Narasingh

You covered it in your post according to your perspective. See, the issue at hand is that there are at least two perspectives. One being nitya baddha needing to attain to a liberated status (I am using liberated, liberally, not intending to get in to moksha and prema). The other being nitya baddha as actually being nitya siddha and needing to uncover this aspect. One says you got it in you, just find it, the other says you got to go get it.

Thank you raghu.

You missed my point, but it is all good. I'll re-establish it here: You seem to have done away with the validity of Sonic Yogi's emphasis on the word "attain". Sonic Yogi is insisting that the word "achieve" indicates that it is something to attain to in just the same way as your insistence are words such as "long, long ago you were with Krsna". Both are taking it literally. For you to specifically target Sonic Yogi's use of the word "attain" as simply a tool to "point to the moon" while not "being the moon itself" (which is what you did) in effect does away with the definition of the word itself.

Throughout history there have been conquests for idealogical dominations. Maharaj Yuddhisthir could be considered the aggressor when he performed the rajasuya yajna. There were many kings and territories which were peacefully existing seperately at the time, but he and his brothers obliged those territories to make a clear stand, you're either with it or not. The problem with warfare nowadays is that it ends up a completely ambiguous endeavor. There is no concrete push to affect one side to surrender to the other. War is simply used as a tool to crush the opponents into the ground and let them build up again, not to oblige the opponents to live by the dominants ideologies.

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LOL. What??? An ambiguous cartoon to do away with language itself. In much the same way as Sonic Yogi is using the word "attain" Theist is using the words, "long, long before". Let us not argue for argument's sake. Good luck to us all.

What a beautiful purport!!!

The "Pain" of Love is considered by many to be the greatest Joy of Life. Prema Bhakti.

That would merging with the Brahman by harnessing the philosophy and sadhana of the Advaitins. Bhagavan is generous because, not only does is there a gift of a portion of manifestation for the Jiva to act out their desires for as long as they like:kick:, but Bhagavan also bestows a clause where the Jiva can leave their own elemental nature and be gifted with the nature similar with Bhagavan's personal nature, that being fulfilled in sat, cid, and ananda.

Acquire a toothpaste called "Squiggle". No joke!!! I had the same problem but I had 100% remission. I wonder if it may be a ph imbalance in the saliva. If you can't get the toothpaste, try using a ph balancing mild cleanser. Most toothpastes have a strong cleanser. Perhaps use plain baking soda. Good Luck!

There is a recurring accusation that Bhagavan would have to be cruel because of the nature of the Jiva. Is Bhagavan cruel to make hydrogen explosive and not helium? When one understands the neutral position we have, i.e. the ability to endeavor for the fulfillment of our desires, the ability to have desires, the inherent nature for fulfillment by acquisition of sat, cid, and ananda, the greatness of what we are simply for what we are (an element of Bhagavana's Self) there can be no possibility of placing the blame on Bhagavana. In Bhagavan there exists the harmonizing of all things; opposites and neutrals. We happen to be an aspect of that harmonizing, whether it be good or bad for us remains to be seen by our attempts.

Leave all and there will be no suffering.

Jaya and Vijaya are liberated souls. For Lila they advented in this realm. They were "cursed" by the 4 Kumaras, who are also liberated souls. Since both these statements are non-falsifiable given our current pramana it would be a matter of perspective. How were you described the Glories of the Eternal Personal Realm of Bhagavan?

Theist, In defining nitya baddha, we must relieve the unconditional from its definition (eternally bound by matter). (This relief is based on the omnipotence of Svayam Bhagavan). When this relief is given to its definition, it makes perfect sense for a perfect soul to assist the imperfect.

Friend, it has been ages since I've been there. I went through Bangalore and there are two things which I can easily remember about my trip. One, it is definitely a rural path to Subramanya, not an easy one. Two, it is by far, one of the most worthwhile treks to undertake. Good luck on your journey. Google Earth may help if India doesn't have map programs.

What seems black and white will become at once colorful and gradient when gifted with the proper filters. One of the wonderful features of Svayam Bhagavan is omnipotent. While we jivas are fractionally potent, Sri Krsna is omnipotent. Your last sentence reduces the omnipotent feature of the Personality of Godhead by not allowing Divine Mercy to take an eternally bound jiva and unbind them. In a sense you have to be on guard for the false dichotomy you've provided. You've given us two classifications of the jiva (tatastha shakti) and then stated that one is destined to be eternally conditioned. We must observe that the Mercy of Sri Krsna is great enough to alter one's composition i.e. from nitya baddha to nitya siddha. This is the variable we are searching for. This saranagati to the Mercy of Sri Krsna while knowing we have no empiric capacity.

Do you feel that it would be prudent to de-construct the establishments of religions and to support those aspects of religions which encourage spirituality and conscious awakenings?

Shri Krishna reveals everything to Arjuna from dharma, jnana, karma, virat, to bhakti. Arjuna's responses toward the war were symptomatic of a compassionate thoughtful person. Shri Krishna recognized this in Arjuna and chose to deliver him from his quandary. Arjuna witnessed the virat form of Shri Krishna and although it was a manifestation of Truth, it brought him to his knees and filled him with dread. He witnessed all sorts of creatures, including his loved ones, being nothing but insignificant, immersed in tumultuous chaos with no true control, being devoured by the Virat in a hurried manner. This aspect of Truth was difficult for Arjuna and he pleaded for Shri Krishna to show him the most fulfilling aspects of Truth. Shri Krishna obliged by showing His personal form.

Don't be serious, be truthful and sincere. Remember this encouraging directive of Saraswati Thakur: matala hari-jana visaya range pujala raga-patha gaurava-bhange "The servants of Hari are engaged in lavish affairs, handling material wealth and engaging all manner of things in the Lord’s service. They worship the path of spontaneous devotion with gaurava-bhange [in a mood of awe and reverence] and to show that the raga-patha is above all [above our heads], they remain as servants, being a little distant and below, praying for that of a servant’s duty, not for that of a confidential nature — not to bring that highest divine love down here, but to hold that upon their heads."

Let us not forget this axiom: vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate SB. 1.2.11

What??? LOL

Makow posts articles with statements like: "The Second World War was a human calamity. Over 55 million people died. Why focus on the Jewish experience? This is the cause of anti Semitism in the first place." What harm is there to focus on the Jewish experience? It was a subset to the whole tragedy of WWII with a unique twist. People (non-combatants) were blatantly slaughtered on the basis of their features, religion or bloodline.How is it the cause of anti-Semitism? Perhaps because people who are tired of hearing of inhumanities grow to resent those who bring them to light. They have become insensitive. There is a reality regarding the Jewish role in Europe which isn't shared by other cultures. Just educate yourself as to how the human psyche can get so twisted as to create and believe the types of propagandas used to incite blind rage against a person whose only apparent fault is to have Jewish blood or features. Don't be a victim!

Yes, this is perfection.

Yes, but perhaps you are side-stepping the issue. Can Krsna create a plant which can offer a certain degree of enlightenment? Can there also be other methods of becoming enlightened to the same degree? I have continued throughout my posting on this thread that Vaishnavas don't have a use for outside stimulation. Others have confirmed that there are shaman rituals of spirituality which don't involve hallucinogenics. I have also said that, while hallucinogens may offer some level of enlightenment, we are still after perfection. The chanting of Hari Nama becomes synonymous with humility. One who is humble sees their surroundings as their Guru, like the Avadhoot and the 24 Gurus in the Bhagavatam. They acknowledge their progressive development and respect the assistants in each stage of existence.

LOL, thanks harshg. I forgot the preference for tomatoes. Angelique, a more chaste rendering of Vincent would be विन्सेन्ट I previously wrote विन्सेन्त Notice the last character. This is a subtle difference for most non-native speakers in which the native speakers differentiate t and d sounds carefully by clear palatal and dental pronunciations. For non-natives (English especially) the t sound is almost invariably a palatally pronounced sound to a native (ie. the tounge is inside the boundary of the teeth). Therefore, harshg kindly brought this to my attention. Tomato (tamatar) is pronounced with a palatal "t" and watermelon (tarabuj) is pronounced with a dental "t". Notice when you (english speaker) say tomato, your toungue is behind your teeth at the "t" sounds. If you were to properly say watermelon in hindi (tarabuj) you would place your toungue on the tips of your upper incisors and proceed. Namaste.