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THE REVELATION of saint John the divine With comments under some texts of "Revelation" - SEVEN CHURCHES - SEVEN SEALES - SEVEN HORSES - SEVEN SOUNDED ANGELS - THE BEAST - FALSE PROPHET - SEVEN VIAL ANGER - ARRIVAL OF THE HORSEMAN - GREAT FIGHT AND THE THOUSAND-YEAR EMPIRE - THE END OF THE THOUSAND-YEAR EMPIRE - TERRIBLE COURT The note- Plots of revelation not always go in strictly mechanical order. Sometimes this description of various layers of understanding. Or the description from the various points of view of the same events. "Revelation" creates impression of the "volumetric" description from the point of view of especially spiritual logic (spiritual reason) and thus it very big. It is obvious, that "Revelation" has the even greater set of details which are not understood also which open all picture of events and all its details completely and will be understood later. SEVEN CHURCHES " Seven churches " (Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatirs, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea) on a map form the ideal form an bow. (can to look on a map in the Bible.) the Direction "Smyrna - Sardis" specifies a direction of flight of the first arrow (places of the beginning of the sermon). This place or USA or Canada. ( see) SEVEN SEALES Removal of seven seales from the book of revelation seven horses ("horse" - run, progressing process) symbolizing also leave- - Progressing wars (2) - Progressing poverty (3) - Progressing death (4) - Progressing persecutions on believers or religion (5) - Progressing accidents or one big accident (6) Progressing wars "6.3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see 6.4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given that sat thereon ti take peace from the earth, and that should kill one another: and there was given unto him great sword." Progressing poverty "6.5 ...And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6.6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four bests say, A masure of wheat for a penny, and measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and vine." Progressing death "6.8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him...." Progressing persecutions on believers or religion "6.9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God ..." Progressing accidents or one big accident "6.12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood..." The first seal- The sense of the first seal is latent and with its opening or arrival of the horseman, begins possible to understand all sense of revelation. "6.2 " And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." " a crown was given unto him " - means that the first victory is gained at once with His arrival. From interpretation on "Apocalypse" of sacred father Andrey Kesarijski (Athos) (FA), - " the Bow means - apostles which are similar to the bow, directed against demons the evangelical sermon..." "Arrows" means books too. And "bow" means press. The description of the horseman (6.2) connected with - "19.11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." Obviously that it is the same horseman. Thus only after arrival of the first horseman, the first seal has been removed also the book of revelation has opened. -- SEVEN SOUNDED ANGELS "To sound" means - to speak everywhere. Can "sound" to specify as quite obvious facts. Thus seven blowing angels specify on quite OBVIOUS - - Destruction of vegetation on a third (1), - Destruction of the seas and oceans, animals and fishes on a third (2), - Destruction (poisoning) of the rivers and sources of water on a third (3), - An eclipse on third of Sun, the Moon and stars (4), - The description of "locust" which operates only against people and tsar her angel of a chasm (5), - Death thirds of people (6), Destruction of vegetation on a third "8.7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." Destruction of the seas and oceans, animals and fishes on a third "8.8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain buring with fire was cast into sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 8.9 And the third part of the creathures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and third part of ships (fishes) were destroyed." (Father Andrey) - " Under mountain, it is necessary to understand reason of a devil, being for us it is inflamed... Also will ruin in the sea third living in him. " "reason of a devil" - It is a modern science and a modern civilization. Yes. Destruction (poisoning) of the rivers and sources of water on a third "8.10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it where a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the foutains of waters; 8.11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the wathers became wormwood; and many man died of the waters, because they were made bitter." An eclipse on third of Sun, the Moon and stars That is third of day will be profaned [by a sinful life]. As can defilement of a physical atmosphere is meant. And it connected with occurrence of third not religiousness in the world, as is a source of troubles. The sun the God, the moon religion, stars - believers. The description of "locust" which operates only against people and tsar her angel of a chasm "9.1 AND the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 9.2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smpke of the pit. 9.3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 9.5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man." (FА) - "Smoke" - a gloom made by malicious affairs. " Obscuring of the sun and air " - specifies sincere blinding of people. And a locust - " mental sufferings " (sufferings from mind, an intellectual locust) wound is similar to scorpions so it means that at the end of malicious has put the sincere death people is hidden.... Five months of tortures... Certain time five for the sake of corresponded to five external feelings with which the sin results the person... " That is five profaned feelings will give birth to the further sufferings of people. Death thirds of people "9.13 And the sixth angel sounded ... 9.15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of man." Further it is written that nevertheless nobody has repented. (certainly, it is necessary to add simply more experiments and faster to develop the industry.) "9.21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornications, nor of their thefts." -------------------------------- Continuation follows.

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All great gurus here - raganuga, rupanuga, rasika and ISKCON The guru number one - raganuga I Great babaji. I sit on Radha Kunda and I do nothing. I only eat, sleep and I argue about raganuga fidelities. Yes. I have raganuga fidelity. I take pupils whom I teach same - all of them sit and by my example and simply argue about raganuga. Thus we raganugas. As my life is perfect, therefore I do not have any problems. I do not have any difficulties in dialogue because I have dialogue with several local peasants, my friends. I do not have any difficulty with pupils as I have already trained they be ALL OF THEM RAGANUGAS! I do not have any difficulties with school because I do not have school. Because to open school it means that that is necessary that to do, and in fact I ra-ga-nu-ga, therefore I do not like to work. I do not have anything because it and is true renunciation as this is taught by the Lord in Bhagavad gita. Because Krishna has told in Bhagavad gita - " leave family, work and go on Radha Kunda ". Yes. He has told Arjuna. I and my pupils we sit in the whole days and we discuss raganuga in перемежку with problems ISKCON. Why ISKCON? You know that at ISKCON many problems. Therefore we frequently discuss as far as ISKCON is material. They think that in the organization a spiritual life. They do not know that a spiritual life OUTSIDE OF the organization, a spiritual life... It as at me. Why? Because I follow for SRG. 1. I live on Radha Kunda 2. I практикую raganuga fidelity 3. I do not have problems -------- The guru number two - rupanuga I great and restrained the servant of the Srila Guru. For that what to have a spiritual life, for this purpose it is necessary for the Guru. I the servant of the Srila Guru and consequently I too the Guru. But everyone who have not understood that I the Guru, we have excluded them from the organization. For that what to reach perfection, it is necessary to be simply restrained and to serve the Guru. The guru knows all. It is not necessary to be the upstart, it is not necessary to read anything. I, the Guru! And read nothing almost. /images/graemlins/smile.gif))) Because knowledge not in books, knowledge in favour Sri Guru. Only FAVOUR and LOVE. As I the Guru, therefore I have own mission from 3 the person. Their Guru have understood these three successful souls that I. And now we carry light spiritual knowledge worldwide. We as very much restrained organization therefore are not engaged in a politics, because dissatisfied we have removed all from the very beginning. At us very peace mission because all in this mission I - your restrained the servant - Sri Guru. For that that you could understand better us, with great surprise listen my restrained and through to spiritual words- 1. We true rupanugas 2. Sri Guru is ours itself Rupa Gosvami, be not surprised 3. We the true spiritual people because are very restrained Our motto - " always search for the best - Sri Guru. " (the signature on last page brochure) - we the restrained receivers of doctrine Rupa Gosvami and Svami Maharajas has charged us to head all sampradaya. (the photo is applied) ------ The guru number three - rasika The introduction I offer the respectful bows of all guru varga an om sri srimad 108, my beloved diksa guru, my close siksa guru, I suggest fifty millions bows Srila Sukadeva Gosvami ( he devotee Radhika), I suggest hundred millions bows Lord Siva, an om sri srimad (and Siva who? Siva it manjari Radhika), I offer bows Bhaktivinoda Thakur and Gosvamis Vrindavana because they manjari from the supreme rasa, the most supreme position of an spiritual world. The beginning of lecture The true guru is necessary for all of you. For you it is necessary rasika guru, my children. And the true guru, is servant Radhika. You know who such kalicelas, my children? Kalicelas is those who only they look as vaisnavas, but not vaisnavas. Because true vaisnavas it only rasika devotee, is those who feel taste - " Bali bali biphale sevinau... " - " Only rasika vaisnava, who feels taste and is servant Radhika there is a true guru. " About what it sing in this song, my children. We rupanugas. And what means rupanugas? It means that we servants Rupa Gosvami. And who such Rupa Gosvami? He servant Radhika. (addressing to a hall) - " you want to be servant Radhika in groves Vrindavan? "... " You want the supreme rasa or the lowest rasa? " Do not go and do not listen kalicelas, they never become devotees. NEVER. All who have fallen, never rise, off-enders, kalicelas. It not vaisnavas, they do not know the purpose vaisnavism. Who such Rupa Gosvami? - manjari. And who Sanatana Gosvami - manjari, and Svami maharaja who? If you will be given to me I shall tell to you who He. Yes, I know. Svami maharaja I have charged with this mission to ME, the true representative Svami Maharaja. What for it kalicelas temples are necessary if there are not present rasika vaisnava? Therefore search for the true guru. What guru is necessary for you? Correctly - rasika guru. And who at us rasika guru? It I. ------------- The guru number four - ISKCON! Pies, pies, pies.... Disks, disks, disks, disks... Vest, vest, a vest, a vest... ... A vest with Jaganatha, a vest with " Hari bolas ", a vest with Shwarcnegger, sausage on kievski, sausages vegetarian, fresh horoscopes, rest in Black sea, daily mud ablution and medical mud poultices, a sauna " At three anarthas " for 500 euros in day of you will cure all and will clean skilled brahmanas. /images/graemlins/smile.gif))) On sale card with Krishna, mung bean and the new book known classics Oleg Stupidov - " the Art story how having ceased disease, you have recovered and having ceased swear wife he have earned many money " Publishing house - the Philosophical book. /images/graemlins/smile.gif))))))))) The newest institute vaisnavism, all for 500 euros a month and in 5 years you receive a rank - " brahman, the skilled teacher vaisnavism ". The best houses in dhama, cheaply! But only on one generation (you that? Thought that it is possible to buy the sacred ground?). /images/graemlins/smile.gif)))) Routes new travel - Turkey... no no no, through Turkmenistan, I wanted to tell - Moscow - Turkmenistan - Delhi - Sochi - Anapa - Yalta - Suhumi - Batumi ( resorts ). The skilled conductor sanyas (but only across Delhi +100 $ from person, group from 50 person, less he does not work). "Vivaha yagya or how to make family strong " consecration marriage, cheaply. The society invites " Divine light " to acquaintances, a wide range, all of age, drawing up of a wedding horoscope, probably wedding travel in sacred places of India. Clubs on interests - club of fans of improving jumps on trampoline. Club of run. The club on game in checkers - " Is not Kuruksetra ". Presentations. Meetings former ISKCONs 70-80 years of release (the request on solemn to not bring a meeting of an intoxication), 80-90 years of release, the request of those who still in ISKCON, on a meeting to not come, not spoil all holiday. /images/graemlins/smile.gif))) A series of meetings former sanyasis. In the program- - A meeting former sanyasis flower and garlands - We shall recollect the forgotten days - take seat on vyasasanas - brought former sanyasis songs - "we love yours" - Interview with former sanyasis and the edition of the newspaper on this event - " the Sun ascends " - Evening story former sanyasis under the motto - "As truly I has acted when has left sanyas. " And "each sincere person cannot be sanyasi". " Association of family ISKCON " - arrival Abcd dasa from jail. -------------------------------- Personified guru ISKCON- Lecture. The spiritual teacher - " Krishna the Supreme Person of the God... " The translator - " the God... " The spiritual teacher - " all belongs to Him... " The translator - " all belongs to Him... " The president of a temple - " everyone should serve our temple... " mataji - " our guru the God, He so nice, He so nice... " The spiritual teacher - " isavasya idam sarvam " The president of a temple - " I the president " mataji - " our guru such clever, He so nice, He so nice, and you saw, He has looked at me " The spiritual teacher - " acintya bheda abheda - is a simultaneous unity and difference... " The president (thinks) - " it would be necessary gulabjamuns to remove far away, who yet has not eaten... " Lecture has ended. Began darsan. Grihastha number one - guru maharaja I would like to marry Maharaja - yes Grihastha number two - and I to divorce Maharaja - yes Grihastha number one (thinks) - similar the guru all the same. The guru - yes Grihastha number one (under influence of the spiritual teacher conscience wakes up) - the guru maharaja, probably home life has no relation to a spiritual life? The guru - yes Grihastha number one (with hope asks) - and if I then shall want to divorce The guru - yes Grihastha number one (thinks happy) - what good at me the spiritual teacher The guru - yes Grihastha number two - and I would like to marry then too The guru (recollecting many events) - yes, but a marriage it responsibility Grihastha number two (representing the anxious person) - yes, yes, the guru maharaja, I know The spiritual teacher (thinks) - whether interestingly there will be questions on a spiritual life? Grihastha number one (strenuously thinks what to ask of a spiritual life) - the guru maharaj and how to make home life happy? The guru - 16 rounds Grihastha number one (thinks) - yes, it is the answer, and at once all problems were solved. (Do the sincere restrained bows.)

- How to conceal atheism or " love to people " - Whether the head without a body can live? - Social program ISKCON - "amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa " - one can understand the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he can become guru. - Why communities are not effective? - Real community - free-of-charge houses for each new family - " If one is adamant to drink wine, then there is Candi-puja, Durga-puja. That means restriction. " The offer of the new law for ISKCON - It is necessary expel from ISKCON everyone, depriving with all ranks who wants to change Shrila Prabhupada's books and Prabhupada's opinion on women, " the moon is farther than the sun " or to any other questions. -- We many times heard that " watering a root of a tree ". And now on mine it is absolutely not popular. Nobody trusts in it now. Thus we not looking on the instruction sastra, all of us equally want to water leaves, instead of a root. The whole religion - christianity, has been destroyed by such "humanism". Having put "philantrophy" is higher than the first precept "love for God", the christianity degraded. And this fact can be seen everywhere. People have ceased to follow the first precept and so they have ceased to follow and to all other precepts. Covering this atheism the false statement about " love to people ". How service to the God and the blessing of people is connected? What would people receive the blessing it is necessary in fact simply the God cares of people, and here? But look - not following instructions of the Lord and following false humanism, all now receive fruits of such philosophy. Because ONLY the GOD can answer general love. Because only the God can support all. Only the God can answer all and individually to everyone. It only in His opportunity. Only the God can grant all desires. And not anybody another! Only the God has so much much, that it will satisfy anyone. Therefore only worshipping the Lord, the person can be happy. Even in a material life having left service to the God, all collapses. Therefore Krishna, for the sake of that what to explain the supreme morals, has told Bhagavad gita on a battlefield. So He has specified a difference between a material life and a spiritual life. And as for this reason Shrila Prabhupada does references basically only on Bhagavad gita. Because we are constantly inclined to operate in the material concept, naming her it is possible on miscellaneous. Whom do we want to love? How we want to give the blessing to anothers? We want to give anothers the blessing having given whom that material or sincere well-being? We want to give the blessing to anothers having borrowed them in gradual process of devoted service? Yes, I too so think. Krishna is essence of all and soul of all souls. Krishna is The one who is dear to everyone to the greatest degree, but we have forgotten it. When the person knows that that about the God her unique desire, it to give anothers to understand and feel this spiritual attachment. Sadhu go on set of compromises for the sake of it. They are ready to endow themselves. They are ready to go on the crucifixion, only for the sake of that what to give spiritual knowledge to anothers. There are two concepts of the sermon, - A way sakama fidelities (with material desires) - A way niskama fidelities (denying of a material life) Sakama fidelity is a mix bhakti yogas with gyana, dhyana, with material attachments and so on. Standard sakama fidelity it as varnasrama. Bhaktivinoda Thakur writes that the successful soul receives the blessing of devoted service with an insignificant impurity of material activity. Essence that when the person is adhered to maya to her give a little maya, but together with devoted service. Thus the soul is happy such special favour of the Lord. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Therefore sakama fidelity so is popular for us and in a material world. Dharma - religious ritual for the sake of artha, kama and moksa. A unhappy life for the sake of itself (and live for the sake of itself, nobody can be happy) and a full hope on clearing ( moksa ) thus. Too the christianity actually completely preaches only one clearing (rescue) as a result of following such concept. Though it is obvious that essence of christianity is not moksa. The way niskama fidelities is faster way and a straight line. Certainly it is possible to explain on miscellaneous "niskama", but by and large all "niskama" is explained in Bhagavad Gita. ... We can have different qualities. Brahmans have brahmanical qualities for example. From surplus of piety, brahmans possess many high qualities. Nevertheless activity in KC surpasses even brahmanism. Problems ISKCON that now ISKCON it only a head without a body. The head this most important certainly, but without hands, legs and a stomach, a head suffers. The head thinks, thinks, thinks... What to her to make? There can be that!? And there can be another? But essence that that to a head the body is necessary. Certainly, the transcendental head can exist and in itself preaching. The head can preach as much as necessary. The head can create set of other preaching heads. But if the head suddenly will decide to increase the sermon. If the head will decide to operate with mercier image. If the head will see GENERAL aspiration to great sakama fidelities. That... In this case... It is necessary to add also a body (varnasram) to a head. The we shall faster attach a body to a head, the problems of many sort will be faster solved. Because without a body, how many the head would not think, to sense in activity will not be. In only spiritual activity, the sermon, problems will not be. But IN ALL MIXED ACTIVITY there will be many problems. The head in itself how many she thought, never will solve those problems, for which responsibly a body. Therefore that we wanted to reach great in our transcendental expansion it is necessary varnasram for this purpose. We would like to establish laws on protection of a marriage, protection of children, or protection of all world, is necessary varnasram. Certainly, by and large we are indifferent to varnasram and to such designations. Probably. Here essence such, that we should or build varnasram and there to cultivate brahmanism and all other social life. ---------------------------- And if we do not want to build varnasram or to LIVE IN HER what sense to speak about material aid and social protection? ---------------------------- If we know that varnasram this decision of many problems I do not understand that constrains us in her construction? If varnasram it is a material category and there is no sense about it worries, what for then to worry and about a social life in the sermon? Whether is it is top of madness, to try to provide the social device, not having in general any social basis? We try to solve many material problems and many relations there where they cannot be solved. -------------- Thus ISKCON also jams somewhat. -------------- The first - ISKCON preaches, there come people. The second - then people demand that that, or anyhow they require. And ISKCON as "restrained" vaisnava tries to solve these problems (in fact if we preach it is necessary in fact cares). And further solving many problems, they are not solved for the resulted reasons, or on the fact they are not solved. Because problems should be solved only in a community. Because people working in maya and not preaching everyone will leave. Either people will leave, or the sermon will materialize (in false service to people). In the first It already occurs and there is not one year. In the second Prabhupada's this instruction to do varnasram. ... ISKCON has passed the period when he so lost much as has deviated as a result of sermon Gaudiya math. Shrila Prabhupada has been compelled to appoint the guru because in the other case all ISKCON would be destroyed. It would be destroyed with the help of crowning of whom on a post "acarya". It could be ISKCON "acarya", or outside of ISKCON "acarya". Therefore Shrila Prabhupada has appointed their guru. And others also it was not simple. Not so only in ISKCON was not, in general it there were the best devotees both in ISKCON and outside of ISKCON. But Shrila Prabhupada as DID NOT APPOINT their guru - "They must be all ideal acarya-like. In the beginning we have done for working. Now we should be very cautious. Anyone who is deviating, he can be replaced." Therefore Shrila Prabhupada has appointed them and has not appointed simultaneously - acintya bheda abheda. If who was that more mature either in ISKCON or outside of ISKCON Shrila Prabhupada would not began to appoint anybody. Lord Caitanya has appointed all already as the guru- " amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa " TRANSLATION " Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Sri Krsna as they are given in the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land. " Shrila Prabhupada has told they too most - "amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa". Including Shrila Prabhupada has told it because wanted to be confident that ISKCON will not depart to anybody in single management. As it would be the spiritual end. Shrila Prabhupada spoke this phrase " amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa " many times to all devotee - "We simply repeat. That is our business. We are not learned scholars. But our mission is to repeat the words of Krsna. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's order. He says, amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa: " You become guru. Now, how shall I become guru? I am neither learned nor Vedantist, neither sannyase. How can I become guru? No, no, you have no difficulty. You, on My order, become guru simply... " Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa. Bas. " You become guru. Whomever you meet, you simply try to convince him what Krsna has spoken. Then you become guru. " So we request everyone the same thing." Therefore words - "amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa" which were made him by Shrila Prabhupada, these words concern to everyone. Simply He would appoint them what to keep thus mission from encroachments and has given the everything else to hands GBC - "Prabhupada: And Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya guru hana. One can understand the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru's order, the same parampara, he can become guru. And therefore I shall select some of you. (hums) Satsvarupa: That's all the questions. Prabhupada: So there is no question of changing GBC." Later, there was a deviation in philosophy in ISKCON. By the end 90 years, 50 % ISKCON have deviated. Visnupad last who anyhow meaningly resisted to this was. And Visnupad the first who has called in question incorrect advice from senyor Gaudja Matha was. All there is a document. After has left Visnupad, Shrila Prabhupada has come Itself and has put all back. Everyone who knew Shrila Prabhupada at His life, have found out Him because so Prabhupada can operate only.... If we speak about sakama fidelities, standard, the best, the MOST MASS type of the sermon and favour it varnasrama. Certainly creation of a community in city it as is good, it somewhat preparation to great sacred "ascet" to live in a community. Is still a pair of reflections about a life in a community. Alacua. Observers write, that it is the most successful western community because she is not connected with GBC. Whether probably to make so that that it has been made officially and at the same time it is good? /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Lyrical digression. Everyone who will endow on a temple in Moscow will receive the blessing as though they distributed daily on 300000 cows in current 3х billions years. If we (you), during only 5 years, shall endow percent from the salary on a temple then in the worst case we shall go to paradise. There in paradise there is everything, on all tastes so think. Thus we should try to construct a temple in Moscow. I know, that Shrila Prabhupada has blessed Bhaktivigyana Gosvami to build this temple. It is difficult for us to come nearer to Shrila Prabhupada directly because Shrila Prabhupada is great and consequently that to us, without qualification, it will be very difficult to remain in Shrila Prabhupada's society. But serving Bhaktivigyana Maharaja and all our guru and GBC thus we also are in parampara. ... About community ( continuation ) Certainly to construct a community it not such simple business. Nevertheless my opinion on this theme - All houses should be a private property without restrictions of term - All cows should be in a private property at interested persons - All who become not devotees in this or that form, can continue to live in a community, respecting devotees and religion - All who is not devotee completely, can as to arrive and live in a community - Visiting a temple of a community, aratis, programs and so forth, business voluntary, but not administrative - But all inhabitants of a community should support anyhow brahmans a temple, brahmacaris, gurucula and so forth. It can be stipulated. Each inhabitant of a community should have some service that at least will make constant fund of a community. At least brahmans a temple and brahmacaris will not be to require anything and can though on 24 hours per day to act a spiritual level - In a temple there should be a temple schedule - In community ISKCON can preach only devotees ISKCON or those who not in ISKCON, but follow in the steps Shrila Prabhupada ( not rasics ) - Houses in the property devotees can or be on sale (without the big margins) or the person can fulfil the house on construction, simply helping to construct two - three houses still. - Activity of a community is adjusted by council of a community. - GBC is responsible for temple standards The community undertakes - To help all arrived devotees in their arrangement - To develop an agriculture, gurucula and ALL SOCIAL program - To give care and a shelter - to children, women, cows, brahmans and to older persons The community CAN - To give cheap or free-of-charge or in credit\ working off the house to each new family - To take care thus about brahmacari which want to marry - Or will take care about brahmacari, brahmans which many years distributed books and want to live as vanaprastha - The community should be such, that anyone there could move devotee, including poorly provided with money - The community should be that place which can accept all persons - Usual grihastha can contain the cow and selling milk or oil to a community, to receive money. That is the standard can be those, that having the cow or two cows, you are provided Now communities are not effective because - Frequently they on structure are too centralized - Communities live in themselves not having sufficient connection with center KC and support, or center KC gives incorrect manuals - There try to enter these or those artificial standards Shrila Prabhupada as I has read, at all does not demand from a community of many standards, for example 4х principles - "Hridayanada: So in our varnasrama college the students that come to our college, they follow the four principles... They follow... Prabhupada: Four principles essential. Essential. But only the sudras or the ksatriyas... Just like ksatriyas, they have to learn how to kill. So practically, they should go to the forest and kill some animal. And if he likes, he can eat also. If he likes, he can eat also. Hridayanada: What he kills. Prabhupada: Yes. But not from the slaughterhouse. Those who are ksatriyas, they can, they're allowed sometimes to eat meat. It is understood Bhima, Bhima also eating sometimes meat. Bhima. Amongst the Pandavas, only Bhima. Not others. So if the ksatriyas, they want to eat meat, they can be allowed on particular occasions. But they must go to the forest and kill the animal. Not that for meat-eating regular slaughterhouses should be maintained. This is all nonsense, degradation. If you want to eat meat, you go to the forest. And the sudras, they also sometimes eat meat. Or the candalas. Hridayanada: But never the cow. Prabhupada: No. Cow... The sudras, they can take a goat and sacrifice before the deity, goddess Kali, and then eat. Nobody should be given unrestricted freedom to eat meat. Or wine. If one is adamant to drink wine, then there is Candi-puja, Durga-puja. That means restriction. That means restriction. Under certain condition. Similarly, sex life-marriage. That is also sex life, but under condition. Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, is this school for women also, or just for men? Prabhupada: For men. Women should automatically learn how to cook, how to cleanse home. Satsvarupa: So they do not attend varnasrama college. Prabhupada: No, no. varnasrama college especially meant for the brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Those who are not fit for education, they are sudras. That's all. Or those who are reluctant to take education-sudra means. That's all. They should assist the higher class. Hridayanada: Would the brahmaans learn Sanskrit? Prabhupada: Eh? Not necessarily." ------------ The community should be that place where EVERYONE can live. ------------ Thanks. *If women preach, in this case they brahmans and can have what that education. If women do not preach and live in a community in this case the big education for them is not necessary. The woman is successful if she is married and serves the husband. Or the woman is successful if she serves the guru. If the woman operates independently it results only to that she will or suffer or sow anxieties another.

- The brief description of usual people - Ayr-veda and the astrology not will rescue mankind - How to become the "senior" devotee? - How to advance itself in the spiritual organization - Gadadhara is Radha? - What there occur with those who not "uttama", but also not " the servant of all "? - Baptists teach ISKCON - " I do not expect for service one thousand birthes " - We do not need the big society -------- The usual person always has with others adequate relations. But the unusual person will represent for example as he well to you, thus concerning badly for example. Obviously that it karmis system. When people envy each other, thus externally represent good relations. The usual person always will help you. Even strangers help each other. Even karmis neighbours not knowing neither about vedic culture, nor about love to the God, about any raised philosophies why that is simple so can help. At least here we have such experience repeatedly. The usual person has the opinion and states it. But unusual people having one opinion, speak another. Sometimes we even think that it and there is our own opinion. But ours it whether or not, it is usually found out later. In usual system the usual person can express the opinion openly. But in unusual system to the person will not give it to make. In unusual system the person can not speak the opinion because he can be afraid for example. In general the fear is one of problems in the spiritual organizations. By virtue of the sermon of the atheists, usually new people are concerned at visiting a temple for example. "Senior" devotees are not concerned only. Which very much like to teach all and in such image the person reaches perfection under their management. Having received really an invaluable management, the person quickly acquires spiritual rules. Starting from that that is not to eat chocolate (as far as it important!) and finishing full knowledge - what shoulder where it is necessary to bow. I am silent about that now probably many think that krisnaism is system of treatment and a science on horoscopes. Then later this fear is shown that the person can be and wants to find out more about a spiritual life, but she is afraid to ask. Especially at others because does not know true it questions whether or not. Frequently it happens so the person wants to promote or join as that, but does not know as. But you represent! And in fact to us have the luck! Because "senior" devotees it is USUAL ALWAYS truly everyone will learn. I only am surprised immensely as the some people manage all that in couple of years to begin senyor devotee and to reach such unshakable knowledge. (Kailasa with the trained tone has simply decided to head all this sampradaya. Yes. Let him to make it.) The usual person is always declined to share when to him well and when to him it is bad with others, it quite natural. Unusual will carry the problems year after year in itself. But in unusual system it quite natural. It not fault of the person. If we can share the problems only with the guru it is a true sign on abnormal attitudes. Everyone normal (usual) devotee does not count itself than that significant. Nevertheless maya it is arranged so, that everyone normal devotee, can become abnormal receiving those either other posts. Or this or that respect from others. I big the servant of everything, therefore I do not want to listen to bad news for example, to me it is unpleasantly simple. I am tired to listen to bad news, it недуховно. Therefore I also do not listen to them and I send all abnormal far away from myself, affably smiling to them. KC so I was fine, therefore, I do not want to participate in this maya which make others!! )) ---- Now the description of how it is possible to push itself - - It is possible to start to glorify the guru. Or OUR guru, brothers. In general ethic it is those, that at the presence of others, we glorify only the guru of others in a necessary case. There are whole organizations occupied in it quite seriously. Adult people inventing fables. - It is possible to start deities. But you can know that for example in comparison with distribution of books, worship deities secondary. Yes, yes. Worship deities secondary. Deities are necessary what the person has understood that the God has the form. And if the person develops smaranam - about the God it and is the best Deity. For this deity also are necessary. As Deities are secondary in comparison with reading of books. Shrila Prabhupada has told - " what for to you of a deity if you have books? ". Essence that on a regular basis reading books, the person realizes the God faster, than worshipping the Deity. The deity is necessary, that the person would occupy itself. Has occupied feelings. It is a good method, nevertheless studying of books even more powerfully. Many orthodox worship the Deity down to miracle. It that becomes criterion of conclusive true. Or as Shrila Prabhupada speaks - " that at whom do not have reason and an opportunity to understand philosophy, they need a miracle ". But to understand Jesus Christ's position they and could not. Origen was the unique philosopher who was closest to true. But later all this have cancelled on a universal (?) cathedral. Thus criterion of true at such passionate worship become a different sort miracles. And as a whole all religion leaves aside prejudices and blind belief (kanistha adhikari). In general Orthodoxy degraded and has fallen up to a level of worship the Deity (guru). Instead of what to follow His instructions- " and preach on roofs and not care about day the future ". Also it is possible to see result. It is business - to establish a temple and to collect money. Show where it is told in Jesus Christ's sermon? Thus the some people try to put pancaratrica (worship in a temple) above bhagavata viddhi - sermons and readings of books. Pancaratrica - worship the Deity will be never higher bhagavata viddhi . - Brahmans worship salagrama sila but if they do not distribute the book, it is better to them to leave such worship. Brahmans which worship deities and do not distribute the book, do not achieve any cleanliness. They simply become a smarta brahmans and as set a bad example another. If the person can not distribute itself, but the sermon of distribution of books, it as distribution of books. In any case if the person does not distribute the book such worship is equal zero, nil - go on street, especially if you brahmans to you it in any way will not damage. Shrila Prabhupada's books (once again) this the best and the most effective. Shrila Prabhupada is the most skilled devotee. And consequently among set of spiritual concepts, set of spiritual moods, set of various subtleties of a spiritual life, He gives the BEST. As to books of others acaryas Shrila Prabhupada has not approved attempt of the edition in ISKCON such books as " Jaiva Dharma ". Certainly, SBT began the sermon here from Russia in the form namahatta. Nevertheless if we follow Shrila Prabhupada's instructions in them already all is taken into account from the spiritual point of view. Shrila Prabhupada has told that anybody and never will jump through His head. Therefore the everything else IF WILL be studied, only in parampara from Shrila Prabhupada. In the other case it is simply useless, it besides look on the fact. Here business not that who that has decided to make Shrila Prabhupada's cult, here the matter is that is true. ------ Bhaktivinoda - in mood Laksmi devi, He has shown as from this mood vipralambha direct relations ( sambhoga ) proceed. He has blessed thus all world. But Prabhupada teaches pure mood Lord Caitanya, in this sense training Bhaktivinoda Thakur is specific. Devotees can see Gadahara as Radha, but in this case they DO NOT SEE real mood Lord Caitanya. Because LORD CAITANYA - Radharani it is real. If the person is seen Gaura- Gadadhara as Radha- Krishna thus she does not see the supreme aspect Lord Caitanya. Isvarah paramah krisnah ... sarva karana karanam KRISHNA a source of all and the reason all the reasons. It THAT, as is written by Prabhupada - " Krishna the God, Krishna is all ". Lord Caitanya is the God, the primary Person. It Radha and He Krishna. Is not present Radha outside of Lord Caitanya. Never Radha leaves Krishna. Swarupa Damodara writes (about Gadadhara Pandit) - " Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has pointed out that in the shape of Laksmi, the pleasure potency of Krsna, " I have already erased keys to quote it. Gaura lila sees Gadadhara as Laksmi devi and CC confirms it. " Gadadhara Pandita's pure ecstatic love for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also very deep. It was like that of Rukminidevi, who was always especially submissive to Krsna. " If who that sees Gadadhara as Radha this lower vision. And Itself Srila Bhaktivinoda makes comments on it in " Jaiva Dharma "- " However, when Krsna is absent, the lover experiences the rasa of vipralambha (separation), which itself produces a specific kind of wonderful transcendental bliss. In answer to one of Lord Mahaprabhu's questions, Ramananda Raya described (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.194) the wonderful bliss the devotee feel in separation from Krsna, a bliss he called 'vivarta.' Therefore what seems here to be suffering is in truth the highest spiritual bliss. " "...suffering is in truth the highest spiritual bliss. "" "Not sambhoga. Vipralambha. Vipralambha seva." Prabhupada. SBT therefore also "did not make comments" on this mood. He began training, therefore Prabhupada has told - " it is not necessary to issue Jaiva Dharma ", that as confirms Itself SBT is the citation - "... suffering is in truth the highest spiritual bliss. " Therefore Krishna has accepted this mood. Therefore Shrila Prabhupada's mission it GAURA vani, Lord Caitanya, Prabhupada represents Him. In general a context all parts of spiritual knowledge are important, but in the supreme context, in it some parts of spiritual knowledge is no necessity. ---- HOW THERE ARE PROBLEMS For example, you restrained devotee and you ask to become "senior". Or the course of events goes so you become "senior". So you become the senior, you basically even to this and did not aspire and what occurs further? You become attached to this. Including as you do not have experience. What occurs further? All your sympathies are farther and antipathy to anothers you start to embody during a life, using own position. It so, do not speak that it not so. As "senior" devotee you CERTAINLY))) who is excellent see where rights and who where is not right. You certainly do not eliminate anybody on the personal sympathies and your conditionality. No! you ... eliminate ... them BECAUSE THEY ... are ... not ... RIGHT.))) Friends, we came to the most delightful moment of our society, we have glanced in own heart so deeply!)) Or you as the senior devotee do not eliminate anybody. Do not interfere anywhere. To any insults do not listen, and simply keep имперсональную a position. While in movement operate one, others, third. Well, too nice disorganize a variant. As the senior devotee you do not participate in any disassemblies, intrigues and so forth. Therefore you with love look on struggling (as a variant) the sides. And quite clearly understand that here simply does not suffice good relations (ingeniously! )))) and KC. Yes. You solve all disassemblies, intrigues very simply - simply sing kirtan and lecture. Therefore, thus, we are loved by all. But disassemblies go further, sowed all new and new consequences. senior devotee this temple, (these are those whom we and have established), inform other senior devotee in such a manner that all this turns out only in their benefit. -------- THOSE WHO NOT "UTTAMA" (authority like president temple), BUT ALSO NOT " the SERVANT of ALL " The person privately (or it is public) appears "offensive". On you put a stamp - " he offensive ", " he does not follow principles ", " he a lunatic " and so on. It operates as a public damnation. Therefore the one who gets under such press, usually leave from our remarkable system of love in such image. That... Also is... The proof... Now you have understood as important to listen to senior devotee? You saw than result offensive? There are organizations, which were engaged in it professionally. "our guru uttama". Especially this system will be effective if everyone "trust". Because if everyone "trust", it means that anybody knows nothing. It is the monitoring system people simply. It is the same system of Orthodoxy and many, many many our today's sects. And it that, my dear against what Shrila Prabhupada struggled. And it that He has excluded from ISKCON. It what differs ISKCON from all other religions. Shrila Prabhupada has created really free society. A society based on spiritual knowledge, instead of a different grade prejudices and not clear "belief". If we have this or that spiritual experience it does not mean that we have found already all spiritual experience. Therefore Shrila Prabhupada has told - " read my books ". Because reading Shrila Prabhupada's books it is possible to leave from a different sort of problems and materialism both in the organization and in a management and in general everywhere. ISKCON it is created for discussion of a spiritual life. If we shall discuss our real problems of a spiritual life and a spiritual life in ISKCON there will not leave any person. We do not want to discuss a problem sometimes because - At us at a same problem, but we do not want to admit to ourselves it - We do not have answer to questions as we are not was trained, but at the same time we do not want to recognize it - We as can not understand that some problems is a part of a spiritual life - We do not want personal attitudes with others because we pursue the mercenary purposes - We do not want personal attitudes because we do not want to suffer (the spiritual life is created for my happiness) - We do not have the knowledge, therefore many discussions will simply destroy and without that weak belief But there can be a question. There is a set of problems which be unsoluble, for example- - Family problems at the certain moods - Problems of material welfare (only not absolutely healthy person can think that he will solve them) - Problems of relations. Anyhow a part of relations between people cannot be resolved in the near future Also what now, I all life should listen to these problems? In fact I shall go mad simply. Is not be afraid. (the mystical voice) is suddenly heard- I shall open to you... Great... A secret... Listen... Attentively... SOCIETY KC... IT IS CREATED... FOR DISTRIBUTION... BOOKS... SRILA PRABHUPADA. AND ALL... OTHER ACTIVITY... IT IS NOT INTENDED... FOR THIS ORGANIZATION ALL... WHO NOT DISTRIBUTE... BOOKS... SRILA PRABHUPADA SHOULD LEAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. On all questions concerning - Home life - Material welfare - Health, ayr-veda, horoscopes - Relations The answer one- ---------------- YOU... SHOULD... TO GO... TO LIVE... IN THE COMMUNITY ( farm - varnasram )... AND.. TO LIVE THERE... UP TO FULL... ENLIGHTENMENTS ---------------- Because... Not distributing Shrila Prabhupada's book and live in the middle of an empire maya... You will be - in maya. POINT. (the Voice of the oracle, with a simultaneous unearthly luminescence of the monitor) PROBLEMS... WILL FALL ON YOUR HEADS... UNTIL THEN... WHILE YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND IT ALL... YOURS... MATERIAL SYSTEMS... WILL BE DESTROYED... IF SUCCESS... HAS A KIND FEELING TO ISKCON ALL SUPERFLUOUS TEMPLES... WILL LEAVE... BECAUSE WITHOUT DISTRIBUTION OF BOOKS... SRILA PRABHUPADA... THEY ARE NOT NECESSARY The congregation as a matter of fact is not necessary for us and we do NOT NEED to support it. What for? I do not understand it. What for it to support? We here have already temple of baptists. It is the big temple and he completely euro, together with altar and of offices. In this temple remarkable relations and all well to each other. It is valid so, come, look. In a court yard of a temple there is a children's playground. Congregation it is cultural people, the most part from which is quite solid people. At parishioners good health and blossoming persons. They all heart love Jesus Christ. They especially do not penetrate into philosophy because " the God is love ". They sing many social prays. They preach on city - " come suffered and we shall accept you ". They give money even to strangers (not consisting in their church), it is the fact. What for to us to make precisely same in ISKCON? In ISKCON there should be those who preaches. And all others should be in communities as Mayapur or Alacua. There are such organizations as mothers Tereza. My dear friends, there THOUSAND those who work on hospitals and so on. What do you want to make, one more such organization? So what for? Prabhupada has based this movement with other, ONLY SPIRITUAL purpose. And this purpose will surpass REPEATEDLY all such temples and even the remarkable charitable organizations. The essence in that that should be preached simply. Unless it is difficult? NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY the PERSON AT us IN YATRA. The quantity of people does not define anything. NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY we DISTRIBUTE BOOKS. If you distribute much IT is WONDERFUL! But if you distribute one book in a month leaving on a regular basis IT TOO is WONDERFUL. Uniqueness of devoted service is those. Movement will be expansion (well if we want it) when those who come, will receive real education (instead of nominal). And if they will preach. How to solve such such and other "problems"? And what for them to solve? At Prabhupada were hippie therefore only because the hippie did that asked them, it is more valuable. What for to us in KC exaltation materialists? Prabhupada had addicts and similar, but they did, therefore it is more valuable. ****************************** All social problems are solved in a community ( farm - varnasram ). More anywhere there is no necessity of them to decide. ****************************** -- Different spiritual authorities, including uttama as a rule preach DIFFERENT SPIRITUAL CONTEXTS. Therefore if we are at a level kanistha adhikari - black the white world thus we shall be brought down with sense. Madhyama adhikari will really teach us how truly to understand all these different contexts because it and MAKES the SPIRITUAL LIFE. The absolute life she is very many-sided, therefore represents absolute true life siksa parampara. Or continuity of many gurus and many spiritual positions. Diksa guru initiates in relations good luck. But in any case such relations always proceed in siksa sampradaya. The concept " unique diksa guru " it is simple impersonal. This concept means that you want to serve the God directly (it possible), but it not the supreme spiritual concept. Higher concept it to serve servants of Krishna. Because Krishna it is more happy not with us. Therefore if you serve with whom Krishna it is more happy, that and you are more happy. As to Lord Caitanya in Gaura lila all approached devotees is His direct expansion in His mood. I think that it is a unique case when the person, an alive essence, can test the supreme mood of a spiritual life consequence boundless emotions Lord Caitanya. Certainly manjari Krishna lila, it as expansion hladini sakti. Nevertheless I think that there is a difference. This difference will be, that manjari have no personal desire of relations good luck, and being completely are disinterested, they reflect thus the most raised relations of an spiritual world. In Gaura lila nevertheless the person tests directly emotions Lord Caitanya. Even sakhya rasa tests them, that in the other case not possible in any way. This greatest secret Gaura lila and most likely in general all spiritual life. This "grief" Lord Caitanya is distributed in this case and to an alive essence, in it and there is an essence of message Gaura vani. Emotions Lord Caitanya are so deep and strong, that He accepts an soul, as the ally. He divides thus the mood and soul can plunge in this ocean. Actually having gone in a trace for Lord Caitanya, the soul natural in the image can completely forget the fears before any quantity of birthes and death. I would write it what to illustrate force of this mood. As Shrila Prabhupada has told at assembly Gaudia Matha - " I do not expect for direct service one thousand birthes ". Shrila Prabhupada could tell and " one million birthes ", but it would sound too pathosly. Therefore He has submissively told "thousand", setting a worthy example to all other neophytes present there.... As the God all powerfull and as the spiritual world is immense, therefore Krishna expansion as siksa sampradaya in set of spiritual teachers and in set of spiritual moods. Even Krishna! Who is a source of everything, operates in set of roles. It occurs from surplus of happiness of an spiritual world. Remaining one, uniform person, He distributes itself is boundless. Including we, the fallen souls, are Him expansion. -------- " Without what or the excessive efforts, devotee working in KC reaches perfection ". Even we can excel in the sermon without excessive efforts. Perfect society KC it does not mean that in him many materialists. The perfect society means a society of adherents, madhyama adhikari. Which clearly speak in what true which do not operate as имперсоналисты for the sake of the happiness. Which do not operate as materialists. We as a matter of fact also do not NEED the big society. It is better to have a society, but those who have personal relations. Instead of big impersonal a society where therefore many things occur not clearly as. It is possible to have any sizes a society personalists. If to preach Prabhupada's books that it is quite possible attract the FEW. But it will be those few who are interested in a spiritual life. And these FEW cooperating, among themselves and consistently and meaningly developing spiritual movement, can reach very much much!! They can reach much remaining same few people. And they can reach much, expansion beyond all bounds. In my opinion it also is the obvious formula of success.... That one person would become devotee, it in fact the big work. But if we shall give ourselves and even one person becomes devotee then there is a chance as the second him begins. Let even one would remain only devotee, we can see that many gurus do only one person devotee, why because it is effective. And in the other case we and shall see happily year after year set of sincere persons new devotees? They are joyful these persons, yes it so, but they are joyful as and consequently, that can use this movement. Correct me please if I am mistaken. Certainly in the beginning the God gives advance payment to everyone. But on the other hand, where all these previous "sincere" devotees? If they are not present, can be to us understand all as is really? If the majority of people can leave, then can be engage more particularly even in the some people? Than to be engaged "in all" and as a matter of fact anybody. Or to engage in those who does that, as should do (to distribute books). Thanks.

Monkeys!! Suddenly awful shout has fallen upon army Ravana. The infinite sea of monkeys, being rolled through walls of city, began to penetrate everywhere. Reaching the highest towers, they destroy on the way all alive. Monkeys battled with trees and stones. They beat fists, foots and bite tooths. They attack upon the opponent in front, behind, sideways and from above. What is failure to be at war with monkeys?!! Who has thought up this foolish form of a life? Which so dexterously moving, renders one impact behind another? It is possible to go mad, from vision of this infinite monkeys grimaces. Animal fury moves on the city of Ravana, giving rise in everyone animal fear.... Not civilized peoples it is the best wars. But as far as it is better than war animals in that case? Probably Ravana has developed strategy for war with demigods or people. Can be Ravana even was going to be at war and with monkeys, but this terrible howl muffles ability to thinking in mind of anyone.... O Hanuman, You the God of war! Everyone who want to brag of the force, muscles or the weapon, it is real all of them simply parody, lifeless dolls. Breaking a voice, I want to shout to you - Hanuman!! And similarly to a snow avalanche you fall upon enemies. Or as hurricane sweeping away all on the way, breaks trees and throw them in all sides. And now this force goes on the city of Ravana. " Ram, Ram, Ram " - heart knocks. Truly there is no the best punishment for an empire of demons. And as the lightning suddenly unexpectedly lines the sky, Lord Rama are exact as arrow, will put an end to this empire.... But now monkeys storm city, grasping palaces, parks, exchequers and even dovecots. When each crossroads of city, a platform, flags and gold vessels on domes will be destroyed, all city of Lanka will look as the river whipped by herd of elephants.

- Glories Srivasa Thakura - Rupa Gosvami teaches how to develop Krishna consciousness - "Paramananda Puri and Svarupa Damodara—were the heart and soul of the Lord" - Who is Svarupa Damodara? - Different vision devotees Gaura lila - Gaura Gadadhara - Kavi-karnapura's version, Svarupa Damodara version (CC), Srila Prabhupada version - "only remnants of food originally eaten by the Lord Himself." - There are innumerable devotees of the Lord, of whom Srivasa Thakura is the foremost. I offer my respectful obeisances thousands of times unto their lotus feet. The devotees headed by Srivasa are His smaller limbs. They are like His hands, face and eyes and His disc and other weapons. There are innumerable pure devotees of the Lord, headed by Srivasa Thakura, who are known as unalloyed devotees. All glories to the devotees of Lord Caitanya, headed by Srivasa Thakura! In order to fulfill all my desires, I remember their lotus feet. All glories to Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Nityananda! All glories to Advaita Prabhu, and all glories to the devotees of Lord Caitanya, headed by Srivasa! All the devotees of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, headed by Srivasa Thakura, have their own emotional humors in which they render service unto Him. All glories unto Lord Nityananda and Advaita Prabhu, and all glories unto all the devotees of Lord Caitanya, headed by Srivasa Thakura! Madhya 1.8 One day all the devotees, headed by Srivasa Thakura, were chanting the transcendental qualities of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Madhya 1.270 All glories to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu! All glories to Nityanada! All glories to Advaita Prabhu! And all glories to the devotees of Lord Caitanya, headed by Srivasa! Madhya 3.3 Sri Svarupa Damodara was very dear to Advaita Acarya and Nityanada Prabhu, and he was the life and soul of all the devotees, headed by Srivasa Thakura. After this, all the devotees, headed by Srivasa Thakura, offered prayers to the lotus feet of the Lord, and the Lord embraced each and every one of them in great love and ecstasy. All glories to the devotees of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, headed by Srivasa Thakura! I beg their power so that I can properly describe Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. All glories to all the devotees, headed by Srivasa Thakura! All glories to the readers who have taken Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu as their life and soul. All glories to Lord Gauracandra! All glories to Nityanada Prabhu! All glories to Advaita Prabhu! And all glories to the devotees of Lord Caitanya headed by Srivasa Thakura! All glories to all the devotees, headed by Srivasa Thakura. Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu is their life and soul. All glories to Svarupa Damodara and the devotees, headed by Srivasa Thakura. Please give me the strength to describe the character of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. All glories to Sri Advaita Acarya, who is very dear to Lord Caitanya! And all glories to the devotees of the Lord, headed by Srivasa Thakura! ------------------------ Rupa Gosvami teaches how to develop Krishna consciousness "...Upadesamrta constitutes the first instructions for neophyte devotees. One should follow these instructions very strictly. Then it will be easier to make one's life successful. ... The six Gosvamis were expert in scrutinizingly studying all the scriptures with the aim to establish real religion in the world. They left many books to guide us, the most famous of which is Sri Rupa Gosvami's Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (The Nectar of Devotion), which gives the neophyte devotee initial direction. "Therefore we have to follow the footsteps of Rupa Gosvami, rupanuga. Then we can understand Lord Caitanya. -------------- Paramananda Puri and Svarupa Damodara—were the heart and soul of the Lord. But the Lord is understood only in pursuance of the principles laid down by the Gosvamis, headed by Svarupa Damodara. This means that all Gaudiya Vaisnavas who are followers of the Caitanya cult are subordinate to Svarupa Damodara Gosvami. The parampara system is very strictly observed by Gaudiya Vaisnavas. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's personal secretary was Svarupa Damodara Gosvami. The next group of devotees was the six Gosvamis, then Kaviraja Gosvami. It is necessary to observe the parampara system of the Caitanya cult. To select our mahajanas in the Gaudiya-sampradaya, we have to follow in the footsteps of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His representatives. His next representative is Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami, and the next are the six Gosvamis ... Among the devotees who accompanied the Lord in Jagannatha Puri, two of them—Paramananda Puri and Svarupa Damodara—were the heart and soul of the Lord. Among the other devotees were Gadadhara, Jagadananda,.. Vakresvara, Damodara Pandita, Thakura Hariasa, Raghunatha Vaidya and Raghunatha dasa. ------------- Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is none other than the combined form of Sri Radha and Krsna. He is the life of those devotees who strictly follow in the footsteps of Srila Rupa Gosvami. Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Sanatana Gosvami are the two principal followers of Srila Svarupa Damodara Gosvami, who acted as the most confidential servitor of Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Svarupa Damodara has been identified as Lalita-devi, the second expansion of Radharani. However, the authoritative Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika of Kavi-karnapura describes Svarupa Damodara as the same Visakha-devi who serves the Lord in Goloka Vandavana. Therefore it is to be understood that Sri Svarupa Damodara is a direct expansion of Radharani who helps the Lord experience the attitude of Radharani. In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verses 147 through 153, it is stated: “The pleasure potency of Sri Krsna formerly known as Vrndavanisvare is now personified in the form of Sri Gadadhara Pandita in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu." Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has pointed out that in the shape of Laksmi, the pleasure potency of Krsna, she was formerly very dear to the Lord as Syamasundara-vallabha. The same Syamasundara-vallabha is now present as Gadadhara Pandita. Formerly, as Lalita-sakhe, she was always devoted to Srimati Radharani. In the Twelfth Chapter of this part of the Caitanya-caritamata there is a description of the descendants or disciplic succession of Gadadhara Pandita. The doctrine of transcendental enjoyment by Krsna cannot be mixed up with the doctrine of transcendental feeling of separation from Krsna in the role of Radharani. - ( The most raised vision is Svarupa Damodar as Lalita-devi. This highest vision. Lord Caitanya it Radha Krishna, about it has told Svarupa Damodara - ) As Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has explained, radha Krsna-... (Cc. Adi 1.5). The ahladini-sakti is manifested as Radharani, but Krsna and Radharani are the same, although one is potent and the other is potency. Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has described Lord Caitanya as Krsna Himself with the attitude of Radharani, or a combination of Radha and Krsna. The intention of Lord Caitanya is to taste Krsna's sweetness in transcendental love. He does not care to think of Himself as Krsna, because He wants the position of Radharani. Lord Caitanya has accepted the role of Radharani, and we should support that position, as Svarupa Damodara did in the Gambhira (the room where Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu stayed in Puri). He always reminded Lord Caitanya of Radha's feelings of separation as they are described in Srimad-Bhagavatam, The two transcendentalists Radha and Krsna are a puzzle to materialists. The above description of Radha and Krsna from the diary of Srila Svarupa Damodara Gosvami is a condensed explanation, but one needs great spiritual insight to understand the mystery of these two personalities. One is enjoying in two. Sri Krsna is the potent factor, and Srimati Radharani is the internal potency. According to Vedanta philosophy, there is no difference between the potent and potency: they are identical. We cannot differentiate between one and the other, any more than we can separate fire from heat. Lord Caitanya's heart was full of the feelings of Srimati Radharani, and His appearance resembled Hers. Svarupa Damodara has explained His attitude as radha-bhava-murti, the attitude of Radharani. Sri Svarupa-Damodara Gosvami has said that Radha and Krsna assumed oneness in the form of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvate Thakura comments in this connection that such feelings of separation as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu enjoyed from the books of Vidyapati, Caeoedasa and Jayadeva are especially reserved for persons like Sri Ramananda Raya and Svarupa Damodara, who were paramahamsas, men of the topmost perfection, because of their advanced spiritual consciousness. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu again entrusted him to Svarupa Damodara. Thus Raghunatha dasa rendered very confidential service with Svarupa Damodara Gosvami. PURPORT Antaraiga-seva refers to service performed in one's spiritual body. Svarupa Damodara Gosvami was formerly Lalitadevi. ------------------------------ (1 - Lord Caitanya that Radha Krishna. That Svarupa Damodar it Lalita (first expansion Radha which helps Krishna). ( 2- If the person worships Lord Caitanya as to Krishna, Gadahara Pandit it Radha, - ) In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verses 147 through 153, it is stated: “ The pleasure potency of Sri Krsna formerly known as Vrndavanisvare is now personified in the form of Sri Gadadhara Pandita in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. " ( Then the person sees Svarupa Damodar as Visakha devi) the authoritative Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika of Kavi-karnapura describes Svarupa Damodara as the same Visakha-devi who serves the Lord in Goloka Vandavana. ( But really role "Radha" plays Svarupa Damodara ( Lalita devi ), therefore Svarupa Damodara writes - ) " The pleasure potency of Sri Krsna formerly known as Vrndavanicvare is now personified in the form of Sri Gadadhara Pandita in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. " Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has pointed out that in the shape of Laksmi, the pleasure potency of Krsna, ( Because Svarupa Damodara is in role Radha, or because Lord Caitanya is Radharani - Radha Krisna, therefore Svarupa Damodara writes Gadadhara it Laksmi devi. ) CC - "Gadadhara Pandita's pure ecstatic love for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also very deep. It was like that of Rukmieedevi, who was always especially submissive to Krsna. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu sometimes desired to see Gadadhara Pandita's affectionate anger, but because of knowledge of the Lord's opulences, his anger was never invoked. For this purpose Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu sometimes showed His apparent anger. Hearing of this anger inspired great fear in the heart of Gadadhara Pandita. Previously, in Krsna-lila, when Lord Krsna wanted to joke with Rukminidevi, she took His words seriously, and fear awoke within her mind. ( Gaura Gadadhara it Laksmi Narayana really. Bhaktivinoda teaches in mood Rukminidevi worship Radha-Krisna. In any case training to direct relations ( sambhoga ), is a preliminary subject of training ) --- Version CC - "Previously, when Srimati Radharani felt the pangs of separation from Krsna, Her constant companion Lalita kept Her alive by helping Her in many ways. Similarly, when Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu felt Radharani's emotions, Svarupa Damodara Gosvami helped Him maintain His life. The transformations undergone by the Lord when He manifested severe unhappiness due to separation from Krsna cannot be described. Because the Lord associated with various devotees during the day, His mind was somewhat diverted, but at night the pangs of separation from Krsna increased very rapidly. Two people-Ramananda Raya and Svarupa Damodara Gosvami-stayed with the Lord to pacify Him by reciting various verses about Krsna's pastimes and by singing appropriate songs for His satisfaction. To describe the fortunate position of Ramananda Raya and Svarupa Damodara Gosvami is extremely difficult. They were renowned as intimately confidential friends of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Shrila Prabhupada's version - "Svarupa Damodara has been identified as Lalita-devi, the second expansion of Radharani. However, the authoritative Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika of Kavi-karnapura describes Svarupa Damodara as the same Visakha-devi who serves the Lord in Goloka Vandavana. Therefore it is to be understood that Sri Svarupa Damodara is a direct expansion of Radharani who helps the Lord experience the attitude of Radharani." ( Srivasa Thakur is directly in mood Lord Caitanya as. He is expansion Lord Caitanya and consequently He the head of all devotees Lord Caitanya. That Shrila Prabhupada preaches it and is pure fidelity. This pure Krishna Consciousness or the pure movement Lord Caitanya submitted in books of Shrila Prabhupada. If to whom that seemed that he already knows these books, he simply a fool and the materialist. Really position Lord Caitanya is highest. Lord Caitanya play role perfect highest pure devotee. Therefore following for pure devotee, everyone reaches the supreme perfection. Lord Caitanya as pure devotee it is Srivasa Thakur. Srivasa Thakur is in pure Krishna Consciousness or in mood Lord Caitanya it is direct. Therefore He is stay in PANCATATTVA. And consequently HE heads all devotees Lord Caitanya. Svarupa Damodara "help" Lord Caitanya in role "Radha". Ramananda Ray work as close friend or sakhi. Gosvamis write all doctrine KC, many aspects. Rupa Gosvami write pure combination sambhoga and vipralambha, having specified on vipralambha as the supreme mood But Srivasa Pandit as pure devotee Lord Caitanya teaches direct mood Lord Caitanya. Therefore He the head of all devotees Lord Caitanya ) Mood Lord Caitanya it is higest spiritual position, it is pure Krisna Conciousness. Bhaktivedanta Svami - "Everything is explained in Bhagavad-gita. Therefore, to learn how to become free from the miserable condition of material existence, Bhagavad-gita As It Is is the preliminary study. Then, if one understands Bhagavad-gita, one can proceed to Srimad-Bhagavatam [Krisna lila], and if one advances further, one may study Caitanya-caritamrta. Actually, the Caitanya-caritamrta is not intended for the novice, for it is the postgraduate study of spiritual knowledge. Ideally, one begins with the Bhagavad-gita and advances through Srimad-Bhagavatam to the Caitanya-caritamrta. Although all these great scriptures are on the same absolute level, for the sake of comparative study the Caitanya-caritamrta is considered to be on the highest platform. Bhaktivedanta Svami - "Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta will contain nothing newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally eaten by the Lord Himself." * * * "There are innumerable devotees of the Lord, of whom Srivasa Thakura is the foremost. I offer my respectful obeisances thousands of times unto their lotus feet."

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- Whether there can be who that in ISKCON the individual leader? - Srivasa Thakur as the head of all devotees Gaura lila - Whether it is necessary siddha pranali? - "You kill me, You break my heart" - A difference in sermon Bhaktivinoda Thakurа, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and Bhaktivedanta Svami - Whether can be vipralambha unique cultivated mood? - Real spiritual authority ISKCON to whom it belongs? ---------------------------- TO COOPERATE it it is much more difficult, than to meditate on groves Vrndavan. It is the fact. It is one more reason why Prabhupada has told - " all will be shown in cooperation ". Because THIS most difficult. Because in IT all also is shown. THEREFORE ISKCON it is unique. Because ANYBODY here cannot be the individual leader, crushing all others. As Prabhupada has established ISKCON, therefore at top ISKCON there can be only the one who will go in the steps Prabhupada and in His mood. Ramananda Ray and Svarupa Damodar are very close to Lord Caitanya. But Srivasa Thakurа Lord Caitanya in general has put near to itself. Because Srivasa Thakur understands Lord Caitanya even more and it is close to Him. Svarupa Damodar and Ramananda Ray assist Lord Caitanya. But Srivasa Pandit is in mood Lord Caitanya directly. They are very closely connected. It is one of the reasons why Srivasa Thakur does not go in Jaganatha Puri for Lord Caitanya, and it is sent Kamarahatta. He simply divides this mood with Lord Caitanya in Kamarahatta. In the same mood Lord Caitanya and in the same bhajan. He does not go, but somewhat He is the closest to Lord Caitanya. Therefore Srivasa Pandit the head of all devotees Lord Caitanya and consequently in He is present in Pancatattva. Therefore Shrila Prabhupada in the certain sense reformed sampradaya. All knowledge is important, but in the certain context Shrila Prabhupada writes or speaks - " This sastra is not necessary also this sastra not necessary. Do not read that, do not read it ". Because this mood Lord Caitanya comprises all. It is eternal bhajana Lord Caitanya and the supreme point of devoted service. Direct relations are shown spontaneously from this mood. Vipralambha it is the essence soul, therefore direct relations (siddha deha) are shown natural thus. That occurs further. After devotees receives this or that first- hand experience (siddha deha), he again comes back back to bhajana. It natural. And it as, the form of spiritual greed. (true laulyam) To not try to simulate direct relations (" siddha pranali ") it natural as. Because we do not have sufficient qualification. But those who have qualification, they nevertheless cultivate relations in the specific form - in vipralambha. Also it is a part of this mood vipralambha - "absence" of direct relations. It is the certain category of internal energy and the certain category of dependence on the God. It is not ignorance, no. It is the certain type of dependence on the Lord or the certain type of the control of INTERNAL ENERGY or the certain mood. "Not having" the relations, devotee nevertheless it is spiritual happy. Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur. Actually this sermon of beginnings Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur. Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur the first who has rejected the sermon babaji in the certain degree was. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur supported these or those installations sastra, such for example as siddha-deha. But Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur did not teach this. In it there was one of problems of His pupils, after His leaving. Because they have lost understanding in this or that degree. Babaji preached him - " you should follow on way Gosvami ". Babaji specified to them sastra where it is written about siddha-deha (and till now specify). Therefore the part GM has not stood and has moved on this sermon (siddha - pranali). Even now some from GM preach this philosophy "babaji" under a kind " pure Gaudiya ". Narayana Svami is mix GM and babaji. They do not follow in this sense for SBST. And a sign on all such people that is usual they advertise itself as the best followers. Concerning vipralambha writes BR Sridhara Svami - " if the person thinks that he falls, it usually a sign on his promotion. " [in a true context] this steady position - bhajana or mood of separation. " It is the good comment and most likely by virtue of this understanding as, БР Sridhara Svami had the certain recognition. Nevertheless comments GM on this theme always have the following specificity - separation is meant that anticipates a meeting. Bajana really conducts on a level of direct relations (siddha deha) natural in the image. BUT Shrila Prabhupada makes comments on this mood - He speaks that vipralambha it and there is a ultimate goal. Srila Bhaktivinoda began the sermon, Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur has continued and Bhaktivedanta Svami has finished finally. Both Bhaktivinoda Thakur and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Bhaktivedanta Svami all of them were in the same mood. vipralambha Bhaktivinoda Thakurа it "Saranagati" for example, but "Saranagati" this beginning of a spiritual life IN THIS case. "Saranagati" - a repentance, in correct sense, bhajana. Bhaktivinoda Thakur learned so - vipralambha - direct relations ( including siddha deha ). Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur preached too most. Only He not did references on siddha deha from which materialists have adjusted business (siddha -pranali). He as would write " Prakrita rasa " what very precisely to specify them. Shrila Prabhupada preached already all in a final kind. If we shall look from this point of view we shall see ascending gradation in the sermon acaryas. Though it is the same subject. This standard - aspiration to sambhoga Krishna lila, to direct relations (siddha deha), is the true standard. There is only one problem - those who will follow in the steps Shrila Prabhupada "do not reach" direct relations in the certain sense. Sastra Shrila Prabhupadas also it is written thus, she conducts on the certain level. Shrila Prabhupada is so strong, that writes - " I preach worldwide - we below than Rupa Gosvami ". /images/graemlins/smile.gif) It is the answer to everyone who preaches - "I am follower Pupa Gosvami" The perfect combination of direct fidelity (not in greatness) and mood of separation this is rupanuga. The mood Lord Caitanya is real is one separation. Nevertheless He has allocated Rupa Gosvami as The one who in the ideal image combines these both moods. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Really a position Lord Caitanya are higher than position Rupa Gosvami. Nevertheless Lord Caitanya has specified on Rupa Gosvami because in certain sense Rupa Gosvami represents both moods in the ideal image. In other sense Svarupa Damodar the head of all Gosvamis because Svarupa Damodar it is even more spiritually close Lord Caitanya. But Srivasa Thakur position it is direct mood Lord Caitanya. Shrila Prabhupada's position in correct sense is higher, than position Rupa Gosvami. But He writes - " I preach worldwide, I am lower than Rupa Gosvami ". /images/graemlins/smile.gif) He for "rupanugas" such probably has written It. Really it simply a part of spiritual mood as. Therefore everyone who follow Shrila Prabhupada test certain spiritual "difficulties". Cleanly my opinion will be, that Prabhupada simply stops the person from all premature attempts at least. And the second - He what that in the spiritual image holds us what to lift on the highest level of understanding. He holds us and He very strongly holds. It is impossible to win. Im-pos-si-ble. And then there comes understanding, later, that occurs. We want a spiritual life, we even have this or that experience, but then, later - all "stops". There is no movement. Stop. And any forces do not help. Shrila Prabhupada's Supreme position is those. The Supreme mood Lord Caitanya is those. When we reach some peak in this spiritual process we start to understand vaguely for the first time that the word "sincerity" in general means. Then the person achieves the following peak of devoted service - not looking on full and obvious disqualification (and sincere devotee "is disqualified" always), the person not looking on any circumstances (spontaneous fidelity?!) decides to serve all the same. This mood does devotee, probably, firm as a stone and then, this stone starts fuse. From this improbable pressure, from catalepsy, start to proceed the following external attributes of a spiritual life, without any your desire. But then, in due course, devotee starts to understand the nature of this great samadhi accordingly. Shrila Prabhupada has written the comments, as there is the most valuable and the most raised in all spiritual life as well as in general in all other world. It seems to me that now it is possible quite precisely and to understand definitely that Shrila Prabhupada's books mean! And what for Shrila Prabhupada has done so long way what to write them. Therefore in the beginning the person should develop belief knowledge. As we can receive this or that first-hand experience or blessings. And then, when the person becomes strong enough, the mood pure devotee starts to dominate. As we have no experience the person thinks - " I fall, the God has left me. " It somewhat so, in spiritual sense. Then, later, when we develop spiritual taste, the person herself remains in THIS mood (vipralambha). The person CAN meditation (siddha deha), but does not do it. It is the certain spiritual nature. It occurs from direct sensation of STRENGTHENING of a spiritual life! - Absence of meditation or any other artificial methods. It strengthens a spiritual life in this mood. Does not weaken! Nevertheless, what to facilitate understanding of an event, it is possible to tell and so about such mood are the certain spiritual sufferings. It is difficult to get used to sufferings. But this certain spiritual mood. In sambhoga the person supports itself, develop positive mentality. But in vipralambha so to operate it is impossible. Devotee gradually understands that he is disqualified, nevertheless he continues to serve. It seems to me that it is one of the external obvious moments. As it is described by Shrila Prabhupada- " What qualification I have got that I want to see back to home, back to Godhead? It is not so easy thing.... I should be happy even in the hell simply by thinking of Krsna. That is wanted. That is wanted. " This very strong mood, it is very deep - " I may not see Krsna for thousands and thousands of lives.... That does not matter. Still, I cannot give up Krsna consciousness.... How I can see Krsna? It is not possible. ” In this way. “ Without giving me audience, You kill me, You break my heart; still, You are my Lord, You are my worshipable Lord, nobody else. ” This is love. It is last verse Siksastaka and this mood of all gaudiya bhajana. It is the supreme and final point of all spiritual life. Therefore Shrila Prabhupada and our spiritual teacher, teach us to this. If we have positive experience to him it is necessary also negative, for absoluteness of a spiritual life. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Therefore receiving such experience at first we think that a spiritual life there has come the end. How many it occurs, one day? No so can occur and five- ten years while we shall not understand. And then we can estimate in the positive image all. These double riches. These boundless riches are real. As it has described Srila Rupa Gosvami - " When I meet Krishna, there is only I and Krishna. But when Krishna is not present, all world is filled with Him. " It is so nice, it is so poetry, it is so high and is so pure. For this reason gopis so roads Krishna. Matrimonial relations somewhat are more advanced in a marriage. Roads Gopi, because they completely devoted to Krishna. “ Without giving me audience, You kill me, You break my heart; still, You are my Lord, You are my worshipable Lord, nobody else. ” Prabhupada - "This is love. " It is full fidelity, it is a final point of fidelity, THIS supreme mood. Such mood as has taste, it is the supreme taste. THEREFORE Krishna has accepted this mood. If we understand the God - these great riches, but if we "do not understand" the Lord ( in vipralambha ) it is even more. Therefore devotee aspires to the God. But in this case (vipralambha), he operates is specific. Somewhat, in this mood, devotee does not accept all other methods. Simply from force of the feelings, he does not accept the everything else. If all is broken. If the person experiences full wreck what there can be a meditation for example? 74 O foremost of the Yadu clan, it is impossible for Srimati Radharani to live if You remain forgetful of Vrindavan. She is thinking that if death does not favor her soon then how will she be able to pass the days seeing the picturesque landscape which was formerly the abode of joy for her but is now simply a source of endless torture in Your absence. 78 Kubja now freely enjoys the pleasure of carefree residence in Your heart so who can be more fortunate than she? My simple friend Radha has somehow become bereft of her pious activities because she is no longer able to enter into that abode for even a moment. 79 O destroyer of the Mura demon! When Srimati faints at the whistling sound of the bamboo's in the wind remembering the sound of Your flute the elderly persons become puzzled and search for the cause of her malady. Some fear that she has been possessed by spirits, some apprehend that she was bitten by some cruel serpent not knowing that actually yes, she has been bitten by that snake Akrura. Others ascribe the cause to epilepsy, but no one actually knows. 80 O most beautiful one! Your form is like honey for the starving eyes of the world. You left for Mathura so long ago and Radha has become most anxious due to not getting any news about You. Lately, new waves of ominous fear are dancing constantly in the inner chambers of her mind. Rupa Gosvami. Therefore this supreme mood. It for mature devotees. For BEGINNING it is necessary siddha pranali, for their belief. Shrila Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur by and large did not operate in sambhoga. They know who they is in Krisna lila, but they operated in the other mood. All devotees Gaura lila stay in this mood. IT IS gift Lord Caitanya, in last stage He is stay IN THIS mood. IT IS gaudiya. " Real Caitanya Mahaprabhu sampradaya is that he should be feeling like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, separation. " Only Bhaktivinoda Thakur preaching FOR babaji speak about siddha deha. As Bhaktivinoda Thakur BEGAN the sermon, therefore He and has explained all FOR BEGINNING. All knowledge is necessary, but necessary to understand a spiritual life. Spiritual life ASSUME UNDERSTANDING. Instead of a certain cult. It not a blind cult. Devotees does not count itself worthy as (for siddha deha). When devotees does not count itself worthy it is a part madhurya rasa too. Ask itself what to you women like. You like women which are hung up stick to you? It is man's mentality, it not the female mentality - to stick to whom that. Devotees "does not develop" siddha deha and consequently, that its mood (vipralambha) is very strong. Somewhat, devotee it is already satisfied in KC. And as he accepts protection of internal energy and he lives and operates on internal logic of it (vipralambha) moods! Vipralambha it really very steady and unshakable position. The only thing, that a full context (vipralambha) in our case will not be, that direct relations (sambhoga, siddha deha), are a ultimate goal (in difference of the comment about vipralambha GM for example). It bhajana, this spiritual life. Therefore since some moment we REMAIN in this mood (vipralambha) meaningly. Since some moment, devotee does not force a spiritual life. That there is a function of spiritual reason. But it does not mean that he ceases to develop spiritually! No, simply having received a certain experience, he receives the following experience. Devotee forces nothing, nevertheless his spiritual life is very sated! It is the certain specific SPIRITUAL moment. Devotee can not accept that sastra and another. Because in the certain sense he does not require them and surpasses them. Therefore Prabhupada writes - " it is not necessary, I have given all. " Shrila Prabhupada as seems to me at all wanted to discuss this moment including because there is nobody was to discuss at that time. But as He uttama adhikari, therefore He has enclosed all in books, in ISKCON and in pupils. As Shrila Prabhupada uttama, therefore it is formal at all not explaining anything, He has made all directly. Look as work uttama! Thus we should understand sastra in a true context and to apply it accordingly. Actually this inconceivable business to explain what in general nobody knows including so-called GM. Inconceivable business to distribute movement alone without any support. But compare - to write sastra and to present true with several in thousand spiritual contexts! As far as it is immeasurably more difficult! Therefore these glorifications - " Prabhupada has made the tough job ... " They at all do not understand THAT He has made, as a subject of a spiritual life do not understand up to the end. Bhajana can have different motive but as bhajana the person can recognize that is steady. The person can test spiritual "sufferings", but it is steady in this mood nevertheless. Bhajana it as a shelter. Separation it too the God. Therefore this mood this Krishna Consciousness. In this sense the person can and NOT CHANGE this mood (to not receive any pranali). Especially any artificial pranali. Even having received pranali the person comes back back in vipralambha. If some has taste, then he is work this. We can quite understand, that cultivating vipralambha or bajana, we become more mature. We become more mature and then we can receive a mature fruit of direct relations. BUT... If we can not receive direct relations? What is it? It is eternal bajana. It also is that Shrila Prabhupada preaches. This mood Lord Caitanya. ( Still couple of years, and I can prove it 165 in the ways. ) Therefore devotee can and not receive a fruit of direct relations. Though it not so all is strict, as both those (sambhoga) and others (vipralambha) relations are spiritual. Nevertheless IN PROCESS OF the DEVELOPMENT, devotee can deepen only ONE mood. Lord Caitanya is in one mood. In the beginning He shows many moods, but then only one mood later dominates. Anyhow direct relations it is relations of spiritual happiness and absence of relations (vipralambha), it too spiritual happiness both that and another spiritually and favorably. Thus, since Bhaktivinoda Thakurа us also have brought to understanding that is true Gaudiya siddhanta. Bhaktivinoda Thakur writes in Jaiva Dharma that the person should be equally located between Krishna lila and Gaura lila. Besides Shrila Prabhupada in the supreme sense preaches only one mood Gaura lila. In the SOME sense it is not important, whether there is Shrila Prabhupada Shrivasa Thakur whether or not. It is simply possible to understand thus why Srivasa Pandit part Pancatattva. I by the way as that looked through old forums Visnupada, and so that Shrila Prabhupada is Narada Muni, one devotee already wrote for a long time. Such ideas already were, a difference that we could not understand POSITION Srivasa Panditа independently, Prabhupada has written all this in the His books. Srivasa Thakur as began this sermon in Navadvipa not looking on all circumstances and consequently that Srivasa Thakur is the friend to Krishna as Shrila Prabhupada writes - "to friends He gives all ". Therefore go in the steps Shrila Prabhupada who that can develop conformity qualification. But such person will never apply on anything in with this specificity. It is answer. Therefore Shrila Prabhupada only is dared - because He has established a society where the REAL spiritual authority will ALWAYS be in hands devotees, which it do not apply on anything. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Which are transcendental also which Lord Caitanya indefinitely will simply immerse all in this devoted service in mood. It is such big theme! Thus antheming will grow only, bringing only one fruit which is described in Siksastaka (and all other parts of a spiritual life too). If you have 100 roubles 50 roubles too are in 100 roubles. It is possible to read many books. But the UNDERSTANDING comes from dialogue with pure devotee Lord Caitanya - Srivasa Thakura. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Therefore it is better to accept uttama guru, avoiding those who is occupied in self- glorification and to avoid kanistha adhikari, aspiring to material dividends. Hare Krisna, all glories guru and Gauranga!

It is idea Bhaktivinode Thakura. All russian ISKCON start from namahatta program. Lord Caitanya speak brahman Kurma -"stay home, chant holy name and preach".

You not has any right "edite" posts anothers. I am has nice mantra and I am send her you FREE if you be edited posts anothers. This forum take SOME place for preach it is good. But you do not has owner all people stay here. If you has forum it is not means - you dictate anothers. You boys so many speak - "ISKCON karmis, ISKCON dictate", but you first karmis. First person leave "bad ISKCON", second go strange things. If you be do this things, I am work for yours big reklam in Russia.

We are all to be full mistakes. Needs chant, read, preach simply. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks Prabhu. You good reader, then some memory come for me. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Yes. We need be people first. I am take so many experience with Visnupada. It first darsan Lord Caitanay take for me Visnupad. I am see His, Prabhupada dnd Lord Caitanya. It is start for madhyama adhikara. I am write this only for glory Harikesi Prabhu. I am doubth, when many guru be able take this darsan. Srila Prabhupada come see theis tehemple Moskow, mahaksadasa. We write many arguments about this new themple in Russian forums. Themple not wall, themple pfilosophy. I am sure what Srila Prabhupada glad when we discuss spiritual science, when we try understand spiritual with reason. This wey uttama and Srila Prabhupada give so many blessings for us. Thanks, your servant kailasa. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

When this day will come and I shall come back in an spiritual world? Having seen the true reality, through some time of feeling will come in itself. And hearing voices in the distance, it is valid only then I can understand that the word "native land" means... There are many things which can be named as acintya - "incomprehensible", But who so beautiful has written a picture of an spiritual world? Greatness of the Lord incomprehensibly, but the primary beauty is even more immeasurable! Rising and falling with the surplus feelings, whether I can see a source of all beauty? Certainly, only in this case the infinite spiritual desire will be executed... --------------- All magnificence is eternally combined with incomprehensible beautiful. But magnificence of all spiritual world only assist the primary Person And all magnificence proceeds from primary appeal of the Lord. Magnificence penetrates itself everywhere, and exists as his small echo - a material world. Magnificence is based upon power of the Lord - magnificence amazes, it has no borders! But magnificence is not all essence. --------------- Exist darsan which nature is made in non-material, unearthly appeal of the Lord Again and again the person feel happiness and perception instantly wakes up All feelings test blossoming and spontaneously come to its culmination - become one feeling And the soul, directly drinks happiness of spiritual beauty It is a real life and it that searches for everyone and it and there is an Absolute True! Expansion Lord Caitanya is those. ----------------- About meditation- Mind cannot understand the nature of incomprehensible attractive Imperfect mind tries to catch the perfect image But due to desire, even only the shadow of a reality, brings satisfaction Because even the small success, carries away set of doubts And consequently what even the small success, is a part of not dual reality. And then later, I shall refuse artificial meditation, Because I shall find even more perfect belief. And then later, I shall refuse artificial meditation, For that that she would become even more perfect.

Probably who that will tell that Visnupad has fallen, therefore He was not the true guru. But excuse, I and others, have received so much from HIM. If I have received so much spiritual direct experience from guru as I can tell that it was not authoritative? How I can feel what that bad feelings for Him even if He has left movement? In any case, the spiritual teacher worked on me 15 years. And cleanly actually I OWE to Him these 15 years at least! 15 years I operated as the fool and as soon as the guru had problems, now it is necessary to throw Him and to run? No. There can be what that leaders of other organizations "have not fallen"? But whether there is at them or at their pupils even a part of what we ALLOCATE in Harikesa Svami? That did we perceive that DIRECTLY from HIM? Actually, as to Harikesa Svami, essence here not in losses of the status sanyasa. No. Well, He " has decided to marry ". But all this not essentially. Srila Prabhupada writes - " sanyasis in that case can become grihastha " (if wants to marry). Here a problem not that who that has changed Ashram. Well - here a problem that who that has fallen with sanyasa which has accepted in 20 years. There were no at Prabhupada other people. In ISKCON as having received sanyasa you do not become sovereign mister, shooting down under it also sastra as GM. I to you shall tell that in some organizations - they in fact not fools. If you "are not perspective", fools are not present to suffer for you. They can much what speak, but is real many of them simply use pupils. Well, is kanistha adhikari which the God punishes for their nonsense thus probably. In ISKCON they were children, accepting sanyas in 20 years. So such sanyas can become difficulty.( Some "sanyasi" GM at that time already prepared for war with ISKCON and Prabhupada) Precisely as and now guru ISKCON is pulled all pupils - from here problems. ISKCON, at least which I know, does not practise cheap stuff - sahajiya. And as ISKCON not impersonal, when to authority all the same that there with your spiritual life. GM important that you would receive "initiation". It means that now you of "them" and of it to you will remind on a regular basis. It means that they "true". Actually this absence of knowledge and belief. When the pupil convinces itself " that all correctly ". Especially delightfully to prove it to anothers, that " our guru true ". /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Yes our guru is on Goloka, is the fact. My both gurus therefrom and many others still as. Well also what GM proves? Whose that authorities are even higher? So it where? Above Goloka? Above Goloka again begins Vaikuntha. Arguments on sanyasa are interesting. It is possible to see that true mayavadis all naistika brahmacaris as a rule. And if they such brahmacaris, the true means mayavada? We are on the interesting moment. Lord Caitanya has accepted sanyasa only for the sake of mayavadis. SBST as has won in all their such high-grade image. But it is interesting what true proves the fact brahmacari? If who that preaches a certain invention that 4 principles can prove invention? No. Guru ISKCON so much time spend for that what to help anothers. But there are also others which "have so promoted" that him you deeply all the same receive a spiritual management whether or not. These are those who anything never risk, and what for? They is "uttama". Therefore guru ISKCON have difficulties. Eventually these difficulties are inevitable and for example from primary pupils GM in general remained a few people. The reality is those. SBST reformed this system of peasants - babaji. His named the simha-guru because He did not operate in "standard" pseudo traditions of " the restrained sadhu-materialists ". And Visnupad operated in the same spirit. In what still there can be a reason of what Srila Prabhupada has told - " favourite grandson Bhaktisiddhanta "? Because Visnupad was that who most better embodied this mood SBST. Now look further. Visnupad at "life" has specified in fact to the senior pupils of the USSR that guru whom they should follow. Simply look at the facts - all senior pupils Visnupadа of the former USSR cooperate with one guru. They have accepted Him as diksa guru or siksa guru. I do not want to make a cult as at us in ISKCON many remarkable gurus and are uniform system, but for the sake of cult Visnupadа nevertheless I shall notice such fact. After leaving Visnupadа I know that was difficult to accept whom that. Personally I always followed many gurus and accepted their gurus. And they by the way as always reciprocated. When Visnupad has left, at me personally was 10 about the guru. Which I knew also which ALREADY enough were my gurus. As I never followed only to one guru (and there is no such concept of the guru). Therefore somewhat it seemed that the big problem is not present. But it is real, later, certainly I have understood that the problem is, why? - from for attachments. I cannot exclude this experience received from Visnupadа. And all these experiences for all this time. All this is real also all this spiritually. Certainly, the supersoul operates in each spiritual teacher. But one certain incomprehensible moment in Visnupadе was, He was what that the amazing PERSON. All this was very much personally, it was not impersonal. It not was simply certain brahman. Whom that Visnupad some disciple personally pushed and ignored. But even ignoring! It has been filled with ecstasy (a sight from the side). It actually His experience with Prabhupada. Prabhupada always punished Him. Visnupad spoke about it is " with others Prabhupada was even on equal ". Why, because He protected Him. Precisely as also care Vishnupad of one disciple not recognizing him. And all this personally! He has taken and has made of other disciple of the good guru, devotee and the person. Well the person he always was good, only without Harikesa Svami in the USSR in past time then any normal would not survive. Has taken and has made from the third disciple too the good leader. What to speak - guru Vishnupad whether or not? Look at His disciples! Each of them preaches on a half of the world. That there who that murmurs about "acaryas". Even some disciples of the "fallen (!)" guru make spiritually more, than "acaryas" all taken together. This the fact. All is really "acaryas" follow for ISKCON, it is not difficult for proving and showing. And as Visnupad has transferred the disciples to other guru whom we as very much love also which there is our guru, ours Visnupad and our Srila Prabhupada! Now think and answer to me - as to me, knowing set of these facts and it is a lot of still other facts, to not recognize Harikesa Svami? If to develop in general all picture it will turn out that it is necessary to recognize Him. There are affairs which HE has made and this fact is not possible for ignoring! There are affairs which are made on time forward as. It is simple the facts. In it there is no belief or bias. Certainly in ISKCON many gurus are our gurus. My gurus and each other guru from them it is transcendentally unique. Each of them simply gives itself and thus we have a spiritual life. Besides as well as I was necessary to a stupid dog simply I follow for... Visnupad, having accepted whom He has specified. It is made long before "falling" therefore to me difficultly to tell that it not so. And I am not disappointed. Moreover, everything, that should give me on sastra, the guru, I have received. So what claims can be at me? Basically I should not receive many blessings and I know it. But I have received them and consequently as I can not like a spiritual life? How I can be not adhered to the diksa guru? But on the other hand as it is possible to ignore all my previous experience? Really it is the same guru. Really the guru one also is not present two gurus. Nevertheless each of the guru the person. Really it also is sampradaya - set of transcendental persons. In what actually spiritual taste? How you think than the God enjoys? Than we - whether enjoy a variety? In what actually humility, if the guru "one"? In what here there can be a true? How it in general is possible? And what for it is necessary? It impersonal a position or a material position, here would be not necessary be the professor what to understand it. As to that spoke Visnupad about Srila Prabhupada. That in the first is family. In the second it simply an echo of that tried to pour out a dirty on ISKCON the some people at that time. And it to what resisted Harikesa Svami. Too most and ISKCON. Would be silly to think that all ISKCON or each of us so it is strongly devoted to Prabhupada. Devoted certainly, in a different degree. But what Prabhupada do not use? Use undoubtedly. Besides Visnupad has blocked their way. He has blocked way ISKCON sahajiyas for example. That was after His leaving - sahajiyas began to beat in drums and urgently to alter ISKCON in " correct Gaudiya ". This following to Srila Prahupada? - No. Probably it is a part of a spiritual life. Can be. But it never should become all or a basis of all - never. Because not in it essence of a spiritual life, the sermon Lord Caitanya, Srila Bhaktisiddhana and Srila Prabhupada's moods. Therefore Harikesa Svami the most dear grandson Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura. That the most dear son Srila Prabhupada means. Because He UNDERSTOOD all this. Because He made all meaningly. He has left? - yes, He has left. He could not leave? YES, HE COULD NOT LEAVE. For this purpose He should depart aside and to give way karmis. But He has not made it. Well and as though you have acted on His place? What interestingly it is better - to have "good" relations with karmis-kalicelas-kanisthas or so to be crucifixion? Therefore it is position Visnupadа - " to be lost in battle better, than to pray in a corner ". All witnesses that it His words which He spoke not once. We should leave from this black-and-white world. The world color, he not black-and-white. To accept all or to not accept anybody is absence reason. " Completely to accept " Visnupadа for example or after completely His to reject - too most. This absence of reason. (I do not follow His today's position). In general probably there are only two positions- The first position is a devotee - neophyte - true the servant of all. The second position is "advanced" devotee. (an average part) That that the third simply is not present in the nature! Of you or do the first, or the second. Therefore wonderfully developing in a role of the servant, the person through what that time takes a position advanced devotee! And if to try to communicate on simple with such devotees there will be a mis-un-der-stan-ding. From what it you suddenly? And you have accepted me as authority? You all over again accept me, and then and we shall talk. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I understand that simply is not necessary for the some neither a spiritual life, nor dialogue. Certain "authority" or another's which would increase their image is simply necessary for them. They do not want to think. What for to think, to create material system and any anxieties better. The authority what to divide all on "correct" devotee and "wrong" devotee is necessary for us, instead of that what to understand philosophy KC. Therefore such "authorities" (an average link) suffer as they do not have not enough normal dialogue. And then such "authorities" leave from ISKCON, suddenly informing all many different "revelations". Others " not authorities " up to what that of the moment cannot anything plainly and in what that the moment become next "authority". We should become simply than that to average - madhyama. We should not become than that big or than that too small. Give everyone will accept the natural size. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Eventually even Krishna speaks - " be better itself, than whom that another o Arjuna. " /images/graemlins/smile.gif As this system GM - " it is true, because the authority has told ", no, it not so. Truly, because sastra confirms. True authority it is necessary to accept with reason. Srila Prabhupada writes about it is " not blindly, uttama ". Different lectures can differ, but the reason is necessary what to understand, what even different lectures can be true. Thus sampradaya learns us. All philosophy - acintya bheda abheda - unity and difference. Srila Prabhupada has specified GBC every year to discuss this theme - unity and difference. Unity and difference of that? Everything because it is essence only. Unity and difference of a spiritual life. Therefore the third is necessary to make of this system "authority" and " not " authorities. Precisely just as all these discussions - ritviks - cultism - impersonal. The answer is already given - siksa sampradaya. Ritviks it is materialism. Cultism it is not perfect, and in itself does not answer installations sastras. Impersonal in general the devil concept, a devil preaches Impersonal. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Therefore the answer - siksa sampradaya - the union devotees. ISKCON. ISKCON ALREADY so it is made acarya. The true form of a spiritual life is those. Certainly, the circuit the "guru - disciple" is the eternal circuit. But in the first we should understand its essence, and in the second it always exists in siksa sampradaya. One diksa guru cannot make all. Not a question of the theory, it it is possible and to prove and show it. Uttama adhikari - SBST and Srila Prabhupada established siksa sampradaya, the true is those. Therefore if you search uttama, they present. All who follow for uttama and can become uttama. ISKCON it is a principle madhyama adhikari at least, it not a principle kanistha adhikari which are separated. If who that counts that that that imperfect in ISKCON so find adherents and make .. This dialogue which exists, we and create him. One preach in one image, others another in .. That all than that what for would become necessary to one? One sermon another involves one, other people. It is possible to discuss philosophy and then we shall understand her, well and how this or that cultism will help? It will not help. Similar that ISKCON has received the ground in Moscow. Yes, it is the certain victory. Symbolicalally as that the leader of Russian ISKCON - Bhaktivigyana Gosvami Maharaja has met at this time with Harikesa Prabhu. /images/graemlins/smile.gif It is natural. Therefore let me to repeat words of one of agents of KGB during first arrival Harikesa Svami to the USSR - " jaya Visnupad ". /images/graemlins/smile.gif

---yes... but it is a gradual process. Yes, i am speak in another contecst. ***Until you are kanista you do not perform real service to the uttama adhikari then to krsna. Yes, but uttama has absolute position, YOU POSITION no has any value in this case. You understand? ***If you perform real service you have to be classified as uttama adhikari. In some sence yes. ---gradually.... a mixed who serving gets perfection is no more mixed, he's pure. And from the point of view of the disciple he never was mixed If you follow instruction uttama you work like uttama. Sadhana it is good, but not all instruction uttama.

***..i am trying to following prabhupada's instructions to follow uttama adhikaris Yes. Then needs guru who follow Prabhupada. ***Kanista adhikari does not really follow, he's mixed, he wants some krsna and some gratification. This is not real following You do not understand. Real uttama make you all kanistha adhikara as uttama. You understand? God all powerful. Yes we mixed, but in servise uttama make you perfect. You understand? ***if i follow the kanista i can only get the shadow, not the real thing Kanistha is who stay in lila not perfect. We speak in this contecst. ***.....who follows an uttama adhikari guru is not forced to be sectarian.. yes, uttama try do all uttama. Kanistha try do "uttama" only himself. ***who follows a kanista guru thinking that all gurus are kanista is an aparadhi Yes kanistha see all kanisthas, madhyam many levels, not only external behaviour. It is words sastra - "kanistha adhikari see devotion on external behaviour."

You great, if you gopi for example. You thus the spiritual competitor both your beautiful clothes and all other kind speak all rests about it. Though certainly, all of you still a toy which can be left at any moment. By the way, it is not known how many on it will agree, practising so strong, magnificent it is possible to tell, attachments to the God. You great that also become it is even more, if you queen Dvaraka and thus Krishna your lawful spouse already. And already and many sing many to you glories and it is possible to feel all sweet to be whom that. You insignificant and you do not supervise Krishna in a role of his parents. You do not bind His rope, adding two missing fingers of a rope what to bind Him is I do not remember, two fingers - fidelities and detachment probably? And can knowledge and detachment? I do not remember that that like it. You are not at war together with the God and do not put carelessly the hand to Him on a shoulder. And you do not fall on a bottom of causal ocean to look at the lord of the universe. You not His perfect servant which in the perfection exhales light everywhere the cleanliness. Which together with comely light exhales also the perfect mantras, tantras and yantras. And which supplements all this and without that dazzling light joti also with light of many and many thousand accessory which so are important in worship the God! You insignificant and consequently if from you to try that that to take away it is impossible to take away anything because there is nothing to take away. Is possible to try that that to add to you, but besides anything and to not add to the one who is insignificant. You insignificant, empty place, therefore Krishna at all does not kiss you, because you would not suitable for that that kissed you. You as do not untwist donkeys with force Lord Balarama and do not scatter them on tops of trees. Well can normal devotees behave so? /images/graemlins/smile.gif You as do not play any expressed role by virtue of the insignificance. Therefore you are completely free from any obligations. And this phenomenon arises from natural nature. You insignificant, therefore if you will leave a society devotees anybody will not notice it. And consequently it is possible will go to walk, collecting florets and to come in camp of Krishna. And to tell to Him about all last plans of persons interesting Him. And He will be very pleased with you. Listening to hot discussion of these news among friends Krishna, you again leave. Because up to you besides anybody does not have any affair. But certainly, as Krishna is the Supreme Person, therefore He is lit up with a smile happy and understanding you. /images/graemlins/smile.gif You insignificant but sometimes to you for one instant, would be desirable to become whom that. Therefore having returned to opposite camp, now you tell there about all plans which have just heard in the other place. Hmm. That will be then in consequence such activity, basically it at all does not disturb you. It does not disturb you and cannot disturb because you feel increasing pleasure and the patronage for such affairs. As you disturbs nothing, because idleness and irresponsibility, she is yours natural the nature. Such nature as has the full right for a life and is especial in an spiritual world! Yes. You are disturbed nothing because you by insignificant. And you simply anticipate the future events, with a clever kind noding concerning other very clever conversations. But besides, very short-sightedly, anybody does not see it. Because anybody serious does not concern to you and does not look at all in your side. You feel pleasure and absolute rest because nobody knows and cannot know that you were there in camp of Krishna. You feel pleasure and absolute rest as and consequently, that nobody knows and cannot know more, than you know. At least in this situation. You feel pleasure filling you and absolute rest as and consequently, that you never are the contender anywhere and to anybody. Simply by the nature of your insignificance. You feel pleasure and an absolute pacification because all sides - both those and others, are grateful to you for such good devoted service. Carrying the spiritual blessing all in devoted service, you cannot as to become and object of criticism. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Well who can be better than the one who carefully warns others of the future events? You as feel happiness of the perfect knowledge of rasa in devoted service. Because to anybody not come in a head that chaos which has arisen after your activity, can please Krishna. Then half an hour you got under feet at all gopas and gopis and add in this arisen chaos yours shout. Then you catch for what that mataji. You look at Her yours wet, but fair and sincere eyes. Starting up it is a little salivas just in case, now the moment to let know as far as you are devoted to Her! /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif Yes, you! calm Her your harmless kind and your tears remind Her of eternal values of a life and transitoriness of wordly love. Harmless and little bit offended kind you remind Her of lasting values life and certainly about true and gentle love to children! All yours kind you let know to Her, that you always on Her party! Yes, it so, to us is simple it to not understand. She even take you on hands and calming you, calm itself including. But already in one instant, She transfer you to another person! I waited for it in reply to my devoted service? And all this occurs because you do not play these relations of absolutely any role! Who you there - the child... invalid or brahman what, to anybody is not present any affair who you and how many and that you want. Nobody interested with your position because all are occupied with another and in the center of you there will be never. And as anybody up to you does not have any affair and what even sacred - motherhood, has not worked, therefore the person very clearly understands what to shout and cry is useless further. Eventually having thought philosophically, you understand what to lay on whose that secondary hands it more favourably, than to stand on the ground itself. /images/graemlins/smile.gif --------------------- And if so there was, that you on the nature empty place, be not surprised, if you see in the own garden - Radha and Krishna. Because they like to be there where anybody is not present.

Everywhere it is possible to develop spiritually certainly, but it is necessary to go in the standard way, a spiritual life not focuses which shows diksa guru. Diksa guru does not teach the category of an electric current and as vapu - direct dialogue, is not determining in a spiritual life. I recently read letter Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami, you know, it very much was pleasant to me. To tell the truth I was so is strongly inspired with this letter and as have written many many many others and outside of ISKCON who stays as - " we became adhered to Him even more. " It is exact as my sensation - I have learned the spiritual master even more and I became adhered even more. Undoubtedly that such long and painful illness weakens the person and we know the reasons of this illness. Undoubtedly as also - you read that each word of this letter is the truth and receive confirmation - truth, truth, truth, truth. Sometimes we read that that and we hear - lie, half-truth, lie, lie. Not looking at such serious illness and age moving to 70, Satsvaruoa dasa Gosvami continues the sermon. He obtains a recognition " Washington post ", that it sounds simply extremely, and not including all rest - books, correspondence and music. And all this the direct sermon, is that search in the sermon, about which Srila Prabhupada writes - "uttama". Reading his story "Nimai das and mouse", it is quite possible to understand that the spiritual master searches for those who really is interested in a spiritual life. As I remember after His book " Reform japa " has changed completely the reading, for me it simply the fact. As His books on christianity. SBT actually for a long time enough studied christianity, seeing in christianity true and then later only has accepted vaisnavism. I simply write it to that the true acceptance and comprehension of a spiritual life occurs in many image. As now I see a source of many qualities of some our gurus who received at him sanyas. Such pulse, it that proceeds from Srila Prabhupada, the personal relation, simplicity and absence of lie. Probably this one of spiritual qualities ISKCON - ISKCON it is simple. In ISKCON it is difficult to screw up relations in such a manner that to reach own glorification, but in a flash Krishna can bring down on the person ocean TRUE! Glorifications. ISKCON, and easier speaking Krishna, can as also other ocean to create, but as a rule all this spiritually, it results to that the person is cleared. ISKCON as a matter of fact does not pull on the "religious" organization, I thought that many things it poorly for ISKCON earlier, but now I think that it well and that thus in ISKCON will be smaller than materialists and those who searches simply for sect. Already is sects much, choose to taste, what for from ISKCON to make sect? Personally I against. ISKCON it is strict and even if to you 64 and you have simply a little talked to the woman and even if you have regalia, all the same you get under court! /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif it is obvious, that Krishna has simply released{exempted} the spiritual master from superfluous duties for Him. ----------------------- Philadelphia, 14 July, 1975 " Yes, everybody says like that, that I am incarnation of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. "

Sastra so it is wisely made, that allegories " on the fool " are given. That is it is possible to translate incorrectly a Sanskrit, it is possible to try interpret, but the concrete allegory does interpretation impossible because in addition and capaciously illustrates a verse. For example- SB 10.87.38 " The illusory material nature attracts the minute living entity to embrace her, and as a result he assumes forms composed of her qualities. Subsequently, he loses all his spiritual qualities and must undergo repeated deaths. You, however, avoid the material energy in the same way that a snake abandons its old skin. Glorious in Your possession of eight mystic perfections, You enjoy unlimited opulences. " That is maya covers soul, but the God is not. He - " that a snake abandons its old skin ". The soul falls one, and the God "avoid" from influence is similar snake dumping a skin. That is the snake and a skin this single whole. Precisely as soul and the God are connected indissolubly, but the soul falls only, and the God is not - " that a snake abandons its old skin ". If "skin" it maya, too most. The following text- SB 11.2.37 " When the living entity is attracted by the material energy, which is separate from Krsna, he is overpowered by fear. Because he is separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead by the material energy, his conception of life is reversed. In other words, instead of being the eternal servant of Krsna, he becomes Krsna's competitor. This is called viparyayo ' smatiu. To nullify this mistake, one who is actually learned and advanced worships the Supreme Personality of Godhead as his spiritual master, worshipful Deity and source of life. He thus worships the Lord by the process of unalloyed devotional service. " Here for example - "asmritih" means oblivion. "Smriti" on a Sanskrit it remember, and "asmritih" this oblivion. Please who that wants to argue with it? Please argue what at babaji arguments? "Oblivion" means that relations existed. Otherwise a word "oblivion" or "forgetfulness" senselessly. Thus true translation even one word proves the full text. If their translation speaks about another, it means incorrect translation simply. Those who give other translation or deceive you, or incorrectly translate. CC Madhya 22.24 " The living entity is bound around the neck by the chain of maya because he has forgotten that he is eternally a servant of Krsna. " The following translation - "bhuli" on bengali it besides "oblivion", "bhuli" can as to matter "to leave". For example- CC Madhya 24.239 " Narada Muni replied, ' Leaving the path, I have come to you to settle a doubt that is in my mind." One more text from CC with a word "bhuli"- CC Madhya 20.117 " Forgetting Krsna, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy [maya] gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence." It as quotes and SBT in Jaiva Dharma. " The individual soul is spiritual. Nevertheless the spiritual soul may be placed under the control of inanimate matter. " The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master of the illusory potency maya. Maya is under His control. On the other hand, the individual spirit soul may in some circumstances find himself under the control of maya. Therefore the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the individual spirit souls and the illusory potency maya are three distinct entities eternally. " The soul at the some circumstances gets under the control maya. " (that is here it is not told that she initially is under this control, but - " under some circumstances gets under the control maya ") " The individual soul may sometimes find himself under the control of the illusory potency maya, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead is always the controller of maya. In this way the individual spirit soul and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are different eternally. That is the difference between the God and soul in that that soul can fall, but the God is not. " The eternal nature and duty of the individual soul is service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If he forgets this duty, the individual souls comes under maya's control. Then the soul stays away from Lord Krsna. That staying away from Lord Krsna means that the soul enters the material world. " Lord Krsna is the totality of spiritual existence. He is like a sun from which many spiritual universes have come. The individual spirit souls are rays of light from that Krsna-sun. There are many individual spirit souls. The soul is expansion of KRISHNA. " To this I reply, You cannot speak in that way. If my opponent then protests, " Why not? " then I reply: From Lord Krsna limitless individual souls are manifested as His parts and parcels. Still, Lord Krsna is not diminished even slightly because of that. The soul is expansion of KRISHNA. (Here it is not spoken that the soul is a part of Maha Visnu.) " In all the Vedas it is said that the individual souls are like sparks emanating from the blazing fire of Lord Krsna. However none of these comparisons give a completely accurate picture of the real truth. The examples of the great fire and the spark, the sun and the rays of light, and the alchemists stone and gold do not describe the entire situation. Therefore, rejecting these material analogies, one should look inside his heart and there he will understand the truth of the soul's nature. The soul is a part of KRISHNA. " Lord Krsna is the great spiritual being and the individual soul is the infinitesimal spiritual being. Lord Krsna and the individual soul are one in the sense that they are both spiritual. However, Lord Krsna is the complete whole and the individual souls are only parts of the whole. That is the difference between them. " Lord Krsna is the supreme attractive, and the individual spirit soul is attracted to Him. Lord Krsna is the supreme controller, and the individual spirit soul is controlled by Him. Lord Krsna sees all, and the individual spirit soul is observed by Him. Lord Krsna is perfect, and the individual spirit soul is poor and lowly. Lord Krsna is all-powerful, and the individual soul is powerless. Therefore the eternal nature or religion of the individual soul is to be a faithful servant of Lord Krsna eternally. " When he forgets the service of Lord Krsna, the soul finds himself situated in the material world of repeated birth and death. " When he is in contact with the illusory potency maya, the individual soul is covered by a body of gross and subtle material elements. " First, the soul identifies himself with the subtle material body. Second, he identifies himself with the gross material body. Third, he identifies himself as the subtle and gross bodies mixed together. In this way the soul's conception of his identity becomes changed. In his pure state the individual soul is an unalloyed devotee of Lord Krsna. " When the soul thus has a false conception of his identity, his original nature becomes perverted. Srila Prabhupada- " Since time immemorial each living entity has accumulated the various reactions of his good and bad work. As such, he is continuously ignorant of his real constitutional position. Ones ignorance can be removed by the instruction of the Bhagavad-gita, which teaches one to surrender unto Lord Sri Krsna in all respects and become liberated from the chained victimization of action and reaction, birth after birth. Arjuna is therefore advised to act in Krsna consciousness, the purifying process of resultant action. " Having forgotten that purpose since time immemorial, they are situated in different bodies, as men, animals, demigods, etc. Such bodily differences arise from forgetfulness of the transcendental service of the Lord. The fragment of God, the living entity, may fall down into the material world, but the Supreme Lord (Acyuta) never falls down..... " ----------------------------- Acaryas they preach in conformity with sastra. The spiritual leader even should know that speaks sastra and acaryas, concerning falling soul. The spiritual leader can not drink tea, but even once it is necessary to read words SBT what to not enter others into error. When the person reads, he even can formally learn that soul, for example, falls from an spiritual world because in the other case the discomfiture turns out.

True sampradaya it siksa parampara. Diksa guru it certainly essence of all spiritual masters. But other spiritual masters, it undoubtedly essence of lectures diksa guru. Real siksa parampara this set of spiritual masters which cooperate with each other. Actually it is spiritual paradise. When even probable imperfections concrete spiritual master or another imperfections are levelled by all sampradaya. In it essence ISKCON and in it essence of lecture of Srila Prabhupada - " your fidelity to Me will be shown in how you will cooperate. " In my restrained opinion IT Srila Prabhupada as wanted to establish spiritual parampara. Therefore a role and actions of one guru always are meant in this context. And activity of one concrete guru it is good, but it is not all sampradaya. As to " pure devotee " or " uttama devotee " in this case everyone become occupied in devoted service at a level uttama. Therefore actually there is no necessity for different sorts "calculations" uttama because uttama it is always obvious about what as Srila Prabhupada spoke. As it would would be desirable to tell that for that what to preach or initiate, not so necessarily "to involve" in external initiation or different ways "involve" in the organization. The sermon uttama devotee outside of confession in the certain sense and as does not depend on many formalities. Actually uttama adhikari initiates all informally and already after that, formal initiation it is shown on the fact while kanistha adhikari think that formal initiation is essence of dedication. Formal initiation it is good, when there is an informal following, in the other case formal dedication has no special sense as Srila Prabhupada writes. Too most and with disciples. Uttama-madhyama sees all the disciples or those to whom He should help and serve Lord. As the representative of the God He as a matter of fact does not do distinctions on "my" disciples and "another's" disciples. ( I by the way write it simply on the fact as many gurus ISKCON operate.) Certainly diksa guru carries personal responsibility for disciples, and disciples carry personal responsibility before guru, that we would not run in impersonalism - " all my gurus, means not any. " Or - " I shall choose from each guru that is pleasant to me ", thus diksa guru will not give indefinitely to speculate. Diksa guru helps the disciples to establish spiritual relations, but besides relations of an inner world it siksa parampara, this infinite quantity of those to whom we serve. In any case diksa guru is expansion Nityanada Prabhu or expansion of internal energy. What Their expansion? - it is boundless. SIKSA сампрадайя. What expansion uttama adhikari - pure devotee? - it is boundless. Therefore at the presence of pure devotee ALWAYS there is MANY GURU! kanistha adhikari, madhyama adhikari and uttama adhikari in conformity with that as far as the caused soul wants to be betraid to the God. The Lord does not happen is lonely and is exact as the spiritual master is surrounded with followers, or not having it is a lot of disciples, He as is among set devotees siksa parampara. If disciples operate in conformity with instructions of the spiritual master uttama in general sees them as the spiritual masters or expansion of the own spiritual master. Thus the true spiritual master creates set of the guru, there is no speech that acarya will leave "one" successors, it does not prove to be true sastra simply. ... The purpose of the sermon is one pure devotee. And one pure devotee does pure devotee everything, they fall or do not fall. /images/graemlins/smile.gif If who that does not drink tea it at all does not make his pure devotee. Anyhow we are very successful also pure devotee has come and explained that such sampradaya. And " individual achievements " have no special sense. Achievements of everything, instead of certain mythical " sat guru " are important! The spiritual life is absolute, therefore sat guru all world starts to serve in presence to the God, without a various sort of material shifts and imitations. Srila Prabhupada writes that true guru is The one who comes from an spiritual world. But as all those who follow in the steps such spiritual masters as are good as well as the released souls. Siksa parampara it is spiritual paradise or an spiritual world where there is no this division on "your" and "my". Actually all disciples sampradaya are thus disciples of all gurus. Or all spiritual masters thus are our gurus. Moreover! It is very harmonious and flexible system where various spiritual priorities are taken already into account. And this sampradaya as reflects a principle of an spiritual world where everyone cooperate with all. Last perfection which crowns Srily Prabhupada's all other perfection which I can understand the imperfect feelings. It that He never was the formal moralist. Certainly, for a material world all should be submitted by ideal image. Or as Lord Caitanya - " has told if usual people can find in you lacks it becomes an occasion for criticism, therefore you should be ideal. " Therefore the ideal sermon should proceed from ideal people. But on the other hand Srila Prabhupada writes that everyone should preach. Even the God speaks about it is " both fire is always accompanied by a smoke and any effort in a material world will be imperfect. " Certainly the desire of each of us it to appear in a certain "ideal" role at once (or to wait the moment when it becomes possible for us). But it somewhat is not possible. And besides concept "ideal" it is possible to interpret on miscellaneous. Such desire to operate "ideally" is the certain illness. Therefore Krishna advises Arjuna to operate for him, but not becoming attached to results. As one more of forms of illnesses of pride is illness of " one authority ". That is the essence of this illness will be, that we and are this most important " one authority " which later we project to the taste. Therefore against this illness acarya have established treatment - siksa parampara. Uttama adhikari can be " one authority ". And what criterion uttama? - vasudevam sarvam iti - he knows all. " That who knows Krishna, knows all ". Other criterion uttama which Srila Prabhupada has given it - " those who constantly search for new ways of the sermon ". Srila Prabhupada so is loved with simple people because between Him and other people never was a barrier. Certainly, it occured to that Prabhupada is perfect. One more reason why Him so love, because He has given itself to all. Besides, of it it is capable only uttama. Uttama adhikari it is capable to support parampara thousand years. He as is capable to operate all time necessary for Him. Uttama - as supersoul, He as can expansion is boundless. Such uttama adhikari preach and support a spiritual life in infinite quantity of followers. Srila Prabhupada did not reject anybody. If what нибудь sanyasi fell (for example), He very qualitatively swear also the sent to preach in what a heavy place. For sanyasi, difficulties it is an inexhaustible source of inspiration, therefore Srila Prabhupada presented such sanyasi with very big inspiration. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif Undoubtedly that punishment made of love in the incomprehensible image as supports.. Certainly, all of us so love ourselves that all over again we want to become "perfect", then if not it turns out we leave from spiritual organisation. Or we want to become "perfect", but then suddenly we "fall" and now in this occasion too it is possible to think up much that - repentances, long a turn of ideas, but Srila Prabhupada simply allowed a transcendental kick of all this maya and thus lead up to the logic end next our "perfection". Basically Srila Prabhupada did not emphasize necessity sanyasa, but was more happy when devotees distributed books. On the other hand sanyasa as the part varnasrama as is good. As most likely, sanyasa is very much telling argument of true for the overwhelming majority of people. To tell the truth it is difficult for me to understand how it can be argument. And basically it is quite logical, that the guru can be from any ashram if he follows principles. As proves to be true sastra. As there is such opinion that are necessary grihastha guru. Even because the majority of disciples it grihasthas and listening to a different sort grihamedha which arises from our idleness, that sanyasis and are upset. Certainly, an ideal example it to be very good, but somewhat it is impossible. Eventually those who are inclined to a spiritual life, can see all spiritual sight or reason. And those who are not inclined to a spiritual life as far as who was provisional, all the same will find lacks. There are many spiritual moods and as everyone as the spiritual and material person possesses too many and different qualities. And essence that it is necessary to occupy simply itself in devoted service, ideal qualities arise that we are occupied instead of because we shall simulate them. At each person and in this sense everyone supplement different qualities each other. In this sense all are ideal or in a spiritual life which means different qualities. Or in a material life, in varnasrama which too means different qualities. The person cannot take and change the qualities effort of will. It is impossible. It is impossible to take and throw out a false ego as for example. We can hide an ego under different signboards. But it is much better to occupy itself in devoted service. Especially there would be no necessity that everyone were one quality. One quality is only in impersonal brahman. There, in impersonal mansion, there is an eternal merge of all to all and eternal comprehension of own greatness and absence of any "bad" qualities, anxieties and so forth " Nirvisesa sunyavadi " - Srila Prabhupada That who rescues us from this infernal concept. In themselves spiritual qualities have no special value. Value has fidelity to the God. Qualities this consequence of fidelity to the God. Qualities are secondary, but fidelity is primary. If sastra writes for example - " devotee a highest level has such qualities as humility and so on. ", it in fact does not mean that if to start to behave silently [loudly] thus who that becomes devotee a highest level? Humility means that probably that that for me to do hardly, but I all the same do the duties. For example it is hard for me to repeat a mantra, but I all the same repeat is a humility. Humility means that leaving and preaching me can curse, but I all the same leave and preach. Humility means that to me duties which to me difficultly can appoint to carry out or I do not want them to carry out or I not suit to carry out them (as modestly), but humility - a duty - I all the same make it. Today me praise, tomorrow swear also the reasonable person can understand in due course, that it has no special value. When swear, it is valuable, as swear always more sincerely. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Those who do not want to serve and therefore do not develop any spiritual understanding, such people will be eternally occupied in different sorts gossips and findings-out who who "is "higher" also "below" and so on. As we in that case do not have any objective criteria in a spiritual life. Therefore all such estimations will be invented or is simple to external attributes. Those who do not want to serve or are not occupied enough, will always aspire to use other people under different sauce whether it be - " our true great guru " or still that will think up. And essence such a different sort of manipulations and "sermon" what eventually to push itself. Though now probably many became simply too practical or pragmatic. And KC probably many would like to see as church, like baptist where people simply sometimes come there, and in an ideal at church there is a kindergarten, hospital and so on. ( but not real varnasram. Because in varnasram I cannot toady serve materialists, earning their recognition. Because in varnasram can be not there will be pairs convenience and the TV. Because in varnasram that is necessary to me that to make for Krishna! /images/graemlins/frown.gif instead of for myself as I very much love it, talked thus about fidelity. Sincerely asking the guru maharaja - " as to me to remember Krishna ". As it is be lovely. ) By the way the result idolized guru or aspirations to a personal ideal (to an ideal of the one who TO ME! will preach) can be seen at Russian Orthodoxy - an empty temple where there is no sermon. What swindle when there has come perfect her person crucifixion, well and all others unless can be perfect? The result the manager of all can be seen " one guru " as formal authority on behalf of the daddy Roman. Therefore against all these material heresies or a different sort of imperfections, is siksa parampara, as existed always and as there is a true form sampradaya.

***i think my guru is uttama, It is dobtfull. ***and the same i hope for yours.. otherwise why surrender to them? me guru live in Goloka. He is madhyama-madhyama, but follow true uttama acarya in this sense He is madhyama-uttama. I am know me spiritual nathure, but no stay perfect in spiritual life, then i am kanistha adhikari. You understand? /images/graemlins/smile.gif ***prabhupada is not madyam/uttama... prabhupada is uttama adhikari ACTING (sometimes) as madyama adhikari with the purpose to teach Yes, no problem.

***the problem is that you feel that in this way you are making a service to srila prabhupada..... I am write truth any way. I am write arguments.

Has three guru - kanistha, madhyama and uttama. Has kanistha-kanistha, kanistha-madhyama, madhyama-madhyama, madhyama-uttama. Madhyama-uttama it is VERY rare. If you guru kanistha-madhyama it is good. Prabhupada is uttama-madhyama it is eternal liberated soul. Eternal preach in material world, He is embodiment Pancatattva. He is not ordinary guru and not ordinary acarya. He is maha acarya Lord Caitanya - general Lord Caitanya. Mood mahabhava with power Lord Nityanada. It is begining this movement, after 2000 years world see Prabhupada in His full glory. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Lord Caitanya "come", He is not left this world, Gaura lila will be flow (?) in all world. Demigods come, it is golden age.

Atamatattva Prabhu has citation from Purana about Prabhupada, I am give citation from Biblie about Prabhupada. needs read sastra for understanding - Bhagavad Gita as it is, Srimad Bhagavatam. First needs understand simple things, then go forever.