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Amen!

Amen!

Taught non violence, why would he try to kill a goat in front of Kali?

Taught non violence, why would he try to kill a goat in front of Kali?

Does it work?!? Haribol!

Thanks Madava... for bringing bliss to this wretched creature. ------------------------- THE BACKGROUND FOR THE LORD’S APPEARANCE Now we will discuss the truth about the transcendental birthplace of Bhagavan and the appearance of Lord Sri Krishna. Once upon a time, Bhumi, the predominating deity of the earth, felt overburdened by different demons posing as members of the royal order. Feeling aggrieved upon seeing her miserable condition, the lotus-born Brahma appealed to Ksirodakasayi Visnu, the maintainer of the universe, saying, "Please deliver Goddess Bhumi who is feeling greatly distressed by these demoniac kings. Only You can remove this terrible influence from the earth." The time for an appearance of the Lord coincided with two internal desires of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. First the Lord desired to descend on earth to increase the fortune of Yasoda and Nanda. Also at that time Krishna wanted to relish the sweet mellow of srngara rasa (paramour love) while enacting His worldly pastimes. For these two reasons the Lord appeared within the material creation on Bhuloka, (earth planet), along with His parents, friends, and other eternal associates. Another distinction of Lord Krishna’s earthly pastimes is that when the eternally liberated gopis such as Srimati Radharani, Candravali, and others appeared, the Srutis personified also appeared in the homes of other gopis, because they had previously cultivated the desire to serve Sri Krishna as Vraja gopis. The Dandakaranya sages, upon seeing the svakiya bhava (the sweet conjugal relationship) of Lord Ramacandra and Sitadevi, desired to have the same relationship with their Lord Madana Gopala. Upon attaining perfection in their sadhana they achieved the fortunate position of appearing as gopis in Vrindavana. Yogamaya, Lord Krishna’s pastime potency who possesses unlimited abilities, appeared invisibly in Gokula to arrange this, and perform other difficult tasks on behalf of the Lord. Sri Nanda, Yasoda, and others appeared in Brhadvana (Mahavana) before the Lord. The gopas, gopis, and other eternally liberated associates appeared after the Lord. Then those who had attained perfection by sadhana, namely the sruti-cans and muni-caris, took birth in Vrindavana. THE ATMOSPHERE DURING THE LORD’S APPEARANCE Learning of Krishna’s imminent appearance, the earth personified, feeling like a wife happily greeting her husband after a long separation, immersed in unlimited joy. At the time of Krishna’s birth the general mass of people tasted the inner bliss that devotees forever relish. Auspicious signs. abounded everywhere. As Visnu’s conchshell Pancajanya opens in a clockwise fashion, similarly, auspicious sacrificial fires glowed in all directions. Pure gentle breezes brought a refreshing coolness like devotees who satisfy and sanctify everyone with their calm, sweet, and affectionate behavior. The whole atmosphere became as completely purified as the heart of a devotee. The devotees once again found peace and prosperity in worshiping the lotus feet of Lord Hari. Fruits filled the jubilant trees. But the envious demons exhibited various inauspicious signs of degradation such as rapidly aging bodies and symptoms of imminent death. The desire vines of the celestial denizens seemed to be hanging in the air as if eager to produce fruits. At that time all the directions became felt as pure and joyful as the mind of a devotee who has received the mercy of Lord Hari. Just as gems, mantras, or medicines can a remove a poisonous disease from the body of a man, the advent of the Lord relieved the world from the contamination of material existence and the sinful effect of the demons. Happiness gradually replaced the distress in everyone’s hearts. The bodies of all creatures manifested extraordinary beauty and youthful vitality. Men felt extremely joyful and displayed virtuous qualities. Throughout the world people behaved cordially and interacted amicably. Happiness twinkled in everyone’s eye. At the end of Dvapara-yuga, which completely destroys faults and doubts, an auspicious, favorable, obstacle-free time appeared on the eighth day of the waning moon in Bhadra month. Just at that sweet moment the Rohini Naksatra, along with the good qualities of the moon and an auspicious conjunction of stars called Ayusman, appeared in the sky to give shelter to gentle persons. As the living entity comes out from the womb of his mother and the moon appears on the lap of the eastern direction, Yogesvara Sri Krishna, the personification of complete bliss, appeared amidst great festivities. As the moon appears in the lap of the eastern direction, which is like a beautiful bride, Krishna manifested the wonderful pastime of His appearance out of His love and compassion for the conditioned souls. IN MATHURA Due to austerities performed in previous lives, Vasudeva and Devaki received the opportunity to momentarily relish parental affection for Lord Sri Krishna when He appeared before them in His form as Vasudeva. Thereafter in fear of Kamsa, Vasudeva brought Vasudeva Krishna to Gokula. There the Supreme Lord appeared as Govinda before Nanda and Yasoda, His eternal parents who have been smothering Him with the sweetest form of parental love since time immemorial. The four symbols of Visnu (sankha, cakra, gada, padma) adorned His hands and feet. The flute, flower garland, and kaustubha mani, although present within Him, had not yet manifested. In fear of cruel Kamsa, Vasudeva decided to transfer all his wives except Devaki to Gokula. He sent Rohini to the house of Vrajaraja Nanda. By the sweet will of the Lord, Yogamaya arranged for the seventh child of Devaki (Balarama) to enter the womb of Rohini. As a result, Balarama appeared in the home of Vrajaraja Nanda before the birth of Krishna. IN VRAJA Lord Hari, who is bliss personified, appeared in the home of Nanda Maharaja, the king of Vrindavana for three reasons: to engage the self satisfied sages in devotional service, to please the devotees by performing sweet transcendental pastimes, and to relieve the earth’s burden caused by the demons. At the time of His majestic birth Krishna employed His inconceivable powers to appear in a body of eternity, bliss and knowledge. Everyone in the maternity room swelled with joy upon seeing the Lord’s exquisite transcendental form that looked like a creeper of beauty. Mother Yasoda resembled a lake of spiritual ecstasy in which a brilliant blue lotus of personified bliss had appeared. Neither the wind nor the bees relished the fragrance of that blue lotus. That unborn lotus was never touched by the waves of the modes of nature. Even Lord Brahma could not see it, what to speak of ordinary men. After Yasoda and her family members fell asleep in the maternity room, Hari cried beautifully like a newborn baby. His crying sounded like the maha-vakya omkara announcing the auspicious arrival of His pastimes. Omkara is a transcendental vibration that had previously emanated from the mouth of Lord Brahma. When the ladies of Vrindavana heard the sweet sound of Krishna’s crying, they woke up and ran to see the Lord. With the mellow of their matchless overflowing affection they anointed His body. The natural fragrance of Krishna’s body smelled just like musk. After the ladies bathed Krishna in sweet ambrosia, He looked cleansed and beautiful. Then they smeared His body with fragrant sandalwood pulp. The presiding deity of the house sent a campaka flower resembling the flame of a lamp into the maternity room to worship that ornament of the three worlds. With the strength of His little arms, delicate as the tender leaves of a tree, Krishna made all the lamps in the maternity room look like a garland of lotus flower buds. The ladies of Vrindavana saw baby Krishna like a blossoming flower made of the best of blue sapphires, or like a newly unfurled leaf of a tamala tree. Krishna looked like a fresh rain cloud decorated with the musk tilaka of the goddess of fortune of the three worlds. The ointment of the greatest auspiciousness lined His eyes. His presence filled the maternity room with good fortune. Although a mere baby, Krishna had a head full of curly hair. To hide the unique signs on His hands (goad, fish, conch etc.) the Lord folded His delicate petal-like fingers into His lotus palm. At that time Krishna laid on His back with His eyes closed. Mother Yasoda awoke amidst the joyous chattering of the elderly gopis. Leaning over the bed she admired her gorgeous son. But upon noticing her own reflection on Krishna’s body, she imagined it another woman. Thinking that a witch had assumed her form to kidnap Krishna, Yasoda became bewildered and yelled, "Get out of here! You go away!" Spontaneously she cried out to Nrsimhadeva to protect her precious son. Beholding Krishna’s tender face, Yasoda showered tears of affection that looked like an offering of a pearl necklace. DESCRIPTION OF LITTLE KRISHNA Yasoda saw Krishna’s body as a mound of dark blue musk, softer than the butter churned from the milk ocean. Overflowing with nectar, His charming body appeared like the foam of milk, but being dark blue in color it seemed the foam was full of musk juice. Admiring the supremely delicate form of her son, Yasoda worried about His safety and feared the touch of her body might hurt his tender body. As she leaned over the bed Yasoda bathed Krishna with the milk dripping from her breasts. The elderly gopis instructed Yasoda how to caress the baby in her lap, and affectionately push the nipple of her breast into Krishna’s mouth to feed Him. Due to Yasoda’s intense love, personified bliss flowed from her breasts as steady streams of milk. When milk sometimes spilled out of Krishna’s bimba fruit red lips onto His cheeks, Mother Yasoda would wipe His face with the edge of her cloth. After feeding her son, Yasoda gazed affectionately at Him in wonder. She saw her child’s body as made of dazzling blue sapphires. His mouth resembled a red bimba fruit and His hands and feet looked like exquisite rubies. Krishna’s nails shone like precious gems. In this way, Yasoda thought her child was completely made of jewels. Then she perceived that His naturally reddish lips looked like bandhuka flowers, His hands and feet resembled java flowers, His nails looked like mallika flowers. Yasoda then thought, "Krishna’s whole body seems to be made of blue lotus flowers. He does not appear to be mine." After thus deliberating within herself Yasoda became stunned in amazement. The beautiful, soft curly hairs on the right side of Krishna’s chest resembled the tender stems of a lotus. Seeing the mark of Srivatsa on His chest, Yasoda thought it was breast milk that had previously spilled out of His mouth. She tried unsuccessfully to remove these `milk stains’ with the edge of her cloth. Struck with wonder, Yasoda thought this must be the sign of a great personality. Observing the sign of Laksmi (a small golden line) on the left side of Krishna’s chest, Yasoda thought a small yellow bird had made a nest amidst the leaves of a tamala tree. Could this be a streak of lightning resting on a rain cloud, or could it be the golden streaks marking a black gold-testing stone? Krishna’s delicate, leaf-like hands and feet, glowing pink like the rising sun, looked like clusters of lotus flowers floating in the Yamuna. Sometimes Yasoda saw the curly, dark blue locks of baby Krishna as a swarm of bumblebees surrounding His face. Intoxicated from drinking too much honey nectar, the bees just hovered in the sky. His thick, beautiful blue hair appeared like the dark night. The two lotus eyes of Krishna looked like a pair of blue lotus buds. His cheeks resembled two huge bubbles floating in a lake of liquefied blue sapphires. Krishna’s attractive ears looked like a pair of fresh unfurled leaves growing on a blue creeper. The tip of Krishna’s dark nose appeared like the sprout of a tree, and His nostrils looked like bubbles in the Yamuna River, the daughter of the sun god. His lips resembled a pair of red java flower buds. Krishna’s chin rivaled a pair of ripe, red jambu fruits. Seeing the extraordinary beauty of her son fulfilled the purpose of her eyes and submerged Yasoda in an ocean of bliss. THE JOY OF NANDA MAHARAJA The elderly Vrajavasi ladies addressed Vrajaraja Nanda, "O most fortunate one, you fathered a son!" Previously Nanda Maharaja had felt deeply aggrieved over his long-standing inability to obtain a son. His heart was like a small lake that had completely dried up during a long hot summer. But when Nanda Maharaja heard of his son’s birth he felt as if the dry lake of his heart had been blessed with a sudden downpour of nectar. The gentle sound of Krishna’s voice removed all his grief and lamentation. Now he bathed in the rains of bliss, swam in the ocean of nectar, and felt embraced by the joyful stream of the celestial Ganges. Eager to see his son, Nanda’s body thrilled with astonishment and waves of ecstasy as he stood outside the maternity room. Because he had accumulated heaps of pious activities, it appeared that the King of Vrindavana was now shaking hands with the personification of pious deeds. Anxiously standing in the background, Yogamaya induced Nanda Maharaja to enter the maternity room. He rushed in to see his son, the personified seed of condensed bliss. It seemed that all the auspiciousness of the three worlds now resided within Krishna, the original cause of everything. Nanda saw his son as a perfectly charming person. The kajala around Krishna’s eyes looked like lines on a black creeper of beauty. As the very embodiment of Nanda’s good fortune, Sri Krishna bloomed like a beautiful flower in a garden of desire trees. The aparajita flower is compared to the body of the Queen of Vrindavana. Her son is like the representative of the Upanisads that are compared to the fruit of the desire creepers. By seeing his glorious son Nanda felt that he had attained happiness, perfection, and the fulfillment of all his desires. Meeting that embodiment of bliss overwhelmed Nanda with immeasurable satisfaction. He stood motionless, stunned; his hair stood erect and tears flowed from his eyes. He appeared like a person carved in stone or a figure drawn in a painting. For some time Nanda Maharaja remained in this semi-conscious state like a sleeping man about to awaken. THE FESTIVAL IN VRAJA Upananda, Sunanda, and other relatives felt extremely joyful while observing the best of brahmanas perform the rites of purification for Krishna’s birth. To insure his son’s welfare Nanda Maharaja donated newborn calves to each and every brahmana, thus turning their homes into abodes of surabhi cows. These cows had gold and silver plated horns and hooves, and jeweled necklaces adorning their necks. In addition, Vrajapati Nanda filled the courtyards of their homes with hills of gold, jewels, and sesame seeds. While Nanda distributed charity, the kamadhenus, touch-stones, and desire-trees lost their power to produce valuable items. Even the jewel-producing oceans lost their stock of jewels, and the goddess of fortune, the abode of lotuses, had but one lotus in her hand. The auspicious news of Krishna’s wonderful appearance spread in all directions by word of mouth. Delight danced in the hearts of Nanda, his brothers Upananda and Sunanda, and all the other gopas. The gopas brought many varieties of delicious dairy products such as milk, yogurt, butter, wet cheese, and hard cheese in jewel-studded pots. The pots were tied to the ends of bamboo poles with jute straps and carried on their shoulders. Bedecked with many precious jeweled ornaments, the gopas appeared very handsome. They dressed in beautiful yellow cloth defeating the brilliance of lightning, and held staffs topped with gold and jewels in their lotus hands. As a great ocean spreads its waves in all directions, the birth of Krishna filled the Vrajavasis with unbounded bliss. The gopas and gopas enjoyed a grand festival by happily eating and by splashing each other’s bodies with a mixture of yogurt, butter, milk, and condensed milk. The society girls visiting Nanda Maharaja’s house experienced more happiness than they had ever felt since their birth. Their minds saturated with joy and satisfaction. Hearing the delightful description of Krishna’s birth carried away the chariots of their minds and made them abandon all other duties. They became possessed with the desire to see Krishna. Sparkling rubies hung from the necklaces adorning the society girls. Their diamond-studded armlets shown more beautifully than drops of crystal clear water. Their jewel inlaid golden bangles boasted unparalleled elegance. For this unique festival they took out some highly ornamental waist-belts from their jewel boxes and tied them around their hips. The sweet jingling of the waist-bells resting on their broad hips enhanced the beauty of these society girls. They attracted the minds of everyone with their bulky golden anklets, loosened hair braids, and graceful gait, which resembled the smooth gliding of swans. Their minds entered a state of enchantment as they gazed upon the captivating beauty of Krishna’s transcendental body. To worship Krishna they brought golden trays full of auspicious articles such as fruits, flowers, yogurt, durva grass, uncooked rice, and jewel bedecked lamps. They covered the offering plates with splendid yellow silk cloth and held them in their soft lotus hands. Their jeweled ankle-bells vibrated pleasantly as they walked. Beholding the astounding beauty of the delicate baby, the society girls considered the purpose of their eyes fulfilled. They perceived Krishna’s perfect birth to be like the appearance of the leaves of an important herbal medicine. Krishna resembled a blue lotus floating in the lake of His parent’s affection. After bestowing their blessings for Krishna’s prosperity, they worshiped Krishna with fresh flowers and a constant shower of loving glances. With great enthusiasm the society girls glorified Vrajesvari Yasoda since she had attained the essence of all good fortune by having Krishna as her son. Leaving the maternity room, the society girls entered the assembly hall of Nanda Maharaja’s palace. Their faces looked exceedingly beautiful as they sung melodious songs, which resembled the soft sweet humming of bees moving amidst a cluster of lotus flowers. All the guests bathed in a nectar shower produced by these soothing sounds. Overwhelmed with love, they filled their lotus palms with fragrant oil, turmeric paste, and fresh butter and started smearing each other’s faces and bodies. They looked very attractive with their smiling faces and glittering white teeth. Their red lips seemed more beautiful than red bandhuka flowers. This incredible display of elegance smashed the pride of the goddess of fortune of the three worlds. Carried away with joy over Krishna’s birth, they fearlessly threw cheese balls, butter, and yogurt at each other. One could mistake the white balls of cheese for hailstones, solidified moonlight, or white mud from the floor of the milk ocean. Then they showered each other with buttermilk, aromatic oils, and water mixed with turmeric. Cymbals, damru drums, bherries, and big drums vibrated auspicious sounds in specific melodies. A celestial concert of precise poetical meters, proper rhythms, and metrical compositions suddenly manifested there. The musical ensemble inspired the society girls to sing and dance in mirth and merriment. Though not good singers, by the will of the Lord they sang with great virtuoso. Their wonderful songs filled Nanda Maharaja’s heart with joy. The combined vibrations of brahmanas’ chanting Vedic hymns, the recitation of Puranic lore, and the panegyrists’ prayers transformed the ethers into sabda brahman. The joy of Krishna’s birth celebration taxed the drains of Nanda’s capital city as they swelled to the brim with milk, yogurt, and other auspicious liquids. Soon rivers of this nectar flooded the streets of the town and permeated the entire atmosphere with a sweet fragrance. Disguising themselves as birds, the demigods descended to Vrajapura to happily drink the flood of nectar. The Vrajavasis decorated their cows with gold and jeweled ornaments. Then in great excitement they smeared them with oil, fresh butter, and turmeric paste. Beholding Krishna in their hearts, these fortunate cows looked like the essence of the earth’s suspiciousness. The whole world resounded with their jubilant bellowing. Absorbed in the ecstasy of Krishna’s birth, they forgot about eating and drinking. The festival drowned the gopis in an ocean of joy. After offering oil, vermilion, garlands, and utensils in charity to all the assembled gopis, Rohini, the wife of Vasudeva, asked them to bless Krishna. Upon completion of the sacrifice, Upananda and the other relatives felt constant happiness while taking their baths. Keeping the King of Vrindavana in the front, Nanda’s relatives offered opulent cloth, jeweled ornaments, tambula, garlands, and sandalwood pulp to the guests. Then they humbly requested all in attendance to bless that wonderfully auspicious boy who had just appeared in Vrindavana. Thus ends the second chapter of Ananda Vrindavana Campu describing the Lord's appearance

I have met him many times and now know he practices large scale fraud, though he is an extremely clever charlatan with many psychic powers. So be wary, stay on guard, with everything having to do with Sai B. --------------------------- Nothing can happen to you if you chant and be with krishna. No fake psychic guy with crazy powers can defeat the almighty. Hiranyaskapu tried to do the same thing and he failed miserably.

* There is no sin in eating meat, in (drinking) spirituous liquor, and in carnal intercourse, for that is the natural way of created beings, but abstention brings great rewards. --------------------------- Yes this is true, if you eat meat, then you follow the same karmic slavery like every other being. And not eating meat is declaring that you do not wish to be in this material world and you wish to rise above to reach the supreme. It does have great benefits. I did hear that this is true, because I went to India, and there we went to a really old temple of Lord Narasimha that was located on a mountain. I saw live chickens being carried to the temple by my extended family. Then after the trip I asked, they said that it was for Narasimha because he is a lion. He is given chickens as offering and it is then given to the population near by which was poor people living in shacks. Anyway, I guess they are wrong and may be it is a way for them to give into temptation.

* There is no sin in eating meat, in (drinking) spirituous liquor, and in carnal intercourse, for that is the natural way of created beings, but abstention brings great rewards. --------------------------- Yes this is true, if you eat meat, then you follow the same karmic slavery like every other being. And not eating meat is declaring that you do not wish to be in this material world and you wish to rise above to reach the supreme. It does have great benefits. I did hear that this is true, because I went to India, and there we went to a really old temple of Lord Narasimha that was located on a mountain. I saw live chickens being carried to the temple by my extended family. Then after the trip I asked, they said that it was for Narasimha because he is a lion. He is given chickens as offering and it is then given to the population near by which was poor people living in shacks. Anyway, I guess they are wrong and may be it is a way for them to give into temptation.

Oops... didn't notice that , may be I should have double checked. There is only one "9" on the "E" in that name, not two!. here is the correct one , look at the attachment porfavor... You see, the "E"(the first letter) is pronounced "HA" if you stick a one next to it , it becomes "HAAA" if you don't stick a one next to it, but stick a crossed "9" on top it becomes "HEY" If you stick two 9s on top of the "E", then it is pronounced "HAAI" So to get "HEY" we stick only one 9 on top of the E Then we write the next letter which looks like two upside down Us attached to the bottom of the # 1 when pronounced by itself , it is called "LA" . If you stick a number 9 on top of it it becomes "LEY". So now we have HEY LEY And then we need a "NA" but by itself we wouldn't see the NA stressed, we would just see "nnn" which really does not make sense. So we stick a "1one" next to it to make it "NAA" So now we have, HEY LEY NAA In devanagari, if the whole thing is one word, we connect them to show that they are one word... So we draw a huge line on top of them (just below the 9s and above the letters) And it becomes "HELENA" /images/graemlins/smile.gif So, this is a little lesson in devanagari for people who do not know it.

How do you post the attachment right in your post with out attaching it? --------------------

Fate is nothing more than past self effort. You have both, past self effort and present self effort. The more powerful self effort from the both wins and that gives the outcome for the individual. Some times the self effort of one entity is more powerful than the self effort of the other, thus leaving the weak to suffer and giving the person with the stronger self effort all the good results. For example, if a farmer sows a field and plants grow , then he sells them and makes a living. The result was that he sowed the field, planted the seeds and his work paid off. But lets take a look at this scenario again... What if he sows the field but because of locusts his whole field is destroyed. So, we can say, because the present self effort of the locusts is much greater than the past self effort of the farmer... the locusts win and the farmer is left with nothing. So, we can conclude by this that there is no divine will. There is no fate, there is no destiny and all such notions are entertained in the mind of the individual on account of delusion. But the fact that there is no divine will is only limited to the beings in the cycle of karma. If you surrender to the almighty, then this is not true. And all of the above can be excluded.

did you paint that? that is really cool. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

did you paint that? that is really cool. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-------------------------- Barbie Doll By Marge Piercy This girlchild was born as usual and presented dolls that did pee-pee and miniature GE stoves and irons and wee lipsticks the color of cherry candy. Then in the magic of puberty, a classmate said: You have a great big nose and fat legs. She was healthy, tested intelligent, possessed strong arms and back, abundant sexual drive and manual dexterity. She went to and fro apologizing. Everyone saw a fat nose on thick legs. She was advised to play coy, exhorted to come on hearty, exercise, diet, smile and wheedle. Her good nature wore out like a fan belt. So she cut off her nose and her legs and offered them up. In the casket displayed on satin she lay with the undertaker's cosmetics painted on, a turned-up putty nose, dressed in a pink and white nightie. Doesn't she look pretty? everyone said. Consummation at last. To every woman a happy ending -------------------------- A perfect example of the society today in my view. More sexually inclined and very pushy.

I found the answer my self... Krishna says it himself, all we need to do is a quick search in bhagavath gita... thats why I edited my post. In bhagavath gita, krishna himself says, you offer me anything, I will accept it. krishna is like the fire, we get close to him, but for him every one is equal. You can stay in cold and still offer to krishna the tamasic things, like meat and flesh . Or please him and offer him pure things... the choice is I guess , up to us. I heard that they do that in South India... please confirm it, but it doesn't bother me anymore, because no matter what it is, if it is spiritualized it is pure.

I found the answer my self... Krishna says it himself, all we need to do is a quick search in bhagavath gita... thats why I edited my post. In bhagavath gita, krishna himself says, you offer me anything, I will accept it. krishna is like the fire, we get close to him, but for him every one is equal. You can stay in cold and still offer to krishna the tamasic things, like meat and flesh . Or please him and offer him pure things... the choice is I guess , up to us. I heard that they do that in South India... please confirm it, but it doesn't bother me anymore, because no matter what it is, if it is spiritualized it is pure.

"karmanye va dhikaaraste maa phaleshu kadaachana" It says "you do the job and leave your your fruits of action to Me." If you don't do that , you are run by fate, because fruits whether they are good or bad, you will have to accept them. if you leave the fruits to him and you just do the job, then you will be self situated and peaceful.

Which christ are we looking for please In my view, there is a christ who is enlightened shows unconditional love and affection toward others. If you are talking about him being in the vedas... then I have to say, that the vedanta is composed of his teachings alone. If we look closely, the every word speaks of what christ spoke of.

offense is something their religion is really good on trying to get... If an offense was a prize for a lottery then we would see all the participants are muslims /images/graemlins/smile.gif . If you come to this thread to know - "Is it true?" then ofcourse it is true. I have a small example to give you. I know the former executive editor of a newspaper in the language of telugu... he told me a story. His paper is very famous and it is called Eenadu. Once the paper tried to post a cartoon, mocking N.T. Rama Rao (the current chief minister in India) at that time. The mocking was to express the people's opinion that he is trying to become a religious leader as well. So, the cartoon had Rama with the face of N.T. RamaRao, Krishna with his face again and then Buddha, then christ as N.T. RamaRao, then Muhammed ( as a bearded guy) with the face of N.T. RamaRao. It was a small offense, they didn't know that in Muslim religion they shouldn't depict Muhammed as a man but as a symbol. However, the painting of Muhammed as a bearded guy was a great offense for them, so they burned a whole regional office of Eenadu news paper. They burned it completely, and beat up every single one of those employees working there. Why? = because they painted their Muhammed as a bearded guy as a mistake in a newspaper. Oh yeah! this is a peaceful religion alright... Vo to hum ko pagal kehte hai, vo to bhahut ache hai na, poor ignorant souls.

its not just one way, it goes both ways... I don't reveal my spirituality before my friends because of that. I have some friends who talk about spirituality, the society has the same affect on them too. Consider them ignorant. They think that we are spiritual because we want to be special or we want to do it because of some superstitious beliefs... but in reality, we become spiritual by nature because of curiosity, because we want to know who we are, what we are. We are pure spirit souls who are under the control of the supreme. Whatever I do, or you do ... whatever any one does, happens due to the karma established by the supreme or the supreme will. We are trying to find that higher self in us, that better person... we are trying to find bliss and happiness and satisfaction. I think it is better to not pay attention to them and focus on the matters that really matter... like finding out who you really are, or where you are from ?

I log in but when I post it comes as guest sometimes... sorry about that... I am the poster above

I heard it from my father's family when I visited India... and also found the references... that condemn meat eating ... never mind... but this post was to see if they do the same thing some where else... Thanks!!!

I heard it from my father's family when I visited India... and also found the references... that condemn meat eating ... never mind... but this post was to see if they do the same thing some where else... Thanks!!!

but the worship of Radha and krishna is viewed differently in their tradition.