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  1. There are lots of stories in the Bhagwatam. Its a good scripture for those wanting to advance in Vaishnava Bhakti lineage and know about the pastimes by reading about them. Yes Hari nam is a way for Kaliyuga and Vishwambhar Mishra propagated it well as Chaitanya. I'm all respects for that. But nevertheless, Chaitanya doesn't declare his being Krsna as did Krsna. All these scriptural quotations and their interpretations point to Chaitanya only as Krsna avatara is again debatable. I won't be surprised if Prabhupada is made as an incarnation of kind in the next 20 years or so. I don't mean any offenses though. But in this age of quarrel and hypocrisy ... The Gaudiyas hve problem with Iskcon, Iskcon with Gaudiyas, with Ritviks and others... and all claim to be following Shri Chaitanya. All are ready to fight in the name of Chaitanya, Prabhupada, Govind Maharaj or Narayan 'Maharaj'... The bottom line is follow Chaitanya... follow bhakti yoga, devotion to Krsna, but why bash others? Chaitanya said to be servant of the servant of the servant.... . That was real humble. Now we have people fighting in the name of Chaitanya. Regards. Jai Shri Krishna.
  2. The beauty of Hinduism is that all the avataras were recognized and worshipped during their lifetime. Please read about Lord Rama's return to Ayodhya and his worship. Please also read about Bharat keeping Lord Rama's charan Paduka on the Raj Simhasana and worshipping it, running the Kingdom in Ram's name. Krishna was worshipped too. But as it happens Not all can recognize the Lord during his avataran period. Arjuna couldn't until he was convinced after darshan of Lord's virat roop.
  3. Pranam Bhagwat lover! I'm glad to know your perspective! Ironically I do find differences in bhava and tatva of what Shri Chaitanya said and what I hear from the preaching lot. I offer my obeisance to the Vaishnavs (Gaudiya and others) who are busy in exploring the vastness of Lord's mercy in any form or sampradaya. Indeed Krsna says he manifests himself before the devotee in the form that he wants him to.
  4. As Raghu stated in an earlier post, to everyone their own. Following message of devotion to Krishna of Shri Chaitanya is blissful. But whenever an avatara came, he declared it. Krsna did. Why did Vishwambhar Mishra needed a "Garb" of Chaitanya if he was Krsna? Chaitanya never declared he was Krsna ever. His followers later thought up a term and explanation called "Chhanna avatara" or hidden avatara. This can be debated. But I see no point really. This also goes in contradiction of Gaudiya philosophy of declaring the truth blatantly. Prabhupadha was blunt as hell in what he believed. And he belonged to Gaudiya school of thought. He was Gaudiya. So were the Goswamis. Although he did take Hari nam to the west. But this doesn't change his sampradayic background and lineage philosophy. Regards.
  5. Vishwashanthisevashram represent "everybody" in India?? I didn't know that. I don't have a problem with the verse or Samvartaka. But who annihilates is the question.
  6. What is the need to look in for "quotes" for everything?? Shiva aniihilates the cosmic manifestation. Are you trying to say that He doesn't and Indra does? Does Indra annihilate cosmic manifestation at Brahma's Ratri with that cloud if that cloud particular is used for this by Indra? What does Shiva do then? Why do you consider him "in the mode of ignorance?" Shiva is Satyam, Shivam, Sundram, Sat-Chit-Ananda. Not tamasa as is popularly explained in a complex way dear bhakta. Chaitanya was a Pure devotee of Krishna. So much that he was hailed as Krishna himself by his followers. He was more concerned with pure devotion than quotes unquotes. And what are you quoting? Bhakti-rasamrta sindhu is not a Vedic scripture / shastra! Nor is Chaitanya Charitamrita. Have you read Raskhan?? What could the Gopis quote?
  7. Which shastras?? are you kidding me? This is fundamental knowledge that Shiva annihilates the cosmic manifestation and not Indra!!
  8. Raghu, I'm not out here to establish a new lineage of thought based on my own experiences. When Prabhupada annouced that Hinduism (Sanatana dharma) and Gaudiyas have nothing in common and oppose each other, what is there to talk of mutually "accepted" standard of evidence. Why do people believe their father is their father? Simply because their mother says so? Get an evidence through an accepted DNA test. My family Guru was a Vaishnava Yogi who lived for 300 years not too far from Chaitanya's time. I had an American atheist question me about the "evidence". What evidence do I give him? dig up the samadhi and give DNA samples? You need evidence of Nirvikalpa Samadhi? You don't believe saints like Sri Yukteswar Giri, Yogananda, Babaji? Practice your own samadhi and that will be the best evidence. I believe simply through inner guidance that I get from my initiations and visions into the field. - Regards.
  9. Indra thought as I do?? Indra is a God! If Gods think like me then I should be flattered. Suchandra, I don't really get impressed by using Bhagwatam example and examples of how Krsna punished such n such persona and if I say or do something then it would imply the exact same thing. Krsna is not lifting Govardhan's everyday. A devotee was murdered in New Vrindavana and his body was secretly burried there by the management or whoever they were.. What did Krsna do? I'll be glad to rise upto the level of Indra and then confront Krsna only to fall under his holy feet. Lord Hanuman lifted a whole mountain too. Lord Shiva protected hsi devotee Markandya from the God of Death Yama. What's the point? There is something wrong in the translation or somewhere here. A cloud with whic Indra annihilates the "whole cosmic manifestation"?? Indra can't do that. That is Lord Shiva's right and job. Shiva can annihilate the whole cosmic manifestation. lol! I think you are confusing me with Indra in some way Suchandra ji! I'm not defying Krsna or considering myself as Krsna in anyways! lol. This is a common scare tactic. I think this distortion is uncalled for. But thanks for putting this story. I think it is believed in the Brijwasi culture to tell and listen to stories of Govinda's pastimes as auspicious and bringing spiritual benefit. I've gotten some benefit from reading it too.
  10. The same way, as the Hare Krishnas are in love with a Krishna they have never seen or met. Through the experience of Bona-fide Gurus and Yogis. oh and Krishna himself talks of samadhi too. I don't memorize quote numbers though.
  11. Throwing the universally fitting shoe vaguely at the crowd was an interesting thing Theist.
  12. Asking Gods for material gains is shastra sammat! Where does Krishna say in Bhagwad Gita don't ask anything? Asking is not "ordering"!! Prabhupada twisted sanskrit word of "Dehi" to ordering! If its an order, then its not flattery!! (I know some people don't like exclamation marks in my posts) And here in lies the double standard. Double standards don't work in spiritual life. Gods are not flattered. You may burn a thousand lamps of ghee and make all prasadam and keep selling mahaprasadam at higher prices. This flatery doesn't work in pleasing the Gods. Gods don't help unless you are sincere. When Krishna wanted to please Lord Shiva he had to do rigorous Pashupat sadhna. So did Arjuna approach Indra and Shiva and probably did say "dehi" to fulfill his aim of getting divine weapons. So this doesn't go in line with the Vedic culture. The Vedic culture doesn't preach to live a life of poverty. But it does teach non attachment to the riches and not falling from spiritual life. In practice, Prabhupada never ceased to keep on collecting rich funds for his organization. But his message of keeping the desires of running after material gains alone came on right time for the western people having only material life perspective to life.
  13. Dear Beggar, Of course I have met many good people amongst the Gaudiyas / Iskconites. But the general tendency and preaching is thus. Usually the humble ones don't have much scriptural knowledge. I've met some of the 'servants' of highly perched Gurus more humble and nice than the Gurus themselves, who are busy basking in their own glory.
  14. Raghu ji, Namaskar. Well, yog is not essentially a topic for vedantic debate. Its more experiential. rasa is experiential. Thus yoga. Bhakti is also yoga as its experience based. To give "pramana" of taste and rasa is to talk of explaining the taste of rajbhog to someone who never taster sugar or anything sweet. I am not talking this personally in terms of you. I'm making a general statement. I cant seem to keep my finger off the exclamation key? Is that a problem? Yes I'm expressive! Of course my statements are not based solely on my own opinion. And I'm not implying that all of you have to accept it. Gaudiyas are good accepting their own versions of stories and milk curd, Shiva 87% etc. theories. No problem. Problem is with the put down of others! (here goes the exclamation mark).
  15. Another common Hare Krishna MISCONCEPTION about mukti and Brahm!! The Hare Krsna's think that ONLY Gaudiya Vaishnava has it all. All the Rasa!! The highest stage of rasa is Nirvikalpa samadhi. Its impossible without rasa. The bhakti elements of highest order are present in yogis and bhakti happily is not a monopoly of Gaudiya sampradaya indeed. So what's new? The loving relation between God and devotee is pure ananda. And the good thing about it is that its available to the mundane and those able to reach the higher levels of consciousness and rasa! But then as I said, the Hare Krsna narrow world is divided into two - Hare Krsna devotees and the rest of the world!! ;-) You said you "don't seek "our/my" places of association so why I / we come here? Wrong!!! You are everywhere - malls, airports, streets, approaching houses everywhere! When your Guru criticized everybody around, he should have been ready to receive some of it back? Law of Karma eh? No. I'm not here to criticize anybody really. That's not the motive!! If my opinion meant "nothing" to you, you wouldn't have cared to reply to my post that wasn't addressing you. We all share the common society, the world. Its fine - to each his own faith. The HK has every right to believe they are the best!! But you evoke confrontation by confronting. Simple. You don't remain happy simply worshipping!! That would've been attractive!! You don't simply say you believe in your line of philosophy. No. You go beyond that. Advaitins, impersonalists, yogis, sages, saints and everybody else are "Fools and Rascals" and people with "lower intelligence"!!! That's where you go into other people's business!!! You are not just minding your own business dude!! That's the reason of "mocking tone"! Its not childish. You want to remain aloof everybody posing "Maharaj" calling them fools n rascals n putting down and if they react they are "childish" Nice. Let me disagree with your philosophy and see the garb of humbleness come off in a jiffy!! I've seen it a million times in the past 25 years!! And then I seek one truly humble loving Vaishnava! And he becomes my best friend! Gaudiya label or not!! I do not care!!! The Soul is not "Gaudiya" or non Gaudiya!! Nor is Krishna!!! Hare Krsna!!
  16. OMG Baobad man!!! Now you just put your hand in the beehive!! Now all the Hare Krsna who preach that gyana and scriptural flowery words are not above simple hearted pure bhakti will impound you with the various scriptural jugglery and their gaudiya shloka philosophy prowess!!! As JN das clearly stated that The Gaudiya system is in direct contradiction to Hinduism, Brahm and advaita, there is no use arguing or expecting any debate!!! The Hare Krsna world in categprized into two segments - Vaishnavas (essentially Gaudiya Vaishnavas as the supreme) and non Vaishnavas or the - Karmis, Mayavadis, etc. etc. If you are under the Gaudiya Umbrella, then you are safe talking! Otherwise not!! This has always been my experience. And I talk from experience. Not just "purports" of someone else!!! I know this message will be taken as "offensive" on a pro hare Krsna forum. But i'm tired of being pseudo humble and saying sorry, when none of the Hare Krsna's say sorry for putting down Shri Shankaracharya, the vedic rishis, Lord Shiva as a mere "demi-God", saying Shiva worship is done by people of low intelligence when Krishna himself extensively worshipped Shiva becoming a Shaiva!! The Gaudiya philosophy is a one sided view of spiritual life, is very rigid and does not entertain any other view point. It does accept that God has many possibilities, but it does not find it acceptable to accept those possibilities, forms or ways to reach him. Everything has a double standard sadly.
  17. Yes I would agree a lot of things are presented and interpreted in a certain way to pass off certain things here.
  18. First step to this is to approach a bona-fide tantra / yoga Guru who has himself attained siddhi in any particular field.
  19. There are many many benefits of wearing Rudraksha beads!! There is no question of offense. If someone talks of Rudraksha as an offense, then that person is speculating only. Whosoever he may be. But there are certain rules as to what is dear for what kind of sadhna and to what deity. Rudraksha is favorite of Shiva whereas Tulasi of Narayana, Krishna, Rama. So the rule applies to chanting a specific mantra with a specific bead. But you can wear rudraksha. while still chanting Hare Krsna mantra with tulasi beads. No problem. In any case, Rudraksha can have no offense over anything. Krishna worshipped Shiva and practiced Pashupata yoga. Do you think he didn't wear Rudraksha? Most Vedic sages wore Rudraksha beads whether or not they were exclusive Shiva bhaktas. Thank you! Hare Krishna.
  20. Dear Moderator, Please correct the name from VIJNAN TO VIGYAN of this list!!! The correct name is mantra tantra yantra VIGYAN and NOT Vijnan!! Thank you!!
  21. hmmm.. agree mostly Sephiroth. 10,000 babies aborted every year and 1 baby born every 1 minute on this planet, and India happens to be the second most populated country too by the way. Hinduism will survive. It has survived through the barbaric islamic onslaught of a 1000 years straight, it has survived the 200 years of British raj. And it is surviving the modern westernization of India and its culture. But Hindus sure need to get off their butt and promote good Hindu values and their culture and religion by practicing themselves first. The current pro islamic and pro roman catholic congress government led by Sonia Maino of Italy gags up Hinduism in the name of pseudo secularism. They are more interested in enriching the party and personal lives than deal with caste system or other problems. Further there are politicians like Mayawati who have blown up the very caste system out of proportions to fill up thier pockets beyond imagination of common man! The woman spent almost two million dollars on her birthday bash!! and she gives slogans protecting the poor and downtrodden from lower castes collecting huge funds in their name. Problems are many. And if we start concentrating on them, then we loose focus. We need to promote Hinduism. And not concentrate on what's wrong. A lot of things have gone wrong. Nobody should expect India to be a pure land after reading the Ramayana or Bhagwatam stories!! Many Hare Krsnas come to India for the first time imagining stories from Bhagwatam etc. There are many dilutions in the values and culture that have taken places through past many hundred years. BUT, the pure richness of spirituality can still be found!!! Its not everywhere. But IT IS there. Still. It has gone into hiding! From the illusions and commercialization and complications of modern day values. The simple, the pure is still there. We can seek and find it too. Its available. But it also needs to be propagated. So that more and more people come and can benefit. If a small 500 years old sect can go the west and propagate its values, then thousands of years old Hinduism / Sanatana Dharma can surely do that!!!
  22. Where did the Lord put restrictions on the worship of his forms? child or adult form, all are worth worshipping. Only the 'bhava' is different.
  23. Dear Vigraha, Nice explanation. Can you please let know where in Shrimad Bhagwatam is mentioned that "Lord Chaitanya comes once only in a thousand Kaliyugas!"? i'll feel myself blessed to read it. Do you happen to know of any other 'channa avataras' apart from Shri Chaitanya? who are they? Thank you. Hare Krsna!
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