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Old 04-05-2008, 06:00 PM   #41
 
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JAY JAY SHREERÄDHÄKRSHNACHAITANYÄY NAMAH
GURU SHREECHAITANYA MAHÄPRABHAVE NAMAH
SHREE NITYÄNANDA PRABHAVE NAMAH
SHREE SHIVASHIVÄY NAMAH

in Garga Samhitä and in Padma Puräna, Bhagavän ShreeKrshna HIMSELF reveals that anyone who tries to differntiate between HIM and Bhagavän ShreeShankar surely is chasing the darkest region of hell!

i dont think it should be very difficult for the shuddha bhaktas of Bhagavän ShreeChaitnaya Mahäprabhujee to understand how ShreeBhagavän cannot act like a Devotee.

Moreover, look at the feat of Bhagavän ShreeShiva, what has HE not become just to serve the LORD...

>in the Däsya-bhäva, He comes as LORD Hanumänjee Mahäräja, and as Muräri Guptajee.
>In Vätsalya-bhäva, He comes as LORD Advaita Ächäryajee (ShreeChaitanya Bhägavat 3.4.466),
>and in Mädhürya-Bhäva, HE comes as ShreeShiväni Gopee (Shreemad Bhägavatam)

i know i'm committing a great offence, not of Bhagavän ShreeKrshna but that of ShreeShiva.

i hope things are better understood.

Shreel Bhaktisiddhänt Sarasvateejee says in a purport of Brahma-samhitä 5.45 that, 'Lord Shankar is not a separate Godhead', now this clearly means that HE is Godhead, other wise where was any necessity of writing such a line?

i hope i'm not confusing any reader, or else, i'm in a great danger...

and as Jagadguru ShreeKripälujee Mahäräja teaches, there are not too many sweet Leeläs revealed by ShreeRäma and ShreeShiva Rüpas, as compared to THE LEELÄ PURUSHOTTAM BHAGAVÄN SHREEKRSHNA!

but one thing that should never be simultaneously forgotten is that Bhagavän ShreeKrshna's is the ÄdiRüpa, the Original Rüpa, where as the same Bhagavän takes another (apparently different Rüpa), for different principle functions.


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Old 04-05-2008, 06:55 PM   #42
 
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For me, Shirdi Sai and Krishna are the same. We are all one with the Brahma, though our ego and ignorance prevents this perception. The great veil of Maya often tricks us into thinking of ourselves as separate from God and that is always the path of ignorance and leads us into ruin.

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i'm sorry to tell u but this is a misconception that Sai bäbä is ShreeKrshna Bhagavän.

We may be Brahma but under mäyä, our consciousness is perverted.

ShreeKrshna is not just Brahma, HE is ParaBrahma, transcendental to even Brahma, our selfishness always tricks us to thinking that we could be God. God never feels hunger, thirst, desires, dreams, etc., and we know how good we are at all those...

Shreel Prabhupädajee often defied such bogus claims by saying that whosoever claims to be the Bhagavän must pass at least two tests...

>first to show the Vishva Rüpa, the one ShreeKrshna showed to ShreeArjuna (HE also empowered his eyes to be able to see HIS divine Viräta Svarüpa) and ShreeChaitanya Mahäprabhujee showed it to ShreeAdvaita Ächäryajee

>and second, to show all the divine marks in the soles of HIS LotusFeet and palms of His LotusHands.

the pure Vaishnavas dont accept anyone as ShreeKrshna's avatars unless they're clearly revealed in the Vedas.

i'm sorry, but u are offending Vaishnavas by calling Sai baba, Bhagavän ShreeKrshna.

pls. dont do that.

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SHREERÄDHÄKRSHNACHAITANYÄY NAMAH

SHREECHAITANYA MAHÄPRABHAVE NAMAH
SHREENITYÄNANDA PRABHAVE NAMAH
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i'm sorry to tell u but this is a misconception that Sai bäbä is ShreeKrshna Bhagavän.

We may be Brahma but under mäyä, our consciousness is perverted.

ShreeKrshna is not just Brahma, HE is ParaBrahma, transcendental to even Brahma, our selfishness always tricks us to thinking that we could be God. God never feels hunger, thirst, desires, dreams, etc., and we know how good we are at all those...

Shreel Prabhupädajee often defied such bogus claims by saying that whosoever claims to be the Bhagavän must pass at least two tests...

>first to show the Vishva Rüpa, the one ShreeKrshna showed to ShreeArjuna (HE also empowered his eyes to be able to see HIS divine Viräta Svarüpa) and ShreeChaitanya Mahäprabhujee showed it to ShreeAdvaita Ächäryajee

>and second, to show all the divine marks in the soles of HIS LotusFeet and palms of His LotusHands.

the pure Vaishnavas dont accept anyone as ShreeKrshna's avatars unless they're clearly revealed in the Vedas.

i'm sorry, but u are offending Vaishnavas by calling Sai baba, Bhagavän ShreeKrshna.

pls. dont do that.


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Yes, Sai Baba is no more than a yogi, and he is claiming to be the Supreme. But this is Kali yuga where there are not only cheaters but also people who want to be cheated. Oh, Nitai! Please give intelligence to these souls. Bring them under the shade of Your lotus feet- nitai pada kamala koti chandra susitala. People like me are burning in the samsara davanala- the fire of samsara. The shade of Your lotus feet are as cooling as millions of moons- koti chandra susitala. Please relieve our suffering due to our engagement in samsara and place us under the shade of Your lotus feet.

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No more than a yogi?

Being a yogi is not a trivial thing. Its certainly hard to explain to others who are not.

Its better than being wealthy, or a leader of a country, or a TV preacher prying money out of the hands of those who can least afford it.

If you're burning, why not stay in the shade of those lotus feet?

Why leave?


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Induji and xexon,

You are both correct if looked at from differing viewpoints, and whilst being a yogi is no small achievement, Sai Baba definitely goes over the top when he allows his gullible followers to place him on the same pedestal as God. As such, I can only endorse Indulekha's position slightly more. The greatest impersonalist of twentieth-century India, Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi, is worshipped by his disciples as a Guru and Jivan-mukta, never sAkshAd Brahma.

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I really don't know from where to start. When i'm trying to construct words to describe the Supreme, I'm feeling helpless. Maybe it's due to my ignorance...

Anyways, a secret remains a secret, only Hari knows who can comprehend it and He Himself takes charge to reveal it.

Don't put us in difficulty by asking such difficult questions.

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bing a yogi is not a trivial thing. Its certainly hard to explain to others who are not.

yogees are from just another cast of athiesm, they're non-devotees, as they dont accept the innocent service to the Supreme and take to rebellious way to find eight psychic amusemnts to please gullible and greedy crowd.

and these eight so called siddhis are achieved by that selfish yogee only by the Supremed Grace of the Unassuming Näräyana!

whether it is sampragnyät or asampragnyät samädhi, or tureeya or tureeyäteeta, these bogus mental status is gotten by the Grace of that Supreme Näräyana only, but the ingratiate and thankless yogee, engrossed in revelling in those eight siddhis, never realized that Causeless Kripä!

as Revealed by ShreeChaitanya Mahäprabhujee, it might be better, from a nondevotee's point of view to be a yogee, but to a shuddha Vaishnava, anything else than pure devotional service is worse than hellish planets, even if it is awarded one of five liberations. Moreover, the Bhaktas, simply kick the impersonal liberation and refrain from other four Vaikuntha muktis, as they take away from them, the opportunity to Serve Their Beloved Master, ShreeKRSHNA.

Rämasukha däsajee has said, that a yogee, who, shoots out its präna from the Brahma-randra and gives up its body, is certainly committing a sätvic ätma-hatyä!



Mahäprabhujee only knows what sai baba was, but certainly, NONE...NONE except SHREEKRSHNA is or could be BHAGAVÄN.

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No more than a yogi?

Being a yogi is not a trivial thing. Its certainly hard to explain to others who are not.

Its better than being wealthy, or a leader of a country, or a TV preacher prying money out of the hands of those who can least afford it.

If you're burning, why not stay in the shade of those lotus feet?

Why leave?


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Yes, it may be nice to be a yogi, but a yogi cannot claim to be Krishna. That is a great offense. There is a great difference between yogis and the Supreme Lord. Unless one is a bhakti yogi then what is the use? By having some mystic powers one cannot go back to Krishna.

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In the class I gave today this very same question was asked by a lady visting many hindu temples. The essence of the answer was that only by chanting sincerely the Mahamantra can the secrete of Krishna's internal energy be unlocked and gradually realized. Otherwise these things remain a mystery and Krishna appears hidden and appears to us like a ordinary person or worse. So please chant congregationally the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra to open your divine vision and apreciation of trancendental subject matters
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Thanks, Gaurahari prabhuji.
Yes, despite this being a common and simple question it is very esoteric- believe it or not.

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i'm sorry to tell u but this is a misconception that Sai bäbä is ShreeKrshna Bhagavän.

We may be Brahma but under mäyä, our consciousness is perverted.

ShreeKrshna is not just Brahma, HE is ParaBrahma, transcendental to even Brahma, our selfishness always tricks us to thinking that we could be God. God never feels hunger, thirst, desires, dreams, etc., and we know how good we are at all those...

Shreel Prabhupädajee often defied such bogus claims by saying that whosoever claims to be the Bhagavän must pass at least two tests...

>first to show the Vishva Rüpa, the one ShreeKrshna showed to ShreeArjuna (HE also empowered his eyes to be able to see HIS divine Viräta Svarüpa) and ShreeChaitanya Mahäprabhujee showed it to ShreeAdvaita Ächäryajee

>and second, to show all the divine marks in the soles of HIS LotusFeet and palms of His LotusHands.

the pure Vaishnavas dont accept anyone as ShreeKrshna's avatars unless they're clearly revealed in the Vedas.

i'm sorry, but u are offending Vaishnavas by calling Sai baba, Bhagavän ShreeKrshna.

pls. dont do that.
And you are offending the devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba (who in case you didn't know is different from this con-artist Sathya Sai Baba) by denouncing him. If not God, Shirdi Sai Baba was trully a saint of the highest level.

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yogees are from just another cast of athiesm, they're non-devotees, as they dont accept the innocent service to the Supreme and take to rebellious way to find eight psychic amusemnts to please gullible and greedy crowd.
Now you've crossed the line! Certainly, there are many yogis who are fakes and are just looking for money and fame, but many have spent years upon years of sevre penance and practice, in an attempt to understand God, and the self. You are the one clammering about not offending devotees, but you're offending a class of devotees, who are far above you and I, in terms of spiritual practice.

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Shirdi Sai Baba (who in case you didn't know is different from this con-artist Sathya Sai Baba)
Oui, c'est tres vrai. J'aime Shridi Sai Baba, mais je n'aime pas plus Sathya Sai Baba.

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Need a translation, Radhe. I would be interested to hear your thoughts about Sai Baba.

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Need a translation, Radhe. I would be interested to hear your thoughts about Sai Baba.
I only know basic French, but I think she said something along the lines of "Yes, that's true. I like Shiridi Sai Baba, but not Sathya Sai Baba".

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I only know basic French, but I think she said something along the lines of "Yes, that's true. I like Shiridi Sai Baba, but not Sathya Sai Baba".
That's exactly what I said How do you feel about Shridi Sai Baba, Indulekha Ji and Baobabtree? From what I know of his teachings (which is admittedly very little), I like him.

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