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And Ironically even, I now know why you do your 'Cut & Paste' so vigourously. Come on Bhaktjan, come up with some topic of your own. Just read your own posting above and tell me whether it makes any sense at all? But from what I can sum up, I will try. Person A may have an experience differing from Person B and so on. I cannot think like you nor can you think like others. So, your thought needs no confirmation of others. But when you experience something strange that normal beings are devoid of, you go to a seer to confirm whether what you experienced matches with his. That is where a guru comes into picture. The guru can take you to the pond but not make you drink. You have to do it. But, ironically if one is devoid of a guru like many Avadhoots, we cannot brush them aside just because they are devoid of scriptural anecdotes. That is the place where we show our ignorance to believe that what I experience should be experienced by all and what I believe should be followed by all. A guru can tell you the way but you have to tread the path yourself. A guru can be ignorant also keeping the current trend we are living. The 'Gururbrahma, Guru Vishnu...' is reverence to the lotus feet of the Guru who helps you to win on the Bandhana of Samsara. Lastly, the 'Wise old Indian' is better than the 'Arrogant','Narrow Minded', 'Electicuted' individuals. Is it not?

Nrsinghdevji Maharaj, I do not have a philosophy. Only experience. Many believe in their experience than philosopy and I am one of them maybe more rational. Incidently if experience tallies with advaita or any other philosophy one may want to live with it since it advocates the same as his/her experience. Not only me use the material faculties of mind and intelligence, but all. Even Sri Vedvyasji Maharaj or any of your or my Guru. When you dissolve your mind, you can experience the truth something like saying that your body is like a house to live for your soul. Purnamadah Purnamidam, or 'Ajayamano Bahudaa Vijayate' confirms the 'Tat Tvam Asi'. Yes, infact it can be interpreted in many ways to suit a philosphy but ultimately it should tally with your experience. It should not be like a 'Blind leading the Blind'. Why were there so many Acharyas? Why did many preach in many different ways? It is the truth that they found with their experience. Is it not? In the same way, what harm is there in finding out the truth for yourself and not rely on the past to get confused. Yes, my dear, it is more confusing to go into theories with different perspective. But if you are satisfied, so be it. When you have already decided you are blind, you will be blind for ever. So, open you eyes and start leading the pack. God gave us this material body to realise the truth and intellect to live like a leader and not a follower. Again, the submissiveness to God/Truth/Absolute is excellent, not to a theory or an individual. 1. Did Sri Adi Shankara tell it that he was an incarnation of Lord Shiva? People assumed. 2. Since he wanted somebody to listen to him, Madhva told he is the avatar of Mukhyaprana or Vayu and he is an avatar. If you know the Chiranjeevi Stotram which goes like 'Ashwattamo Balirvyaso Hanumanascha Vibhishanah' clearly says Anjaneya is a Chiranjeevi. He is infact still cited in many parts of Himalayas. In such case, he must be doing Double Acting. Yes, Madhvacharya had immense strength and appetite. 3. In the Valmiki Ramayana, Sri Ram is explained as just an other human being with rare qualities. It was only in the Tulsidas Ramayan, Rama was glorified as the Lord from his birth. Anywhere throughout Ramayan, in any of the Khandas, you will not find Rama act unlike a human being. He was a Godly Human. Anyway dude, no offence meant. I like the way you have phrased out my briefings. I believe that no organisation can give you enlightenment because once a line of thought is institutionalised, there will be no room for any other free thinking bound in words like 'Gurudroha' or offense. You have to follow a systematic way of the institution/school whether you like it or not. It may help one to gain various positions in the institution just like a Chaprasi to a CEO, bound in various internal politics which you can see in places like Mantrayala, the original essence or the way would have been lost long long back.

http://www.tamilnation.org/culture/architecture/srirangam.htm In the link above, you have a top view of the vastness of the Srirangam Temple. It is certainly the biggest of temples in the World.

Justinji, I think you have completely misunderstood Ravindrans point of view. It should have been understood when he quoted the 'Purnamadah Purnamidam' to state that the BODY we are talking about is not the physical but the Soul of any creature may it be a Skunk or a pig or me or that of the Omnipresent is one and the same. It is devoid of Impurity. Impurity ends with the void of attachment of the physical. The pure is eternal. If God has a physical appearance, his infinity will be in question. Where there is Duality, there is no Moksha or Mukti.

Dark Warrior, i think you are taking things too personal and banging up with offensive language. Your scholarliness will not get any recognition if you continue to do so and will injunct Hate in the minds of people reading your posts. Calm yourself down. Do not spoil the fabric of the topic. Please..

These two paragraphs show that you are not Ignorant, you are beyond all Yogis who didnt need books to realise, greater than a Shirdi Sai, greater than Mahavtar Baba, greater than Lahiri Mahasaya, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Ramana Maharishi, Swami Vivekananda. My Pranams to you and your seers. All these were morons or rather half baked. You are a full-fledged, full-baked Vedantin. Pranaams again.

Dear Bhaktjan Jaan, this is supposed to be an Advaita Vedanta Forum, please display your irrelevent "Cut & Paste" abilities in the ISKCON or General Forums if you cannot debate on Advaita Philosophy.

Well, even Churches and Mosques are not closed, Hotels and Business Establishments are also not closed.

What is the meaning and purpose of life? Purpose is for what you did in the past and Meaning is what you experience after serving your purpose. Why is man faced with the predicament to choose between good and evil? It is like filling an empty glass with water. You have the choice to pour howmuch ever you want. The rest is still empty. Why do people die? The Karmas of their past was over. They will be born again if they have Karmas unfinished in the present. Na Karmana, Na Prajaya, Dhanena tyagenaike Amritatvamanashuh (Kaivalya Upanishad). You cannot become one with the supreme with Karmas etc. It is only possible through Vyragya and resurruction. What happens after death? Born again with what you gained from your past Karmas. If you are a Karmaviheena, then you will not be born.

Dear DarkWarrior, it is true that Vaishnavas do not depend on puranas. I am talking about the "Modern Vaishnavas" and not the True Vaishnavas. Anyway, dude, you seem to have a strong knowledge of books. Can you please tell me the meaning of a line in 'Purusha Sukta'(a Vedic Hymn) which may be recited by all of us n number of times. You also said that your debate is based on the Vedas. Ajaayamaano Bahudaa Vijaayate. That is all the point I am trying to make in all my posts and nothing else. Yes, I am a monoist.

I think you are electicuted by Institutionalised thoughts who cannot think on your own. When I already have Krishna with me, I am the most satisfied. The Krishna outside you can vanish but not the Krishna within you. You are already a blessed soul which you havent realised and trying to search outside with stutis and Bhajans. That can only give your mind a temporary nectar. Not make realise your soul. There can NEVER be Moksha where Dvaita exists.

Convertion is done by Chapels, Gorgs and Masjids and not in Temples. First try and convince the GVs that 'God is One'. If you say that, they tell, It is monoist attitude. Try... All the best.

Dear Afun, Mandukyopanishad is the Source as rightly pointed out by Ravindranji. I dont know how the schools experience these states, but I experience it as, Jaagrat - When I am experiencing the world with my 5 Sense Organs(Gnanendriya) and 5 Organs or work(Karmendriya) Swapn - When I am experiencing the world in state of sleep as Dream State. Sushupti- When I am not experiencing anything in state of Deep Sleep and yet when I am awake I know that 'I enjoyed a Good Sleep'. Turiya - The 4th State of Conciousness where the Knower is awake and in a thoughtless state(Mind absent).

So you think Nsringhadev Prabhu mind is LOVE FILLED. Kindly tell me where can you find his love in his post.Hate breeds Hate. Love breeds Love. Simple.

Who found it Muddle? Not even Sri Ramanuja. It was Madhvacharya who found his pleasure in killing Advaita/Visistadvaita eventhough his own teachings couldnt cross the borders of Karnataka(mostly confined to the Kanara region). He couldnt dare to establish a Mutt outside it. Such strong was his philosophy. I think shvu has answered the first part and if you believe that the unseen and the unexperienced stories which is colorfully presented to gratify your mind and senses has more truth than the 'Rajju, Sarpa Nyaya' which has a profound theory made simple, who can stop you from the 'Herd Mentality' of following the shepherd when you think you are the sheep and not the shephard???!!! Dear One, it was Madhvacharya who made his own guru as his disciple. Great gesture. Isnt it??!! All are prone to mistakes show that they are human. Even the great Sri Rama in case of Vali. You like it or not, if there was no Adi Shankara, then you guys would have had nothing to look upto. Hence, he is the Adi Guru and finding mistakes is what the followers of Madhva are doing (not Sri Ramanuja). Who is making Guru Aparadha?? Fool, Advaita doesnt teach that. It is simple. When you can live in your own light, why are you living in the light of others? It means to say that you believe in Srila Prabhupada more than your own experience. You need his confirmation for everything you experience. Nobody here is telling 'Bash the GVs'. If they are invited by GVs by poking like Mayavadis, Another Monoist, Shiva is Bogus, etc, they will be given due respect.

Many Hindus live in Pakistan. Not Indians.

Dear DarkWarrior, as Sri Shankara is considered a Vaishnava Born(not Advaitin by birth), Madhvacharya was a Shaiva Smarta Brahmin(Advaitin by birth) born. He was not a Vaishnava born. He has infact done his earlier schooling on Advaita and in the later years he was called 'Teekacharya' for his commentaries against the Advaita/Visistadvaita philosophy. There was no constructive work on the 'Siddhanta' aspect unlike his predecessors(Sri Shankara and Sri Ramanuja) but his primary duty was to destroy Advaita and Visistadvaita. Jayateertha and Vyasaraja gave their contributions too to this philosophy. This demolition was tagged as Dwaita philosophy which is successfully taught by their schools even today. This philosophy could never cross the borders of Karnataka like Advaita & Visistadvaita. But in the later years, the founder of a World Renown Organisation found Madhvacharya's way more applicable to float his own sect with certain variations in the Mudra Dharana and the use of Gopichandan. All he said was already said by Madhvacharya and there was NOTHING NEW. But the difference was the country he chose to say. Indians believe more in Americans words than their own. It was just the old wine in new bottle. I will also try and explain the base of most Vaishnava belief (the Srimad Bhagavata Purana of today) and its authenticity. There is a feeling that if at all it will be proved that it was not written by Sri Ved Vyasji Maharaj himself, the whole Vaishnava tradition would be shaken. Yes, there is a BIG HOLE in the authenticity of Srimad Bhagavatam. But I must admit it is a GREAT GREAT WORK.

Dear Bija, When the supreme Godhead is within and without you(here YOU has been understood by most of the people as the AhamBhaav or Ahamkaar or EGO where as it is refererred to as your pure self which is within you. Yes, I do really believe. Experiencing is believing. Your narrow thinking and focus on books of an organisation has made you say this. Speak on your own experiences. I have tried to explain Maaya. Read is as "Bija" and not as "Bija affiliated to XYZ organisation". The more rational you are, the more you are craving for truth. If you are satisfied, so be it. Cheers.

Dear Bija, To sell anything, you say that your product is always Superior to the rest. Same here. Or else, the organisation wouldnt have grown so big. Do you need so many books if your base is strong, so many quotations, personal attacks on the past. It all started from Madhvacharya where he found immense pleasure in the 'Khandana Vaada' that his predecessors like Sri Shankara or Sri Ramanuja who had a Siddhanta 'Mandanaa Vaada' unlike something to say 'I am the best. No one better than me' and talks of Surrender of EGO to Krishna.

Dear Pankaja Dasa, Yes. It is simple. If God had a form it cannot be unbound and infinite. Only a finite entity can have a form. The earlier posts also said Mayavadis believe in Krishna as the Conciouness and not the Sharira. Yes, even Rama had to leave his Sharira and so had Krishna. They demonstrated to the world what is Nitya and Anitya, what is Satya and Mithya. Conciousness is pure(Nityam & Satyam), unbound and infinite (Anant-Apaar) and rest is everchanging (ie., Maaya). Is it hard to explain?

Dear Bart, I may be interfering in your discussion with Ravindranji but since it is a free forum, i thought of giving it a try too. The point Ravindran is trying to make cannot be understood with this example. It means, you are alone, you have to create a computer first. Then a program next. Then you have to create the users. Then give a direction for the users to use your program on your computer. So, everything that evolved, is from that pure conciousness. If everything is conciousness, then where is duality? Correct me Bart or Ravindran if something is missing. From Bart's point of view, the knob can be turned the frequency changes because only HE knows everything. Why? Coz its all HIS creation.

Fanaticim and Belief are to different things. The former is the result of Indoctrination and the latter is of Experience. All are below the perspective of the Ultimate. The 'Urdhvamoolam, Adah Shaakam' tells that God is ONE. Division is below. It is high time we relate ourselves with the Moolam rather getting lost in the Shaakam.

If that was the point, Laya is not possible in Sattva and Rajas. It is only in the form of Tamas that Laya is possible like a Sinusoidal wave. It has a beginning (Brahma Tattva), a peak (Vishnu Tattva) and an End (Laya or the Shiva Tattva). If colors derives the principle then the basic interpretation of Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh itself would be questionable. Will it not be?

Mahadev, I dont have to prove my provess. Experience needs no proof. I am asking you to just experience yourself. If you are satisfied with what you are experiencing, I have no issues. It is for the benifit of people who are craving for more. NA ALPE SUKHAMASTI. Dear Jaan, I do not come from or represent any school of taught like you do. I do not tag myself as a Shivaite or a Vaishnava, I do not get caught in the web of Millions of books written by people. You can infact visualise time when you are with the ultimate. You can see the past, present and future. But..alas, you are here to show your Cut & Paste abilities rather than think on your own. There will be a day, i am sure you will come back to yourself. For your info, I too was like you till I realised myself. Question yourself who knows himself better.

Maharaj, Good that you too have a passage to prove the direction of your intellect. The point is simple. You look outside you for answers. I look inside of me. You are confused, I am convinced. Have your own way. Sorry, i do not possess such high intellect as you and i am convinced that I am better off without it.Cheers. Keep Smiling:)