chandu_69

mahanila,

Well said.

Do you think killing one life form is just the same as killing another life form ? in ratio 1:1 ?.[because i heard people claim killing an insect is count as one,and killing a chick is count as one, and killing a pig is count as one, etc

No need to go in to mathematics of life.Suffice to say no body has any right to take a life unless he/she is under threat.

>> If it is for sense pleasure, then there are reactions.

killing someone by accident ,no need to account for something ?

Brief and Excellent.

is that all that you can think of -------defeat , winning, arguing, defending , blasphemising ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i wonder , whats going wrong with hare krishna devotees !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

U wonder about yourself, Munafiq sambya.

quote=Ancient Mariner]I like this post. It is like theist says, it is about a change of heart. Being an expert in religous literature and philosophy is no guarantee that the heart has been cleansed of its tyrannical tendencies.

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If the Indian government goes against Pakistan it should be clear that the Indian government itself is part of the conspiracy.

Chopra looks intelligent here.

Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari clearly says, these are terrorists which have to eliminated.

Pakistani presidents said many things.Musharraf said with a straight face that pakistani soldiers were not involved in kargil war even after Many soldiers were caughto in indian soil.And all those heavy armory on kargill hills had no way of appearing without logistic support from pakistani establishment.

Manmohan Singh, India's president says, no, this is an attack originating from Pakistan's government. In other words, like Bush, he uses terrorism to start a war.

Manmohan singh starting a war??

hahahhahahahehehehehhuhuhuhuhu.

She truly is a remarkable person Chandu. These psychiatric definitions fall far short of explaining the manifestations of a saints behaviour.

True, but the psychiatric concepts explain well,disturbed persons eating huge quantities of food.This certainly is not a saintly behavior but a disturbed Psyche.

Lets face it, most of these medical manuals even consider belief in God to be a disorder. One would be best to research hindu rasa sastra to understand.

True, but that cannot be an excuse to attribute saintly behavior or god's consciousness to crazy doings

The western medical model would possibly suggest most of India's great saints as disordered.

Yes, and i have personal experience to agree to that assessment.Most of them are weird people.

Whereas ancient wisdom and culture (including hindu culture) has placed the transcendent consciousness as the pinnacle and most important factor of being. Often teaching a profound unity, rather than simply the base material idea of seperate organisms.

We are indeed distinct beings each carrying their own karma.And, i again say "crazy behaviour" cannot find shelter in the concept of "transcendent consciousness".

There is a fine, but distinct line between delusions and god's consciousness.

Ohh Bija,

You are a good teacher and can remain one if you can keep your emotions under control.

Huge fonts doesn't appear to be a best way to put across a point

Bija,

nice post explaining gita and some hindu thoughts.I happen to notice you

have mentioned anandamayiMa(Referring to sambya). She appears to be a remarkable saintly lady.

I went through her brief bio at http://www.om-guru.com/html/saints/anandamayi.html..

Which reads among other things.

"Anandamayi would shed profuse tears, laugh for hours, and talk at tremendous speed in a Sanskrit-like language. Other unusual actions included rolling in the dust and dancing for long periods whirling like a leaf in the wind. She would also fast for long periods and at other times consume enough food for eight or nine people..

Sounds like involuntary emotional expression disorder (IEED).

The bio also reads

"she once passed a Muslim tomb. She immediately began to recite portions of the Quran, and to perform the Namaj ritual (Muslim prayers)..

Well,bhismashelper was asking info on sanatan dharma is'nt he??

Here's how,

 

1) Knapp - a Hare Krishna - is motivated by ideology than anything else, and as is usual in such cases, his work does not pass the scrutiny of real professionals.

This is not his work.This is an excerpt from P.N. oak's book.

Which professionals scrutinised this subject???

his book about evidence for a gobal vedic culture has been criticized by scholars like Mark Newbrook, etc., for its inferior quality and Knapp's poor grasp of linguistics (connecting a sankrit word astralaya to australia, etc).

Hot air.One should at least read the article heading before jumping in with comments.Once again this is not Knapp's work.

Stay on topic.The reference to mark et al is irrelevent.

2) His work on the Taj is a rehash of Oak's theory.

More hot air.

3) Oak's petiton was quashed by the Supreme court in 2000

Of course the court banned the petition without even examining the evidences he presented and his requests for reopening the sealed rooms

Enough said.

Good.But ,I Look forward to reading Your highly logical and esteemed views.

Here's how,

 

1) Knapp - a Hare Krishna - is motivated by ideology than anything else, and as is usual in such cases, his work does not pass the scrutiny of real professionals.

This is not his work.This is an excerpt from P.N. oak's book.

Which professionals scrutinised this subject???

is book about evidence for a gobal vedic culture has been criticized by scholars like Mark Newbrook, etc., for its inferior quality and Knapp's poor grasp of linguistics (connecting a sankrit word astralaya to australia, etc).

Hot air.One should at least read the article heading before jumping in with comments.Once again this is not Knapp's work.

Stay on topic.The reference to mark et al is irrelevent.

2) His work on the Taj is a rehash of Oak's theory.

More hot air.

3) Oak's petiton was quashed by the Supreme court in 2000

Of course the court banned the petition without even examining the evidences he presented and his requests for reopening the sealed rooms

Enough said.

I Look forward to reading Your highly logical and esteemed views.

Good to know.Does Akshayapatra work along with "food for life" .

A piece of trash - to sum it up.

 

 

How?

I have recently been delving deeper and deeper into Sanatana Dharma, and I have now reached the point where I think I am ready to take the jump and become a Hindu, (though I may have already been one for some time). I was just wondering what is the procedure for doing so? .

You are at a wrong place buddy.

This forum has become a play ground for confused(iskonites excluded) yet attention seeking hindus on one hand and muslims and pentecostals masquerading as hindus on the other hand.In short this place s...s

Pm me, i will guide u to genuine people who had their roots firmly in Sanatana dharma.

But if u want to become an iskonite this is the right place.(not this section, though)

Munafiq sambya is talking about spirituality.LOL.

Idiotic moderator, where are you???

Ravi sekhar wrote

"Rama(arya king not indian king) killed Ravana(indian king).So you are making pray to Rama.Now you can pray to Mughal and Britishers also for killing our own indian kings."

"where is the #@ing moderator."

How such nonsense was allowed to be posted here.

Does this thread needs any reponse..

oh !! but i thought that it was a very personal bias,otherwise why would you drag in speculations relating to my religion and age from a different thread ?

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You Pmd me about your age .

Your bitter and fiery response rubbishing the claims of Sri p.n. oak makes things suspicious and my suspicion was confirmed after your posts which were copy pasted from muslim sites.

As demonstrated earlier in my posts interpretations of the hymns( posted straight from hate sites) was malicious and without any basis and also some hyms doesn't exist at all.

sambya ,

The question remains.Why did u copy rigvedic verses and the commentary(which i proved to be false) from muslim sites.

Why??

I have enough experiences with people like u who practice al-taqiyya.

Bija,

You can download quran 3 translations at http://www.gutenberg.org16955/16955.txt. This is a text file.

For online reference to more translations-http://islamawakened.com/quran/

For Tafsir-Ibn-kathir you have to use a torrent application like utorrent.

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1635173

or

http://www.4shared.com/file/64909358/4837738d/Tafsir_Ibn_Kathir_all_10_volumes.html

This translation presently click here

This commentary is not like sufism etc.

That tafsir site u quoted is not authentic those commentaries are the opinions of those website owners.

There are 3 eminent tafsir writers named

Ibn kathir(http://www.qtafsir.com)

Jalalayn and ibn Abbas(http://www.altafsir.com).Ibn Abbas is a compatriot of Muhammed.

The starting page(for Jalalayn and Ibn abbas) is from (http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=0&tSoraNo=1&tAyahNo=1&tDisplay=no&LanguageID=2)

Now Chandu, am I an adherent to this translation in full submission? No. .

Being adherent to some thing without having complete understanding is bit naive.Please check those authentic tafsirs i quoted(The sites are muslim sources)

Btw: Did u read chapter 8 and 9 of holy quran.

Try to understand who is a polytheist .

Do I accept Mohamed as a shaktyavesa...yes

Muslims wont be taking kindly to your remarks.As per quran it is blasphemous to regard muhammed as an avatar of any kind.

As per islamic theology it is called Shirk

refer to verse 9:30 regarding shirk at http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslations.asp?SoraNo=9&Ayah=30&Language=2&TranslationBook=7&Display=yes

quote"

v.30 : This statement is connected with the preceding verse, which speaks of the erring followers of earlier revelation. The charge of shirk (“the ascribing of divinity [or “divine qualities”] to aught beside God”) is levelled against both the Jews and the Christians

Unquote..

Chandu I have read one third of the Holy Quran and about 1/10th with commentary. Like any scriptures there are various interpretations, some of which are mystical.

Which translation and which commentary(tafsir)

If some scripture or religion is not to our liking, then it is best to leave it.

Likes and dislikes have nothing to do with understanding religions;).

I dont like many things in Hinduism, but that doesn't stop me from exploring.

Dear Bija,

Every spiritual person undergoes confusions and delusions in their life time.That cannot be a basis for anything.

I posted a link for quran and i dont know who deleted it.

pls take a look at <cite>www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran

read the first two chapters and tell me what u learnt.

</cite>Srila Prabhupada i dare to say didnt read in depth the other religions u quoted .

What he says about other religions i will take with a pinch of salt and cross check.

hello chandu !!!

 

i cant uderstand what offended you....

No, U didnt offend me a bit on a personal level.In fact you didnt offend me at all on a personal basis.

that i qouted from vedas ?

beacuse i dared to post here?

Yes, U dared to post verbatim from hindu hate sites.

that i opposed you in you other thread?

Not at all.

that i said that muslims are constructors of tsj mahal?

You are entitled to your opinions but your objections to Sri P.N. Oak without going in to details was telling me something.

i would be really obliged if you directly mention the grudge you have for me.

I dont have any personal grudge against you.As i said above you have

not offended me a bit on a personal basis.

ishall answer by qouting the lines where i 'prooved' it..............

that is very funny.If u wanted to prove those people wrong u would have made ur response ready before posting those verses.

for sake of argument i might accept that rig veda does indicate to incest.

That was your intention is very clear.But i proved above there is no incest involved in those hymns you copy pasted.

surely there can be no contradictions in one single book for it would have been always under scrutiny of one single person (the composer himself or the later persons who copied them).

What BOOk u are referring to????

hey chandu !! just relax . whats wrong with you? . infact all the quotes were used to proove that incest never existed in hindu fold.

Where did u prove??. U simply copy pasted the exact syntax from muslim hate sites and bloggers.Those people were pouring hate on hinduism saying that the said hymns meant incest.

It took me just 2 hours to get those hymns in original and refute the nonsense.

i cant specify the site now as i dont remember which site i went yesterday.

That is funny is it not.If you are a hindu u would have double checked those hymns before posting them.

but as far as i can recall it might have been a muslim site.

More funny.

i just provided those qoutes because sahana was asking for references.but here i must mention that im not someone who have finished studying all four vedas and 18 puranas.im not degrading hinduism

Ofcourse your vedic knowledge is derived from muslim hate sites.

If your intention was not degrading hinduism, you would have studied and double checked the hymns before posting them.

Chandu-

How do you know he pasted his information from Muslim sites? Do you have proof - such as the site link - or are you just spouting off without evidence?

Yeah just google the hymns he(sambya) posted.

U will get exact syntax from muslim sites and muslim bloggers.I would not like to post the links here.Pm me if u have doubts.