chandu_69

Hahaha..sambya is talking about blasphemy, courtesy etc while he has no problem in deriding hindu scriptures.

Phew,I am exhuasted with these evasive responses and dancing around the issue .There is nothing more for me to say.

Btw, i am not that old to advise you but litigation and sentimentality dont appear to help anybody even in your chosen profession.

NO SCRIPTURES?.

Did you mean rk bhashans?.

Then why are you trying to demean others faith. What right do you have.

Nobody has a right to demean other's faith as long as they keep it to themselves.

Do you have any proof christ is a myth, that you keep on saying taht.

You should really learn to read posts before responding.Smiley said in no uncertain terms(HE EVEN MADE A DOUBLE POST) that he is not interested in establishing the existence or non-existence of Jesus.

People like smiley and me have a problem when the CHRISTIANS say christ is the ONLY way to AVOID perpetual punishment in hell.

Naivedya, Food offered to God , has to be not just in the mode of goodness (Satvic) , but in Pure Goodness (shuddha sattva) i.e. transcedental. But, how can we cook material food made up of the 5 elements - earth water fire air ether , and call it transcendental ?

Not. So, we do our best to offer Satvic Food to God, and as soon as He accepts it, it becomes His transcendental Mercy for us - Prasad.

 

 

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About the list of foods you mention -

Its the final outcome , preparation that has to be pleasant for the soul and light on the stomach. Then it means God liked it.

 

Following is what i have learnt from A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad and disciples in the line :

 

Foods like Onions, Garlic , Mushrooms are Rajasic/Tamasic . Onion and Garlic belong to the allium family whereas mushroom grows in the damp dark - darkness = mode of ignorance (tamasic).

 

 

Try cooking without onion (and garlic ! ) for a few days and see the difference.

 

 

Masoor Dal - Rajasic , mode of passion. Personally , whole masoor or red daal also , does not feel very calming when eaten - unlike toor and mung daal.

 

Carrots and Radish - i have no idea , someone said its given in the Manu Smriti right ? Lets ask them about it. It could be some chemicals in them OR the hygene - they come from the soil, have to be peeled right as they can be eaten raw, whereas potatoes and ginger get peeled and cooked.

 

Hing , mustard seeds bring flavor to the food. If they were rajasic we would have been told. Otherwise, the ultimate Yogi will eat boiled veggies, fruits, and nuts.

 

Peppers - if it were just for Krshna and me, i would skip them completely.

 

In Bhagvad Gita Krishna says

 

BG 17.9: Foods that are too bitter, too sour, salty, hot, pungent, dry and burning are dear to those in the mode of passion. Such foods cause distress, misery and disease.

 

So one small pepper will not make the whole dish Rajasic. We have to follow this guideline while preparing the food.

 

BG 17.8: Foods dear to those in the mode of goodness increase the duration of life, purify one's existence and give strength, health, happiness and satisfaction. Such foods are juicy, fatty, wholesome, and pleasing to the heart.

BG 17.10: Food prepared more than three hours before being eaten, food that is tasteless, decomposed and putrid, and food consisting of remnants and untouchable things is dear to those in the mode of darkness.

Nice Post Smaranam :smash:.

That should put the Incessant whiner Sambya to rest.

To Galaxy.Please take note that this forum is infested with whining hindus who take pride about their ignorance in hindu scriptures.

HOw is sambya a new hindu?

Explained in Posts number 63 and 22.

of course it is ............... you raise the neo hindu topic in every post and refuse to talk about traditional hindus .

I raise the characteristics of a typical neo-hindu who dont to Authentic scriptures and choose uneducated and delusional people as their gurus.The Neo-hindus like you have no respect for scriptures but keep on whining about inconsequential things.

ex-

you can criticise a 'neo-hindu' in two circumstances :

1- if you are a non hindu

2- if you are a 'traditional hindu' .

since you do not fall into any of the two catagories( you are not 'traditional hindu since you dont even follow a sampradaya and so called traditional hindus must allign themselves to a sampradya) your criticism becomes baseless and irrelevant !!

A practicing hindu follows scriptures not necessarily sampradayas.

without sampradaya and a guru you are a ordinary religious scholar or speculator !!! learn it from me in case you already didnt know it !!

I am an ordinary Hindu who is disgusted and pained with neohindus who put down their own scriptures and follow uneducated ,credulous looking Gurus.

Still you have not answered the basic point.

Why do you whine so much about iskcon and Hindu scriptures while keeping Mum when other faiths abuse Hinduism? .

just came back once more for replying to you ...

 

well , as is now clear from raghu's thread that a 'traditional hindu' ( as opposed to neo-hindu ) must allign to a 'traditional' school of hindu thought

Ofcourse i to traditional school of hindu thought.Now, that is not relevent to this discussion.

and also must have a guru in proper discuplic succession . bragging about shastras without a disciplic succession is typicall to what you call neo-hinduism !!

I didnt exactly brag about Sastras.There are far more knowledgeable hindus like Ganeshprasad to quote authentic scriptures.

since you dont yet have a guru and go on lecturing others about hinduism you are also very 'neo-hindu' ! at least you do not fall into 'traditional hindu' ...........therefore all your criticisms against neo-hinduism are worthless and equally idiotic !!

The subject(I raised) is about spineless neo-hindus like you who whine endlessly about hinduism like spoilt brats.

It is quite true that that but for Adi Sankara Hinduism would have been reduced to nothing.

But the ungrateful neohindus don't see it that way.

First , Deuteronomy - found this online :

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About Abrahamic religions - my view

 

1] All this about "those others who worship other gods" or "do not abide by Allah's will" etc. is in the context of the geography , history , times and culture of those regions/nations. Here , worshipping other gods could mean yaksha-rakshasaas in raja-tama modes who oppressed people around Egypt, Europe and mid-east. OR , divine beings who are not the Supreme.

It doesnt matter what people like you think.As per the Abrahamic scriptures you are worshpping false god(s).There is no IF and BUT.THAT IS THE VIEW HELD BY THEM.If you have come across any theologist of those religions say otherwise,post it.

( Bhagvad Gita Chap 17 - different kinds of faith. )

 

2] Jesus said "reach God only thru' Me" - that was perhaps meant for the nations in vicinity of Rome who had trade / war relations.

 

Some say the original Hebrew said "only thru' one of God" which was taken to be :

one of God = Jesus of the Christ.

 

Also , "Me" can mean so many things. Certainly not the historical body that walked on earth.

 

However, Jesus himself can bring Krshna to those who consider Krshna as the Supreme Lord, Bhagvad Gita as their prime scripture, but also accept Jesus's teachings and/or have taken his shelter. (Krishna brings saints, devotees ; Saints , devotees bring Krshna).

 

3] The animal sacrifices of Judaism and Islam seem to have a lot to do with the desert location and undeveloped agriculture of those times. Tailormade.

Just a step in spiritual evolution. Relatively better on their conscience than just being raw hunters (which is what the meat industry today boils down to). Today's followers of either religion have advanced agriculture and agricultural products.

 

 

Some take all of this out of context.

 

Obviously, we do not look upon terrorists as representatives of their religion.

 

This is simply my understanding. I do not have anything to back it up,

Jai Sri Krishna

As i said above your understanding hardly counts with those who follow their scriptures.

Btw, FYI the gospel of jesus is written in Greek not in Hebrew.

 

chandu , i must say(from observation) that you have an wonderfull knowledge of islam and other foreign faiths except that of your own !!

Probably true.May be because there are several thousand books in hinduism and i have no way to read them all.

will you please mention who is your guru ?

I dont have any guru.May be Gurus didn't find me worthwhile to spend time on .

exactly...............how does my comments on iskcon bother you ?

It would not have bothered me a bit if you had responded to the real attackers i mentioned above.Your studious silence or serious attacks in hinduism while you go hammer and tongs on iskconites show the malaise of neo-hinduism.

anyways .......im having a feeling that this thread might be closed down any moment now because it has turned into a fight and unproductive .

Now you are talkng sense.But you conveniently forgot that it is you who started this fight by pestering theist and prabhupada.

you might not be aware that in villages it is rule to tie back the calf till the cow is milked lest it drinks up the milk himself !! many times the calf escapes in the morning and drinks up the milk to the dismay of its owners . obviously tis was before the advent of moderb hormonal injections and use of artificial medication to induce milk production ............

Things have changed.The cattle owners to their dismay found out that it is more cost effective for them in the long run to let the calf take it's share of milk.

be specific .......is judaism a barbaric mundane faith ?

How does it bother you?.

As for jewish scripture torah which is the foundation for Old testament, Hindu idolaters like you go to eternal hell.

But your uneducated guru(Hamsa) said all faiths are valid. didn't he?.May be nobody read to him the scriptures(Deuteronomy 13:13-19).

actually i had nothing to comment when some hate mongers came in and posted rubbishes about hinduism . after all isnt it a very common practise in islam and christianity ?

Ofcourse you have nothing to comment.And the silence of neohindus like you is treated as acceptance by the attackers.And the worst part is people like you think that it is nice:mad2: to remain silent.

but i grow sad when i see hindu brothers so intolerant !

Ohh yes, not accepting attacks by these fellows is intolerance.I am disgusted with hindus like you who equate tolerance with timidity.

But at the same time you have no problem to take issues with Iskonites and go on and on.Why this double standards?.

chandu , can you converse without dragging in the same points - islam , muslim and neo hinduism ?! if you can then it would , for the first time show that you have a knowledge of things apart form them !!

I don't shy away to take the bull by the horns if and when it becomes necessary.After all i didnt take an uneducated, confused fellow as my guru.

Thanks to the efforts of Raj Dhawan, britannica people have agreed to revise the article.

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/index.php?print/id:6919,pdf:1

yes ,i'll try to speak more about the positive sides in iskcon . but this entire thing wouldnt have arisen at all if iskcon be a little more diplomatic in showing minimal respect towards other faiths . hope it understands and rectifies .

Hmm, sambya wants iskcon to be diplomatic, and if they don't err ..be diplomatic he will cry hoarse.Not bad , but when he come across abrahamic faiths(particularly islam) attack

hinduism he tucks his tail and vanish.

This is the way pusillanimous neo-hindus act.They are all fire and brimstone in friendly atmospheres, but disappear when a no-holds barred attack is launched by other imperialistic faiths.

can someome tell me why raddish and masur dal is forbidden ?

 

and how does milk which is obtained by depriving the calf of its mothers milk be more sattwick than burned or double cooked rice ?

Cow produces excess milk beyond the requirement's of it's calves.If you deprive the calf of it's milk it will die and there will be no more cattle.It is another matter that when cows and calves are treated badly to get more milk.

What is Ecumenism in the christian context?

Here is What Vatican says:

PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM

DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF

PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM

The search for Christian Unity was one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council.

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the Holy Father noted that "the breadth of the ecumenical movement, the multiplication of dialogue statements, the urgent need that is felt for a greater participation by the whole People of God in this movement, and the consequent necessity of accurate doctrinal information, in view of a proper commitment, all of this requires that up-to-date directives be given without delay".4 It is in this spirit and in the light of these developments that the revision of this Directory has been made. To Whom is the Directory Addressed

4. The Directory is addressed to the Pastors of the Catholic Church, but it also concerns all the faithful, who are called to pray and work for the unity of Christians, under the direction of their Bishops.

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Aim of the Directory

6. The new edition of the Directory is meant to be an instrument at the service of the whole Church and especially of those who are directly engaged in ecumenical activity in the Catholic Church

Dear Chandu_69,

 

Why single out Christianity as the cause that would further divide sub continent India and cause hatred among hindus?

I didn't single out.It is one of the problems India and srilanka faces.

Why not single out also atheists, religious hindu and non-hindu sects. Can you not understand? Ecumenism was re-initiated ( Srila Prahupad even went to Vatican and offered Pope John Paul VI the Srimad Bhagavatam) by God himself to quell violence among hindu and non-hindu fanatics.

To quell violence the Abrahamic religions have to give up their exclusive monopoly on God.That is what i am trying to say.

Besides, it`s not Christians in India converting hindus to christians whom you should worry.

Really?.How do you know ?.

It`s the muslims in Pakistan converting hindus to Islam. Look what Islam did to sub continent India. It was before only one India. Now, she`s only 1/2 of India.

Ofcourse i know what islam did and still trying to do.I wrote several times about it.The bible thumping christians want to establish christian kingdom wherever they can.That includes somewhat clever ones like you who try to frighten nonchristians about "End times" to further their agenda.

In other words, Ecumenism, is here to prevent this ancient nation from becoming 1/4 of India. Until there is none. Can you beat that?

Melvin

"In other words" you are trying to be clever in pushing your agenda by frightening the Hindus about chineses invasion.

Sorry Melvin many people on this forum have understood what you are.Your silly tactics are not going to work.

Better luck next time.

Last week you called yourself an agnostic and now you are declaring what is the nature of the absolute truth. What happened? Struck by lightening maybe?

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May be he was visited by Aliens.

If Communist China invades India what nations would come to help and rescue her?

Communist china is not going to Invade India for the sake of religion.China is dictator ship regime.

Chinese have no zeal to convert the world to atheism unlike the bible thumping Christians who have set a goal of converting Indians to christianity.

That`s why there`s this need to hold a World Congress on Ecumenism. Further divisions and hatred in the Indian society will only worsen if you(Hindus) and the others( Non-Hindus) are not heard in one big forum.

Will the christians agree when they were told to stop peddling their Savior theory?.The hatred christianity creates has basis in it's central tenet that non-christians are going to burn in hell for eternity for refusing to accept christ as saviour.

Communist China and North Korea will only make a laughing stock out of everyone who believes in God.

That should be no concern.Let them laugh to their heart's content.

If Communist China invades India what nations would come to help and rescue her?

No body is going to RESCUE INDIA.Countries will act to preserve their self interest.

At present India has a continuing problem with Islamic terrorists spilling blood for over 2 decades.

When there were treats(sic) that the Philippines, a predominantly Catholic country in the early 70s, would someday become a Communist country. What nation came to rescue and get rid of her Red Chinese and USSR trained Communist Party of the Philippines and the New People`s Army? Why, it was no other than Uncle Sam, the United States of America, a predominatly Protestant(Non-Catholic) country. .....

Uncle sam acts as per American interests .The heads of state talk about Christianity when they feel the need to take their traditional voters on board.

Christians are getting killed on a regular basis in muslim countries like iraq, pakistan etc and America didnt do anything.

Btw, American christians in "bible belt" say the present president is an antichrist.

I reject it as irrelevant - as do billions of other people all over the world.

The Indian subcontinent has not been well served by this myth.

And it has created further divisions and hatred in the indian society.

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I understand everything is possible.

Dhruvji,

Is there any way to find out for sure if a person is indeed suffering from black magic or possessed by Bootha etc.

And when somebody attacks Islam a religion whose God is Allah I defend the latter because I felt Allah is no other than the Child God( Bathala ) whom we worship here in my place.( www.sinulog.ph). I`m not trying to confuse you. This is not a joke. In fact, it`s a confession I had to make.

In that case you should also defend Allah's word i.e. quran.

Allah says in quran that worshiping jesus as "son of god" invites his curse.

Quran 09.030 : The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

37.152 : "Allah has begotten children"? but they are liars!

and then Allah Promises grievous penalty for those(catholics, obviously) who believes in trinity

005.073 : They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers

among them.