ISKCON guru chastised and disciplined!

[suchandra 1]

 

Prabhupada's GBC. the one he actually elected fell down - the zonal acarya fiasco. Subsequently there really wasn't a GBC to speak of. Where did it come from? It was self-appointed. That is not the system. It is not sastra for GBC to elect gurus. Where in the history of the sampradaya was that done.

Where does guru answer to a GBC? No it is not bona fide. The currrent GBC is bogus.

In lecture, December 8, 1972, Prabhupada explains how to be successful, not by changing things but by following:

"Before me, many swamis went to the Western countries to preach this Bhagavad-gītā. Not a single person became a devotee of Krishna. Not a single person. There is not in the history. And now Bhagavad-gītā is being presented as it is, thousands are becoming devotee of Krishna. This is the secret. People give me credit that “Swamiji, you have done wonderful. Nobody could do it.” I am not a wonderful man. Neither I do know anything magic. I have presented Bhagavad-gītā as it is. That’s all. This is the secret. Anyone can do that. You present the thing as it is. Don’t adulterate it. Then it will be accepted. Just like paramānna, ksira. Ksira is very nice food, but if you adulterate it with some grains of sand, it is spoiled. It is spoiled.

 

So that was being done. Bhagavad-gītā is the science of God, the spiritual science. But it was being adulterated by so many grains of sands. So people could not understand it. We do not present Bhagavad-gītā with some adulteration. Krishna says, bhakto ’si priyo

’si arjuna. Krishna is instructing Arjuna to begin the paramparā system because the paramparā system was supposed to be broken.

People misunderstood. Or some way or other, it was broken. As it is going on now also. So Krishna said that “I shall speak to you this same old philosophy of Bhagavad-gītā again.” “Why unto me?” Why Krishna selected Arjuna? There are many others, learned scholars. Now, Krishna says, bhakto ’si priyo ’si. Kṛṣṇa was a military man, er, Arjuna was a military man. He was not a Vedantist. He was a gṛhastha, not even a sannyāsī. Why Krishna selected to instruct Arjuna as the disciple of the renovated paramparā system? That is also spoken by Krishna: bhakto ’si priyo ’si me, rahasyam etad uttamam: “Because you

are My dear friend, because you are My devotee, you can understand the mysteries of Bhagavad-gītā.” Krishna did not select a so-called Vedantist to understand Bhagavad-gītā. Because Arjuna was not a Vedantist. He was a military man. He’s not supposed to become a great philosopher. He was a gṛhastha. But the real qualification is to become a devotee of Krishna. Then one can understand what is Bhagavad-gītā.

[fish 0]

GBC belongs to Srila Prabhupada and if one does not follow, he should be replaced simply. The board should be anyhow. There can be a qualification of some of them is not too high, then it is necessary to read Shrila Prabhupada's books and to receive high qualification. Who does not read Prabhupada's book - not GBC, who is necessary to replace him simply with that reads Shrila Prabhupada's books.

 

 

There is no community of sadhu mens a religion of third grade, kanishtha. Kanishtha does not cooperate, he thinks: Only me and my guru, which best. I m the best therefore my guru the best.

And why the best is necessary for you? Study from anyone who that that knows about Krishna consciousness. If you the swindler to you can be and is not necessarily necessary the best guru. Can be to you anyone who speaks about Krishna consciousness will approach.

Anyhow advanced guru does not mean the advanced pupil. There are many examples of the advanced guru at which so it is a lot of pupils of swindlers.

 

Ritviks want a variant of Christianity when circuits of student's continuity are not present, and there is only a priest. But the christianity already is, what for to make one more Christianity from Krishna consciousness? They want to proclaim formally Prabhupada, thus to not be responsible for what or and to correct from his name. It already is in Сhristianity. There ritviks of Jesus Christ only.

[Guest guest]

 

GBC belongs to Srila Prabhupada and if one does not follow, he should be replaced simply. The board should be anyhow. .

Are you saying the GBC should be replaced if it 'does not follow'?

Who would replace it? Who watches the watchers? It all began with bona fide guru. That is what we need. Bona fide guru. Nowhere to be found at the moment.

[Guest guest]

 

Ritviks want a variant of Christianity when circuits of student's continuity are not present, and there is only a priest. But the christianity already is, what for to make one more Christianity from Krishna consciousness? They want to proclaim formally Prabhupada, thus to not be responsible for what or and to correct from his name. It already is in Сhristianity. There ritviks of Jesus Christ only.

 

Madhudvisa: Is there any way for a Christian to, without the help of a Spiritual Master, to reach the spiritual sky through believing the words of Jesus Christ and trying to follow his teachings?

 

Srila Prabhupada: I don't follow.

 

Tamal Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a Spiritual Master, but by reading the Bible, and following Jesus's words, reach the...

 

Srila Prabhupada: When you read the Bible, you follow Spiritual Master. How can you say without? As soon as you read the Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means that you are following Spiritual Master. So where is the opportunity of being without Spiritual Master?

 

Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living Spiritual Master.

 

Srila Prabhupada: Spiritual Master is not question of...Spiritual Master is eternal. Spiritual Master is eternal...So your question is 'without Spiritual Master'. Without Spiritual Master you cannot be at any stage of your life. You may accept this Spiritual Master or that Spiritual Master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible", when you read Bible that means you are following the Spiritual Master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ.

(SP Lecture, 2/10/68, Seattle )

[Laulyam 0]

"The conduct of Shri Krishna is two fold i.e., eternal and occasional. In Goloka, eternal conduct and astakaliya leela exists at all times. In Bhauma Vrndavana that astakaliya leela is mixed up with occasional leela. Going from Vraja and coming back and killing Asuras are occasional leela. Such work is inevitable on the part of the aspirant while he lives in this material world. Occasional leela is in existence at Goloka in a negative way. Only in this world has that been practically exhibited. For the aspirants, occasional leela which are adverse to the eternal leela have been reflected for the instruction of the devotees, aspirants will hope that those leelas will destroy their own evil.

 

Occasional leelas are:

 

(1) Killing of Putana- Putana is a deceitful Guru, teaching enjoyment and salvation. So crafty sadhus who are fond of these represent Putana-tattva. For showing mercy to His pure devotees, child Krishna kills Putana to safeguard His new born feeling in their hearts. (Sri Caitanya Shikshamritam p. 242.)

 

 

 

Putana

 

The following essay was printed in the January l932 edition of The Harmonist, or Sree Sajjanatoshani

 

The first act of New-born Infant Krishna recorded by the Bhagabatam is the slaying of the demoness Putana.

 

The demoness Putana was deputed by King Kansa to kill all the newborn babies of the realm of Brag where the Divine sage Nard that his would-be slayer had been recently born informed him. Meanwhile Sherrie Krishna had been born in Kansa's prison and had been conveyed by His father Versed to the house of His foster parents Nana and Yasoda in Braja during the night of His advent. The guards of the prison had failed to detect the movements of Vasudeb who had returned to his prison with the new-born daughter of Yosoda with whom he had exchanged His own Boy without the knowledge of Yadosa herself. Vasudeb had carried Krishna in his arms across the flooded Yamaha lashed into fury by the tempestuous water of that moon-less night. He had waded on foot the deep waters which had been turned into yawning whirlpools by the fury of the tempest. The iron chains, bolts and locks of the barred gates of the prison had opened of their own accord on the approach of Vasudeb carrying Krishna to the home of His foster parents. The daughter of Yasoda was thereupon duly reported to King Kansa as the new-born-dreaded eighth issue of Devaki. The King rushed into the prison-cell on receipt of the tidings for which he had been waiting through long years of sleepless nights.

 

He was at first willing to spare the life of the baby as the prophecy was to the effect that he would be killed by a male child, eighth issue of Vasudev and Devaki But he thought of being relieved of all possible doubts on the point by putting to death the new-born girl. As, however, King Kansa was on the point of dashing the baby on the block she escaped from the grip of the King and disclosing herself as the Deluding Energy of Godhead as she remained visible for a short time in mid-sky, assured the King of the certainty of the birth of his future slayer but dissuading him form the fruitless attempt of avoiding his fate by the cruel murder of innocent infants. Saying this Mahamaya disappeared from the view of the astounded King. Kansa was subsequently informed by the sage Narada that his future slayer must have been born among the denizens of Brag and that he was mindful of his safety he should lose no time in taking drastic measures for nipping the danger in the bud. This advice was relished by the blood-thirsty coward and he has accordingly deputed the demoness Putana to kill by an unsuspected process all the new-born infants of the surrounding country.

 

The demoness Putana accordingly made her appearance in Braja and presented herself in the home of Yasoda during the absence of Nanda who was then in Mathura to pay the tribute due from him to King Kansa. The demoness has assumed the form of a most beautiful matron with a most benignant aspect as she approached the couch where Infant Krishna had been put to sleep by Yasoda. Yasoda noticed the unknown female as she entered the house, but did not suspect any foul play. She accordingly watched the new-comer without any anxiety as she made her way to the couch of the Baby, took Him up in her arms and offered her breast to the Infant to give Him to suck. But the nipples of Putana's breast has been tipped with the deadliest poison.

 

The infant Krishna was aware of the intention of the demoness and took hold of the breast of the monster with His supple Arms. The grip of the Infant was so terribly severe that it was enough to drive the demoness to despair of her life as she was convulsed by the mortal agony of the pressure of Krishna's little Hands. The Infant then applied His lips to the breast of Putana and sucked away her life in an instant. The terrible monster bellowing with pain was compelled to disclose her own huge, loathsome demoniac form as she fell lifeless on the ground covering with her hideous carcass a long distance with Infant Krishna still clinging to her poisoned nipples.

 

Accordingly the first act of the milkmaids, who with Yasoda rushed to the spot, was to snatch the Infant Krishna from the breast of the terrible demoness. Then they all marveled how the Baby could escape unhurt from the clutches of the demoness. They attributed the safety of the Infant to the mercy of the gods who are especially kind to the helpless. The affrighted milkmaids invoked the help of all the gods and goddesses for their continued protection of the Infant.

 

Meanwhile, Putana was saved by her service to Krishna for having offered Him the suck of her poisoned breast. The author of the Bhagabatam is careful to mention that the good fortune of the demoness equaled that of Yasoda in as much as her breast had been sucked by Krishna. Putana, therefore, attained to the eternal status of the foster-mothers of the Supreme Lord in the Realm of the Absolute.

 

The above narrative of the Bhagabatam embodies a most important moral for the seekers of the Absolute. Butbefore offering the interpretations of the texts favored by the former Acharyas I would like to draw the attention of the reader to certain possible misconceptions regarding the nature of the interpretations about to be offered.

 

The transcendental meaning of the words cannot be conveyed to the senses of the conditioned soul so long as he does not agree to follow the method of submissive listening to the transcendental sound appearing on the lips of the pure devotee. There is a definite line of succession of the bonafide teachers of the truth. The bonafide teacher should be available sooner or later to the real seeker of the Truth. The bonafide Acarya is not recognizable by the hypocrites and atheists who do not really want to serve Godhead. So long therefore, as the bonafide teacher does not manifest his appearance to the pure cognitive essence of the seeker of the Absolute Truth it is necessary for the candidate for spiritual enlightenment to concentrate on self-examination to be able to avoid harboring any lurking traces of insincerity. The words of the sadhu are also available, by his causeless mercy, for bearing the efforts of such candidates, for finding out their own insincerity.

 

It is by overlooking or deliberately neglecting to undergo this preliminary training for obtaining access to the transcendental meaning of all words that the literal interpretationists who follow the ordinary lexicographical meaning of the words of the scriptures fail to understand the necessity of never deviating from the interpretations offered by the self-realized souls to whom the transcendental meaning of the words is available. Those empiricists who, while following the lexicographical and syntactical method of the literal interpretationists, do not scruple to read their own meanings into the texts under the impression that the scriptures and the products of the human brain liable to every form of error and, therefore, fit to be corrected by the equally erring caprices of other hypothetical thinkers on the ground of allegations of error that cannot be proved, are disposed to think that the interpretations offered by the Acharyas are not scrupulously faithful to the texts and offer allegorical explanations for supporting their own sectarian views.

 

These possible misunderstandings are stated to invite the attention of the reader to their bearing on the following interpretation of the narrative of Putana based on the exposition of the former Acaryas heard from the lips of the bonafide teacher of the Absolute. The interpretation is not offered as a literal lexicographical explanation nor as an allegory concocted in the light of empiric knowledge of the past history of the race and may accordingly be accepted as such. Shree Krishna manifests His Eternal birth in the pure cognitive essence of the serving soul who is located above all mundane limitations. King Kansa is the typical aggressive empiricist. He is ever on the look-out for the Appearance of the Truth for the purpose of suppressing Him before He has time to grow up. This is no exaggeration of the real connotation of the consistent empiric position. The materialist has a natural repugnance for the transcendental. He is disposed to think that faith in the incomprehensible is the parent of dogmatism and hypocrisy under the guise of religion. He is also equally under the delusion that there is and can be no really dividing line between the material and the spiritual. He is strengthened in his delusion by the interpretation of the scriptures by persons whoa re like-minded with himself. This included all the lexicographical interpreters. The lexicographical interpretation is upheld by Kansa as the real scientific explanation of the Scriptures and one that is perfectly in keeping with his dread of an aversion of the transcendental. These lexicographical interpreters are employed by Kansa in purring down the first suspected appearance of any genuine faith in the transcendental. King Kansa knows very well that if the faith in the transcendental is once allowed to grow it is sure to upset all his empiric prospects. There is historical ground for such misgivings.

 

Accordingly if the empiric domination is to be preserved intact it would be necessary not to lose a moment to put down the transcendental heresy the instant it threatens to make its appearance in right earnest. King Kansa acting on this transitional fear is never slow to take the scientific precaution of debuting empiric teachers of the scriptures backed by the resources of Dictionary and Grammar and all empiric subtleties to put down, by the show of spacious arguments based on hypothetical principles, the true interpretation of the eternal religion revealed by the scriptures. Kansa is strongly persuaded that the faith in the transcendental can be effectively put down by empiricism if prompt and decisive measures are adopted at the very outset. He attributes the failures of atheism in the past to the neglect of the adoption of such measures before the theistic fallacy has time to spread among the fanatical masses.

 

But Kansa is found to count without his host. When Krishna is born He is found to be able to upset all sinister designs against those who are apprised by Himself of His Advent. The apparently causeless faith displayed by persons irrespective of age, sex and condition may confound all rabid empiricists who are on principle averse to the Absolute Truth Whose Appearance is utterly incompatible with the domination of empiricism. But no adverse efforts of the empiricists, whose rule seems till then to be perfectly well-established over the minds of the deluded souls of this world, can dissuade any person from exclusively following the Truth when He actually manifests His birth in the pure cognitive essence of His soul.

 

Putana is the layer of all infants. The baby, when he or she comes out of the mother's womb, falls at once into the clutches of the pseudo-teachers of religion. These teacher are successful in forestalling the attempts of the good preceptor whose help is never sought by the atheists of this world at the baptisms of their children. This is ensured by the arrangements of all the established churches of the world. They have been successful only in supplying watchful Putanas for effecting the spiritual destruction of persons from the moment of their birth with the co-operation of their worldly parents. No human contrivance can prevent these Putanas from obtaining possession of the pulpits. This is due to the general prevalence of atheistic disposition in the people of this world. The church that has the best chance of survival in this damned world is that of atheism under the convenient guise of theism. The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest forms of worldliness from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are bound to recoil.

 

It is not from any deliberate opposition to the ordained clergy that these observations are made. The original purpose of the established churches of the world may not be always objectionable. But no stable religious arrangement for instructing the masses has yet been successful. The supreme Lord Shree Krishna Chaitanya in pursuance of the teaching of the scriptures enjoins all absence of conventionalism for the teachers of the eternal religion. It does not follow that the mechanical adoption of the unconventional life by any person will make him a fit teacher of religion. Regulation is necessary for controlling the inherent worldliness of conditioned souls. But no mechanical regulation has any value even for such a purpose. The bonafide teacher of the religion is neither any product nor the favorer of any mechanical system. In his hands no system has likewise the chance of degenerating is not a lifeless arrangement. The mere pursuit of fixed doctrines and fixed liturgies cannot hold a person to the true spirit of doctrine or liturgy.

 

The idea of an organized church in an intelligible form, indeed, marks the close of the living spiritual movement. The great ecclesiastical establishments are the dykes and the dams to retain the current that cannot be held by any such contrivances. They, indeed, indicate a desire on the part of the masses to exploit a spiritual movement for their own purpose. They also unmistakably indicate the end of the absolute and unconventional guidance of the bonafide spiritual teacher. The people of this world understand preventive systems, they can have no idea of the unprevented positive eternal life. Neither can there be any earthly contrivance for the permanent preservation of the life eternal on this mundane plane on the popular scale.

 

Those are, therefore, greatly mistaken who are disposed to look forward to the amelioration of the worldly state in any worldly sense from the worldly success of any really spiritual movement. It is these worldly expectants who become the patrons of the mischievous race of the pseudo-teachers of religion. the Putanas, whose congenial function is to stifle the theistic disposition at the very moment of its suspected appearance. But the real theistic disposition can never be stifled even by the efforts of those Putanas. The Putanas have power only over the atheists. It is a thankless but salutary task which they perform for the benefit of their willing victims.

 

But as soon as the theistic disposition proper makes its appearance in the pure cognitive essence of the awakened soul the Putanas are decisively silences at the very earliest stage of their encounter with new-born Krishna. The would-be slayer is herself slain. This is the reward of the negative services that the Putanas unwittingly render to the cause of theism by strangling all hypocritical demonstrations against their own hypocrisy But Putana does not at all like to receive her reward in the only form which involves the total destruction of her wrong personality. King Kansa also does not like to lose the service of the most trusted of his agents. The effective silencing of the whole race of the pseudo-teachers of religion is the very first clear indication of the Appearance of the Absolute on the mundane plane. The bonafide teacher of the Absolute heralds the Advent of Krishna by his uncompromising campaign against the pseudo-teachers of religion.

[Laulyam 0]

Sri Krsna-samhita Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur

Chapter 8 Text 20

 

dhenukah sthula-buddhih syad garddabhas tala-rodhakah

astame laksyate dosah sampradaye satam mahan

 

Subtle discrimination is extremely important for Vaisnavas. Those who invent social distinctions and preach the unbreakable principles of Vaisnavism while breaking them to suit their needs are said to possess gross discrimination.This gross discrimination takes the form of the ass Dhenuka.The ass cannot eat the sweet palm tree fruits, and he opposes others' attemps to eat them.The purport is that the previous acaryas of the authorized sampradayas have written many spiritual literatures, which people with gross discrimination neither understand nor allow others to see.Asslike devotees who are simply interested in the regulative principles and under the control of gross discrimination are unable to attain a higher platform. Vaisnava principles are so unlimitedly exalted that those who simply remain entangled in the regulative process without endeavoring to understand the science of attachment are comparable to ordinary fruitive workers. Therefore, until the ass Dhenukasura is killed, one cannot advance in the science of Vaisnavism

[theist 1]

 

Madhudvisa: Is there any way for a Christian to, without the help of a Spiritual Master, to reach the spiritual sky through believing the words of Jesus Christ and trying to follow his teachings?

 

Srila Prabhupada: I don't follow.

 

Tamal Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a Spiritual Master, but by reading the Bible, and following Jesus's words, reach the...

 

Srila Prabhupada: When you read the Bible, you follow Spiritual Master. How can you say without? As soon as you read the Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means that you are following Spiritual Master. So where is the opportunity of being without Spiritual Master?

 

Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living Spiritual Master.

 

Srila Prabhupada: Spiritual Master is not question of...Spiritual Master is eternal. Spiritual Master is eternal...So your question is 'without Spiritual Master'. Without Spiritual Master you cannot be at any stage of your life. You may accept this Spiritual Master or that Spiritual Master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible", when you read Bible that means you are following the Spiritual Master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ.

(SP Lecture, 2/10/68, Seattle )

 

And this priciole is not limited to those that call themselves Christians only. Who said it was so? Prove it!

 

Nor does the descretion to pick up sastra and follow the specific instructions of a certain teacher depend on the "blessing" of a ritvik or your local church pastor. Such people can be helpful as siksa guru's of one potency or another but they are never to be considered necessary to establish a connection with the Divine.

 

We, as marginal beings, are to excercise our will to learn and serve and that will is heard first by Caitya guru in the heart and He responds freely without first feeling obligated to have you check in with your local pastor or ritvik for some offical stamp of approval.

[theist 1]

 

"If a devotee accepts Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu as the universal guru and Lord Jagannatha as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna, he is benefited by the combined mercy of Krsna and guru." - Madhya 13.18 purport

When will this statement written by Srila Prabhupada receive the consideration it deserves in relation to this topic? One needn't feel pressed to accept some false imitation of guru especially when the real guru is eternally present with us. And that eternal connection to guru has come to the world in the most munficent form of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu who is to this day distributing the Maha mantra freely...we need only accept.

 

[Guruvani 0]

In this verse it says that the great spiritual masters are merciful to their followers as well as their disciples.

You can be a follower of a spiritual master without being a formally initiated disciple.

The followers are called anuvratānām ...

 

and they are on the same level as disciples according to this verse and purport.

 

 

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 3.7.36

 

anuvratānāḿ śiṣyāṇāḿ

putrāṇāḿ ca dvijottama

anāpṛṣṭam api brūyur

guravo dīna-vatsalāḥ

 

SYNONYMS

anuvratānām — the followers; śiṣyāṇām — of the disciples; putrāṇām — of the sons; ca — also; dvija-uttama — O best amongst the brāhmaṇas; anāpṛṣṭam — that which is not asked for; api — in spite of; brūyuḥ — please describe; guravaḥ — the spiritual masters; dīna-vatsalāḥ — who are kind to the needy.

 

 

TRANSLATION

O best among the brāhmaṇas, those who are spiritual masters are very kind to the needy. They are always kind to their followers, disciples and sons, and without being asked by them, the spiritual master describes all that is knowledge.

 

 

PURPORT

There are many subjects to be known from the bona fide spiritual master. The followers, disciples and sons are all on one level for the bona fide spiritual master, and he is always kind to them and always speaks to them on transcendental subjects, even though he is not asked by them. That is the nature of the bona fide spiritual master. Vidura appealed to Maitreya Muni to speak on subjects about which he might not have asked.

 

[sanatan 0]

 

In this verse it says that the great spiritual masters are merciful to their followers as well as their disciples.

You can be a follower of a spiritual master without being a formally initiated disciple.

The followers are called anuvratānām ...

 

and they are on the same level as disciples according to this verse and purport.

 

Thanks for posting this.

 

Very good and encouraging knowledge, as I "missed" direct connection with Srila Prabhupada in the early days, and the closest person to have possibly been diksa-guru for me was Tamal Krishna Maharaja. Since his passing, I haven't again formed this type of relationship, and don't forsee it happening in the future.

[fish 0]

 

Are you saying the GBC should be replaced if it 'does not follow'?

Who would replace it? Who watches the watchers? It all began with bona fide guru. That is what we need. Bona fide guru. Nowhere to be found at the moment.

 

Krishna speaks: address to the guru. If there is no guru why Krishna speaks? There can be you began more cleverly Krishna?

Shrila Prabhupada is pure devotee and would be silly think that pure devotee cannot to make others pure devotee. Anyone who speaks the same, that Krishna - guru. Simply repeating after Shrila Prabhupada anyone becomes qualified.

[Guest guest]

 

Simply repeating after Shrila Prabhupada anyone becomes qualified.

Then the GBC are not qualified.

[Krishna_Shakha_Dasa 0]

Hare Krishna

[fish 0]

While everyone repeats the same that Krishna speaks, he is qualified. Please try understand, that the idea to reject GBC is idea of the neophyte. Three lines should be observed simultaneously - a scripture, the guru and a sadhu. Not two lines, three. If you create two lines you create visibility of religion, formal religion, and your transport will not move. If your idea is not maintained by a scripture, it is not viable. First of all all are necessary three - a scripture, the guru and sadhu (council). The community is necessary. In council not necessarily there should be all gurus or pure devoties. Shrila Prabhupada did not deliver such idea. Сouncil can be from any most active in devotional service of people. And if from them does not correspond, it is possible to replace him with another. That is all.

[theist 1]

 

While everyone repeats the same that Krishna speaks, he is qualified.

 

More is expected of a guru than just repeating Krsna's words. Suppose someone repeats Krsna's words nicely and then after the lecture goes to bed with his godbrothers wife. And the GBC finds out and does still gives this "guru" their stamp of approval. To any intelligent person this is a clear signal that those who make up the GBC plus the phony guru are bhogus.

 

Not hard to understand.

[cbrahma 0]

 

While everyone repeats the same that Krishna speaks, he is qualified. Please try understand, that the idea to reject GBC is idea of the neophyte. Three lines should be observed simultaneously - a scripture, the guru and a sadhu. Not two lines, three. If you create two lines you create visibility of religion, formal religion, and your transport will not move. If your idea is not maintained by a scripture, it is not viable. First of all all are necessary three - a scripture, the guru and sadhu (council). The community is necessary. In council not necessarily there should be all gurus or pure devoties. Shrila Prabhupada did not deliver such idea. Сouncil can be from any most active in devotional service of people. And if from them does not correspond, it is possible to replace him with another. That is all.

You seem to be unable to distinguish between the idea of a GBC (in principle) and what passes as a GBC now. Nobody is advocated "Doing away with GBC" in principle - just this horribly corrupt version of it.

[looking 0]

all I can say is "hmmm?"

[Murali_Mohan_das 0]

 

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 3.7.36

PURPORT

There are many subjects to be known from the bona fide spiritual master. The followers, disciples and sons are all on one level for the bona fide spiritual master, and he is always kind to them and always speaks to them on transcendental subjects, even though he is not asked by them. That is the nature of the bona fide spiritual master. Vidura appealed to Maitreya Muni to speak on subjects about which he might not have asked.

This is classic!!!

How many times have we sat at the foot of Gurudev wishing we had a question to ask? How many times have our heads filled with the most trivial and silly of questions with which to pester Gurudev?

Yet, so patiently, he tells us what we *NEED* to know, not necessarily what we *WANT* to know!!

Jai Gurudev!!!