Redsox Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 On a clear night, look up to the sky. Is it on the deneb system? vega? Regulus? Acquarius? This galaxy? maybe andromeda? Maybe a galaxy we don' know about? The dark matter? Where is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Greetings, redsox.. Heaven is within you. And so is hell. If you think you`re in heaven then you`re in it. If you think you`re in hell, etc...So, it`s all in the mind, right? Look at Krsna`s mind then you can see that heaven or hell is within that part of his brain. He`s Vasudeva, the cause of all causes. He`s everything...In fact, we are all inside Krsna`s brain. He is our gigantic virat-rupa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Greetings, redsox.. Heaven is within you. And so is hell. If you think you`re in heaven then you`re in it. If you think you`re in hell, etc...So, it`s all in the mind, right? Look at Krsna`s mind then you can see that heaven or hell is within that part of his brain. He`s Vasudeva, the cause of all causes. He`s everything...In fact, we are all inside Krsna`s brain. He is our gigantic virat-rupa. Yes, but why talk like goloka is somewhere "out there". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Goloka Vrndavan is the abode of Govinda. No one goes there except when you are a pure devotee like Narada or Dhruva. Be like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahak Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Srila Prabhupada often speaks of language discrepancies. Shraddah may translate as faith, but the words are not equal. Faith is seated in the mind, a subtle element, but a material element. Shraddah is seated in the self and is realized knowledge. One can have a crisis of faith, but there is no crisis of shraddah. Similarly, our language has no other word that fits to describe something not within our grasp. "out there" has come to mean this. Goloka is not out there, because everything seen (with one exception, the pole star) is in the material realm. Goloka is not positioned out there, only the Vaikuntha Dhruvaloka (the pole star) is out there, as a gift from Lord Narayana to Dhruva maharaja, the defeater of death. "Out there" is okay with me, just as the "Lord in the Heart" is okay with me. (What, Lord Nityananda lives in a bloody pump, surrounded by intestines?) The philosophy of Goloka being actually a place of residence for the beings who are not there yet, via any elemental or dimensional ploy, is fully intact in the Unlimited Names of Lord Krsna. The limited mundane languages cannot describe these things, we do the best we can under these circumstances. Srila Bhaktivinode describes Srimati Vishaka as having the color of a lightening bolt. Its the best we can do, we cannot duplicate that color in any painting of the Gopi of Krsnas eternal play. For Sri gHari, I know youre out there somewhere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSyRFLlYnWI&feature=related Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahak Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 the video has commercial meaning, but the lyrics are as follows "I Know You're Out There Somewhere" I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere, somewhere I know I'll find you somehow Somehow, somehow And somehow I'll return again to you The mist is lifting slowly I can see the way ahead And I've left behind the empty streets That once inspired my life And the strength of the emotion Is like thunder in the air 'Cos the promise that we made each other Haunts me to the end I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere, somewhere I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere you can hear my voice I know I'll find you somehow Somehow, somehow I know I'll find you somehow And somehow I'll return again to you The secret of your beauty And the mystery of your soul I've been searching for in everyone I meet And the times I've been mistaken It's impossible to say And the grass is growing Underneath our feet I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere, somewhere I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere you can hear my voice I know I'll find you somehow Somehow, somehow I know I'll find you somehow And somehow I'll return again to you From the words that I remember From my childhood still are true That there's none so blind As those who will not see And to those who lack the courage And say it's dangerous to try Well they just don't know That love eternal will not be denied I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere, somewhere I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere you can hear my voice I know I'll find you somehow Somehow, somehow I know I'll find you somehow And somehow I'll return again to you Yes I know it's going to happen I can feel you getting near And soon we'll be returning To the fountain of our youth And if you wake up wondering In the darkness I'll be there My arms will close around you And protect you with the truth I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere, somewhere I know you're out there somewhere Somewhere you can hear my voice I know I'll find you somehow Somehow, somehow I know I'll find you somehow And somehow I'll return again to you mahaksadasa: As Johnny lyden says, "this is not a love song". The video is quite mundane, but the lyrics highlighted note the intent of the song. See, art IS in the eyes of the beholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Why is there a need for external rituals when the truth is inside us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahak Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Heaven - david byrne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEpUHnvfCzQ Everyone is trying to get to the bar. The name of the bar, the bar is called Heaven. The band in Heaven plays my favorite song. They play it once again, they play it all night long. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. There is a party, everyone is there. Everyone will leave at exactly the same time. Its hard to imagine that nothing at all could be so exciting, and so much fun. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. When this kiss is over it will start again. It will not be any different, it will be exactly the same. It's hard to imagine that nothing at all could be so exciting, could be so much fun. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suchandra Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Why is there a need for external rituals when the truth is inside us? In the Bhagavatam it is mentioned that a river, flowing from a hill eventually mixes into the ocean. When we worship demigods it is a similar situation, our worship ultimately flows toward Sri Krishna. But, the hill from which the river emerges from never reaches the ocean, only the water from the river meets the ocean. Likewise, when worshiping the demigods, our offering eventually arrives at Sri Krishna, but we the worshiper do not. Hence it is effective to worship directly the Supreme Personality Sri Bhagavan.For example, when they are worshiping Mother Durga, what is the mantra? ‘Give me wealth, give me beauty, give me children, give me fame’. This is the only kind of prayer for all of the devas. They cannot liberate from material bondage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahak Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 for practice, red sox. Its all about practice. If the ritual helps with rememberance of Krsna (visnu smaranam), keep it. If not, reject it at once, Give up all varieties of such useless things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Yes I know it's going to happen I can feel you getting near And soon we'll be returning To the fountain of our youth And if you wake up wondering In the darkness I'll be there My arms will close around you And protect you with the truth Yes mahaksa it is in how we hear it. Keep the inner vaisnava translator on and the above verse from the MB's could be Mother Yasoda worrying about Krsna being late to return for dinner as darkness starts to set in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 On a clear night, look up to the sky. Is it on the deneb system? vega? Regulus? Acquarius? This galaxy? maybe andromeda? Maybe a galaxy we don' know about? The dark matter? Where is it? It is there, if you can see far enough, if there are enough stars. Then you can see HUMILITY. Then you can see that you will never understand Krsna with your mind, that you can never know God. And if that devastates you, sends you falling into the bottomless abyss of sorrow, then, then He will have compassion on you and you will find the Kingdom of God, so great that the stars will fall away, the earth will disappear, and you will never be the same again. Ever. So look to the stars, for a man's reach should exceed his grasp. We are tiny but He will make you feel essential. We are coarse but He will make you feel glorious. So very much greater than all the worlds combined is your dearest friend, Sri Krsna. There is heaven; there is the Kingdom. There is home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerServant Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 It is there, if you can see far enough, if there are enough stars. Then you can see HUMILITY. Then you can see that you will never understand Krsna with your mind, that you can never know God. And if that devastates you, sends you falling into the bottomless abyss of sorrow, then, then He will have compassion on you and you will find the Kingdom of God, so great that the stars will fall away, the earth will disappear, and you will never be the same again. Ever. So look to the stars, for a man's reach should exceed his grasp. We are tiny but He will make you feel essential. We are coarse but He will make you feel glorious. So very much greater than all the worlds combined is your dearest friend, Sri Krsna. There is heaven; there is the Kingdom. There is home. " So very much greater than all the worlds combined is your dearest friend, Sri Krsna. There is heaven; there is the Kingdom. There is home." I may not be able to tell where heaven is, but this world is certainly a purgatory having some hellish characteristics. Why do I say this? Because there are so many things here that "help" you forget "your dearest friend". If only we can remember Him. Yes .. great answer from gHari .. being His friend, being with Him .. Heaven! Om. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Like to play with words? One is uno in spanish. And in english his name is John. In spanish it`s Juan. Two is dos, a computer lingo. Three sounds like a tree to me. Four is quadro which is a square. Five is give me life. Six is sex. Seven is HEAVEN! What is Krsna`s favorite number? It isn`t HEAVEN or seven but it`s 8. Okay, let`s EAT! Hahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanatan Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Oft-repeated, but always worthy of re-repeating: 20. And, when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21. Neither shall they say "Lo here! or Lo there! For, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you Jesus Christ, Bible, KJV. St. Luke, Chapter 17, Verses 20 & 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Srila Sridhar Maharaja states clearly that Vrindavana is a state of consciousness. I posted a quote here a while back to that effect, but I'm too lazy to find it now. To quote Belinda Carlisle, "Heaven is a place on Earth." Of course, heaven is also much, much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 You`re in heaven if you have plenty of savings. But your in heaven if you have savings. It is depleted if you buy good food to eat or 8. It`s hellish if you have no heaven. Hahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 http://heaven.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjuna Haridas Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Where is heaven? If you can point to your soul, then you have found Heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Have you guys watched that movie, " Oh, God you Devil!" starred by George Burns? It was a very funny movie. Imagine you playing God and at the same time, you playing the devil! The Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. If you could be that guy then you must be in heaven.Or hell. Try it sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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