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""But Vishaka just did it?" They said "No, she used a kartal to touch him with." Ahhh so THAT'S the trick! Initially I could not see a practial way to apply this rule" /images/graemlins/smile.gif this is hilarious! sort of black comedy , but I just can't stop laughing.

""But Vishaka just did it?" They said "No, she used a kartal to touch him with." Ahhh so THAT'S the trick! Initially I could not see a practial way to apply this rule" /images/graemlins/smile.gif this is hilarious! sort of black comedy , but I just can't stop laughing.

"By bodily contact with a woman he will surely be captured by illusion, just as the elephant is captured by the she-elephant due to his desire to touch her body." I don't get it! If a person from the same sex can touch another in a friendly way(unlustful way) why can't opposite sex people be free around each other with out caring for what body is what? May be I am too liberal in this issue, but in my thinking trying to be too body conscious can really keep us in the bodily platform and not take us to the higher self. Even though this is a very revolutionary question, please note that my intentions are not to go against our philosophies, but to understand them better. "In fact, he should not even let his foot touch a wooden doll " Sorry to be rude theistji, but I think we are trying to get out of illusion and not go into more delusion. The point is , if we don't realize that the wood is just wood and the body is just nothing but muscles and bones put together in an arranged manner how the heck do we get out of this maya?

"By bodily contact with a woman he will surely be captured by illusion, just as the elephant is captured by the she-elephant due to his desire to touch her body." I don't get it! If a person from the same sex can touch another in a friendly way(unlustful way) why can't opposite sex people be free around each other with out caring for what body is what? May be I am too liberal in this issue, but in my thinking trying to be too body conscious can really keep us in the bodily platform and not take us to the higher self. Even though this is a very revolutionary question, please note that my intentions are not to go against our philosophies, but to understand them better. "In fact, he should not even let his foot touch a wooden doll " Sorry to be rude theistji, but I think we are trying to get out of illusion and not go into more delusion. The point is , if we don't realize that the wood is just wood and the body is just nothing but muscles and bones put together in an arranged manner how the heck do we get out of this maya?

From our ignorance we bring up issues like this... the truth is we have to be less body conscious and more soul conscious... "Men" and "Women" touch each other all the time. When we rise above all this alone will we find true freedom.. Sorry to be harsh... however, this is how I feel.

From our ignorance we bring up issues like this... the truth is we have to be less body conscious and more soul conscious... "Men" and "Women" touch each other all the time. When we rise above all this alone will we find true freedom.. Sorry to be harsh... however, this is how I feel.

By the books that we read, I perceived them to be enlightened entities. I do have a question, how can truth change by Time and circumstance as it has been said. Doesn't Krishna himself say " Truth is one" in bhagavath gita... I will try to find the verse. He does say that he is the truth and every one in the end must reach him , if that is the case, then why do we see so much difference in the teachings of Sri Krishna Chaitanya and Adi Shankaracharya? If they are all telling the truth, why is it that the truth in them is so different that people quarrel over them. I think that it is the ignorance in us which does not see the oneness in all philosphies.. unless some one here proves that one philosophy is absolute and the others are just results of various types of delusion.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said anything about this issue... thank you for forgiving me in advance.

In my view, they don't have to be a Krishna Conscious people to be consoled. In this difficult time, it is best for you to say that they have reached God and in his own special way has received them. If I don't help... please don't mind..

We have a desire of sex for love, but in reality love does not exist in a biological reaction, it exists in devotion to krishna. The lust of this world is not love, the true love is realy what krishna gives us.

Yashodananda was my bro! oh yea! but I died as a young puppy, damn it!.

Wasn't shankara enlightened and weren't Goswamis enlightened and weren't buddha and Jesus enlightened? then why are their teachings different?

There is no evidence that you love your father... only your word. So too meerabai has no evidence of meeting Jiva Goswami except her word. We have no evidence that she did really love krishna and she was the greatest devotee... but her poems say it. To see the devotion my dear friend, you would need devotion and an idea of devotion in yourself. Never again make such an unthoughtful statement as "Meera bai greatest devotee? Sounds more like regional sentimentalism " You can, write poems greater than meerabai's then I will accept that you are ALSO a great devotee. Let me ask you this my friend, What sort of merit do you hold so that you can comment on meerabai and her love for krishna.

There is no evidence that you love your father... only your word. So too meerabai has no evidence of meeting Jiva Goswami except her word. We have no evidence that she did really love krishna and she was the greatest devotee... but her poems say it. To see the devotion my dear friend, you would need devotion and an idea of devotion in yourself. Never again make such an unthoughtful statement as "Meera bai greatest devotee? Sounds more like regional sentimentalism " You can, write poems greater than meerabai's then I will accept that you are ALSO a great devotee. Let me ask you this my friend, What sort of merit do you hold so that you can comment on meerabai and her love for krishna.

I feel bad for you. So, I will answer this one question which I did earlier... You say , " what happens when the world ends" I say : Which world? what world and in what universe? In other words, what I am trying to tell you is, there is not just this solar system , but many in this universe and there are many universes in the creation of Krishna (you may call him Allah) . In these universes there are multiple life forms in which living entites can get into. So, if one universe disollutes... another still stays. You will not understand this truth so easily but I will explain to you with an open mind. You see, in your true nature, you are not the body but a living entity. A living entity is invulnerable and a part of allah. The point is you are this living entity.. you cannot get hurt. You as a living entity have defied allah and came to this earth to please yourself. You thought "Why should I serve allah I will serve myself" and basically have abandoned allah. but after coming here, we have pain, suffering and our existence in this world is hard. We cannot enjoy what we wish to enjoy and we cannot leave pain because this world gives us great pain. So, we go back to allah and say we are sorry. Thats the point of Hare krishna consciousness. The point is to revive your true love for God and go back to him.. then he will take care of you and you will serve him and be happy. /images/graemlins/grin.gif all over again. To understand this philosophy better, think of yourself wearing a black veil in the daylight. You were wearing the black veil so long that you forget that there was ever day light and struggle to live in darkness as if you are blind . But once you know that there is daylight, you will destroy the veil that stops you from seeing it and live your life happily there after. The point of the vedic philosophy is to remove the black veil of ignorance that does not let you see the daylight which is God. So, when we understand the vedas and follow the path of bhakthi, we see the light which is the light of krishna or Allah. Our whole point is to LOVE ALLAH. It is not to enjoy this world but to say " Hey Allah, I hate trying to do something which I am unable to do, so I come to you and I serve you and you make me happy" Love krishna and be happy. But how do you love krishna? - Do everything for him, think about him and remember him. THen, in your conscience you will remember him! because you were with him in your past history. The best way to tell krishna that you want him and his happiness alone is to chant the maha mantra "Hare krishna Hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare , Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama , Hare Hare." Krishna himself is the embodiment of pleasure and happiness. So, open your mind and your heart, then you will see him laughing at you. People try to enjoy this world but fail miserably, they work hard for minimum enjoyment. You pray allah because you want a car or a bike...something else.. but those are just material needs... the point is your desires for materials never end and Allah will give them to you if you want him to give them to you, but they won't satisfy you completely. Why? - because you are actually trying to find him. You desire a car- you are not desiring a car but allah... you desire wealth- comfort , you are desiring allah... Allah is everything my friend, he is not some phantom who created this universe and gave you a book to read about it. if he did that , that would be just so sad.

Dear friend, This statement of yours troubles my heart, people here are not idiots conversing over world topics... They are very educated and wise, they have Doctorates, phds and other degrees in many subjects including political science... Even though some people are idiots like me- who is only a teen but anyway... may be you should "chill it" in your words.

Guest : "Why, you ask It´s because you don´t seem to care about the rest of the world." Dude, where were you when America was in Persian Gulf war? Where were you when American Peace Corps were established? America helped somalia, Isreal, Afghanistan... and so many more. America tried to prevent Islamic Fundamentalism from taking over Iran by helping the Iranian Shah. America provides millions of people all over the world with Jobs - The businesses such as Colgate, At&t and verizon take away jobs from Americans and give it to people all over the world. Hating such a country as this is not a wise thing to do. I am not saying that America is the best and Americans are all saints, but America is far better than other countries. All countries from all over the world have some ridiculous things in their history. Germans - holocaust, Spain- Spanish Inquisition... britain-Woah don't even go there... America is far better when compared to these countries. Many people all over the world depend on America. It is the only nation that gave huge amounts of money to countries that suffer in heavy poverty. Americans pay their taxes and their country spends it on building Afghanisthan. The Americans have freedom with Bill of Rights, so we can say whatever we want! I can say "Bush is gay" and no body will take me to jail for it. In communism, you are controlled so that your free will is destroyed. You find inner harmony in the community but harmony is also bad when taken to an extreme. I am not saying sweden sucks... Swedish people have an excellent administration and the swedish are very clever in keeping peace and harmony and maintaining order in the nation. Anyway, the point is , all nations are both good and bad, America is far better off from most of the nations of the world...

Lmao watch out for cheeky children in heaven man! /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

--------------------------- Just as a piece of rope is imagined to be a snake in the darkness so is Atman (soul) determined to be the body by an ignorant person. Neither by yoga, nor philosophy, nor by work, nor by learning but by the realization of one’s identity with Brahman is liberation possible, and by no other means. A father has his sons and others to free him from his debts; but he has none but himself to remove his bondage. ---------------------------

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Ok, I agree with you. So, let me ask you this : Why come here? if it is the fastest growing religion, whats the point in you coming here? We don't want to convert. We hate many Islamic principals. If your answer is : I still want to try to convert people here. ----------------- Then ok that makes sense, you just want to give it a try, but why be so rude then? When people answer your questions you call them dumb, you are clearly an idiot. There should be like a school for you converters ... and there should be lessons on how to convert people. The first lesson would be on how to read and comprehend what you are reading.

Abdullah here claims that Muhammed is Kalki. I would like to ask abdullah to then chant : HARE KALKI HARE KALKI, KALKI KALKI HARE HARE. Dear Friend Abdullah, if you deny the validity of this above verse, then it is clear that even you don't approve of Muhammed being kalki. However, if you do chant this, then you are a hindu /images/graemlins/smile.gif and I am a muslim .

Abdullah here claims that Muhammed is Kalki. I would like to ask abdullah to then chant : HARE KALKI HARE KALKI, KALKI KALKI HARE HARE. Dear Friend Abdullah, if you deny the validity of this above verse, then it is clear that even you don't approve of Muhammed being kalki. However, if you do chant this, then you are a hindu /images/graemlins/smile.gif and I am a muslim .

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You can't know how he tests you, its impossible. Me writing this post now could be a test... you may never know.