kailasa

So mutch clauses abhut this. Lord Caitanya it is madhurya or no?

The sermon is internal energy. It is Radha. Lord Caitanya He preached continuously, an embodiment Radha. THIS mood Radha. It is fidelity Radha. If who that at a level bhava he will not sit, he will go to preach. " Hey the people listen to the message Lord Caitanya! - Hare Krisna hare Krisna Krisna Krisna Hare hare! " It is raganuga. /images/graemlins/smile.gif:) Lord Caitanya prema, Haridasa Thakura - prema. Lord Caitanya - Radha, all devotee Lord Caitanya all - expansion Radha. It is a secret Gaura lila. In Krisna lila only gopi, manjari are connected with Radha directly, in Gaura lila all devotee Lord Caitanya are connected with Radha. Lord Caitanya expansions in everyone devotee as Radha. Therefore among them there are no maximum and lowest because all of them madhurya of a maximum degree. Therefore among them there are no distinctions. There is no gradation gopis like in Krisna lila. You know who you is? Now it is necessary will learn to work as soul. Go in the material world to preach. In the material world, it will be rolled in a hell, engage in it. You were present at all these crimes - you they are guilty as well as. You are released? Now you should release all others. Your spiritual body will not get to anywhere, it is eternal. Moreover, helping anothers at THEIR level you will find knowledge at the YOUR level. Preach sankhya, develops your prema. Not? Yes. The spiritual science is absolute, it not relative knowledge. If heart is not clean, that it will prompt yours. Yours WANT to be deceived, therefore you deceive. My heart prompts me where I best I shall be deceived. Movement SP will develop. SP also has occupied GM-babaji. If they will not do that has established SP they simply will disappear. They should be followed for SP, all the same big realization they and have not received, what sense that they do? The sermon is spiritually attractively, boundless dialogue, boundless sermon. You want boundless spiritual dialogue? It is the sermon. Infinite happiness, infinite realization. It is eternal activity of an eternal alive essence, it is not necessary so worries about clearing-spiritual body, sermon is the best way to clearing. Follow for SP there all is - sraddha-prema, top prema bhakti. Great devotees - uttama adhikari will enjoy nectar of the books SP. Prabhupada is pure devotee Lord Caitanya with blessings Lord Advaita Acarya and Nityananda Prabhu. He is mood Lord Caitanya, power Nityananda Prabhu and anger Lord Siva. He is soft as Srivasa, is strong as Nityananda Prabhu and scientist as Advaita Acarya. People Vaikuntha see Srila Prabhupada like Lord Narayana ( according to their rasa ). And essence of His sermon it mahabhava, adi-rasa. He preaches one mood, maximum mood, therefore it is difficult for understanding because it is too high. We shall not see SP by material sight. Worshipping SP we shall receive the boon. But on the present we can understand SP only serving Him under His instructions. The moon Lord Caitanya shines very brightly! Accept guru and follow for guru-Prabhupada. There are no contradictions - Rupa Goswami- Srila Bhaktivinoda - Narottama dasa Thakur - Srila Prabhupada - there are no contradictions. Only without Prabhupada hardly who that will understand all up to the end. Now Lord Сaitanya has opened last lock. Lord Caitanya would not come what to test happiness rasa dance with gopis. Krisna did not begin Radha in rasa dance. Because in rasa dance KRISNA enjoys more or equally with Radha, only in separation Radha surpasses Him. Krisna does not suffer in separation, He is independent, He the God. In Krisna lila sambhoga - madhurya replace each other. In gaura lila vipralambha madhurya - eternal emotion. Krisna lila it is internal energy Lord Caitanya. Therefore only He can distribute knowledge of the God not doing distinctions. Goswamis have described all science of devoted service, but essence of all devoted service has described Itself Lord Caitanya. That we would not mix, more He in general nothing wrote. Therefore reading Prabhupada as He is it is possible all to understand. Do not experience, all most important moments are not changed in the books. The sermon is best sannyas, sermon this best service, the sermon is a way to reason, cleanliness, humility, spiritual body. Best guru are the people in the street. They very quickly will understand who you is, therefore we are afraid to go there. Anybody will not learn us so to preach as the people in the street. Anybody. All our realization is shown there in the true form. In the other case you and will be engaged tama guna - " we best - these bad ". Has not bothered? Open the books Prabhupada and follow them, all will come - rasa, do not worry. Radha in grief. Radha searches Krisna. If the God will really be shown in your sermon, then Prabhupada will be pleased. For me it is possible to not show Krisna, show Krisna to this world. Radha may will be pleased. But then she becomes again sad. This spiritual "misfortune", it never comes to an end. Therefore sermon all becomes stronger and more best it is mood Prabhupada. Therefore this sermon has immense force and she never comes to an end, it uttama adhikari Lord Caitanya. This emotions Lord Caitanya. Uttama adhikari does not see distinctions between the material world and spiritual world. It is love. With Prabhupda yours "never" will achieve perfection, but will rise on top prema - bhakti.

**As my opponent saw that he was defeated, he went to direct personal attack. **2. You repeat 64 rounds? /images/graemlins/smile.gif) It is only queston. more - anadi be glad, he is wait this queston. /images/graemlins/smile.gif ****Of course this is was an unfair attempt to discredit the winner of the debate. I am writhe another clause for raganuga. /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Anadi is innocent soul am debate not with him. **Srila Jiva Gosvami, got also into a philosophical debate to defend bhakti and the reputation of his spiritual masters Rupa and Sanatana. yes. ***He used very sharp logic based on shastric arguments. wery well. ***Does it mean he is not meek and humble? It is humble. It is true humble not self interests preachings. ***Some babaji parties (as I heard) say this behaviour was not meek and humble, it doesn t matter if the truth has won. babaji repeat may be more than 64 rounds? 3. the opponent party goes further to personal attack Work for Krisna it is humble, preach on streets is humble. Go in strret. You meek? You go? You humble? Yes, no needs deceived show tama guna like humble. It is tama guna it is not humble. preach on streets is humble. Or you in raganuga you go in preach, or you humble you go. Otherwise humble? Sit houme, work for maya it humble? Sit houme repeat rounds with TV? Sit home do dandavats demons? Some go for guru - "i am so nice, I am so humble" guru - "wery well, sraddha in me, glory in me, I am god." Do not worry, people go in hell, no you raganuga bhakta. "Prema". I am late write all clause. Now part clause only for raganuga. ***Being meek and humble, the brahmana Vasudeva worried that he would become proud after being cured by the grace of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Lord Caitanya have many devotees. They preach, Haridasa Thakura preach. Haridasa prema bhakta. ***To protect the brahmana, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu advised him to chant the Hare Krsna mantra INCESSANTLY. By doing so, he would never become unnecessarily proud. SP speak the same. But mehanical chanting not so powerful. No needs preach mehanical chanting. No needs preach - "you repeat 16, it is no good." It is wery wery bad. **4. And afterwards he asks Where on your I make the insults? yes. I am write in theme. THEY do insults, it is they buisnes. ***I am only a neophyte. And this is true. You humble? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

***"The stage of fanaticism, we all have to go through." One of the main characteristics of the beginers on the way of bhakti. Lazy. Traditional religion, only exterior form.

***So good to hear you are progressing well with raganuga Krsna-consciousness, Kailasa, and always actively engaged in preaching work. Thank you for sacrificing some of your precious time to encourage us to follow your stalwart example. Your gurudeva and Krsna must be very pleased indeed! Thanks. May guru may be pleased, not so mutch. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Some people battle with ISKCON, do aparadha for ISKCON, distort sastra and so on. Where on your I make the insults?

/***The Supreme Bhagavan, the source of all avataras who wears a peacock in His hair, falls at the feet of Your MAIDSERVANTS and It is level ananda it is not material servise - "ananda" for materialists. It is level spiritual love, not political sermon.

***Before Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura began his preaching mission the sannyasa ashram had been de-emphasized in the Gaudiya tradition. Gaudiya saints had for some time been accepting Babaji vesa instead of sannyasa. The acaryas who advocate the daiva-varnasrama, the social order of catur-varnyam mentioned in Bhagavad-gita, do not accept the proposition of asura-varnasrama, which maintains the social code of varna is indicated by birth. The most intimate devotee of sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, namely Gadadhara Pandita, accepted tridanda-sannyasa and also accepted Madhava-upadhyaya as his tridandi-sannyasi disciple. It is said that from this Madhvacarya, the sampradaya known in Western India as Vallabhacarya sampradaya has begun. srila Gopala Bhatta Bose(?), who is known as smrti-acarya in the Gaudiya Vaisnava sampradaya, later accepted the tridanda-sannyasa from Tridanтipada Prabodhananda Sarasvati. Although acceptance of tridanтa-sannyasa is not distinctly mentioned in the Gaudiya Vaisnava literature, the first verse of srila Rupa Gosvami’s Upadesamrta advocates that one should accept the tridanтa-sannyasa order by controlling the six forces: ***But in this letter dated 1910 Bhaktivinode Thakura orders Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati to introduce and establish varnashram Yes. This following in the steps Bhaktivinode Thakura, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati. "First of all, Srila Ramananda Raya enunciated the system of the varnasrama institution." "Although Lord Caitanya accepted these principles, He still requested Ramananda Raya to further explain advanced devotional service. Thus Lord Caitanya gave Ramananda Raya a chance to discuss gradual advancement from the principles of varnasrama-dharma (the four castes and four orders of spiritual life). " When Lord Caitanya talked with the great devotee Ramananda Raya, the Lord asked him, “What is the basic principle of human life?” Ramananda Raya answered that human civilization begins when varnasrama-dharma is accepted. Before coming to the standard of varnasrama-dharma there is no question of human civilization. Therefore, the Krsna consciousness movement is trying to establish this right system of human civilization, which is known as Krsna consciousness, or daiva-varnasrama—divine culture. When Ramananda Raya and Lord Caitanya (were) speaking, so Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu asked Ramananda Raya, “What is the best process for self-realization?” Because life is meant for self-realization. This human life is meant for self-realization. Atma-tattvam. Otherwise it is animal life. The animals, they are cats and dogs; they are not interested in self-realization. But human life is meant for self-realization. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu questioned Ramananda Raya that “What is the best process of self-realization?” He recommended, first of all, the varasrama-dharma. It is said, зrutvд anyebhya upдsate. These are upдsanд. You know or do not know, when you offer obeisances to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is immediately taken to your credit. “Oh, this living entity has now offered some respect.” Immediately. It is so nice. And then, by hearing, heari... Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He was discussing with Ramananda Raya about this process of advancing in the spiritual life, so Ramananda Raya first proposed varnasrama -dharma. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu took sannyasa to show His causeless mercy to the maya-mеgas, the people of this material world, who suffer because of lusty desires. One should follow the principles of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and always think of Krsna in full Krsna consciousness. ***At the time many of these activities were considered outside the dharma of a Gaudiya renounciate. The acaryas who advocate the daiva-varnasrama, the social order of catur-varnyam mentioned in Bhagavad-gita, do not accept the proposition of asura-varnasrama, ....... ***"People of this world who are proud of their own aristocratic birth cannot attain real aristocracy. Therefore they attack the pure Vaishnavas, saying, 'They have taken birth in low-class families because of their sins.' Thus they commit offenses. The solution to the problem is to establish the order of daiva-varnasrama-dharma - something you have started doing; you should know that to be the real service to the Vaishnavas. Because pure devotional conclusions are not being preached, all kinds of superstitions and bad concepts are being called devotion by such pseudo-sampradayas as sahajiya and atibari. Please always crush these anti-devotional concepts by preaching pure devotional conclusions and by setting an example through your personal conduct. Wery well. And now it is all is urgent. ***Prabhupada wrote: " An acarya who comes for the service of the Lord cannot be expected to conform to a stereotype, for he must find the ways and means by which Krsna consciousness may be spread." Yes, ACARYA can. ***But Prabhupada did not consider every rule established in Gaudiya Math by his spiritual master as unbreakable or sacrosanct and thus he adjusted a number of rules established by Bhaktisiddhanta including many regarding the sannyasa ashram. SP can. ***But in his temples Srila Prabhupada did allow women to serve the deity as pujaris and cooks. Yet in consideration of the socio-religious climate of India he rescinded this mandate in many of his temples in India to avoid criticism from the still powerful Hindu-Brahmin orthodoxy. "Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated July 23, 1974 and have noted the contents. Regarding the worship of our Gaura Nitai by women pujaris, we worship Lord Caitanya in His householder life when He was with His wife, and not as a sannyasi. So, it is alright for women to do this service. But, besides this, service is spiritual and there can be no material designation. In Bhagavad-gita it is stated by Lord Krishna: striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te'pi yanti param gatim. The principle is that everyone who is properly initiated and following the rules and regulations can worship. This activity can not on the material platform. ***Prabhupada also established a brahmacarini ashram in his movement "Prabhupada: Actually, there is no... Brahmacarini is not allowed in the sastra. Where is the question of brahmacarini? Because according to Vedic system, as soon as a girl is fourteen years old or sixteen years old, she is at once married. According to Vedic system, no girl should be allowed remaining unmarried. So there is no question of brahmacarini. Every girl is supposed to be married. That is the Vedic system. A father’s duty is that as soon as the girl is grown up, she must be married. She must be given in charge of a suitable boy. That is Vedic system. Striyaщ sьdras tatha vaisyaщ. A woman is meant for being protested. So long she is not young, she is under the protestion of the father. And as soon as she is young, she is given in sharge, in sharity. Kanya-dana. Dana means sharity. He should find out some suitable boys and give in sharity: “My dear boy, take sharge of this girl. So long she was under my sharge. Now it is under your sharge.” So where is the brahmasarinй? There is no question of brahmasarinй. And when he is old enough, then the husband leaves the home and gives sharge to the elderly son: “My dear boys, take sharge of your mother.” So she is always in sharge of somebody. So assording to Vedis system, there is no independent life of woman. "So at the present moment we sannot stristly follow; neither we are stristly following; neither it is possible to stristly follow. As far as possible, that’s all. Our sonseption of brahmasarini is in the Krsna sosiety, besause... Espesially in India, there is no brahmasarini. But here, in your sountry, the boys and girls mix very freely, but just to restrist sush free mixing, we think that the unmarried girls should remain separately. That is the sontemplation. Astually, in the Vedis system there is no brahmasarini system. "Prabhupada: They distribute pills. I have seen the boys and girls dansing together, embrasing, in the sshool film. That ruins the sareer. Both of them are ruined. That is very regrettable. Then you shall require this sterilization, pills, another big program. They are sreating animal sivilization, and when the animals are disturbing, they are trying to find out some other means. This is their program. First of all sreate animals. Then, when the animals behave like animals, then another program. Why do you sreate animal? Woman brahmasarinй, this is artifisial. Tamala Krsna: In our senters, though, there are so many brahmasarinйs, and even sometimes they’re ensouraged to remain brahmasarinй. Prabhupada: That they sannot. As soon as they will find opportunity, they will besome vyabhisarinй. Tamala Krsna: They’ll besome what? Prabhupada: Vyabhisarinй. For woman, protestion. *********** SP- "But who is asarya? asarya means one who has reseived the Vedis knowledge through the parampara system. Evaа parampara-praptam imaа rajarсayo viduщ. He is asarya. asarya sannot be manufastured, self-made. No. He must some down from the dissiplis sussession. He is asarya. You have to approash sush asarya who is soming in dissiplis sussession. asaryavan puruсo veda. One who is under the shelter of asarya, he knows things. So Krsna resommends also here that if you astually want to besome in knowledge, if you want to have real knowledge, then you must worship asarya. asaryopasanam. This is Vedis system. Tad vijпanarthaа sa gurum evabhigasshet." "So therefore Narottama dasa Thakura, a great devotee and a great Vaisnava acarya, hi has sung a nice song, that hari hari biphaln, janama goмainu: “My dear Lord, I got this shansn of human form of body. Unfortunatnly I have wasted my time without any self-realization."

In fact, Radharani is the internal potency of Sri Krsna, and She eternally intensifies the pleasure of Sri Krsna. Impersonalists cannot understand this without the help of a mahд-bhдgavata devotee. The very name Radha suggests that She is eternally the topmost mistress of the comforts of Sri Krsna. As such, She is the medium transmitting the living entities’ service to Sri Krsna. Srila Prabhupada: Similarly, Krsna being the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as soon as we think of Krsna, this means all the energies of Krsna. That is complete by saying, “Radha-Krsna.” Radha represents all the energy of Krsna. And Krsna is the Supreme Lord. So when we speak of Krsna, the living entities are also included because the living entities are energies, different energies of Krsna—superior energy. So when this energy is not serving the energetic, that is material existence. The enjoyer is Krsna. Enjoyer is Krsna. Just like Krsna in Vrndrvana, as we sung this song, jaya Radha-mдdhava... Jaya Radha-mдdhava kuпja-bihдrй. He is enjoying in Vrndavana. His only feature is... That is the real picture of God: simply enjoying. Bhoktдraа yajпa-tapasда sarva-loka-maheзvaram. That is the real picture of God. The Vrndavana-lila of Krsna is the perfect presentation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He’s simply enjoying. And all the inhabitants of Vrndavana, the gopis, the cowherd boys, Mahдrдja Nanda, Yaзodд, everyone is simply anxious how to make Krsna happy. They have no other business. The inhabitants of Vrndavana has no other business than to satisfy Krsna, and Krsna has no other business. Yaзodд-nandana brajajana-raпjana. He’s acting as the little son of Yaзodд, and His only business is how to please the inhabitants of Vrndavana. Prabhupada: So this is the—sit down—original nature of Krsna, original nature of Krsna. He is Radha-Mдdhava. He is the lover of Srimati Radharani. And kuпja-vihдrй, always enjoying the company of the gopis within the bushes of Vrdavana forest. Radha-mдdhava kuпja-vihдrй. So He’s not only lover of Radharani, but braja-jana-vallabha. The whole residents of Vrndavana, they love Krsna. They do not know anything else. They do not know whether Krsna is God, or not; neither they are very much harassed, that “I shall love Krsna if He is God.” “He may be God or He may be whatever He is. It doesn’t matter, but we love God, Krsna.” That’s all. That is called unnalloyed love. Being always absorbed in the ecstasy of Srimati Radharani, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu felt the same separation from Krsna that Srimati Radharani felt when Krsna left Vrndavana and went to Mathura. This ecstatic feeling is very helpful in attaining love of God in separation. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has taught everyone that one should not be overly anxious to see the Lord, but should rather feel separation from Him in ecstasy. It is actually better to feel separation from Him than to desire to see Him face to face. This conjugal love attains its highest perfection in Srimati Radharani’s love for Krsna. He next described the position of Srimati Radharani and the transcendental mellows of love of God. Srila Ramananda Raya then recited a verse of his own concerning the platform of ecstatic vision, technically called prema-vilдsa-vivarta. The gopis, Radharani, they are expansion of the spiritual energy of Krsna. Don’t think they are ordinary women. They are Krsna. Зaktiщ зaktimator abhedaщ. They are not different from Krsna. But to give Krsna pleasure, Krsna expands Himself by His spiritual energy, дnanda hladini, spiritual energy, sandinй hlдdinй. That is the expansion of His pleasure potency. Directly we don’t approach Krsna. Gopй-bhartur pдda-kamalayor dдsa-dдsanudдsa. Therefore in Vrndavana you will see everyone is praising Radharani because Radharani is very quickly pleased. And as soon as Radharani is pleased, Krsna is automatically pleased. This is the process. But Vaiслava philosophy is so nice that instead of becoming one with the Supreme, they want to become the father of the Supreme. This is Vaisnava philosophy. Nandдtmдja. Rasika-зekhara. This is also a pleasure. Krsna wants to be subordinate to His devotee as son so that He may be punished. He is punishing everyone, but He wants to be punished also. That is His pleasure. And who will punish Him? His father and mother, superior. Or superior lover, Radharani, can punish Him. Therefore Krsna is the Supreme God. Krsnas tu bhagavдn svayam. It is confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that He is the Supreme Personality, original Personality of Godhead. He is nobody’s under control. Even He was not controlled by His supreme lover Radharani. Radharani is considered... The gopis are considered the topmost lover of Krsna. But when Krsna decided to leave Vrndavana, oh, they began to cry. They blocked the way. Krsna didn’t care, went away. Went away. He didn’t care even. So much dear Radharani. They became blind, crying, crying, crying, crying, whole life. But Krsna never returned. Never returned. He sent His message, He sent His letter, that “I am very sorry, but...” That is God. He is not controlled by anything. Anything. That is Krsna. Krsnas tu bhagavдn svayam. Because Krsna and His energy appeared simultaneously, people have generally formed two groups—the saktas and the Vaisnavas—and sometimes there is rivalry between them. This is confirmed in Govinda-lilamrta (10.17): “Although manifest, happy, expanded and unlimited, the emotional exchanges between Radha and Krsna can only be understood by the damsels of Vraja or by their followers.” Just as no one can understand the expansion of the spiritual energy of the Supreme Lord without His causeless mercy, no one can understand the transcendental sex life between Radha and Krsna without following in the footsteps of the damsels of Vraja. The personal associates of Radharani are called sakhis, and Her near assistants are called manjaris. It is very difficult to express their dealings with Krsna because they have no desire to mix with Krsna or to enjoy Him personally. Rather, they are always ready to help Radharani associate with Krsna. Their affection for Krsna and Radharani is so pure that they are simply satisfied when Radha and Krsna are together. Indeed, their transcendental pleasure is in seeing Radha and Krsna united. The actual form of Radharani is just like a Srieper embracing the tree of Krsna, and the damsels of Vraja, the associates of Radharani, are just like the leaves and flowers of that Srieper. When a Srieper embraces a tree, the leaves and flowers as well as the Srieper automatically embrace it.

***Radha-dasi manjaris are one with Radhika in Her love for Krsna Yes, it is all right. /images/graemlins/smile.gif They expansions Radha in mood Radha. Mood Radha is Krisna. Only if we attempt to obtain personal "love", the this mood of gopi, but not manjhari. Srila Prabhupada perfect preach in Krisna lila and gaura lila. It is wery wery mathure exelent preachings. Only ... things SP is Vaikuntha or only Nityananda blessings. SP is Lord Caitanya mood - mahabhava, pure highest prema bhakti. "gaura vani" - it is not only Nityananda blessings, no, he is avatara Lord Caitanya. Sridhara Swami at least I could understand that that o SP. All another be deep kanistha adhikaris. SP teach all world prema bhakti, now people do not understand mood Lord Caitanya. In this way all another books it is way for books SP. Through SP will be extended the glory all acaryas, no other way. Prabhupada bhagavan prema bhakti and last word prema bhakti.

***In fact, Radha-dasi manjaris are experiencing madhurya of the highest and purest order. madhurya with Radha? Now apa presentation.

Read Bhagavad Gita, now all another simply imitation. Work for Krisna it is humble, preach on streets is humble. Go in strret. /images/graemlins/smile.gif You meek? You go? You humble? Or I am follow rupanuga, Radha bhava... It is not Radha bhava. Chant is preachings, chant is distribute prasada, chant is read books Srila Prabhupada ( most esoteriks books ), chant is go streets your town. With out preachings sadana (64 round) not work. Raganuga means preachings, distribute prasada, read books Srila Prabhupada, harinama in the streets. In level raganuga not anartha, not attachments, not fear, sooo match reason, followings instruction guru-Lord Caitanya. If devotee begins it wery well - go slowly. If devotee mature do not preach - it is tama guna. In tama guna we wery wery great. We work for self, we work for "hapinnes" only and so on.

knowing anything whom that to start to the "highest" aspects. Only some misunderstandings.

**in his book the madhurya rasa Whom madhurya rasa? For Radha? I speak about the basic aspect. I here was not examined part. Devotion for Radha it is dasya or sakhya, it is not madhurya. Therefore if you madhur'ya of bkhaktas, then necessary to speak about Krishne. Like Rupa Gosvami. Krisna, Krisna, but when you do understand? Radha-Krisna, not Radha-Radha it is apa.

Lord Caitanya speak - "no strong rules." If your sampradaya follow rule 64 rounds it is may be nice, only do not do aparadha.

Siksastaka speak another.

You repeat 64 rounds?

Srila Prabhupada - If one is sincerely eager to chant the Hare Krsna mantra or diksa-mantra, he is qualified to be initiated according to the pancaratrika process. Any member of society, however, who receives dikсa, initiation into the chanting of the Lord’s holy names, must strictly obey the four regulative principles: no eating of meat, fish or eggs, no illicit sex, no intoxication and no gambling. It is the spiritual master who delivers the disciple from the clutches of maya by initiating him into the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. In this way a sleeping human being can revive his consciousness by chanting Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. In other words, the spiritual master awakens the sleeping living entity to his original consciousness so that he can worship Lord Visnu. This is the purpose of diksa, or initiation. Initiation means receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual consciousness. When one is further advanced by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra sixteen rounds daily, following the regulative principles and attending classes, he receives the sacred thread (brahminical recognition) after the second six months. Therefore, at the time of second initiation, we offer the sacred thread, to recognize him that “He is now brahmana.” Hari-sauri: But then if everybody’s being raised to the brahminical platform... Prabhupada: Not everybody. Why you are misunderstanding? Varnasrama, not everybody brahmana. Hari-sauri: No, but in our society practically everyone is being raised to that platform. So then one might ask what is... Prabhupada: That is... Everybody is being raised, but they’re falling down. Hari-sauri: So then we should make it more difficult to get... Prabhupada: Yes. Hari-sauri: ...brahminical initiation. After four or five years. Prabhupada: Not necessary. You remain as a kсatriya. You’ll be ha... Hari-sauri: No need for even any brahmana initiation, then... Prabhupada: No, no. Hari-sauri: ...unless one is... Prabhupada: No, brahmana must be there. Why do you say, generalize? Hari-sauri: Unless one is particularly... Prabhupada: Yes. Prabhupada: Therefore why a sudra artificially should be a brahmana? Let them, let him remain a sudra, and if he follows strictly the rules and regulation of sudra, he’ll also be as good as a brahmana. The same example: Just like head is as important as my leg. It is not that because it is leg, it is less important than my head. And if you ask the head, “Do the work of a leg,” it is impossible. And if you ask the leg to work as a brain, that is impossible. Let him remain brain, let him remain leg, and do your duty and you become perfect. Satsvarupa: Today you’ve been saying that the Vaisnava is the highest, above the brahmana. But then we’ve also understood that everyone in ISKCON is a Vaisnava. Prabhupada: Yes. Vaisnava everyone, even if he’s not brahmana. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-Krsna-dasa. But you have to gradually bring him to that pure consciousness that “I am servant of Krsna.” Here the bodily conception is going on, “I am American,” “I am Indian,” “I am this,” “I am that.” Satsvarupa: If in our society we say, “Srila Prabhupada wants some to be sudra...” Prabhupada: No, no, no. I don’t want. I want everyone to become Vaisnava. But because he’s a sudra, it is not possible to bring him immediately to the platform of brahmana, or Vaisnava. Therefore falling down. Therefore system must be. But even if he remains a sudra, he’s a Vaisnava. Hari-sauri: So we’d have to completely revise the whole system that we have now. Prabhupada: No. Whatever we have, that is all right. But we see by experience that they’re falling down. There must be systematic. Why falling down? Because he was not fit for the position, therefore he has fallen. Better remain in his position and become perfect. Why artificially bring them? There is no need. Krsna says. Bring that Bhagavad-gita. Sve sve karmany abhirataщ? --------- During my Guru Maharaja's time, even a person was coming from a brahmana family, he was initiated according to the pancaratrika system taking him to be a sudra. So the birthright brahmanism is not applicable at the present moment. The sacred thread inaugurated by my Guru Maharaja according to pancaratrika system and Hari-bhakti-vilasa by Srila Sanatana Goswami must continue. It does not matter whether the priestly class accepts it or not. When my Guru Maharaja Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Prabhupada introduced this system, it was protested even by His inner circle of Godbrothers or friends. Of course He had actually no Godbrothers, but there were many disciples of Bhaktivinode Thakura who were considered as Godbrothers who protested against this action of my Guru Maharaja, but He didn't care for it. Actually one who takes to chanting Hare Krsna Mantra offenselessly immediately becomes situated transcendentally and therefore he has no need of being initiated with sacred thread, but Guru Maharaja introduced this sacred thread because a Vaisnava was being mistaken as belonging to the material caste. To accept a Vaisnava in material caste system is hellish consideration (naraki buddhi). Therefore, to save the general populace from being offender to a Vaisnava, He persistently introduced this sacred thread ceremony and we must follow His footsteps. My Dear Laksmi Narayana, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 6th July, 1971 and have noted the contents. I am so pleased to know that you have been recommended by Sriman Bhagavan das Prabhu for gayatri mantra initiation. Actually that is what I am trying to do in your country is to establish a brahminical society. So when I see that these young American boys are becoming eligible by qualification to take second initiation and become qualified Brahmins, I become very much pleased and my Guru Maharaja becomes pleased also. ********** From VNN - "First initiation is called harinama initiation only, and the second initiation is called diksa." From VNN - According to the Vaisnava regulative principles, one must be initiated as a brahmana. As quoted in the Hari-bhakti-vilasa (2.6) from the Visnu-yamala, Lord Sankara says to his wife Parvati: adiksitasya vamoru krtam sarvam nirarthakam pasu-yonim avapnoti diksa-virahito janah "O Vamaru - O beautiful Parvati. Regarding those who have not taken diksa, all their devotional activities, such as sadhana, bhajana, and puja, have all gone in vain. They are all useless. Such persons who are not properly initiated must again enter the many animals species." -------- CC Madhya 15.108 “One does not have to undergo initiation or execute the activities required before initiation. One simply has to vibrate the holy name with his lips. Thus even a man in the lowest class [candala] can be delivered. From PURPORT Srila Prabhupada - According to the Vaiсnava regulative principles, one must be initiated as a brahmana. The Hari-bhakti-vilasa (2.6) quotes the following injunction from the Visnu-yamala: adikсitasya vamoru kеtaа sarvaа nirarthakam pasu-yonim avapnoti dikсa-virahito janaщ “Unless one is initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, all his devotional activities are useless. A person who is not properly initiated can descend again into the animal species.” ... In other words, the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra is so powerful that it does not depend on official initiation, but if one is initiated and engages in pancaratra-vidhi (Denty worshnp), hns Krsna conscnousness wnll awaken very soon, and his ndentification wnth the material world wnll be vanquished. Although chanting the holy name is good for both the conditioned and liberated soul, it is especially beneficial to the conditioned soul because by chanting it one is liberated. When a person who chants the holy name is liberated, he attains the ultimate perfection by returning home, back to Godhead. In the words of CC (Дdi 7.73): Krsna-mantra hante habe saаsara-mocana Krsna-nama hante pabe kесnera carana “Simply by chantnng the holy name of Krsna one can obtann freedom from maternal existence. indeed, simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra one will be able to see the lotus feet of the Lord.” The offenseless chanting of the holy name does not depend on the initiation process. Although initiation may depend on puraзcaryд or puraзcaraлa, the actual chanting of the holy name does not depend on purascarya-vidhi, or the regulative principles. If one chants the holy name once without committing an offense, he attains all success. During the chanting of the holy name, the tongue must work. Simply by chanting the holy name, one is immediately delivered. The tongue is sevonmukha-jihva–it is controlled by service. CC 15.109 “By chantnng the holy name of the Lord, one dissolves his entanglement in maternal activities. After this, one becomes very attracted to Krsna, and thus dormant love for Krsna ns awakened. CC 15/110 “ ‘The holy name of Lord Krsna is an attractive feature for many saintly, liberal people. It is the annihilator of all sinful reactions and is so powerful that save for the dumb who cannot chant it, it is readily available to everyone, including the lowest type of man, the caлтдla. The holy name of Krsna is the controller of the opulence of liberation, and it is identical with Krsna. Simply by touching the holy name with one’s tongue, immediate effects are produced. Chanting the holy name does not depend on initiation, pious activities or the purascarya regulative principles generally observed before initiation. The holy name does not wait for all these activities. It is self-sufficient.’ ” PURPORT Thns verse is found in the Padyavali (29) by srila Rupa Gosvami. CC 15/111 Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu then finally advised, “One who is chanting the Hare Krsna mantra is understood to be a Vaisnava; therefore you should offer all respects to him.” PURPORT In his Upadesamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami states: kеслeti yasya giri taа manasдdriyeta dйkсдsti cet. An advanced devotee should respect a person who has been initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and who is situated on the transcendental platform, chanting the holy name with faith and obeisances and following the instructions of the spiritual master. SBT comments that serving Vaisnavas is most important for householders. Whether a Vaisnava is properly initiated or not is not a subject for consideration. One may be initiated and yet contaminated by the Mayavada philosophy, but a person who chants the holy name of the Lord offenselessly will not be so contaminated. A properly initiated Vaisnava may be imperfect, but one who chants the holy name of the Lord offenselessly is all-perfect. Although he may apparently be a neophyte, he still has to be considered a pure unalloyed Vaisnava. It is the duty of the householder to offer respects to such an unalloyed Vaisnava. This is Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu instruction. --------------------- Thus - diksa mantra is Hare Krisna mantra.

"...As stated in prayer to the six Gosvamis: saмkhyд-pьrvaka-nдma-gдna-natibhiщ kдlдvasдnй-kеtau. The word sa... means "maintaining a numerical strength." "...Certainly the chanting of 300,000 holy names of the Lord is wonderful. No ordinary person can chant so many names, nor should one artificially imitate Haridasa Thakura’s behavior. It is essential, however, that everyone fulfill a specific vow to chant the Hare Krsna mantra. Therefore we have prescribed in our Society that all our students must chant at least sixteen rounds daily. Such chanting must be offenseless in order to be of high quality.

You think prema=madhurya rasa. No, it is no right vision.

***So we can see here that there is no difference between Sri Gaurasundara and Sri Krsnasundara, but how? In tattva. And what is one of the difference? Sri Gaurasundara has the moods of Srimati Radhika, and Krsna has them not. But Krsna attains them as Sri Gaurasundara! And what is the mood of Sri Gaurasundara? Most merciful (He is the combination of Sri Sri Radha and Krsna) In Navadvip dhama the aparadhas are not taken into consideration In Vraja dhama any aparadhas give back powerful reactions; here Krsna has not the moods of Srimati Radhika. Where comes the mercy from? From Srimati Radhika. Who a source Radha? What in means sarva karana karanam? ***Where comes the mercy from? It is material logic. LORD CAITANYA source Radha - Krisna. It is most secret knowledge. We do not make sankhya about rasa. If - that. If I has found top, means speaking about it constantly, I turn out greatest. Therefore acarya speaks that is necessary to pass all this CONSISTENTLY. Not so - Prahlada it is unsignificant, demigods it is unsignificant, Vaikuntha it is unsignificant, vatsalya it is unsignificant. If we preach one mood, especially most maximum, then we shall know also everything, that is lower than this mood. ALL moods are attractive. ALL moods ARE UNIFORM also ALL moods serve Krisna. For example Sukadeva Gosvami it is a parrot Radharani (dasya, santa?). But He is present at all events as. The trees are present, the wind is present. In the spiritual world all is absolute also nothing is limited, therefore ANYONE can be present at all events. As the spiritual world is absolute, therefore everyone test equal happiness. Therefore in the CERTAIN sense there is no difference between races. IT should be understood first of all. Because in the other case we distinguish from a material platform of envy. Spiritual body this ETERNAL body. Now it is simply latent and later will be cleared. If you from sakhya in Krisna lila, you do not become madhurya. But if devotee there is devotee Lord Caitanya he can rise on a level madhurya rasa. But it not the largest secret Lord Caitanya. /images/graemlins/smile.gif There is an even greater secret Lord Caitanya. I already wrote about it, but if sense to write about it? You see you so aspire in Krisna lila? /images/graemlins/smile.gif In the sweet relations? You already probably have found the recipe how there to get? /images/graemlins/smile.gif But the recipe is what to develop real humility and real spiritual knowledge. The god is cleverer than cleverest. The spiritual teacher the representative of the god. Therefore spiritual teacher has told - only in a community devotees it is possible to develop spiritually. If the person develops spiritually she never will think that she became great. If we think that we are great, we simply fall. As I great, mine guru very great, my understanding very great, mine sraddha very great. Therefore there are very many great persons, which battle for the rank. Therefore spiritual teacher also has told - instead of that what to find out who from you great (that is all of you kanistha adhikari), unit and serve to the god. The present humility, present greatness. It is impossible to use sastra in material motives, this insult. It is impossible to compare absolute things from a material position. SBT, SBST, speak what madhrya this highest? Whether so there are WE at this level? Or we simply make the next material circuit? Gopi think that a flute above them, THIS vision gopi. Vipralambha bhava it is top of all spiritual emotions. It as a source of all spiritual world. Among devotees Lord Caitanya there are no maximum and lowest - from CC - "The description of Lord Caitanya as the gardener and the tree is inconceivable. Now hear with attention about the branches of this tree. The associates of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu were many, but none of them should be considered lower or higher. This cannot be ascertained. All the great personalities in the line of Lord Caitanya enumerated these devotees, but they could not distinguish between the greater and the lesser. Since the tree of devotional service is transcendental, every one of its parts can perform the action of all the others. Although a tree is supposed to be immovable, this tree nevertheless moves." Why there are no maximum and lowest - because all of them play one role at one level. The emotions Lord Caitanya are so strong, and kripa is boundless that all His devotees rise on one level "one" spiritual role. It is a final point of ALL devoted service. It is not distributed by anybody, only Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. "Prema" for Prabhupada there is IT. Prabhupada itself there is an embodiment Lord Caitanya. "I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Krsna, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional incarnation, devotional manifestation, pure devotee, and devotional energy. Lord Krsna enjoys by manifesting Himself as the spiritual masters, the devotees, the diverse energies, the incarnations and the plenary portions. They are all six in one. I therefore worship the lotus feet of these six diversities of the one truth by invoking their benedictions. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the spiritual masters, the devotees of the Lord, the Lord’s incarnations, His plenary portions, His energies, and the primeval Lord Himself, Sri Krsna Caitanya. Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the Personality of Godhead Himself, and therefore I offer innumerable prostrations at His lotus feet." "The loving affairs of Sri Radha and Krsna are transcendental manifestations of the Lord’s internal pleasure-giving potency. Although Radha and Krsna are one in Their identity, They separated Themselves eternally. Now these two transcendental identities have again united, in the form of Sri Krsna Caitanya. I bow down to Him, who has manifested Himself with the sentiment and complexion of Srimati Radharani although He is Krsna Himself." "...The loving affairs of Sri Radha and Krsna are transcendental manifestations of the Lord’s internal pleasure-giving potency...." - Whose potency? "...Although Radha and Krsna are one in Their identity. They separated Themselves eternally..." "Now these two transcendental identities have again united" Again. The god would divide itself what to test happiness of the spiritual world. Then He again would unit what to increase this happiness is boundless. It Lord Caitanya - Supreme Personality or Krisna - Sri Krisna Caitanya. Nobody is equal to Him and there is nobody above Him. Therefore if and to allocate whom, it is necessary to allocate HIM!! KRISNA!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif, because HE a source all and reason of all reasons. And Radha it is His mood, this mood ALL His devotees, She was embodied in ALL devotees Lord Caitanya. But She worships KRISNA, not Radha. Therefore SP writes anything that concerns to this mood. Others acaryas have described everything, but SP gives most maximum, essence only. Therefore He speak that over It NOBODY will jump. Because for SP stands Advaita Acarya, Because for SP stands Nityananda Prabhu, because SP the embodiment itself Lord Caitanya. And consequently that SP itself is pure devotee, best devotee, Supreme devotee. Because SP preaches the TOP of devoted service. How you will jump if above already brahman or Vaikuntha? You will jump in brahman? SP wrote for all as bhagavata acarya and especially for mature devotees. To speak that SP wrote for neophits it Prabhupada aparadha. Prabhupada gives essence all vedic of knowledge and essence to all prema bhakti. 10 000 years great devotees will enjoy nectar of the books SP. In mood SP they as will study also other books. Because in this mood are all acarya.

So Prahlada Maharaja, he is on the stage of prema, prema-gadgadaya vaca tan-nyasta-hеdayeksanah. when you attain the stage of prema, then your core of heart is cleansed for welcoming, He is there, for seeing. Bali Maharaja, by the grace of Prahlada Maharaja, got the seed of devotional service, and when that seed developed, he achieved the ultimate fruit of that service, namely love of Godhead (prema pum-artho mahan), immediately upon the appearance of Lord Vamanadeva. _________________________ ananya-mamata—having a sense of relationships with no others; visnau—in Lord Visnu, or Krsna; mamata—the sense of ownership; prema-sa?gata—endowed only with love; bhaktih—devotional service; iti—thus; ucyate—is said; bhisma—by Bhisma; prahlada—by Prahlada Maharaja; uddhava—by Uddhava; naradaih—and by Narada. TRANSLATION “ ‘When one develops an unflinching sense of ownership or possessiveness in relation to Lord Visnu, or, in other words, when one thinks Visnu and no one else to be the only object of love, such an awakening is called bhakti [devotion] by exalted persons like Bhisma, Prahlada, Uddhava and Narada.’ __________________________ krsna-nama—the holy name of Lord Krsna; la?a—chanting; nace—dance; prema-vanyaya—in the inundation of the flood of love of Godhead; bhase—float; narada—the sage Narada; prahlada-adi—and devotees like Prahlada; ase—come; manuсya-prakaзe—as if human beings. TRANSLATION All of them, including the great sage Narada and devotees like Prahlada, came here as if human beings, chanting the holy names of Lord Kесna together and dancing and floating in the inundation of love of Godhead. _____________________________ So we see practically how Prahlada Maharaja immediately attained the state of prema. Here it is said, prema-gadgadaya vaca. Prema, that prema is not this prema. The lusty desire, that is not prema. Prema, one has to learn, one has to go through the disciplic or discipline to attain the state of prema. As Prahlada Maharaja, so he first of all followed the instruction of Brahma, then immediately he got the favor of Lord Nеsiаhadeva, and after getting that he got the prema state. You cannot go immediately to the prema state. That is also rьpa-raghunatha-pade. Rupa-raghunatha, Rupa Goswami has said (indistinct), So Prahlada Maharaja, he is on the stage of prema, prema-gadgadaya vaca tan-nyasta-hеdayekсanah. when you attain the stage of prema, then your core of heart is cleansed for welcoming, He is there, for seeing. He’ll not expose Himself, but if you attain the stage of prema, as Prahlada Maharaja attained, then you will see Him. How you will see? Sadaiva, always. Not that for two minutes I see and Kесna is no more there. No, not like that. Premaпjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva. Sadaiva means constant, incessantly. Yoh can see. Prahlada Maharaja, althohgh born of a demonic father, he was completely pure. He was completely on the transcendental stage. Therefore he could offer prayers to the Lord; others cannot. So a Vaiсnava is very humble. He... Althohgh everyone has admitted that he is on the stage of prema, bht he is a Vaisnava. He’s thinking that “I am the son of Hiranyakasipu. How I can offer?” This is Vaisnava humblnnnss. That is the tnaching of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Dandavat pranama Anadi Prabhu Spiritual science have many subthle moments. It is no right take one side. If take one side, right side it is Krisna. For you citations - Baladeva, Laksmana, Advaita Acarya, Lord Nityananda, Lord Sesa and Lord Sankarsana taste the nectarean mellows of the transcendental bliss of Lord Krsna by recognizing Themselves as being His devotees and servants. They are all mad with that happiness, and they know nothing else. What to speak of others, even Lord Krsna Himself becomes thirsty to taste His own sweetness. He tries to taste His own sweetness, but He cannot do so without accepting the emotions of a devotee. PURPORT Lord Sri Krsna wanted to relish the transcendental mellow of a devotee, and therefore He accepted the role of a devotee by appearing as Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Therefore Lord Krsna accepted the position of a devotee and descended in the form of Lord Caitanya, who is complete in every respect. He tastes His own sweetness through the various emotions of a devotee. I have formerly explained this conclusion. PURPORT Lord Caitanya, who is known as Sri Gaurahari, is complete in relishing all the different mellows, namely, neutrality, servitorship, fraternity, parental affection and conjugal love. By accepting the ecstasy of different grades of devotees, He is complete in relishing all the mellows of these relationships. All the incarnations are entitled to the emotions of devotees. There is no higher bliss than this. ......... Let me first offer my respectful obeisances unto Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is the ultimate goal of life for one bereft of all possessions in this material world and is the only meaning for one advancing in spiritual life. Thus let me write about His magnanimous contribution of devotional service in love of God. The selfsame Lord Krsna advented Himself as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu with all His eternal associates, who are also equally glorious. The three predominators [Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu] are worshipable by all living entities, and the fourth principle [sri Gadadhara Prabhu] is to be understood as Their worshiper. PURPORT In his Anubhasya, Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, describing the truth about the Panca-tattva, explains that we can understand that Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the supreme predominator and that Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu are His subordinates but are also predominators. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the Supreme Lord, and Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu are manifestations of the Supreme Lord. All of Them are vinuu-tattva, the Supreme, and are therefore worshipable by the living entities. Although the other two tattvas within the category of Panca-tattva—namely, sakti-tattva and jiva-tattva, represented by Gadadhara and Srivasa—are worshipers of the Supreme Lord, they are in the same category because they eternally engage in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. ********* "Srivasa, Haridasa, Ramadasa, Gadadhara, Murari, Mukunda, Candrasekhara and Vakresvara are all glorious and are all learned scholars, but the sentiment of servitude to Lord Caitanya makes them mad in ecstasy." ----- In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verse 90, Srivasa Pandita (Srivasa Thakura) is described as an incarnation of Narada Muni, Sri Ramadasa was the second son of Sivananda Sena. It is stated in the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika (145) that the two famous parrots named Dakсa and Vicakсaлa in Krsna-lila became the elder brothers of Kavi-karnapura, namely, Caitanya dasa and Ramadasa. In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verses 147 through 153, it is stated: "The pleasure potency of Sri Krsna formerly known as Vrndavanesvari is now personified in the form of Sri Gadadhara Pandita in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu." In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verse 175, it is stated that the gopй whose name was Vrndadevi became Mukunda dasa In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verse 71, it is stated that Vakresvara Pandita was an incarnation of Aniruddha, one of the quadruple expansions of Viслu (Vasudeva, Sankarsana, Aniruddha and Pradyumna). ------ Thus they dance, sing and laugh like madmen, and they instruct everyone, "Just be loving servants of Lord Caitanya." For evidence, please listen to the examples described in the revealed scriptures, which are also corroborated by the realization of great souls. ( listen ) Although no one is a more respected elder for Krsna than Nanda Maharaja in Vraja, who in transcendental paternal love has no knowledge that his son is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, still ecstatic love makes him, what to speak of others, feel himself to be a servant of Lord Krsna. He too prays for attachment and devotion to the lotus feet of Lord Krsna, as the words from his own mouth give evidence. My dear Uddhava, please hear me. In truth Krsna is my son, but even if you think that He is God, I would still bear toward Him my own feelings for my son. May my mind be attached to your Lord Krsna. May our minds be attached to the lotus feet of your Lord Krsna, may our tongues chant His holy names, and may our bodies lie prostrate before Him. Wherever we wander in the material universe under the influence of karma by the will of the Lord, may our auspicious activities cause our attraction to Lord Krsna to increase. Although they fight with Him and climb upon His shoulders, they worship His lotus feet in a spirit of servitude. Some of the friends of Sri Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, massaged His feet, and others whose sinful reactions had been destroyed fanned Him with hand-held fans. Even the beloved girlfriends of Lord Krsna in Vrndavana, the gopis, the dust of whose feet was desired by Sri Uddhava and beyond whom no one is more dear to Krsna, regard themselves as Krsna’s maidservants. O Lord, remover of the afflictions of the inhabitants of Vrndavana! O hero of all women! O Lord who destroy the pride of Your devotees by Your sweet, gentle smile! O friend! We are Your maidservants. Please fulfill our desires and show us Your attractive lotus face. O Uddhava! It is indeed regrettable that Krsna resides in Mathura. Does He remember His father’s household affairs and His friends, the cowherd boys? O great soul! Does He ever talk about us, His maidservants? When will He lay on our heads His aguru-scented hand? What to speak of the other gopis, even Sri Radhika, who in every respect is the most elevated of them all and who has bound Sri Krsna forever by Her loving attributes, serves His feet as His maidservant. O My Lord, O My husband, O most dearly beloved! O mighty-armed Lord! Where are You? Where are You? O My friend, reveal Yourself to Your maidservant, who is very much aggrieved by Your absence. PURPORT This verse is quoted from Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.30.39). When the rasa dance was going on in full swing, Krsna left all the gopis and took only Srimati Radharani with Him. At that time all the gopis lamented, and Srimati Radharani, being proud of Her position, requested Krsna to carry Her wherever He liked. Then Krsna immediately disappeared from the scene, and Srimati Radharani began to lament. In Dvaraka-dhama, all the queens, headed by Rukmini, also consider themselves maidservants of Lord Krsna. When Jarasandha and other kings, bows and arrows upraised, stood ready to deliver me in charity to Sisupala, He forcibly took me from their midst, as a lion takes its share of goats and sheep. The dust of His lotus feet is therefore the crown of unconquerable soldiers. May those lotus feet, which are the shelter of the goddess of fortune, be the object of my worship. What to speak of others, even Lord Baladeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is full of emotions like pure friendship and paternal love. He also considers Himself a servant of Lord Krsna. Indeed, who is there who does not have this conception of being a servant of Lord Krsna? He who is Sesa, Sankarsana, with His thousands of mouths, serves Sri Krsna by assuming ten forms. Rudra, who is an expansion of Sadasiva and who appears in unlimited universes, is also a gunavatara [qualitative incarnation] and is the ornament of all the demigods in the endless universes. He also desires only to be a servant of Lord Krsna. Sri Sadasiva always says, "I am a servant of Lord Krsna." Intoxicated by ecstatic love for Lord Krsna, he becomes overwhelmed and incessantly dances without clothing and sings about Lord Krsna’s qualities and pastimes. All the emotions, whether those of father, mother, teacher or friend, are full of sentiments of servitude. That is the nature of love of Krsna. Lord Krsna, the one master and the Lord of the universe, is worthy of being served by everyone. Indeed, everyone is but a servant of His servants. That same Lord Krsna has descended as Lord Caitanya, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Everyone, therefore, is His servant. I am a servant of Lord Caitanya, a servant of Lord Caitanya. I am a servant of Lord Caitanya, and a servant of His servants. The sweetness of Lord Krsna is not to be tasted by those who consider themselves equal to Krsna. It is to be tasted only through the sentiment of servitude.

**The mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is but the mercy of Srimati Radhika. Srimati Radhika it is sakti Lord Krisna. Krisnas tu bhagavan swayam. It is wrong understanding misconceptions Krisna lila. With out sat guru do not understand spiritual science. Madhavendra Puri preach vipralambha. He stey in vipralambha bhava in last stage life. He is not preach sambhoga.

"...As stated in prayer to the six Gosvamis: saмkhyд-pьrvaka-nдma-gдna-natibhiщ kдlдvasдnй-kеtau. The word sa... means "maintaining a numerical strength." "...Certainly the chanting of 300,000 holy names of the Lord is wonderful. No ordinary person can chant so many names, nor should one artificially imitate Haridasa Thakura’s behavior. It is essential, however, that everyone fulfill a specific vow to chant the Hare Krsna mantra. Therefore we have prescribed in our Society that all our students must chant at least sixteen rounds daily. Such chanting must be offenseless in order to be of high quality. Mechanical chanting is not as powerful as chanting of the holy name without offenses. " "Lord Caitanya appeared with the sentiment of Radha. He preached the dharma of this age—the chanting of the holy name and pure love of God. In the mood of Srimati Radharani, He also fulfilled HIS OWN DESIRES. THIS IS the principal reason for His appearance. Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya is Krsna [Vrajendra-kumara], the embodiment of rasas. He is amorous love personified. He made His appearance to taste that conjugal mellow and incidentally to broadcast all the rasas. Adi 4.224 Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya is the abode of rasa. He Himself tasted the sweetness of rasa in endless ways. Thus He initiated the dharma for the Age of Kali. The devotees of Lord Caitanya know all these truths. PURPORT Lord Caitanya is Sri Krsna Himself, the absolute enjoyer of the love of the gopis. He Himself assumes the role of the gopis to taste the predominated happiness of transcendental mellows. He appeared in that mode, but simultaneously He propagated the religious process for this age in a most fascinating way. ONLY the confidential devotees of SRI CAITANYA Mahaprabhu can understand this transcendental secret. Bowing down with devotion, I hold on my head the lotus feet of Advaita Дcдrya, Nityдnanda, Srivasa Paлтita, Gadadhara, Svarupa Damodara, Murari Gupta, Haridasa and all the other devotees of Sri Krsna Caitanya.. PURPORT The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta teaches us that we must offer our respectful obeisances to all such pure confidential devotees of Lord Caitanya if we indeed want to know Him in truth. ---You see many from pure devotees not gopis?--- As a result of chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, one makes such great advancement in spiritual life that simultaneously his material existence terminates and he receives love of Godhead. The holy name of Krsna is so powerful that by chanting even one name, one very easily achieves these transcendental riches. One day the Lord ordered Srivasa Thakura to read the Bеhat-sahasra-nдma [the thousand names of Lord Visnu], for He wanted to hear them at that time. As he read the thousand names of the Lord, in due course the holy name of Lord Nrisinha appeared. When Caitanya Mahaprabhu heard the holy name of Lord Nrisinha, He became fully absorbed in thought. PURPORT The Caitanya-mangala, describes this incident as follows: Srivasa Paлтita was performing the srдddha ceremony of his father, and as is customary, he was hearing the thousand names of Lord Viслu. At that time Gaurahari (Lord Caitanya) appeared on the scene, and He also began to hear the thousand names of Viслu with full satisfaction. When He thus heard the holy name of Lord Nrisinha, Lord Caitanya became absorbed in thought, and He became angry like Nrisinha Prabhu in His angry mood. His eyes became red, His hairs stood on end, all the parts of His body trembled, and He made a thundering sound. All of a sudden He took up a club, and people became greatly afraid, thinking, “We do not know what kind of offense we have now committed!” But then Зrй Caitanya Mahдprabhu adjusted His thoughts and sat down on His seat. In the mood of Lord Nrisinhadeva, Lord Caitanya ran through the city streets, club in hand, ready to kill all the atheists. Seeing Him appearing very fierce in the ecstasy of Lord Nrisinha, people ran from the street and fled here and there, afraid of His anger. "Seeing the people so afraid, the Lord came to His external senses and thus returned to the house of Srivasa Цhдkura and threw away the club. The Lord became morose and said to Srivasa Цhдkura, "When I adopted the mood of Lord Nеsiаhadeva, people were greatly afraid. Therefore I stopped, since causing fear among people is an offense." Srivasa Цhдkura replied, "Anyone who takes Your holy name vanquishes ten million of his offenses immediately." ******** GURU-SADHU-SASTRA NOT - guru, guru, guru. "SNdT says, sдdhu-здstra-guru-vдkya, cittete kariyд aikya. One should accept a thing as genuine by studying the words of saintly people, the spiritual master and sastra. The actual center is sastra, the revealed scripture. If a spiritual master does not speak according to revealed scripture, he is not to be accepted. Similarly, if a saintly person does not speak according to the sastra, he is not a saintly person. sastra is the center for all. " ******** In ISKCON there is a set bona fide guru. SP is siksa guru, like Goswamis. But each schoolboy in ISKCON has diksa guru. Ritviks consider SP diksa guru, but ISKCON so do not consider. It is very good guru. They very well know science of devoted service. Some from them are at a level of the relations with the God in svarupa siddhi. SP preaches top - madhurya vipralambha. It is eternal mood, it is mood Lord Caitanya.