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Srila Prabhupada is avatara Lord Caitanya, ordinary guru not embodiment. ***paramatma is krsna, krsna is radhe, krsna + radhe is chaitanya mahaprabhu, chaitanya is nityananda and pancha tattva and so on Needs stady sastra and lees see TV.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur as partial embodiment Gadadhara Pandit operated in role Laksmi devi or Rukmini devi, blessing a material world. For devotees Krisna lila or for those who cultivates mood Krisna lila, Gadadhara Pandit it Radharani is direct, but real Srimati Radharani she is Lord Caitanya in Gaura lila. Bhaktivinoda Thakur did not make comments on mood of separation, but only has referred on Svarupa Damodara in this connection, having told in Jaiva Dharma that this highest mood. The mood vipralambha as is present at Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, that as Srila Prabhupada much quotes, but as a whole, in doctrine Bhaktivinoda Thakur, it is not underlined, it is possible in connection with sermon Srila Bhaktivinoda babajis including. Bhaktivinoda Thakur as embodiment Laksmi devi, blesss all very generously. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati has presented an ideal of direct relations Krisna lila, including having specified on various sorts of deceivers and sahajiyas in the work " Prakrita rasa ". Srila Bhaktisidhanta Thakur left a body in mood vipralambha, that speaks about His spiritual priorities. Srila Prabhupada, Bhaktivedanta Svami, has finished work of all sampradaya having given us sastra explaining and initiating us in this supreme mood Lord Caitanya. Actually since times Gosvamis and before Srila Prabhupada's arrival nobody preached this supreme mood Lord Caitanya so directly. Madhavendra Puri the first who has shown this primary seed of pure fidelity was. Lord Caitanya "has developed" and has brought up a huge tree from small seed planted Srila Madhavendra Puri. This primary mood Madhavendra Puri also is essence of all Gaura lila. Thus crowning a statement of a science of fidelity, Srila Prabhupada preaches this supreme mood Lord Caitanya - Gaura vani. Certainly, Srila Prabhupada operates as and in mood Lord Nityananda, but it is more external aspect or this mood which not so dominates. As Lord Nityananda, Lord Narayana, Srila Prabhupada will destroy all atheism together with impersonalism and sahajiism without problems, in this sense the spiritual master is assisted by everything, all spiritual world. Srila Prabhupada training in the supreme mood Lord Caitanya, therefore did not welcome references to anothers acaryas sampradaya, in the certain context, for that what to learn the person to the highest understanding of a spiritual life. Precisely just as practice of direct relations Krisna lila He has named - " practice for neophytes ". In any case of what to understand or especially to practise direct relations, it is necessary to understand before it about what it is spoken in nine songs Srimad Bhagavatam. And how and proceeding from what motives has reached perfection Dhruva Maharaja, to understand what essence of pure fidelity Prahlada Maharaja ( Haridasa Thakura or in a similar example Jesus Christ ), to an embodiments of a nonviolence in a spiritual life and as to understand as servant Sri Hanuman serves the Lord perfect, to come nearer thus to world Dvaraka and Pandavas even more deeply to realize lectures Bhagavad Gita. Mood Srila Madhavendra Puri - Lord Caitanya, is essence mahabhava - Srimati Radharani and Srila Prabhupada actually conducts the person on this level. Srila Prabhupada was in this mood mahabhava Lord Caitanya without doubts and as has shown attributes 21 hour ecstasies which showed Gosvamis Vrindavan. This mood which is not known by anybody, except for three persons and is not present the fourth. The secret and essence Gaura lila as will be, that all approached devotee Lord Caitanya such as Srivasa Pandit, the head of all devotees Lord Caitanya, all of them, it is direct expansion Lord Caitanya. Therefore all of them, in a different degree it is possible, are in this mood. It perhaps the most maximum understanding of unity with God and most likely the highest degree of relations Lord - Gaura vani. The most secret. It is present in view of what Lord Caitanya has opened locks from all secrets and freely distributes most secrets things. Srila Prabhupada has quite presented in the books all philosophy Gosvamis and as Bhaktivinoda Thakur and the spiritual master, the great acarya and the best well-wisher for all devotees Krisna lila - Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakura! This day has come - Srila Prabhupada, Bhaktivedanta Svami, Abhay Caran, thousand and thousand bows to Him has made all. Besides that He has distributed this movement Lord Caitanya worldwide ( but meanwhile it only the beginning), He as initiated all in the most secret devoted service and the highest races of fidelity. Srivasa Pandit one of those who least communicated with Lord Caitanya during this last period of a life Lord Caitanya - antya lila was. But He was one of those who understood Him most. Thus being in this mood Lord Caitanya in Kamarahatta, after "ending" of games Gaura lila, leaving this world, Srivasa Thakur has thrown last sight at a material world. And his this sight, this instant which has been stretched for 12 years of the sermon in the Western world, this experience and dialogue with Lord Caitanya also it is embodied in His books for us - books of His divine Grace Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada. For Srivasa Thakura Gaura lila here it is finished, but for us she only begins and in this sense, nevertheless, He always will be to be present here, with us. Srila Prabhupada devotes us in various subtleties and essence of devoted service - bhakti and philosophies of fidelity - vedanta on what true, pure fidelity to the God is based. --------------------- Vande'ham sri-guruh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam

Who can be idealer than such pair as Radha and Krisna!!? All devotees and the nature assists this union... ----------------------- Falling soul in a material world, there is undoubtedly deep drama. But as far as drama Gaura lila is deeper? Lord Caitanya as uttama adhikari, sees everyone as the friend. And even the suffering, conditioned soul, He sees as the ally. Having started the sermon of Krishna Consciousness, Lord Caitanya is executed happiness. But gradually He starts to understand, that cannot reach the God. Day and night He experiences this condition. _О the conditioned soul! We brothers with you by misfortune. But I was not capable to forget the to mountain and in it my failure. But not looking at forgetfulness souls, in depth of heart of everyone, there is this primary the reason of material sufferings. Sufferings of soul in a material world are deep, but unless it is possible to compare them to sufferings Sri Caitanya? Lord Caitanya everywhere searches for a shelter. How, it is possible to break off this vicious circle? As far as He well understands an spirit souls in this sense. In infinite quantity time, the God understands tragedy of everyone, experiencing the infinite emotion. That as is one of His reasons unprecedented blessings. O Krisna, you ocean of compassion! Here there is a hope for everyone, but whether there is a hope for Sri Caitanya? We can be given to some oblivion, but Lord Caitanya does not forget Krisna never. We as can be happy, serving Krisna, but Lord Caitanya, constantly, every instant understands the separated from the God. All world serves the Lord, but the golden moon only drops, similar to brilliants, tears. _ O Radha! now all past for you, brings only a pain. All Vrindavan now became a source of sufferings. What can be intolerable left happiness and feeling of full powerlessness? _ Dusty streets and peacocks, probably sympathize with you, but unless can give it what that consolation? But trying to understand you, the person gradually forgets the everything else. The person forgets own sufferings as it is insignificant. ----- As far as we are adhered to those who are dear to us? It is quite possible, what is possible to express feeling of happiness but as far as is deeper and the grief of loss is inexpressible? And the material world again and again immerses us in this grief, that gradually finds out her primary reason. We find out the reason of the suffering that have left the one who was to the relative for us. And our happiness grows day after day thus. But then, we find out deeper reason or a primary source of sufferings. These are those "sufferings" which form of spiritual happiness is. And as spiritual sufferings are a primary source of all spiritual happiness, therefore Lord Caitanya has accepted this mood forever. In a material world there is nothing eternal. Therefore there are expressions which very much pacify our heart - " Lord Caitanya is in this mood eternally. " And when we in small even degrees realize essence of these emotions, we find thus as an eternal shelter. As in precisely the same way the person realizes essence of an spiritual world. ----- Nevertheless being it is so much in ignorance how me understand that sufferings can to be a source of happiness? I test so much anxieties in this occasion. There are so much people which are happy and only at me one constantly all is not joined in a spiritual life. What that unknown force overturns one my plan behind another. I was so is happy in Krishna Consciousness, but all where that has disappeared. I am brought down with sense. But I now simply do not have other choice! Now I clearly understand that that the choice is not present. Therefore I go further. And in what moment the person begins that realized as far as she is remote from the God. But now this remoteness in not clear image why that gives rise to confidence. Such remoteness from the Lord does devotee very steady, it as gives rise also to set of other qualities. So devotee receives two gifts. The first gift - it has experience of direct relations. And the second gift - now it has spiritual experience when Lord Caitanya, in madness, does by his "attorney". (it is obvious that the reason of it, simply transcendental madness Lord Caitanya. But if to tell more authoritatively, the reason of they be His mood prema bhakti). ------ Moods of a meeting and separation alternate in Krisna lila, but in Gaura lila meetings are not present. This ocean of ecstasy Lord Caitanya of dark color from saturation. Also it is impossible to see coast of this ocean in any direction. Lord Caitanya is unique who owns him. And this ocean of emotions of a maha bhava absorbs Him so, that He never leaves this mood. Huge waves are rolled on this ocean, giving rise it is so much changes in a body Lord Caitanya. There is no limit to happiness in a meeting but as there is no limit and at separation. The Lord, is the unique reason of happiness in a meeting, but there is an infinite quantity of the reasons of happiness in separation. ------ Thus Krisna has filled with infinite happiness all. And thus the material world as to become a source of infinite happiness in Krishna Consciousness or mood Lord Caitanya. Therefore Lord Caitanya and His devotees eternally preach, travelling on spiritual and to material worlds, not seeing a difference between them. Somewhat the material world even approaches in this sense better. Probably therefore in Siksastaka it is told - " a life after a life "? I do not think that this certain literary ornament. Certainly, it would be desirable again and again to ask Krisna - " please, let this my life would be last " ( nevertheless as it a little - one life ). Therefore such uttama adhikari in mood Lord Caitanya as Srila Prabhupada know all in the perfect, ideal image. They as do not do any mistakes in general. I earlier not so trusted, hearing such statements. But uttama besides that he knows essentially everything, He as possesses specific vision, which completely spiritually and correctly. The only thing, that somewhat not so simply to understand uttama adhikari (even and in the theory). Such mood does the person very irreconcilable to any deviation ( o my God ), that it is possible to see in Lord Caitanya, that at him the approached satellites was only 3,5. Though for example Paramanada Puri was so strong, that Lord Caitanya accepted at him a shelter. Eight sannyasis, it is roots huge a tree Lord Caitanya and the central or basic root of this tree it Paramanada Puri. It is possible to try to guess as far as Lord Caitanya was grateful Paramanada Puri. Also it is possible to guess limits of power and qualities Srila Paramanada Puri only. Such mood does the person very irreconcilable to any deviation that it is possible to see on Srila Prabhupada's example which it is simple kick out all categories of materialists from a material world (!) /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif ----- Srila Prabhupada about mood Lord Caitanya- "Oh, I am so wretched, I could not serve Krsna. How I can see Krsna? It is not possible." In this way. That is the teaching of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. "But even though I do not see Him, neither it is possible for me to see Him..." Means: "What I am? I am insignificant person. Why Krsna come and see me?" This is right. "Why shall I aspire after seeing Krsna? What qualification I have got?" This is bhajana. This is bhajana. Why should I be proud that "Now I shall see Krsna"? What I am? That is the teaching of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Adarsana. "Without giving me audience, You kill me, You break my heart; still, You are my Lord, You are my worshipable Lord, nobody else." This is love. This is love. (Bengali) Asan krsna galai diba naiva beja tata(?). Not like that. "Krsna may not come. I may not see Krsna for thousands and thousands of lives. I may rot in the hellish condition of life for many, many births. That doesn't matter. Still, I cannot give up Kanea consciousness." This is required. "I may be sent to hell, heaven; it doesn't matter. What qualification I have got that I want to see back to home, back to Godhead? It is not so easy thing. So why should I be sorry for that? I should be happy even in the hell simply by thinking of Krsna." That is wanted. That is wanted. That is Krsna consciousness. So here is the example. Tears by force are coming out: "Oh, Krsna is going away." At the same time, they want to check: "There may not be any inauspicity for Krsna." They’re thinking Krsna, for Krsna, not for personal self. "Oh, I am now crying. I have become very much fortunate. I am crying for Krsna." No. "My crying will create inauspicity for Krsna, I must check it." This is Krsna consciousness. ------- Vande'ham sri-guruh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam

***the problem is that you want to kill the collaboration between devotees (=organization) and to increase blaspheming, offence and insults Gm try use ISKCON. They do aparadha constant. I am write some they pfilosopi mistakes, it is not ofence. ***if you were sometimes speaking of the prabhupada-gaudya math subject and sometimes of krsna katha i would take it as an opinion difference and there's no problem We discuss all aspects, it is spiritual aspects. ***but you are constantly, obstinately and maniacally speaking of this and freely insulting everyone you think (wrongly) the is not connected with srila prabhupada No any insult. I am write many artikles aboyt krisna but in russian. You do not know russian? Here i am write some principial things and me ANSWER on ofence GM. I am not has big site for ofences, i am not write books ofences about SP and ISKCON. Then go for this people and speak they about ofences. VNN some stey pacifully, it is good. I am some training this "devotees". /images/graemlins/smile.gif ***this obstination is especially ill and strange Yes, ofences ISKCOn wery strange. Big sites "vaisnava" like VNN with aparadha it is strange. Yes, you right. ***are you initiated? is your guru agree with your mission of blaspheme the vaishnavas? No any blaspheme. Take me citation with me blaspheme. Some gurus write books with blaspheme. You see? ***do you chant any round or you spend all the time hating others? Who are you? If i am write "sankara names" it is blaspheme? You adecuatte? (?) ***i will follow you not if you criticize others, but if i see you helping others Yes it is help. Pls citation. I am not write - "hotels ISKCON". ***in this way i will say "oh.. kailas is very good, let us follow him also in other ideas" I am do not worry good kailasa or bad. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I am not stay like fool and read aparadha big mans. ***so demonstrate please that you can sometime stop this quarrel and behave like a devotee Who are you? May you me guru? Or me father? You so nice know spiritual life? YOU know who devotee and who not devotee? It is goos joking. I am wait you answer.

***I came here for Krsna consciousness, not institution consciousness. If KC real exist ( spiritual bliss ), then religion expand. It is real all religions. If you follow "single guru" it is some more worse institution. "Single guru" has own not good institution. Any way in Gaura lila has many gurus, acaryas and devotees and all of them stay in organisation. All kirtanas be organisation. All prasad be organisation. All preach be organisation. Material world it is material organisation, spiritual world it is spiritual organisation. Material world has organisation, becausa SPIRITUAL world has organisation. Yes?

***I'm very glad you benefit from reading it, Yes, thanks. ***but I can't say that I agree with your sectarian interpretation. Srila Prabhupada acarya, He is bhagavata acarya. No any sistem "single guru". "Singke guru for big blind sraddha" it is sectarian interpretation parampara. This sectarian interpretation do not ANY case for SBST or SP. It is not gaudiya it is sectarian interpretation. Exuse me friend.

"Some of our soldiers will die." You can't expect that not a single soldier of your party will not die. Still the fight must go on. The fight cannot be stopped. So fight like brave soldiers, Krsna will help you. Don’t make any compromise. No truce with these demons. Our fighting weapon is the Hare Krsna movement. " "Some of our soldiers will die. Still the fight must go on. " "Don’t make any compromise. No truce with these demons. " Srila Prabhupada exelent.

GM appoint one "acarya". It is not vedic.

It is about "acaryas" GM. GBC ISKCON not create guru. If person follow 1st upadesamrita he is go GBC and GBC take him PERMISSION. GBC not create gueus.

Whether thus it is possible to try to understand there was when " an armchair acarya " in vaisnavism? The vivid example is Lord Caitanya who in the first formally had no disciples and which for example in relation to Paramananda Puri occupied subordinated, in the certain sense, position. Head Gosvamis was Svarupa Damodara and besides who among Gosvamis occupied " an armchair acarya "? Rupa Gosvami Sanatana Gosvami studied from Raghunatha Gosvami. " Because Raghunatha dasa Gosvami was an assistant to Svarupa Damodara, he knew much about the external and internal features of the pastimes of Lord Caitanya. Thus the two brothers Rupa and Sanatana always used to hear of this from him. " And summarized doctrine Gosvamis Jiva Gosvami. Well and who from them was in " an armchair acarya "? It is simply full nonsense. Among many devotees can be mentioned in parampara one-two devotee, but it does not mean at all that they has been appointed and " sat in an armchair " acarya? If for example Rupa Gosvami it is rasa - acarya nobody appointed His to this post, such things occur on the fact. Brahmananda Puri were the head of all sanyasas Lord Caitanya. Vakrisvara Pandit who was the head of all dancers. Sri Vijaya dasa who was the main thing among those sang. Buddhimanta Khan were the main thing among servants. Among four basic satellites Lord Caitanya Ramananda Ray in exclusive position has been written (he was in an armchair acarya?). In Jaganatha Puri main are allocated - Paramananda Puri, Svarupa Damodar, Gadadhara, jagadananda, Sankara, Vakrisvara, Damodar Pandit, Haridasa Thakur, Raghunatha vaidya and Raghunatha dasa. And whom from them Lord Caitanya has appointed in " an armchair acarya "? All. From all numerous followers Gadadhara Pandit was four basic - Sri Dhruvananda, Sridhara brahmacari, Haridasa brahmacari and Raghunatha Bhagavatacarya. Where here forgive the one who is in an armchair acarya? Gadadhara Pandit in fact should leave after itself whom that in an armchair acarya? At Gadadhara Pandit, Advaita Acarya, Nityananda Prabhu, Srivasa Thakura there was an infinite quantity of followers and the guru and anybody from them did not leave " one acarya ". Main among disciples and main among acaryas, singers, dancers and so on, it is those devotees, whose position is obvious all. Main among disciples Lord Caitanya were Rupa and Sanatana Gosvami and who appointed them to this place and what " they main, all who are not consent should to leave a society? " That for nonsense? Among those who helped Rupa Gosvami in " bhakti ratnokara" 21 devotees and whom has appointed Rupa Gosvami from them the main? In this transfer is not present even Raghunatha Gosvami and Jiva Gosvami? Acarya or the leader he "becomes" as acarya natural way. As it was clearly explained by Srila Prabhupada - " acarya nobody appoints ". Srila Bhaktisidhanta Thakur did not appoint after itself any successors as those who wants to declare in the artificial image itself whom that try to invent it. To embody "spirituality" in the administrative way. Srila Prabhupada has appointed after itself some disciples what to establish it principle GBC simply. In days of Lord Caitanya there was no necessity to establish GBC because GBC or the general management of grown-ups devotees, existed natural way and so in a society was varnasrama at that time. In parampara it is for example mentioned jaganatha dasa babaji which was not diksa guru Bhaktivinoda Thakura. This circuit of physical continuity at all has no special sense. In continuity the most basic persons are mentioned and they do not appear a method of "appoint". Gaurakisora dasa babaji was not appointed as acarya from Bhaktivinoda Thakura. And Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur was not appointed acarya " in an armchair " from Gaurakisora dasa babaji. Srila Prabhupada was not appointed acarya from Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur. Vyasa did not appoint " in an armchair " Madhva. And Narada Muny did not appoint Vyasa " in an armchair " acarya. Lord Caitanya has set acaryas and any of them is not appointed also any of them did not operate separately. If only Vallbhacarya? But Vallbhacarya itself also has appointed himself. TRUE acarya creates many guru and he does not appoint whom that the main thing " in an armchair " - that that could eat successfully all others acaryas. TRUE acarya many guru and all these gurus creates operate in common, real spirituality is those. Therefore the system of "appoint" acaryas completely material system and until then while who that will follow such invented and through to materialistic system, this "armchair" will continuously transfer on parampara envy and a different sort of gamble, under a kind of great spirituality.

SB describes a way of spiritual life. The mistake in that that FORMALLY having studied SB the person tries to reach "siddha". Formally having read SB, then the person Krisna lila as listens to entertaining histories. Therefore not having realization, it is very difficult to be engaged in meditation on Krisna lila not as profanation process. The secret is those that if we develop CONSISTENTLY. That the person is happy then ALWAYS. All material desires "siddha" it simply a dissatisfaction. Sometimes it as envy somewhat - " I want the supreme, the maximum taste. " (as a material reflection) Therefore if the person develops consistently she realizes consistently all spiritual categories. Heart is profaned by set of qualities and SB and there is a way of clarification of heart. One by one adverse qualities burn down on fire SB or in our attachment to heroes SB. Thus devotee it is happy ALWAYS and his position transcendental ALWAYS. It somewhat all spiritually all - siddha. It is way NATURAL attachment and natural (spontaneous) development is those. But in our case occurs so - I formally something has read. What that unqualified "guru" has told to me that " madhurya in the best way ". And consequently I as the fool, not go any preliminary steps, try to jump there. Thus I continue to worship materialists neglecting such great persons as for example Prithu Maharaja. If some materialist will give me of a few money is ready to do to him puja, but the great sages, the perfect persons bearing the blessing to all world of me does not interest. As I do not have any reason for the sermon, but I try thus to begin "gopi" basing as a matter of fact simply on material feelings. It simply conditionality. Should be so (according to sastra)- One by one adverse qualities burn down on fire SB. I find out so much great persons! I try to follow in the steps great devotees. I have found myself thus. I AM CONNECTED now by attachment and have plunged understanding of spiritual categories or during a spiritual life directly. This perfect knowledge and fidelity SB became my internal life. And as the culmination! As top! I see a shining couple - Sri Sri Radha and Krishna. Yes, strong desire to become a source of such vision. But the desire proceeds from spiritual process. Set of blessings SB lift the person on top of a spiritual life. Such ascention can occur in the different image. But the fact, that SB is standard process of a spiritual life. Really way Goswamis it vipralambha sowing. It is even higher. Devotes service is spontaneous. Therefore somewhat fidelity is not adjusted mechanically. Completely perfect there is nobody. At least Srila Prabhupada's final verdict on this question is those - " while the person is in a material body of her it is impossible to recognize perfect ". Therefore devotee cleen as far as it is possible for him. But restrained devotee will never count itself pure. Therefore he never applies for something high. It is way vipralambha bhava. Vipralambha can be a preliminary stage. But vipralambha can be as also a final stage. SBT writes that the person should occupy equal position between Krisna lila and Gaura lila. I think that it is some standard. Though we cannot mechanically adjust such things. Therefore by virtue of that devotee has the internal specific propensities one can prevail or other mood. It occurs spontaneous or natural. Therefore if the person follows by SB that it has many advantages - the person is happy at all stages (envy recedes) - he develops very steadily - at that time when for him 10 song becomes really ACTUAL - he has good preliminary spiritual experience (which always it is meant) - not having realized greatness of the God, all other meditations will be material accordingly - thus the person can well preach and to much to help - devotee can well understand that he makes - it is madhyama adhikara Gosvamis describe meditation on siddha deha meaning the consecutive approach. Therefore if we are given thus that relations shown natural image. At that moment when the person go thus, she leaves other worship Visnu tattvas. But if not having reached this level we " leave worship Visnu tattvas ", it is profanation of a spiritual life. The guru helps to establish relations, but in due time. Therefore if you do not hasten also receive all faster. In Russia speak - " hasten, when you catch fleas ". /images/graemlins/smile.gif Therefore when we hasten with siddha deha thus we shall catch a flea only. Therefore- - I should worship the God in Greatness (Narottama dasa Thakur) and thus me anarthas will be gradually destroyed - Feeling clearing, devotee it becomes qualified in understanding of set spiritual category tests taste in discussion of spiritual themes - Receiving darsana than various Deities and devotee, devoted clear is farther - Thus his natural the spiritual nature in what that the moment starts to be shown gradually and in what that the moment it becomes simple the fact - And till this moment or after that the mood Lord Caitanya can start to dominate It is possible to learn the theory about " siddha deha " for calmness of mind. And in practice it seems to me what better to operate consistently. As it is possible to accept responsibility for the sermon for example and then your position will be ideal. Thanks.

Trying to find an opportunity to serve devotees Lord Caitanya, I address to you, Srila Prabhupada. I know that You greatest of devotee so please, accept my attempts to serve to Yours servants, in what position I would not be. Protect me from all kinds false religions. I shall be better let a lunatic in true religion, than I shall test "happiness" following false religion. As there is one of forms of madness. Your true disciples are so devoted to You, that though I never saw you, I cannot tell it. I cannot tell that never saw You because it will be a lie. I know, what even following only to one manual from your books, it is possible to excel gradually. Both such manuals tens and hundred thousand. So let even one Your manual always will be with me where I would not be. As true a maha bhagavata you can use actually all in devoted service. Therefore I do not ask about protection from karma-activity, speculations and other. Simply give me intelligence as it is possible to use all this in devoted service. Knowing Your power, I as have hope under all circumstances to be connected with devoted service. As to a spiritual life everything, that you promised and your disciples, it is executed. Even serving sometimes that who is spiritually imperfect and even when I do not operate consistently enough, in the incomprehensible image, the spiritual understanding comes. There are so much people which days and nights repeat - " siddha, siddha, siddha " and as a rule why that such repeaters nobody siddha still till now much. All glory to You! Because everything, that You do, perfect. I am quite satisfied with what simply physically to serve your servants or servants of their servants, but your disciples gave me all components for the true spiritual life. Really the favour is always causeless. Therefore having learned secret of dialogue with You, I always try to serve the spiritual master. I do not know that finds out set devotees about "true" gurus and "not true" gurus and that they have achieved thus. Having even there is some desire to serve and as inevitably having received intelligence from Your books for what it is necessary to read them on a regular basis, trying to understand and trying to follow them, anyone can see things as they are. In my opinion, many places, looks as an impassable jungle. And the set of peoples has got confused in this jungle. Thus they try that that to represent and prove something to this world or to itself most likely. Therefore if I shall be born here, please Srila Prabhupada I ask You, make so, that I never would get in such jungle. In this life you have sent me the best Yours disciples and frequently I recollect each of them which all together, are similar to set of jewelry of Your divine favour. Srila Prabhupada samadhi. Such great demigods as Lord Brahma use an opportunity to Srila Prabhupada mission. When the message Lord Brahma about Srila Prabhupada identity has reached here, all gopis danced in triumph! Because everyone know, that as soon as Prabhupada arrives - all world becomes devoted. All Vrindavan knows, that if you arrived to what that place devoted service is established as the inevitable fact. Depth of feelings Lord Caitanya is those, what even those who resists to Him, He gives them blessing for a spiritual life. It is those your eternal samadhi and fidelity Lord Caitanya. And as You came to teach the supreme science of devoted service, therefore in this sense You reject everything, except for this Supreme mood Lord Caitanya. Also the supreme sense expression " jagat guru " is those. ----------------- Child in Vrindavana call to You - " Prabhupada! ". You turn around. And laugh.

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Bhaktivedanta Trust International (BHAKTI): Serving the Vaisnava Community Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja has instructed me to announce the formation of Bhaktivedanta Trust International (BHAKTI), a trust dedicated to the preaching mission of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu following in the line of Srila Rupa Gosvami and those Gaudiya Vaisnava acaryas in his line (parampara). Formed in late August of 2003, the Trust is the culmination of our Gurudeva's long-held desire to establish a foundation that will present the teachings of our acaryas, facilitate the global preaching efforts of Gaudiya Vaisnavism, and foster the practice of bhakti-yoga to one and all. We offer millions of obeisances to our guru-varga and petition them to bless this humble undertaking. In particular, we fervently invoke the blessings and protection of nitya-lila pravista om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja. We also pray to nitya-lila pravista om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja to bless our preaching efforts, and to nitya-lila pravista om visnupada jagad-guru Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami to inspire, guide and protect us. We pray to Sri Nityananda Prabhu, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Yugala-kisora Sri Sri Radha Vinoda-bihariji that by these efforts we may please our revered acaryas in the line of Sri Rupa and Ragunatha dasa Gosvamis. Srila Gurudeva wants the Trust to serve all the devotees, and to be guided by the essential principle of love and affection. Srila Gurudeva's desire is that the devotees feel free to participate in the aims and objectives of the Trust, and – of their own accord – to receive encouragement, advice and support from the Trust to help them succeed in their respective preaching efforts. Srila Gurudeva expressly wants that the Trust will not create self-serving hierarchies and "management" structures that interfere in the affairs of individual devotees or group preaching projects. Rather, he wants the Trust to function as an "advice bureau" that devotees independently consult on how to make their activities complimentary and harmonious with Srila Gurudeva's desire and instructions. To this end and in his function as founder-Chairman and autocrat-spiritual master, Srila Gurudeva will oversee and guide the Trust on how to execute its functions and effectively serve the interests of the devotee community. Thus, Srila Gurudeva is the final spiritual arbiter in all Trust matters. It is also Srila Gurudeva's desire and order that the Trust protect his copyright, properties and assets. Srila Gurudeva wants the administration of the Trust to be transparent and available to the devotee community for their scrutiny, thereby encouraging them to offer their input, advice and energy to Trust functions. In essence, the Trust will not take executive decisions on local devotee preaching projects, but will advise on those projects in response to queries initiated by the devotees themselves. While this can be done by individuals, Srila Gurudeva has suggested that where possible preaching interests and activities be independently organised and administered by devotee committees composed of devotees active in those respective fields. The Trust will also provide a central source of information and, where appropriate, resource to the devotees for their respective grass-roots preaching projects. Thus, the Trust is not in any way a "governing body" but a vehicle for serving and facilitating devotees who are interested to practice and preach bhakti-yoga. Srila Gurudeva's instructions are that the Trust serve the devotee community by providing a flexible, organic, responsive, dynamic structure that helps our sanga grow in the unrestricted flow of bhakti. He encourages all devotees to participate in whatever way they can to make the Trust successful in its aims and objectives. Aspiring to serve Sri Guru and the Vaisnavas Bhudhara dasa

"Guru Maharaj, here some rumors are going on that you have left "Sri Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti", and that you have made a separate organization. Is it true? We have no particular information in this regard, therefore we don't know what to answer other devotees". ANSWER: "Please be strong and sincere in all your spiritual practices, this is what Srila Gurudeva is for warding to you in special and to all other devotees as well". ... "I HAVE NOТ LEFT SRI GAUDIYA VEDANTA SAMITI BUT I DO NOT WISH TO BE ENGAGED IN MANAGEMENT SERVICES. I WANT TO BE A GENERAL MEMBER LIKE PUJYAPAD BHAKTIVEDANTA TRIVIKRAM MAHARAJ. PLEASE INFORM ALL THE DEVOTEES NOT TO BE WORRIED FOR THIS. I HAVE INAUGURATED A NEW SOCIETY IN ORDER TO ORGANIZE ALL THE WESTERN DEVOTEES. THE NEW SOCIETY IS CALLED 'BHAKTI'. Tridandi-bhiksu Bhaktivedanta Narayana

Thus as to SCSM. Srila Prabhupada an embodiment Lord Caitanya. - He speaks about it repeatedly - The bona fide pranama made by Him, speaks about it - His mood and the sermon specifies on Lord Caitanya Therefore those who Lord Nityananda they simply speak that He an embodiment - They cannot understand His position - Meaningly belittle Srila Prabhupada's position Most likely that the second, why - Because Srila Prabhupada Himself spoke that they simply envy Him and try to use Him or His mission, is especial in the future. - Because SCSM openly writes that she heads sampradaya including ISCKON (it is meant, and sometimes and is spoken directly) - They specify on Srila Prabhupada's "mistakes" and it is rather persevering and as write these insults openly as have already ceased to distinguish where insults and where is not present. Further - Srila Prabhupada did not preach mood of a meeting and as is not in madhurya in Krisna lila, therefore expression - " at lotus stop Radha - Krisna " it basically if specify on madhurya race it is a mistake and in the second it not corresponds Srila Prabhupada's mood. It quite corresponds to mood babaji and the some people GM for which direct relations are the standard and "rupanuga", but it is not the standard in Srily Prabhupada's sermon. Therefore we appreciate Srila Prabhupada's glorifications, or I personally appreciate such glorifications, but is more concrete - it not is adequate. Even - " He is more than millions jagat guru ", this very good glorification, but will be more exact so - " He heads all gurus and all parampara, therefore we leave all ideas and inventions and we follow Him ". In general if who that applies that he above than Srila Prabhupada that in that case the more the person will "glorify" Srila Prabhupada the more it will be obvious self-glorification. So appeared what not CSM heads parampara. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Not CSM or Narayana Svami heads parampara, that it is simple to understand. Sridhara Svami one of set of spiritual teachers, but Srila Prabhupada repeatedly and very clearly explained that anybody from His brothers in the God is not acarya. It if to quote Srila Prabhupada very softly in this connection. He appreciated Sridhara Svami in the certain degree but as on the other hand very clearly saw all accompanying things both spoke about it and wrote about it. Obviously that Srila Prabhupada appreciated the His disciples more than Sridhara Svami. Among GM He spoke that Sridhara Svami the best, yes it is the fact. Nevertheless for example Puri Maharaja Shrila Prabhupada writes - " you unique who do not envy me. " Pay attention "unique" and that, proceeding from this position Puri Maharaja is possible to tell that even better. /images/graemlins/smile.gif But all the same disciples Srila Prabhupada were even more dear to Him on what there is a set of the facts. GM cannot understand one SIMPLE thing. That while they are divided on "acaryas" they are useless, they do not follow thus SBST, Srila Prabhupada, that's all. Very simply. Further. Sridhara Svami has written some books and probably these books can be useful to whom that in a spiritual life. But hardly it is possible to tell that these books have some indisputable character, as some positions of these books quite some dispute or especially too context. Obviously that statement Sridhara Svami has more integral character than these or those brothers in the God. Some positions of books Sridhara Svami have value in my opinion, but it it has value in some interreligious dialogue and as in the general approach by a spiritual life. Sridhara Svami one of few from GM who was conscious has kept internal fidelity to the guru as a whole, it is clear that disintegration GM already other question. I do not know how these books have been certainly created, is impression that it is compilation from lectures Sridhara Svami. Certainly it would be desirable to have the full review of all lectures in that case because different sort of compilation are made frequently simply " on topic of the day ", in this sense from such compilations it is not possible to understand a position of the author. For example in ISKCON it is possible to receive all written down lectures of any guru. We have Srila Prabhupada's all lectures for example. Thus it is possible to understand a position of the person more full. The certain openness is a spiritual attribute, and the certain closeness it too an attribute. As to " there has come time to distribute doctrine Sridhara Svami " forgive but such doctrine is not present, and if is, please acquaint us with it, even because it will be similar to be distributed widely. /images/graemlins/smile.gif If CSM has decided to head ISKCON what to speak about all sampradaya please, acquaint us with this doctrine. " Sridhara Svami it Rupa Gosvami ". I do not know who it have thought up or whence this information but if there comes an embodiment that - sastra speaks about it - sadhu confirm it - And as sastra specifies attributes of an embodiment Obviously that if we completely shall accept Prabhupada's authority that such statement that " Sridhara Svami it Rupa Gosvami " obviously will not sustain any criticism. Therefore CSM "accepts" Srila Prabhupada very artfully, they it is simple in words glorify Him a little, but really is not present, do not accept. They "accept" Srila Prabhupada as The one who simply serves them "cutting through" road to the West - " Sridhara Svami it is bow has let out arrow - Srilu Prabhupada ". Forgive me for such "citations", but quite publicly they will desire to write all this. This following insult CSM of Srila Prabhupada. There is no Sridhara Svami not embodiment Rupa Gosvami and CSM as cannot simply apply for a certain imaginary position on set of the obvious facts. It is possible to assume certainly that such statements it softly to tell errors or is simple some inadequacy in perception, but sometimes it would be desirable to qualify all this much more precisely. They never read Srila Rupa Gosvami? GM exists only for one reason - as ISKCON preaches, greater "expansion" from some from them meanwhile does not proceed alas and even it is not planned. Some from GM profess thieves', forgive, as a matter of fact a politics and duplicity which began already simply in blood at the some people. Well that there, they the successors, studying to true knowledge, "rupanugas", and poor ISKCON follows "only" an embodiment Lord Nitayanada - " Nitayanada gives only the ticket ". It is simply amazing, as far as well Srila Prabhupada of them has described. " Search for true where it was " (at us - CSM). " The true disciples does not stop on achieved and searches for true further ". Amazingly, all such fools that understand nothing, and what who that qualifies it as the valuable sermon? As to disciples ISKCON so among GM too there is still a sharing between GM " who at whom that has taken ". In this connection ISKCON very correctly acts that who releases all it wants. The only thing, that as a rule all such disciples hardly later in general appear in maya because as against ISKCON in GM or in general there is no management, or it is too specific probably. " Sridhara Svami it is sang at leaving SBST ". That that He is sang at leaving SBST it is not definition that He embodiment Rupa Gosvami, it as not is definition of that Sridhara Svami there is the best disciple SBST. SBST did not want to hear sambhoga kirtan simply because it not that mood, obviously that there were and still reasons for it about what Srila Prabhupada as writes. I would write it with that that it was possible to understand criteria - "best - worse" and "successor". SBST has left THREE successors or GBC for GM, very simply. As well it have commented - " on one knowing, one believing and the third neutral that at disagreements would be impossible 50 on 50 ". /images/graemlins/smile.gif As they can criticize GBC if SBST has GBC? How it is possible to speak about the successor if the spiritual teacher has left three GBC?! What for to invent about the successor if the guru has very clearly designated all? SBST as was dear and Ananta Vasudeva why to not recollect it? He in general spoke Srila Prabhupada to not live in GM итд because Srila Prabhupada by and large had no to GM in such kind of any relation. That that happened later in GM words Bhaktivedanta Svami can be accepted as word SBST. It also is words SBST, very simply. As perfect disciple Srila Prabhupada is not different in correct sense from the guru. In general the God has arranged so "Srila Prabhupada" concerns and to SBST and Bhaktivedanta Svami, that on in spiritual sense very truly. GM in general it is excluded from this title "Srila Prabhupada" that as very correctly. As to continuity Srila Prabhupada very clearly gives all criteria to continuity and these criteria far from concept "Indian" and similar. Srila Prabhupada as did not establish ritvika and did not appoint any "acarya" because in paranpara them and do not appoint. CSM can follow ritvika, that is clear why she is established as previous them "acaryas" they have fallen simply, but ISKCON does not follow ritvika and as does not follow any is artificial "acaryas" because it senselessly about what SBST was spoken also by Srila Prabhupada spoke. Srila Prabhupada met the spiritual teacher of very few times, but all success as he said is simple in following to the spiritual teacher. The secret of success in fact is simple - simply to follow. Did not appoint the guru "acaryas" and so and you do not appoint, not be higher than the guru. Srila Prabhupada writes - " that from for personal ambitions GM was wrecked ". Very much in fact all is clearly told. Because one guru "has headed" also another "has headed" and then the third "has headed" also all has collapsed, but as aparadha is made to stop from that what whom that "to head" it is impossible. Because aparadha. Actually it looks sometimes simply as madness, impersonal it, in mind have headed all world. " Srila Prabhupada an embodiment Lord Nityananda, He began and we shall finish all ". O many apply for it, Narayana Svami for example, but all such passages are eliminated by Srila Prabhupada and qualified by Him. GBC successor Srila Prabhupada Him appointed. GBC it just also is that formula which does not give much to be engaged in a deceit. Therefore true acarya operates so the deceit could not be cultivated in a spiritual life. Srila Prabhupada spoke that those who follow Him, being in ISKCON and there are His successors. He directly spoke about it and He as directly spoke that GM would WANT that He has appointed the successor and that all this not spiritually. He spoke that after His leaving GM WILL apply on ISKCON and so on. It in fact NOT ONE such conversation was. Therefore personally I see that very logically that followers of spiritual teacher Sridhara Svami count themselves Sridhara Svami successors, it quite logically and is their choice and desire to trust in what is pleasant to them as such freedom is stipulated. But anybody outside of ISKCON cannot be SPIRITUAL successor Srila Prabhupada according to Itself Srila Prabhupadas. In fact in this question who successor Srila Prabhupada's will be logical on Srila Prabhupada's words? Therefore sermon CSM in attitude ISKCON is destructive actually too, it is necessary to ascertain it as the most part of their such statements is almost at top of their appeal or definition of their "mission". Unfortunately many adherents which there are do not know all picture as to them about it speak nothing. To them do not speak about it " up to term ", until then while they will not get completely under influence of this faith and the ambassador it is possible to tell, are the form of a deceit as. Some leaders of this organization more softly certainly than for example Narayana Svami, but silently hate GBC, ISKCON and as not against to belittle and Srila Prabhupada. Certainly what that new people can quite be sincere, but sooner or later they should collide such facts. They hate GBC because at presence GBC from many of them simply remain nothing. Because GBC it as the factor of the true humility. The true guru he is restrained and GBC operates in frameworks sastra and the TRUE guru will easily pass including those or other tests, therefore a principle GBC is perfect in this sense. As that who is in CSM it is necessary to collide the fact that as it is possible to appoint ritvika to itself? Not SBST? We can understand for example ritviks Srila Prabhupadas and that somewhat. Therefore having it is so much things and other if the person will have something the greater, than simply blind belief or some brahman realization as it can accept all this? I try to understand. " Srila Prabhupada would want that Sridhara Svami read lectures in temple ISKCON ". But we shall notice what to read lectures and to head ISKCON these are a little bit different things. In my opinion Srila Prabhupada has simply made friendly gesture and as knowing desires of the brothers in the God has simply enabled them to make all this openly. If who that applyon position - " please come, read lectures in a temple ". " Srila Prabhupada would want that Sridhara Svami was siksa guru ISKCON ". But where it is told, we can find many converses, I already resulted them. Thus it is personally difficult for me to see in all it Srila Prabhupada's glorification what it for "glorification"? There can be it and it is quite good that CSM "glorifies" thus Srila Prabhupada eventually everyone glorifies in a measure of the abilities. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Also that Srila Prabhupada can undoubtedly rescue all such His "glorifies". Anyhow it is a part of His plan on that what to occupy those who tries to find the spiritual blessing, to occupy them in the sermon and to learn their true sermon and the true spiritual knowledge. GBC in due time has born a correct verdict in relation CSM and their leader, it was a true verdict and all this has been told simply on the FACT. Nevertheless later this verdict has been cancelled, I do not know for what reason, probably what to not procrastinate this theme, basically too is correct. Eventually if activity of others not too prevents, that that can and be sufferred. Nevertheless personally I having read appeal CSM have come to a conclusion that the certain politics continues the life what even is fixed and expresses in public references. *** As I would like to tell a pair of words about Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON. "Srila Prabhupada big guru ", He is big guru because His lectures the most important - vani, gaura vani. Lectures means that we listen and then we use them, dialogue with the spiritual teacher is those. Not what that inventions make the disciples valuable in opinion of the guru, and following for the spiritual teacher is value. As as to belief Srila Prabhupada's books are perfect therefore can to check up all that also all this there is written is possible to see that it is the truth.

"that goal is to develop an inner desire for Vraja bhakti." ISKCON has devotees and guru in manjari-vraja-bhava but it is inner position. "It often seems that ISKCON's focus on A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, its founder-acharya, has isolated ISKCON and its leaders from the rest of the spiritual family Maharaja calls the Bhaktivinoda-parivara." Some devotee isolated himself from the spiritual family calls the Bhaktivinoda-parivara by aparadha in different degree. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, its founder-acharya sampradaya, has "isolated" ISKCON from many doubtfull ways. "This isolation, together with Srila Prabhupada's caution regarding the particulars of cultivating spontaneous devotion, Maharaja suggests, has limited the society's impact and perhaps stunted the growth of its members' devotional creepers. " This perfect way Srila Prabhupada do his disciples mature. It is true way Gosvamis. Srila Prabhupada know They personally. /images/graemlins/smile.gif If some follow for Srila Prabhupada he is go in most center all Vraja or Gaura lila. Nobody do not high then guru. Nobody do not more reason then guru. And nobody do not jamp for head Srila Prabhupada. It is spiritual life. Vipralambha - it is eternal perfection, mature fruit all spiritual life. It is essence all spiritual world. From this mood emanate all lilas and Krisna lila, and this mood is perfection Krisna lila too. Krisna go take this mood and create his boundless. All gopis come with Krisna and take this fruit. All acaryas come, all spiritual world come for THIS fruit. Gopis come from Krisna lila to gaura lila, then Srila Prabhupada teach all spiritual science. "ISKCON's leaders teach, following Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, that following the process of vaidhi-sadhana-bhakti and vigorously preaching Krishna consciousness will automatically deliver the practitioner to the goal. " Yes, but Srila Prabhupada teach more highest goal mood Lord Caitanya. THIS means following regulative principles. Regulative principles is dharma, but high sense it is not dharma it principles pure devotion. Pure devotee never "not reach" not Radha, not Krisna, not pure principles. /images/graemlins/smile.gif From this "imperfection" born supreme perfection. Then Gaudiya math do not understand this way. Some preaching GM only do trouble for ISKCON. Then most perfect way it is folloving for Srila Prabhupada only. He is HIMSELF speak about this. GM needs - do own disciples - rise they in Vaikuntha - then teach madhurya rasa - you may teash all world madhurya rasa! but not disciples ISKCON, no needs preach themples ISKCON. ISKCOn soo small, all another world soo big! /images/graemlins/smile.gif If some has perfection, no any problem, do perfection all anothers in material world. ... Lilas It is an eternal drama or eternal love and ours " siddha pranali " and our position in this drama is not of great importance. Yes? no? It also is the servant of the servant of the servant. If you good the servant that you get access everywhere. Books Srila Prabhupada no has any gyana it is all write from level direct darsan. Do theachings Srila Prabhupada devotees has siddha-deha, no problem it is most reliable way. Well. Everyone have this or that realization. But it seems to me that is necessary to understand it - " others too have realization ". It is an attribute of reason. ----------------------------- This message has no the purpose anybody to offend.

Now in Moskow on janmastami go 4000 people. This temple has 10 000 m2 and one wisit may stay in temple room 8 000 people. Main deities it is Madana-Mohan, president Russia give pray for Mayapur deities - "please give temple in Moskow, I am give Yours name for deities this Moskow temple."

In Nectar Devotion has 3 or 4 sort surrender - pray for God - follow instructions God-guru - go for some perfection in spiritual life I am not memory may be else one, I am not memory now.

Permission on build temple take. Moskow devotee collect 45 000 writings? people in 2-3 month in shelter temple. Hare Krisna, it is nice win. First win this temple. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Srila Prabhupada many times write - "Abhai it is name Krisna."

*** What was Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura's criticism of siddha-pranali diksa? Because it became simply mechanical formality, even at that that the spiritual teacher has not been qualified in own relations, the disciple has not been qualified in such following. Siddha-pranali as the variant is possible at mutual qualification but what can be "pranali" if this "pranali" is simply invented or sold in this or that form. Diksa means initial dedication and the ambassador the disciple should gradually and pass stages of a spiritual life consistently. Actually not so necessarily formal dedication in " siddha-pranali " because all this can occur without formalities or in "absence" of the spiritual teacher. Siddha-pranali means high qualification and if the person really developing spiritually has passed so much set of stages before self-comprehension formal initiation in that case not essentially though probably as a variant. In any case dedication in siddha-pranali demands qualification and it became obvious that in days of SBT it already basically simply business, therefore and has been rejected. SBST has established standard sampradaya instead of deformed by then existing. *** Why did he not institute it in his mission? I heard that some His disciples have been devoted thus, but besides the spiritual life ALREADY MEANS that the person reaches self-comprehension. But without authoritative following all spiritual life it will be simple game of names. *** Is it possible for his followers to attain Vraja bhakti without this initiation? That such "initiation" also will not give any bhakti "vraja" the rest. The impression is created that somebody thinks that the spiritual body "is created" the guru. The rasa of an spiritual world is eternal, therefore senselessly to establish system of distribution siddha-pranali "races". Following in the steps SB the person reaches an inner world, and certain not clear quality "dedication" in "gopi" has no any value in this connection. *** And what is the guru parampara of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura? It also is Brahma-Madhava-gaudiy sampradaya. SBST has come specially to restore her. Obviously that arguments about physical connection parampara are insolvent, because physical connection has no special spiritual sense. Precisely just as BG it has been told Arjuna, but Arjuna it is not mentioned anywhere in list parampara. In the list of continuity are specified basic acaryas, all gurus there are not specified, that not probably simply physically and there is no necessity to specify all gurus. The most basic persons parampara it is Lord Brahma, Srila Madvacarya and Lord Caitanya. Philosophy Madvacarya is a part vaisnavas philosophies and a part of a spiritual way, therefore there is no necessity "to coordinate" all this with "matrimonial". " Matrimonial " it is a part of the sermon sahajiyas and to them similar and has no any relation to a true spiritual life. If who that takes a part sastra because it "was pleasant" to him, in this case such approach completely depreciated sastra. Therefore "matrimonial" at such approach in general sastra are not. *** While he may have criticized others justly, did he throw the baby out with the bath water when he abandoned the siddha-pranali diksa? It completely senseless practice in such statement. Sastra Gosvamis means the complete approach and as it means that the person realizes the previous stages. As for example in Harinama Cintamani before the supreme principles are described, all before are described that precedes this. Simply if the person opens last page not GO previous, it is not meaningful. Precisely just as certain "philosophers" take last dialogue Lord Caitanya with Ramananda Ray not that that not having realized the previous principles, but even in the theory not understanding position Lord Caitanya and His philosophies. By the way to tell the book which it has been sent on West SBT it there was " a Doctrine Lord Caitanya ", but besides such philosophers or the guru no understand mission Lord Caitanya alter all that Lord Caitanya it " Narayana not the supreme ", that Lord Caitanya it only the intermediate stage in their great "movement" or they "great" position, fame and ets. As Srila Prabhupada truly writes - " such neophytes bring the unripe emotions in a life of pure devoted service ". So SBST has removed this tama guna from ocean of devoted service because it there is not necessary. *** There is no record of Bhaktisiddhanta ever receiving siddha-pranali diksa from his diksa guru, Gaura Kisora dasa babaji. Some of his followers say that he was told by Gaura Kisora that he would realize his svarupa in the syllables of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. SBST it the released soul, in the second siddha pranali it only some attributes of a spiritual life and somewhat and in the third if the person has realized itself it and is the bona fide siddha pranali. If the person realizes the God and it and is perfect siddha pranali, in any case sastra Gosvami means the consecutive approach. *** Bhaktisiddhanta fashioned his own approach to realizing one's spiritual identity and engaging in raganuga sadhana, one that appears to have been based on practices predating siddha-pranali diksa. Srila Prabhupada has established standard practice of devoted service in a counterbalance of a various sort apa sampradaya that time. *** In this approach, he laid more stress on kirtan than smaranam. Kirtanam is the basic process. In general from the spiritual point of view there is no difference between kirtanam and smaranam in this sense, and the standard level of a spiritual life is realization of that a sacred name not different the God. Smaranam as such it is not attributed neither to bhagavata viddhi nor to pancaratrica viddhi because it can be and that and other nature, but as a whole it is not included in standard bhagavata viddhi - sravanam, kirtanam. *** Kirtan cleanses the heart and qualifies one for smaranam. It and not so because kirtanam it is self-sufficient. If the person is pure that she does how many that meditations as brahman, but kirtanam or a sacred name are completely spiritual and do not depend on any other clearing processes. It is sometimes spoken about brahman initiation, but only in connection with qualification in sacred name. *** Thus, although raganuga bhakti involves, smaranam, kirtan is its primary limb. Thus it is typical version sahajiya to allocate smaranam. "In Bhakti-sandarbha, Jiva Goswami emphasizes the relative importance of kirtan over smaranam thus: ' These words of the Visnu Purana show that the glorification of the Lord (kirtan) is much more importance than meditation, which leads in stages to samadhi. ' See Goswamis confirm all this. Therefore as it is possible to speak about following for Goswami in that case? Smaranam or meditation is a part of a gradual way, but kirtanam it is essence devoted service. *** Bhaktisiddhanta dubbed the printing press brhat-mrdanga, great drum, reasoning that the chanting of the sacred name could be heard for a few blocks, whereas the printed kirtan could be heard around the world. He considered the printing press to belong to raga-marga of raganuga sadhana. What reach the even greater clearness in this question can to esteem CC and to look at an example of set perfect devotees Lord Caitanya. It is possible that there were so much difficulties at Srila Prabhupada, sooo a bog. Actually many leave ISKCON having taken part in insult GM Srila Prabhupada, and then still leave and GM having taken part in insult SBST. Actually GM having made insult SBST and having lost any orientation, has been defeated babaji and in many parts now it follows certain crooked hybrids from philosophy babaji. *** As ISKCON continues its worldwide preaching campaign, it needs to pause and ask itself what the goal of such preaching is. They should not so experience for ISKCON, it is especial if the person has left him on the motives. As to be neither in that organization nor in this means to not be anywhere. Therefore and so on at ISKCON it is a lot of different sort of observers, advisers, but the person should develop real, instead of artistic humility, spiritual understanding and fidelity first of all itself and remaining in ISKCON then is possible to improve it. *** Its senior members need greater theoretical acquaintance with their heritage and its esoteric practices, so they do not mistake them to be the property of those whom Bhaktisiddhanta opposed, rather than their own. They need to unite with the rest of the family of Bhaktisiddhanta, which would help them to unite with one another. You only look. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif *** They need to unite with the rest of the family of Bhaktisiddhanta, ISKCON is real Srila Prabhupada's family. *** ISKCON is not alone in falling short of the ideal of Bhaktisiddhanta. IMHO if at whom that in a head that that falls, he thinks that at all too all falls. *** The followers of Bhaktisiddhanta must take care to guard against institutionalized conceptions of spiritual succession obscuring the spiritual descent. Correctly all these false concepts and wishes will stay where in the other place, but not in the spiritual organization. ****************************** Diksa SBST He " did not begin to receive " initiation from the father because it could throw a shadow on His sermon or as you speak to enter him in the list of "traditional" materialistic religions like family Gosvamis. SBST missed as with SBT on those or other questions and as as SBT anyhow popularized some parts sastra for the sake of the beginning of the sermon a little that is clear. SBST would write " Prakrita rasa " for that what to specify neophytes at the best and materialists, a part from which it happens as it is simple demons. First attribute of a demon that its some enemies in his " pure devotional service " can fall (for many reasons that there is a theme for separate conversation), and the first attribute sadhu that all his "enemies" progress and are occupied anyhow. How many people have offended Jesus Christ? How many people have offended Srila Prabhupada and how many people have offended SBST? All of them serve also all of them are accepted, though certainly such "service" not is the bona fide. The note - what to expand understanding "demons" could be recollected that for example Aghasura has achieved position above usual devotes, those who is in the meditation, devotes which constantly behold the form of the God at itself in heart or a deity in a temple as it is written by Srila Prabhupada. " So we can just imagine the elevated position of someone like Aghasura... " /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif - "Persons constantly thinking of the eternal form of the Lord in the shape of the Deity or in the shape of a mental form are awarded the transcendental benediction of entering into the kingdom of God and associating with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So we can just imagine the elevated position of someone like Aghasura, into whose body the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kanea, personally entered. Great sages, meditators and devotees constantly keep the form of the Lord within their hearts, or they see the Deity form of the Lord in the temples; in that way they become liberated from all material contamination and at the end of the body enter into the kingdom of God. This perfection is possible simply by keeping the form of the Lord within the mind. But in the case of Aghasura, the Supreme Personality of Godhead personally entered. Aghasura's position was therefore greater than the ordinary devotee's or the greatest yoge's." Certainly in modern cases it most likely fineer demons. /images/graemlins/smile.gif About diksa - Diksa - you listen to this acceptance - sravanam, then you decide to accept the guru by many criteria and accept and after you have accepted there is a ceremony or registration. But registration it not diksa or what, you where? The ceremony too is spiritual, but essence that not in it. That RELATIONS also are essence diksa. You begin it as more less material RELATIONS and later they become spiritual. It is possible to pass five ceremonies but if we shall not follow it is senseless.

Although Lord Brahma has a long life-span (4,320,000,000 years constitute twelve hours in a day of Brahma), The duration of one day of Brahma is one thousand times greater than the four yugas, aggregating 4,320,000 years. Similarly, Brahma's one night. Brahma lives for one hundred years of such days and nights. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita, one can compare the long duration of life of the inhabitants of Brahma's planet, which is inconceivable to the inhabitants of this planet earth, to the categorical value of the brain of Brahmaji, also inconceivable to any great scientist of this planet. Even the duration of one day, or twelve hours, of Brahma is 4,300,000 years multiplied by one thousand. Thus the duration of his life is inconceivable for an ordinary human being. The demigods are therefore sometimes called amara, which means "one who has no death." In this material world, however, everyone has to die. BG 2.13 "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." PURPORT Since every living entity is an individual soul, each is changing his body every moment, manifesting sometimes as a child, sometimes as a youth, and sometimes as an old man. Yet the same spirit soul is there and does not undergo any change. This individual soul finally changes the body at death and transmigrates to another body; and since it is sure to have another body in the next birth—either material or spiritual—there was no cause for lamentation by Arjuna on account of death, neither for Bhisma nor for Drona, for whom he was so much concerned. Rather, he should rejoice for their changing bodies from old to new ones, thereby rejuvenating their energy. Such changes of body account for varieties of enjoyment or suffering, according to one's work in life. So Bhisma and Drona, being noble souls, were surely going to have spiritual bodies in the next life, or at least life in heavenly bodies for superior enjoyment of material existence. So, in either case, there was no cause of lamentation. Any man who has perfect knowledge of the constitution of the individual soul, the Supersoul, and nature—both material and spiritual—is called a dhira, or a most sober man. Such a man is never deluded by the change of bodies..." Foolish materialists will pay millions of dollars to extend their lives by a few weeks or months in a hospital, but they do not appreciate someone endeavoring for eternal life. There is no actual logic in material life. Some of our devotees, they go to the hospital, and they purchase our books and they become a devotee. Even in hospital bed they're reading Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, and taking benefit. That is real remedy. So after being cured, he'll become a devotee. So this medicine is not cure. This literature is cure, Krsna consciousness. That is real cure. "Why not purified? Because they have no shelter. So in spite of their so much austerity, penance, Vedanta reading and jugglery of words, they come back again to the hospital. That’s all. That is their business. " Guest: But is it a serious movement? If the Beatles are telling the truth, Hare Krsna is a little bit of a bluff. Prabhupada: Who says bluff? Who is that fool? Who is that rascal? Guest: The Beatles. Hamsaduta: George Harrison has just bought us a big house. Prabhupada: Some rascal might have taken, but I know George is our very good devotee. Guest: George Harrison is your member? Prabhupada: Yes. Oh, yes. Guest: Do you have lots of members? Prabhupada: Yes, certainly. Don’t you see? Guest: How many? Prabhupada: Thousands. Hamsaduta: About five thousand all over the world. Prabhupada: Those are initiated. Otherwise there are many thousands, our admirers. Guest: In all the countries. Prabhupada: All over the world. Yes. Guest: Thank you very much. (break) Prabhupada: It is bluff? Who is that rascal? Pradyumna: He is confusing us with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Prabhupada: Oh, he is a rascal. He is now in hospital. He is undergoing operation. God is going, undergoing operation. (laughter) (end) Devotee (1): That's a symptom of the modern civilization, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Operation. That is... Demons are to be cheated like that. Simply operation. Simply operation. Bas. Devotee (2): Also they're trying to get money. Prabhupada: Yes. Injection and operation. That is in their hands. Tamala Krsna: Should we try to avoid getting injections as much as possible? Prabhupada: That is my opinion. But as soon as you go to a medical man, especially in your country, first of all, you have to give blood, immediately. (laughter) One ounce of blood immediately. First business. And then other injection. Because I underwent so many medical examination, I have got experience. For my immigration. I think, three or four times I was under health examination, and blood-taking, and injection. Of course, it is not very painful. That arrangement is there. But the business is like that, "First of all give your blood; then talk of other things." Better to die without a doctor. (laughter) That's the best principle. Don't call any doctor. Simply chant Hare Krsna and die peacefully. Prabhupada: Hm. But never put me in hospital. You can refuse that "This is our Guru Maharaja's order." Chant Hare Krsna. Bas. Let me die peacefully. Governor: Medical men. Our government hospital. Best people in the government hospital. Best physicians. Very good physicians. Prabhupada: Thank you very much. But I am not very inclined for medical treatment, their injection, operation. (laughs) Governor: No, they won't give you injections. They also... There doctors give yogic treatment also, and nature cure treatment. But... See I have taken that Ravi Shankar Maharaj. You've heard the name in Gujarat, he was one of the very great saintly person, Ravi Shankar Maharaj from Gujarat. I have taken him there. He’s stays in my Raj Bhavan, and best doctors attending him, he is improving the health. And we have very good Raj Bhavan, big Raj Bhavan. Prabhupada: After all, the thing is that so long we have got this body, the janma-mrtyu-jara-vidhi, you have to accept. This is the statement in the Bhagavad-gita. So the human endeavor should be diverted how to stop this repetition of birth and death. That is the prime instruction in the Bhagavad-gita. Tyaktva deha punar janma naiti mam eti. Prabhupada: I am not thirsty now. But cararimrta, little can be given also in the..., no harm. But don't take me, hospital. Kirtanananda: Ultimately, whatever he says we have to do if we're going to accept him. But he's also very understanding, and I think in your condition there may be no need for hospitalization. We need to get some regular care established. There was to be a regimen for recovery. Prabhupada: No, that I have already explained. I don't want to go to hospital. Prabhupada: Then he'll say, "Remove to the hospital." Bhavananda: Then they'll say move to the hospital. Prabhupada: Then who will take care of me? Hm? Bhavananda: We will never allow them to remove you to a hospital, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: You'll have to, gradually, according to his advice. Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance. Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. ... Prabhupada: That's all? I am afraid you may not put me in the hospital. Tamala Krsna: Oh, Prabhupada, we're not going to do that. We already said that we would never do that. "O spiritual master of all the worlds! I can simply repeat Your message, so if You like You can make my power of speaking suitable for their understanding. Only by Your causeless mercy will my words become pure. I am sure that when this transcendental message penetrates their hearts they will certainly feel engladdened and thus become liberated from all unhappy conditions of life. O Lord, I am just like a puppet in Your hands. So if You have brought me here to dance, then make me dance, make me dance. O Lord, make me dance as You like. I have no devotion, nor do I have any knowledge, but I have strong faith in the holy name of Krsna. I have been designated as Bhaktivedanta, and now, if You like, You can fulfill the real purport of Bhaktivedanta."

Madhumangala it is happily smiling brahman from Goloka Vrindavana. At Him little bit "solid" kind and certainly as perfect brahman, He knows the future on five steps forward. When anyone does the first step, is usual Madhumangala does already the fifth. But that I see! Near to him there are two more. It probably His friends and is similar they feeling full freedom. Having got away from mother Yasoda, at last that they became themselves - rural boys. They would leave on street what to find the biggest elephant and to push him through aperture needle. Or that that in this sort. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Madhumangala, as brahman, and Lord Balarama as the senior brother of Krishna, have little bit proud kind. Lord Balarama even is slightly haughty also a small plough on His shoulder why that reminder about His extraordinary force. Madhumangala undoubtedly there is an embodiment of magnificent intelligence of all company. There is a hot summer. Be rich decorated peacocks about what that exchange words among themselves. Light of the sun fill beauty blossoming gardens. These games as always will be unusual. All is already felt, that soon there will be something extraordinary. And by the evening all will tell districts about these new unusual events. All gopis will gather on hearing about an event and what again to see the heroes. - " Hey Krisna, you all time in company Madhumangala, probably you think that it can increase your piety? " - " But Madhumangala only simulates religious brahman, probably therefore you Krisna has so bad behaviour."

***but we see that Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti is always trying to get people to leave ISKCON. Very aggressive Yes. It is they method self satisfaction. /images/graemlins/smile.gif If some person dirty, then he is see dirty everiwhere.