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hello brothers & sisters.. I took guru diksha on 6th aug 1998.Since then i have been interested in accomplishing apsara sadhanas in particular and all the soundarya sadhanas in general.And i have accomplished two apsara sadhanas, their names i wouldn't like to disclose. The most interesting thing is that whenever i think of doing apsara sadhana, i completely loose to the thoughts of that particular apsara, thinking that she is always with me and wacthing me. So whatever i do i remember her. Due to so much indulgence in her thoughts it is impossiple for that divine beauty to ignore my silent calls and my silent love. so....even before i start with the ritual,i usually get alot of presadhana experiences like, whenever i am alone and remembering her a strange and unmentioned perfume would fill the place and sometimes she would come in dreams, but the most remarkable thing is that she walks past me though invisible,'cos i can hear the tinkles of her anklets. i have a six year experience in apsara sadhanas, and i can shatter all myths that i somtimes come across when going through this group regarding sadhanas of apsaras, yakshinis and kinnaris. it is my suggestion that every man and woman should accomplish apsara sadhanas and yakshini sadhanas before starting with any other sadhana. you all should remember that this special sadhana is very important, even important than brahm sadhana. after all how can a person appreciate the beauty of god at a initial stage without witnessing and apreciating the beauty in its ultimate form that is found only in an apsara. so brother without a second thought accopmlish this sadhana at all cost.interested folks can mail me personally also i would like to know their experiences , who are accomplished in these sadhanas. jai sadgurudev

Please read within the Nishklanand Kavya the Purshottam Prakaash Prakaar 37:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Chopai: Ek bahu bahu Parkare re, vale Jeev tarya ah vare re<o:p></o:p> Bahu Hari kari Parmarth re, tarya jeev vavri samarthya re<o:p></o:p> Varto vichaar karyo che vale re, avu avu ghanu kem chale re<o:p></o:p> Mota mota karavya Mandir re, tema rakhya sant sudhir re<o:p></o:p> Pan teh toh sant che joh tyagi re, vasi kem sakshe vitragi re<o:p></o:p> Mamat vina Mandir kem rehshe re, vaat bandh eh kem bes she re<o:p></o:p> Jeh tyagi che triya dhan tanare, deh suchthi nirashi ghanare<o:p></o:p> Tene nahi jarvaay jagya re, nathi vaat eh banva lagya re<o:p></o:p> Mate ena karu ek dhani re, toh rakhe khabar eni ghani re<o:p></o:p> Pachi sarvar desh thi sambandhi re, tene teravi jaygha didhire<o:p></o:p> Sthapya dat putra pote sthir re, avadhprasadne raghuvir re<o:p></o:p> Tene ape karya acharyaj re, karva bahu jivna kaarajre<o:p></o:p> Apya vechimandir ne desh re, jema koi ne na thay kalesh re<o:p></o:p> Sadhu Satsangi na guru kidha re, desh uttar dakshin vechi didha re<o:p></o:p> Kahe sau sahune desh rejo re, saro sahune updesh dejo re<o:p></o:p> Tamne manshe pujshe jeh re, mota sukh ne pamshe the re<o:p></o:p> Ann dhan apshe anbar re, pashu vahan ne vari ghar re<o:p></o:p> Fal full dal jal deshere, te toh akhand dham ne leshe re<o:p></o:p> Eh adi jeh apshe vastra re, eva ghar dhaari jeh gruhast re<o:p></o:p> Vari padhravshe potane gher re, karshe seva vari sari pere re<o:p></o:p> Vari karshe sanmaan enu re, mare karvu che kalyaan tenu reh<o:p></o:p> Em acharya thi kalyaan re, thashe sahu jivnu sujaan re<o:p></o:p> Mano moksh no chelo upaay re, eh upraant nathi kahy re<o:p></o:p> Murti acharaj dharmpaal re, reshe kalyan te bahu kaar re<o:p></o:p> Jeh jeh ene koi asharshe re, teh toh jaroor bhavjar tarshe re<o:p></o:p> Karshe darshan gunn leshe re, vari pachya pramane koi deshe re<o:p></o:p> Shraddha sahit seva kare soi re, vari raaji thashe ene joi re<o:p></o:p> Eva jann jeh jeh jagh mahi re, teni karvi mare sahaay re<o:p></o:p> Mari iccha che hamh evi re, param prapti sahu devi re<o:p></o:p> Mate moksh nu motu dvaar re, ame ughadiyu che ahh vaar re<o:p></o:p> Acharya thi bahu udharshe re, jano brahmnagar vaas karshe re<o:p></o:p> Em shri mukhe kahyu Shrijire, jan sau satya mani lijiye re<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Bhagwan this time round emancipated many souls.With his great powers he showed much of his divinity. God thought, how can what He has established exist for the maximum time? God decided that He has constructed big temples and got saints to reside therein. But these saints are renunciates how will they live with so much control. How can temples exist without the saints thinking them as their own? These saints cannot have money or women and even not attached to their own body. They should not and cannot control such places, so I shall establish those who can control all this. So God called His relatives from sarvar desh and gave them places to stay. He consecrated Ayodhyaprasad and Raghuvir as His sons. He then initiated them as Acharyas so that they could help those in seek of salvation. He divided the land and the mandirs unto them so no one would have problems. He made them the gurus of ALL sadhus and satsangis and divided the land into southern and northern divisions. He stated for them to live in their respective regions and preach the goodness of others to them. Whoever listens to the word of the Acharyas and performs their veneration will attain much happiness. Whoever donates them grain, money, animals, transport, fruit, flowers and water they will attain my eternal abode. Whichever householders gives all this and anything else such as clothes as well as calls them unto their home, venerates them, provides service to them and respects them, I, will give them moksh. In this way the Acharyas will give Moksh to the souls. You should all believe that this is the final way to attain liberation. There is no other way after this fourth way to attain moksh. I shall live in the Acharyas forever. Whoever takes refuge unto them will definitely cross this material world. Whoever has their darshan and takes their good attributes, talks good of them, serves them with love and gets happy unto seeing them shall I will look after them forever. I want all to attain such liberation of the first kind, such is my will. Hence this is a great big door for attaining moksh, which I have opened this time round. Many will be liberated through these Acharyas and live in my Akshardham. This is what Shriji Maharaj Himself stated. Hence all should believe such firmly.

You fail to answer alot of my post. or provide no comments for the references fro mactual scriptures that i post. The other members who read such can see this too.

Jai Swaminarayan,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> First of all which question have I not answered please restate as I clearly feel that I have answered every single one of your points. I Clearly stated that the Satsangi Jivan in the 4th Prakran clearly states that that Acharya should give Bhagvati Diskha to the new tyagi. I states this earlier. You need to read my post carefully.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The Acharyas today have not failed. Please could you name the acharyas that have failed and please state which way they have failed. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> If the Acharya does not follow his dharma then he is excommunicated. I’ve stated that before and I state it again for your sake. Even we all believe this much as Shriji Maharaj has stated so in the Satsangi Jivan and Desh Vibhaag lekh. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> You think there is no Acharya? Well why not? That’s a foolish thing to say as Shriji Maharaj Himself has stated that the Acharya, true Saint, Scriptures and His Murtis which have been installed by Him or invoked by the Dharmvanshi Acharya will remain till the moon and sun shine-‘Yaavat Surya chandra divakale’. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So you are wrong once again. To state that you do not believe in the existence of the Acharyas is wrong. This even Gunatitanand swami states is wrong to do. Like I quoted from Swamis vato above. Also what faults do you find with Amdavad Acharya Kaushalendraprasad or Vadtal Acharya Rakeshprasadji Maharaj? They have not yet done one thing which is devoid of their Acharya dharmas. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> If you think Nishkulanand swami was correct then why not follow him? You also do not follow Nishkulanand Swamis words as stated earlier this means that you do not care for his word in the Nishkulanand Kavya. You just accept that BAPS saints are clearly shown in the Sikshapatri Bhashya and other scriptures as not following the ways of the Swaminarayan Tyagis rules. First of all you fail against the 4th Prakran of the Satsangi jivan, which states that the Acharya should give diksha to the one who requires to be a Sadhu. Their will never be a case where one has to leave the Satsang at all. Also the Vachnamrut is the Yog Shastra of the Sampraday. The Dharm shastras is the Satsangi Jivan. The Vachnamrut also does not state the four types of Mukts. You need to read the Purshottam Prakash. Maybe they don have it in BAPS because they do not agree with it. So I cant blame you. It clearly shows that the Acharyas give Moksh. This is the fourth way to get moksh. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> By the way I wasn’t comparing ISLAM and BAPS. Please do re read my post carefully. My point was not how great Islam is or how people follow it. My point was that just because so many people follow it does not mean that it is the right way. As you state that many are following BAPS so God must be with it. HAHA. If this was the case then the Swaminarayan Sampraday established by Bhagwan Swaminarayan (*note not BAPS) has over 5.5 million followers and is growing still. BAPS have a little more than 1.7 million. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Another thing I wanted to add was that in Gunatitanand swamis Vato, swami in Vaat 171 states that “the avatars of God previously have never established a tradition of female enunciates and look today there are thousands of female renunciates and today and in the future will give moksh to many”. So where are these female renunciates in BAPS? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

Hello to all of you, First I'm very sorry that I didn't reply earlier becoz I forgot the link of this forum. But from now on all of you can reply at this email address or at the forum. First there are thousands of vashikaran mantra's which is really working. Second you have to believe in it otherwise you will not succeed Third you have to sit and meditate where the Sun rises. Fourth you have to meditate on a red blanket (kambal) Fifth use a Rudrach mala for the Djapa All of you can use the Gayatri mantra and put this beech mantra on it. Aum bhur bhuva swah "Aum shreem hreem kleem" tat sah wi tur we rinyam bhargo devasya dhi mahi dhi yo yona prachodayat. You have to take a red or pink candle and and take oil and balsem the candle from the middle to above after that from the middle to beneath. After that kerve your wish into the candle with a paper clip for example You still have to love me ( name of your parnter) for ever after that you have to light the red or pink candle before you and start chanting the gayatri mantra do this for 3 weeks burning every day a candle on the name of your partner. You have to start at a full moon( purnima) or new moon (amawasya) you can place also a photo of your partner before you and concentrate on her/him This is tested one, I know many of this mantra's and solutions but you have to believe on it. When you meditate on your partner focus between her eye for example that a blue light is going from your for head chakra into her/his fore head chakra and that the blue light is taking control of him/her and the light is surrounding him/her and brings him/her to you. Do this and you will succeed with the name of the great mother Gayatri. If you not could do this I will tell all of you a another method with a egg and 2 red or flower plants. But let me know if you can do this or not. Greetings Master Yoda

hi. ive seen mataji possessing people many many times, and i have full faith in them. its truly a miracle. im a strong devotee of mataji but i kind of want to find out from you what this feels like? i know this is the wrong kind of question to ask but how does possession work? is it that you get possessed because of your strong faith in maa or what? Jai Ambe

What a load of rubbish! The silly old man who made up the theory of the 'big bang' must have been on drugs. I wonder if he has heard of god. How can anyone think that. It's like saying god threw a couple of nukes into space and denotonated them. What a laugh. It's a theory just used for buisness and fame.

parachidambara naTaM hR^idi bhaja anantanavaratnavilasatkaTakakiN^kiNijhalaM jhalajhalaM jhalaravaM mukundavidhi hastagatamaddala layadhvanidhimiddhimita nartana padam.h | shakuntaratha barhiratha nandimukha shR^iN^giriTibhR^iN^gigaNasaN^ghanikaTam.h sanandasanaka pramukha vandita padaM parachidambara naTaM hR^idi bhaja || ananta navaratna vilasat kaTaka kiN^kiNi - Numerous navaratna gems flashing bracelet with tiny bells jhalaM jhala-jhalaM jhala ravaM - (produce) Jiggling Sounds (jhalaM jhalajhalaM jhala…) nartana padam.h - Dancing feet (is in accordance with) laya-dhvani dhimid-dhimita - dhimi dhimi sounds from the drums Mukunda-vidhi hasta-gata-maddala - in the hands of Vishnu and Brahma. Shakunta-ratha – Eagle vehicle (Vishnu) barhi-ratha – Peacock vehicle (Skanda) shR^iN^gi-riTi-bhR^iN^gi - ShR^ingi, Riti, Sage bR^ingi gaNa-saN^gha- (and other) troops of devotees nandi-mukha - headed by Nandi nikaTam.h – (are) in proximity sananda-sanaka pramukha- prominente Sanandana & Sanaka (Sages) vandita padaM – Praise his feet. para - chidambara naTaM – Such a Great Chidambara Dancer hR^idi bhaja – (let our) heart reverence. --- --------- Let our heart resort to the great dancer in Chidambaram, - Who's flashing navaratna bells hanging in his bracelet emit sweet jingling sounds when he swings his left arm pointing towards the kunjita pAdam. - Who's feet dance in accordance to the dhimi dhimi sounds emitted from the drums in the hands of Vishnu and Brahma. - Who is surrounded by celestials like garuDavahana (Vishnu), shikhivAhana (Skanda) and troops of devotees comprising Srngi, Riti, Bhrngi and others headed by Nandi. - Who's feet are saluted by prominent sages like Sanandana and Sanaka. --- --------- In the grand hall of Chidambaram, Nataraja the king of dance dances with his upper right hand holding the drum and the upper left hand holding agni signifying creation and destruction. The flashing navaratna bells hanging in his lower left arm bracelet emit sweet jingling sounds and vocally reassure the fearlessness granted by the abhaya-hastam. Goddess Saraswati captures the seven swaras emanating from his face (sadyojAtadi pancha vaktraja sa ri ga ma pa da ni) in her vINA and sings along. Goddess lakshmi sings in tArasthAyi and plays her kanjira as well. Narada and Tumburu sing in mandarasthAyi and play their vINA as well. Lord Vishnu with his four hands plays the three-faced Pushkara drum and Lord Brahma keeps time (kAlapramANa) with karatALa and cymbals. Lord Indra plays the flute, nAga-s headed by Kambala, Ashvatara and Devadatta sing along. Ravana plays the mandara sthAyai in his vINA and bAna plays his maddala in accordance. Ganesha and Shanmukha dance on either side accompanied by their mUshika and mayUra. Celestial musicians, dancers, sages and other deities who have come to watch this splendor were all awe- struck. Let our heart resort to this divine dance visual. ...parachidambara naTaM hR^idi bhaja .. Aravind

Om Namassivaaya Namaste friends, Swamiji's Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa is shown below: Birthdata: 18th July 1935, 19:00 (IST), 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00" Vimsottari Dasa - Tribhagi variation (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Mars: 1933-07-29 (18:46:51) - 1935-11-29 (8:45:43) Rah: 1935-11-29 (8:45:43) - 1941-11-28 (21:43:07) Jup: 1941-11-28 (21:43:07) - 1947-03-27 (20:58:34) Sat: 1947-03-27 (20:58:34) - 1953-07-29 (21:42:17) Merc: 1953-07-29 (21:42:17) - 1959-03-27 (22:57:31) Ket: 1959-03-27 (22:57:31) - 1961-07-29 (22:52:18) Ven: 1961-07-29 (22:52:18) - 1968-03-27 (6:18:12) Sun: 1968-03-27 (6:18:12) - 1970-03-27 (18:42:37) Moon: 1970-03-27 (18:42:37) - 1973-07-30 (0:42:09) Mars: 1973-07-30 (0:42:09) - 1975-11-29 (15:00:12) Rah: 1975-11-29 (15:00:12) - 1981-11-29 (3:49:46) Jup: 1981-11-29 (3:49:46) - 1987-03-28 (3:12:11) Sat: 1987-03-28 (3:12:11) - 1993-07-30 (3:40:33) Merc: 1993-07-30 (3:40:33) - 1999-03-28 (5:07:12) Ket: 1999-03-28 (5:07:12) - 2001-07-30 (4:49:15) Ven: 2001-07-30 (4:49:15) - 2008-03-27 (12:24:53) <<<< Sun: 2008-03-27 (12:24:53) - 2010-03-28 (0:48:37) Moon: 2010-03-28 (0:48:37) - 2013-07-30 (6:47:52) Mars: 2013-07-30 (6:47:52) - 2015-11-29 (21:09:05) Rah: 2015-11-29 (21:09:05) - 2021-11-29 (10:09:21) Jup: 2021-11-29 (10:09:21) - 2027-03-28 (9:25:47) Sat: 2027-03-28 (9:25:47) - 2033-07-30 (9:36:14) Merc: 2033-07-30 (9:36:14) - 2039-03-28 (11:16:50) Ket: 2039-03-28 (11:16:50) - 2041-07-30 (10:51:44) Ven: 2041-07-30 (10:51:44) - 2048-03-27 (18:39:14) Sun: 2048-03-27 (18:39:14) - 2050-03-28 (6:59:28) Moon: 2050-03-28 (6:59:28) - 2053-07-30 (12:43:47) While Vimsottari dasa covers 120 deg of zodiac, Tribhagi variation covers the entire 360 deg. It is most useful to see when various planets, upagrahas and sahamas give their results. You basically divide Vimsottari dasa into 3 cycles of 40 years each, to get Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa. Each dasa corresponds to a star and you cover all the 27 stars (i.e. 360 deg). The first Venus dasa during 1961-1968 corresponds to Bharani star. The second Venus dasa running during 2001-2008 corresponds to Poorva Phalguni star (13Le20-26Le40). Of the 6 years and 8 months of this Venus dasa (one-third of 20 years), about 3 years 3.5 months are over. So 49.4% of the dasa is over. In terms of the longitude range of the star, this corresponds to 13Le20+6 deg 35 min = 19Le55. Please notice that the natal bandhana sahama is at 19Le14 (and there may be a little bit of error)!!! You can see that Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa works nicely in conjunction with sahamas. I illustrated the same thing earlier once in another context. In fact, this technique works in Tithi Pravesha charts too, in addition to the natal chart. For example, his 2004 annual Tithi Pravesha chart is cast on 3rd August 2004 at 9:03:55 am (IST). In this chart, bandhana sahama is around 8 deg in Gemini, i.e. at the beginning of Ardra nakshatra. Moon is in Satabhishak. If you find Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa (compressed to the year), you will get: Vimsottari Dasa - Tribhagi variation (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Rah: 2004-07-17 (17:01:25) - 2004-08-03 (15:32:52) Jup: 2004-08-03 (15:32:52) - 2004-08-20 (7:58:33) Sat: 2004-08-20 (7:58:33) - 2004-09-07 (10:00:35) Merc: 2004-09-07 (10:00:35) - 2004-09-24 (3:48:25) Ket: 2004-09-24 (3:48:25) - 2004-09-30 (18:09:36) Ven: 2004-09-30 (18:09:36) - 2004-10-20 (16:39:55) Sun: 2004-10-20 (16:39:55) - 2004-10-26 (8:24:39) Moon: 2004-10-26 (8:24:39) - 2004-11-06 (0:28:43) Mars: 2004-11-06 (0:28:43) - 2004-11-12 (20:03:26) Rah: 2004-11-12 (20:03:26) - 2004-11-30 (8:33:13) <<< Jup: 2004-11-30 (8:33:13) - 2004-12-15 (16:52:14) Sat: 2004-12-15 (16:52:14) - 2005-01-04 (11:25:21) Merc: 2005-01-04 (11:25:21) - 2005-01-20 (3:56:34) Ket: 2005-01-20 (3:56:34) - 2005-01-27 (20:33:11) Ven: 2005-01-27 (20:33:11) - 2005-02-15 (17:13:33) Sun: 2005-02-15 (17:13:33) - 2005-02-22 (6:38:12) Moon: 2005-02-22 (6:38:12) - 2005-03-04 (10:19:40) Mars: 2005-03-04 (10:19:40) - 2005-03-10 (14:46:39) Rah: 2005-03-10 (14:46:39) - 2005-03-29 (1:41:32) Jup: 2005-03-29 (1:41:32) - 2005-04-13 (1:30:51) Sat: 2005-04-13 (1:30:51) - 2005-05-01 (22:54:39) Merc: 2005-05-01 (22:54:39) - 2005-05-19 (6:36:54) Ket: 2005-05-19 (6:36:54) - 2005-05-25 (20:17:55) Ven: 2005-05-25 (20:17:55) - 2005-06-14 (18:08:36) Sun: 2005-06-14 (18:08:36) - 2005-06-20 (16:02:27) Moon: 2005-06-20 (16:02:27) - 2005-06-29 (11:30:09) Mars: 2005-06-29 (11:30:09) - 2005-07-06 (17:40:11) Bandhana sahama of the annual TP chart is at the beginning of Ardra. The first Rahu dasa at the beginning of the year is of satabhishak. The second Rahu dasa during Nov 12-Nov 30 is that of Ardra. The result of bandhana sahama is given at the beginning of Ardra's Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa!!!! Isn't it cool that Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa used in conjunction with bandhana sahama results in a perfect timing in both natal and annual TP charts?! I think it is!! When we use the techniques as they are supposed to be used, Jyotish is like a precision science. But we often end up using techniques in our own way. We should strive to find out the correct meaning and use of each technique. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha PS: Swamiji ran Saturn-Rahu antardasa as per lagna Vimsottari dasa until recently. Unfortunately, Saturn and Rahu have a papa kartari on lagna. While Chandra Vimsottari dasa shows the attitude and reaction of the mind, lagna Vimsottari dasa shows the actions and application of intelligence. Intelligent astrologers can judge this for themselves.

Evidence? In original Sanskrit, chapter and verse please. Ditto So anyone who disagrees with you is a stupid ignorant fanatic? Well. I see no evidence that Shiva, Durga, Kartikeya, Ganesha, etc are "all forms of Narayana." Have you any shAstric evidence to support this conclusion? I doubt it. None of the Vaishnava vedAntins worship these anya-devatas as forms of nArAyaNa. No surprise there, since no such concept that these are "all forms of Narayana" is found in shruti. Viveka (discrimination) is a virtue. One should know what is worthy of worship and what is not, and what one can worship for what purpose and so on. If one should not discriminate, then what worship becomes too outrageous? Is Pedophile Sai Baba of Puttaparthi another form of nArAyaNa? What about Osama Bin Laden? What if I worship Gandhi as another form of nArAyaNa? Is it ok? If not, does this make you a stupid, ignorant fanatic?

Sree Krishna Himself prayed to Lord Ganesha to remove the obstacles in marrying Satyabhama. Sree Rama invariably prayed to Lord Ganesha all the time before He started the war with Ravana. All Indian Vaishnavities (Except stupid ignorant fanatics) pray and pay respects to all important forms of Lord like Shiva-Durga, Karthikeya-Valli-Devayani, Ganesha and all forms of Narayana... NO Discrimination as its like disrespecting Sreeman Narayana Himself. Raghavan

Sorry Abhishek but you have derived an incorrect meaning. For SWAMINARAYAN to mean SWAMI+NARAYAN as in two nouns it is wrong for sanskrit grammar. SWAMI acts as an adjective to the noun NARAYAN so that NARAYAN (as in God) the SWAMI (master/lord) of all. It is not two distinct entities, for if it were then the name would be SWAMINARAYANAU Your theory is therefore flawed and incorrect. Kind Regards, Harivansh Pandit

> Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit > Has anyone seen Lord Narayana? > Dear friends I am becoming more and more devoted to > Lord Narayana. You are indeed very fortunate. My salutations to you. > I want to know if anyone has seen the > supreme lord? I am sure your delightful question will elicit a large number of equally delightful answers from the learned and scholarly members of this group. adiyen would like to share what little I know with my very limited knowledge. Yes, countless trillions of nitya and muktha jivatmas have seen and are seeing Bhagavan Narayana perpetually. The Veda says 'tad vishnoh paramam padam sadaa pashyanthi surayah' - the Seers always see the Supreme Pada of Vishnu. Given here is a very partial list of the fortunate ones who have seen the Lord. The list is somewhat chronologically ordered: 1) Lord Brahma 2) Lord Siva 3) The Sanakadhi Rishis, namely, Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanatana and Sanatkumara 4) The 12 Rishi sons of Brahma, namely, Vasishta, Atri, Angiras, Pulastya, Pulaha etc. 5) The Prajapathis such as Kasyapa, Kardama, Daksha etc. 6) Swayambhuva Manu and Satarupa, the first human beings in this Kalpa. 7) The Bhakti-oriented Maharishis such as Narada, Sandilya etc. 8) The Bhagavathothamas such as Prahlada, Dhruva etc. 9) The Asuras such as Hiranyakasipu, Hiranyaksha, etc. 10) The fortunate ones who lived with the Avatharas such as Vasudeva, Devaki, Dasaratha, Kousalya, Nanda, Yashoda, etc. 11) The bhaktas who served the Avatharas such as Guha, Sugriva, Vibeeshana, Hanuman, Arjuna, Uddhava, Daruka, Kuchela, Akrura, Vidura, Bhishma etc. 12) Parasara, Vyasa's father, who gave us the Puranarathna - Vishnupurana 13) Vyasa who gave us the Vedas, the Brahma Sutra, the Satvika Puranas such as Bhagavatha Purana, the Mahabharatha with the 2 gems, the Bhagavad Gita and the Vishnu Sahasranama 14) Vyasa's son, Sukabrahma, who narrated the Bhagavatha Purana 15) The 12 Alvars such as Nammalvar, Periyalvar, Andal etc. who constitute our very breath 16) The great Acharyas of our sampradaya such as Sri Natha Muni, Sri Yamuna Muni, Sri Kanchipurna, Sri Ramanuja, Sri Kuresha, Sri Vedanta Desika, Sri Manavala Mamuni etc. 17) The Acharyas and Vishnu-bhaktas of other sampradayas said to have directly seen the Lord such as Sri Sankara, Sri Padmapadha etc. (Advaita) Sri Madhva, Sri Vyasaraya, Sri Raghavendra etc. (Dvaita) Sri Nimbarka etc. (Dvaitadvaita) Sri Vishnuswami, Sri Vallabha etc. (Suddhadvaita) Sri Chaitanya etc. (Achintya Bheda-bheda) 18) The Vittaladasas such as Thukaram, Namadeva, Ghora Khumba, Choka Mela, Janabai, Chakkubai etc. who served Rukmini and Krishna at Pandaripuram. 19) The Ramadasas such as Bhadrachala Ramadas, Samartha Ramadas and the recent Thyagaraja Swami. 20) And countless billions of other unsung souls. > I would like to know what this > experience is like. Enlightened sages such as Sri Ramanuja spend their whole lifetimes teaching us, ignorant ones, what this experience is like. Like children who prattle their parents' speech, adiyen can only prattle the sacred utterances of those Narayana-Lovers as the answer to your question - 'Unsurpassable Bliss', 'Supreme Endless Love', 'Soul- melting', 'Unsatiating Nectar', 'The Peace that passeth understanding', 'Unending Happiness', 'The Supreme State of Vishnu', 'The True Nature' etc. adiyen begs the pardon of vaishnavas for trying to describe this state, being wholly unqualified to even talk of this Blessed State. > Also I have heard that as one progresses on the > spiritual path one can have visions of the other > Lokas, Devas etc. Has anyone had this vision? Several of the abovesaid mahatmas have had such visions. But they mention that on seeing Sriman Narayana, there is nothing else in the totality of existence that is worth seeing. Besides on seeing Narayana, the totality of existence is seen since Narayana is the Self of the totality of existence. > If anyone has had this experience please let me know > what it was like. adiyen would humbly beg you to approach an Acharyan who would kindly lead you to that Consummate Experience. > Thanks, > rohit dasan, P.Srinivasan