I agree. I think he was a saint, but not God.

I believe he was an avatar.

That's cool. Lots of people think that. I personally don't prescribe to that view, but I respect those who do. Avatar or not, he was a very pious man who showed love to many people.

Oui, je viens d'un pays Francophone et pareille comme toi, Je parle un petit peut de Francais de temps en temps.

Mais, la communication doit etre fait en Anglais, sinon les autres vont rien comprendre

Oui, c'est un forum en anglais, pas en francais. Avoir la francais, et... hello English!

Hi

Krishna is the Greatest Personality of God head one cannot describe in words the greatness of Shri Krishna.As Shri Krishna told in Bhagvath Gita that "I know everyone every person from the past present & also those who r not born yet but no one knows me"

Jai Hari Govind !!!!!!

Glories to Parabrahman and Ganesh!

Lord Krishna Speaks on Knowledge

10 Things You Need to Know About Knowledge

http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordkri.../knowledge.htm

By Subhamoy Das, About.com



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<!--gc--> Lord Krishna was indeed the great guru of how to live life on earth. Like all great men, his life was dedicated to helping man fathom the sacred realm of supreme knowledge. Krishna is the embodiment of his own teachings, and the Bhagavad Gita is his greatest message and mission to deliver us the knowledge that we all strive to seek. "In the Gita we hear the distant sound of the conflict of sects, and Lord Krishna comes in the middle to harmonize them all; He, the great teacher of harmony, Lord Krishna," said Swami Vivekananda, "The glory of Sri Krishna is that He has been the best preacher of our eternal religion and the best commentator on the Vedanta that ever lived in India." As Krishna himself said: "In Me they are all strung like pearls upon a thread."

The Path of Knowledge: FAQ

You may have myriad question about knowledge. The Gita has answers to them all. Here are top ten questions you may have, all answered by the Lord Himself:

What is knowledge?

"Humility, unostentatiousness, harmlessness, forbearance, uprightness, service to guru, purity, steadiness and self-control — all this is called knowledge."

What is so great about knowledge?

"Verily, there exists no purifier on earth, equal to knowledge. A man who becomes perfect in yoga finds it within himself in course of time."

Why should we strive to seek knowledge?

"Seek not for life on earth or in heaven. Thirst for life is delusion. Knowing life to be transitory, wake up from this dream of ignorance and strive to attain knowledge and freedom before death claims you."

What are the virtues of a person of knowledge?

"Dispassion for sense-objects, absence of egotism, seeing misery and evil in birth, death, old age and disease — all these are the virtues of a man of knowledge."

Who can attain the knowledge of God?

"Blessed are the pure in heart, for to them is given the knowledge of God… Blessed is human birth; even the dwellers in heaven desire this birth; for true knowledge and pure love may be attained only by a human being."

How can we acquire his knowledge?

"Acquire that knowledge through inquiry and humble service..."

How do we reach the realm of knowledge?

"Fixing their minds on Him, at one with Him, abiding in Him, realizing Him alone as the supreme goal, they reach a state from which there is no return, their sins having been destroyed by knowledge…"

Who can give us this knowledge?

"The wise who are knowers of the Truth will instruct you in wisdom."

What happens to the ignorant and faithless?

"But the man goes to ruin, who is ignorant and without faith and always doubting. Not this world, nor happiness is for the doubting soul."

How can you help us destroy ignorance?

"Just to bless them, I, residing in their intellect, destroy the darkness born of ignorance by the resplendent light of knowledge."

"....Krsno ha vai Hari paramo devaha."..Ved.


"Ishvara paramah krsna....
Anaadir aadir Govinda sarva karana kaaranam."... Bhrama samhita.


"Jeevera swarupa hoi krishnera nitya dasa."...Sri Caitanya mahaprabhu.



So,Krsna is the last word in absolute truth.
"Kimbru matwam yashode....
Tat purna bhramn bhumau biluthati krod: marao dhukamam."
-Narada says to mother yashoda.
translation-"Yashode! look how Parabhramn is crying to go in your arms."


So yes,Lord Krsna is the Supreme personality of Godhead.He is Bhramn{Ananda-Bhramn-Yonih}
He is Ananda itself.And jeeva vishisht bhramn[i.e. us,jeevas] are the ansh[eternal atomic particles of ananda/bhramn ].Just like a candle flame points upwrds towards it's origin,the sun,So also,the jeeva is searching for Ananda/Bhramn.And that is Sri saccidananda kanda,Sri Krsna.Even Shambhu,vidhi,Hari are restless for His Darshan and as soon as they get it,they fall on the ground,struck with infinite,indescribable,spiritual happiness,for He is Govinda,The entity who gives happiness/ananda to all the senses[go] in the spiritual as well as material universes.
Today,they are showing this yogi and that yogi,bhasma yogi,fire yogi, on the main page.Go and ask that yogi,Is he happy eternally.
He will answer no.
Why?
Becoz he hasnt attained ramanand,shyamanand.Sanat kumara says a beautiful verse in this regard.Who is he? The ultimate authority on Bhramanand.Forgive my inability to recall the verse.My memory is pathetic.

I do too agree. People speaking of raas-lila of Krishna, Krishna killed Karna by cheating etc... everything done by "God" cannot be justified. You cannot say that, look he did a lot of good things and escape the discussions on bad things.

I cannot say much about Lord Shiva as I know his as very ascetic personality.

no no. He was definitely God. But I don't know if he was a saint. Maybe, but maybe not.

it is very diiff avtar of god....

One way to understanding Krishna's Lila is to develop and place, above all, one's awareness of God's divinity. The perspective of the Raas-lila from one point is that Krishna was a womanizer who enjoyed the wives of others, and from another is that Krishna accommodated the wishes of souls to completely give themselves to Him at the risk of all sorts of derogation to both Krishna and themselves. The latter bears in mind the history of the Gopi's wishes, which date back to Rama's Lila. And this is what has been heralded as the Greatness of Krishna, His reciprocation with the love of His Bhaktas in the face of all derogation. Rama sent Sita to the forest, Krishna met the Gopis in the forest. Thus the Krishna avatar is special in that, for His Bhaktas/Bhaktins, He will break His own rules.

Beautifully spoken, Narasingh.

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The personalities in the puranas are all cousins sharing a common family tree back to maha-pita-ma Lord Brahma.

These personalities in the puranas are the same jivas in a temporal material body living in celestial opulence are known as the devata superintendents of cosmic affairs.

In the puranas, we are made privy to the lives of those in the royal court of the demigods and similarly we are made privy to the lives of saints who advised and inspired great personalities of antiquity--only made known to us mortal readers herein by way of contemporary saints emerging from out of Bharata-varsa.

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People why r u fighting tat this god is better or tat?
R u trying to be the judge among the gods?
If so, then u r more knowledgeable than all the gods....
coz a judge must have better knowledge than the participants..

One of the meanings of the name Krishna is 'all attractive'. That's why. This is just His quality: He attracts the jivas. You can't change it.
You say you like them all (the Gods), but you also asked this particular question about Krishna.
On the other hand all the other Gods (as well as everything else) also partially represent different qualities of Krishna and His energies. I don't want to offend their followers who would definitely like to see them as the Absolute. This is good. This is another good quality of Krishna though: He is completely detached. He does not care if everyone sees Him the best. He actually likes to glorify and please His devotees. He even serves them sometimes.