kailasa

"Do snakes have skin?" "Yes, snakes do indeed have skin." Jagat Prabhu.

SP it is avesa avatara. Him no needs nothing, but He is follow all. Him no needs gopala mantra. It is needs for nitya baddha, not for nitya siddha. Needs search (?) first class guru. Other hand person stay kanistha adhikari.

"Direct contact is not possible. Neither that is the way of worshiping by the method of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. That is sahajiya-vada." AC. Bhaktivedanta Swami. 1 "Glory to the Sri Krisna sankirtana, which cleanses the heart of all the dust accumulated for years and extinguishes the fire of conditional life, of repeated birth and death. This sankirtana movement is the prime benediction for humanity at large because it spreads the rays of the benediction moon. It is the life of all transcendental knowledge. It increases the ocean of transcendental bliss, and it enables us to fully taste the nectar for which we are always anxious." This movement sankirtana the Lord Caitanya brings spiritual taste and clears life. This taste is expressed in a sacred name, dialogue with devotee, knowledge of the material world and spiritual world (life filled transcendental by knowledge) and thus this spiritual taste is distributed everywhere similarly to light of the Moon, increasing ocean transcendental of happiness. "Sri Panca-tattva themselves danced again and again and thus made it easier to drink nectarean love of Godhead. They danced, cried, laughed and chanted like madmen, and in this way they distributed love of Godhead." 2 "O my Lord, Your holy name alone can render all benediction to living beings, and thus You have hundreds and millions of names like Krisna and Govinda. In these transcendental names You have invested all Your transcendental energies. There are not even hard and fast rules for chanting these names. O my Lord, out of kindness You enable us to easily approach You by chanting Your holy names, but I am so unfortunate that I have no attraction for them." In due course devotee realizes that the God is not distinct from His sacred name, all kinds energy of the God, all kinds of the relations and all kinds avatars are present at a sacred name. Devotee finds taste to recurrence of a sacred name, but nevertheless understands, that as also obstacles in it kirtanam are present. 3 "One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige, and ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly." Therefore devotee begins to follow this advice the Lord Caitanya and tries to chant, take an example from a tree and herb, that helps to continue to him spiritual life. Deepening the spiritual life devotee becomes more and more free with feeling of false prestige and material nature as helps him in this hard business. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif He is ready to render respect to everyone and asks everyone to chant holy a name preaching by and large. Thus he chant a sacred name constantly and all his life directly or indirectly begins to contact to the God. He does not expect, that others will render to him respect, as as anything significant itself does not consider. But for the sake of Krisna or spiritual teacher devotee is ready to accept all kinds respect, certainly, well knowing, to whom it is intended. 4 "O almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor do I desire beautiful women, nor do I want any number of followers. I only want Your causeless devotional service birth after birth." Eventually following nivritti marga or pravritti marg, devotee surpasses material attachments. And everything, women, riches and set of the followers, he sees only in connection with the God. If for example riches are, he uses it in devoted service, but if riches is not present, it has no for him of value. Such devotee does not see value neither in riches nor in its absence. Those who has achieved nistha are asked thus - "I want to serve to you life behind life. To me all the same where I shall set off in paradise or hell. I am disturbed only with one - I want, that it would be connected to devoted service. If the hell is connected to devoted service, I go in a hell. If the paradise is not connected to devoted service, I there have nothing to make. I am ready life behind life to build temples, to preach, to be grihastha or brahmacari, clever or silly, to be in a community of the friends or in a community of enemies, it has no for me of value, on all will of the God." 5 "O son of Maharaja Nanda [Krisna], I am Your eternal servitor, yet somehow or other I have fallen into the ocean of birth and death. please pick me up from this ocean of death and place me as one of the atoms of Your lotus feet." After achievement of a level nistha, devotee really realizes itself by the servant of the God. Having released from all material, he sees that is at ocean of a material nature. The material world he see as alternation of birth and death, whereas others, too absorbed occurring, do not see that all their material activity doomed. Undoubtedly that devotee understands the insignificance and simultaneously with it, realizing greatness Krisna, devotee would ask the God what to become even one of atoms at Him lotous stop. And this pray began it already spiritual emotions, it of development of his relations with the God. 6 "O my Lord, when will my eyes be decorated with tears of love flowing constantly when I chant Your holy name? When will my voice choke up, and when will the hairs of my body stand on end at the recitation of Your name?" Devotee understands, that he has no sufficient qualification, though actually has mature spiritual life, thus he simply goes further in свем spiritual development. It by him is not simulated, not go all stage by stage, tears can and will be and in conformity with Srila Narottama dasa they can be right at the beginning, that is well. But tears, which are described here or this request, it beginning bhava and as a rule to this moment, the material attachments actually for a long time already are not present. Therefore, this comprehension of the God very strongly also ripened, that is not possible for reaching, being caused substantially. Moreover given pray is top by all sadhana devotee and specifies by the beginning of the spontaneous relations. By and large anubhava - external displays of spiritual emotions, concerns to a category of spontaneous fidelity. PS What that the attributes bhava can be both at neophits and in conformity with SP, it is necessary understand, that devotee, showing attributes of spiritual emotions, but not free from material attachments, the maturities yet have not achieved. That is not so sad, as a level bhava very much high level and silly to think that it would be possible to reach it immediately. 7 "O Govinda! Feeling Your separation, I am considering a moment to be like twelve years or more. Tears are flowing from my eyes like torrents of rain, and I am feeling all vacant in the world in Your absence." All other emotions occur on a background of such feelings. It is basic bhava, eternal emotion and all other events simply strengthen her. Devotee sees the God, he communicates with Him, sometimes he is happy sometimes is not, but nevertheless it more temporary the moments on a background of constant emotion. He sees the God, but does not understand that it occurs, therefore all the same feels separation. Or he does not see, that as a matter of fact one and too in this case. Beauty Krisna, the greatness and all rest, simply is aggravated by his feelings. He is in games Krisna and "is not" simultaneously. All this does not belong to actually usual logic and is completely shown in Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya shows this mood in a boundless degree - as maha bhava and usually maha bhava is not accessible to alive essences, as writes SP. Go practically everything, only after that, devotee reaches a level bhava. Thus everything, that with him occurs, occurs in the mutual relations between devotee and Person of the God. “In the millions and millions of universes there are innumerable planets, and each and every one of them is different from the others by its cosmic constitution. All of these planets are situated in a corner of the brahmajyoti. This brahmajyoti is but the personal rays of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda, whom I worship.” This mantra from the Brahma-samhita is spoken from the platform of factual realization of the Absolute Truth..." 8 "I know no one but Kеслa as my Lord, and He shall remain so even if He handles me roughly in His embrace or makes me brokenhearted by not being present before me. He is completely free to do anything and everything, for He is always my worshipful Lord unconditionally." On this level all races rise, not only mathurya race, if they follow in the steps the Lord Caitanya. *********** Вcе it should inspire. Why, because if who that really greedy (laulyam), than less he has, the can receive more. If I have everything, what I still can receive? What in it prospect? The spiritual life it something very significant, is possible does not worry that I shall miss that that in spiritual life, I shall get not in that rase or suddenly I shall find myself at a great disadvantage. " The Rases distributed, and I have passed and now in best that and has not got. " 12 chapters BG describe qualities pure devotee. SB describes greatness of the God and gradually results the person in understanding of events Vrindavan (Krisna lila). CC learns as to follow in the steps Goswami. We can not realize that that maximum, not having realized a beginning. By him(it) if to understand even that that one and to apply it, it is much better, than to try where that to jump. Emotions it not end in itself. The emotions, taste or various stages of fidelity, proceed from the most devoted service. Therefore business not in emotions or taste, business in devoted service.

Hari bol Raga! jaya Radhe. that your interpretation of the verse is wrong. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

*** in 1959 from the same Acarya Bhakti Prajnana Keshava Gosvami Maharaja. Prabhupada: So He accepted spiritual... Not spiritual master, but a sannyasa-guru. That is also master, but he’s not spiritual master. But he’s also considered as sannyasa-guru, spiritual master who offers him sannyasa. Just like myself, I took initiation from my Guru Maharaja, but I took sannyдsa from a Godbrother who is a sannyasi. ***In an article entitled "Vedantavitta Krsna"in Sri Gaudiya Patirka in 1957 Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada writes "Sri Gaudya Vedanta Samiti is working for the genuine welfare and auspiciousness of the world by preching bhakti-vedanta and I consider it imperative for every Vaisnava to cooperate with this Samiti." "Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated January 1, 1973, and I am very glad to hear from you the wonderful news of travelling party in England. .... So I can understand that it is not an easy matter to travel extensively over long periods of time without proper food, rest, and sometimes it must be very cold there also, and still, because you are getting so much enjoyment, spiritual enjoyment, from it, it seems like play to you. That is advanced stage of spiritual life, never attained by even the greatest yogis and so-called jyanis. But let any man see our devotees working so hard for Krishna, then let anyone say that they are not better than any millions of so-called yogis and transcendentalists, that is my challenge! Because you are rightly understanding through your personal realisation this philosophy of Krishna Consciousness, therefore in such a short time you have surpassed all the stages of yoga processes to come to the highest point of surrendering to Krishna. That I can very much appreciate, thank you very much for helping me in this way." ****because only a realized person can really understand what another realized person wanted to tell in His books, "So our request is that you don’t take this movement as something sentimental, religious faith. No. It is a very scientific, educational movement. Take advantage of it. That is our request. You can understand this movement by reading so many books. We have got about two dozen books like this. But we have got another alternative method which is very simple and easy. You chant ... gradually everything will be clear. So we are not selling this mantra, we are not asking any price for it. This Hare Kеслa mantra is open for everyone. So our request is that there is no loss on your part. You kindly take this mantra and chant. Begin chanting .... Then the result will be, gradually, all the misgivings within our heart will be cleansed. " **** committing vaisnava aparadha. Yes this real fall. ******* There is a type of neophyte devotee who is very anxious to hear about the pastimes of the Lord, especially the rasa-lila chapters.... Such a devotee should know by this instruction that the pastimes of Prthu Maharaja are nondifferent from the pastimes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. An ideal king, Prthu Maharaja exhibited all talents in showing how to rule the citizens, how to educate them, how to develop the state economically, how to fight enemies, how to perform great sacrifices (yajпas), etc. Thus it is recommended for the sahajiyд, or the neophyte devotee, to hear, chant and get others to hear about the activities of Prthu Maharaja, even though one may think himself to be in the transcendental position of advanced devotional service. The prakеta-sahajiyas sometimes criticize pure devotees by calling them philosophers, learned scholars, knowers of the truth, or minute observers, but not devotees. On the other hand, they depict themselves as the most advanced, transcendentally blissful devotees, deeply absorbed in devotional service and mad to taste transcendental mellows. They also describe themselves as the most advanced devotees in spontaneous love, as knowers of transcendental mellows, as the topmost devotees in conjugal love of Krsna, and so on. Not actually knowing the transcendental nature of love of God, they accept their material emotions to be indicative of advancement. In this way they pollute the process of devotional service. To try to become writers of Vaiслava literature, they introduce their material conceptions of life into pure devotional service. Because of their material conceptions, they advertise themselves as knowers of transcendental mellows, but they do not understand the transcendental nature of devotional service. SBST comments that persons who are actually very poor because they possess not even a drop of love of Godhead or pure devotional service falsely advertise themselves as great devotees, although they cannot at any time relish the transcendental bliss of devotional service. ******* My spiritual teacher teaches to spiritual science in the pure state. Therefore titles for this purpose are not necessary to me. When the spiritual life leaves, there are only titles and misinterpret the holy books. ****** So it is with any society, such as the International Society for Krishna Consciousness: If the members of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, putting faith in Kеслa as the center, live in harmony according to the order and principles of Bhagavad-gita , then they are living in Vaikuntha, not in this material world. **What is the meaning of Iskcon, and who is a member > of Iskcon? Iskcon means the Internacional Society > for Krishna Consciousness, and that devotee who is > 100% Krishna conscious, he is a true and actual > member of this society. "Rather, every member of the Kеслa consciousness movement is interested in going door to door to try to convince people about the teachings of Bhagavad-gйtд As It Is, the teachings of Lord Caitanya. " "The conclusion is that in order to get freed from the material disease, one must take to the chanting of the Hare Kеслa mantra. The Kеслa consciousness movement is especially meant for creating an atmosphere in which people can take to the chanting of the Hare Kеслa mantra. One must begin with faith, and when this faith is increased by chanting, a person can become a member of the Society. " One ours mataji has left a body in Vrindavan and has returned to the God. Can to her worship - She already pure devotee, but at life here such certainly was not. Actually she always was in ecstasy. A part of attributes of ecstasy were always shown at her in kirtan. I do not know her rasa, but she was not in the parental relations probably.

**Dear Kailash, I do have a guru. OK. Am too. Paramahamsa guru, rasika too.

If you follow YOU understanding sastra it is YOU coise(?). Sastra writes for understanding. Whit out guru nobody not understand sastra. Needs guru.

**You, however, leave it aside just as a snake discards its skin, snake have skin?

TRANSLATION “ ‘You should know Krsna as the original soul of all atmas [living entities]. For the benefit of the whole universe, He has, out of His causeless mercy, appeared as an ordinary human being. He has done this with the strength of His own internal potency.’

Forgetting Kеслa, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy [mдyд] gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence.

"The illusory material nature attracts the minute living entity to embrace her, and as a result he assumes forms composed of her qualities. Subsequently, he loses all his spiritual qualities and must undergo repeated deaths. You, however, avoid the material energy in the same way that a snake abandons its old skin. Glorious in Your possession of eight mystic perfections, You enjoy unlimited opulences." SB

SP writes about fall and not fall. No needs follow one side.

I wrote one posts in club (poorly understandable), and other house. They you see responded me, why it is not understandable in such case? All links on sastra are connected among themselves. The soul is a part samvit sakti. Therefore its(her) relation are eternal with the God and in it sense that she(it) does not fall. In the other case explain what means eternal? anadi this temporary status, but eternal is eternal. Eternal means there is no beginning (anadi) and there is no end. It is correct? The material infinity is "0" in comparison with spiritual. Does not fall the soul does not lose the qualities means as that. The soul can not fall in the material world, never by him(it) of the relations with the God. She has the relation with the God and ambassador falls. The time is speed of change of a matter. In the spiritual world there is no material time. Soul therefore IS NOT POSSIBLE to determine at what moment of time has fallen here (anadi). Srila Prabhupada all this is very good explains. "About your question: The Spirit Soul is certainly eternal and changeless [ sastra all world explains it *kailasa* ]; and the fall is superficial [ *ANADI* The soul does not fall ], just like the relation between father and son cannot be broken ever [ The relation are eternal ]. Now we are simply in a phase of forgetfulness [ The soul has fallen ], and this forgetfulness is called Maya. There is a nice example in the waning of the moon. To use the moon appears to be changing [ Life in the material world ], but in fact the moon is always the same [ But the soul is real remains in a spiritual situation ]. So as eternal servitors of Krishna [ We are not expansion Maha Visnu ]--our constitutional position--we fall down when we try to become the enjoyer, imitating Krishna. That is our downfall. Krishna is the Supreme Enjoyer, and we are constitutionally [ Always, is eternal ] to be enjoyed by Him, and when we revive this constitutional position where is no more Maya. K.C. gives us the opportunity of rendering service to Krishna, and this service attitude only can replace us on our original [ There where we were ] position. Please therefore, continue to chant faithfully, and Krishna will reveal Himself [ If to have sraddha Krisna will show itself ], by His Causeless Mercy, and you will know everything automatically [ You will lose not looking on all knowledge sastra /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif ]. I shall, of course always be ready and anxious to answer any question you have." This letter Prabhupada is much more than knowledge sanskrit. Studying language it is not possible to increase spiritual qualification. Try to understand - THE GOD DID NOT SEND In the MATERIAL WORLD ANYBODY. - THE GOD CREATES ALL PERFECT And ALL HAS ANANDA NATURE INITIALLY And ETERNALLY. - We came here. - OUR efforts therefore are necessary what to get out of the material world. - Material world created on desires of SOUL. ( Can it be not understandably written /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif ?) I have resulted enough verses where is spoken that 1. The soul forgets or turns away from the God. 2. The soul falls in the material world. 3. The soul proceeds from Krisna. 4. souls it is expansion cit sakti, but not sat sakti. Bibli speaks about fall as. kеслa-bahirmukha haпд bhoga vдпchд kare nikaцa-stha mдyд tдre jдpaцiyд dhare This is the formula. As soon as we forget Kеслa, immediately there is mдyд. Just like the sunshine and in the shade, they are existing side by side. If you don’t remain in the sunshine, then you come to the shade, darkness. And if you don’t remain in the darkness, you come to the sunshine. Similarly, if we don’t accept Kеслa consciousness, then we have to accept mдyд consciousness. And if we don’t accept mдyд consciousness, then we have to accept Kеслa consciousness. Side by side. Tatastha. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif **Mayby so being over relations too am many. Yes? Is guilty. I do not understand. Can be to you tell differently. ***Why not take a break from debating fine theological points to spend three months or so seriously concentrating on learning spoken English. This serious offer. It is necessary to consider. Why by him to not have it is a little patience (Titiksa). Through a pair of pages I all would explain to them. I shall not write simply any more from club. Though the basic things you see were clear. Observe - soul it sat, cit, ananda. soul is eternal, form soul is eternal, relations etrnal Compare - anadi *** ETERNAL There are two eternities material and spiritual. In material eternity of soul refer to as nitya baddha, in spiritual eternity of soul refer to as nitya siddha. In any case if the relation ARE ETERNAL. The material eternity is relative (anadi), but the spiritual eternity is absolute (sat-cit-ananda). From the point of view of material eternity the soul falls in her. Of the point of view of spiritual eternity the soul never falls. Is necessary to try to understand that have in view of Goswami. ************ They can not respond. What for to close a subject? It is their right certainly. If they will not close a subject, whether that all then can understand the soul falls or does not fall?

Am late, now am not undestand. He is wery well all undrstand, wery well. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif They intrprent Prbhupada. Am take citation from FOLIO in pure language, but ... they take off this citation. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

Now in SPb, Moskow, Novgorod, may be others all in smoke, burn(?) forests.

**SAT-SANGA In world is one sadhu or many?

beginningless - Because in the spiritual world there is no material time. In what time the soul was included here - beginningless, because the time is a category of the material world. There are two eternities material and spiritual. In material eternity of soul refer to as nitya baddha, in spiritual eternity of soul refer to as nitya siddha. In any case if the relation ARE ETERNAL. The material eternity is relative (anadi), but the spiritual eternity is absolute (sat-cit-ananda). From the point of view of material eternity the soul falls in her. Of the point of view of spiritual eternity the soul never falls. From the point of view of the spiritual world of soul do not fall, it is more exception, but did not correct. From the point of view of the material world, here all have fallen. "About your question: The Spirit Soul is certainly eternal and changeless; and the fall is superficial, just like the relation between father and son cannot be broken ever. Now we are simply in a phase of forgetfulness, and this forgetfulness is called Maya. There is a nice example in the waning of the moon. To use the moon appears to be changing, but in fact the moon is always the same. So as eternal servitors of Krishna--our constitutional position--we fall down when we try to become the enjoyer, imitating Krishna. That is our downfall. Krishna is the Supreme Enjoyer, and we are constitutionally to be enjoyed by Him, and when we revive this constitutional position where is no more Maya. K.C. gives us the opportunity of rendering service to Krishna, and this service attitude only can replace us on our original position. Please therefore, continue to chant faithfully, and Krishna will reveal Himself, by His Causeless Mercy, and you will know everything automatically. I shall, of course always be ready and anxious to answer any question you have." "... The soul is a particle of consciousness. When she makes offence, turning away from service Krisna, she gets under authority maya. ..." Brahma samhita 44. The comment SBT ( Sri Caitanya Sarasvat Math ) "We search here for that have lost when participated in lilas Vaikuntha." Premapradipa. SBT

The fragment of God, the living entity, may fall down into the material world, but the Supreme Lord (Acyuta) never falls down. BG 8.3 Therefore, she addressed Him as the original puruсa beyond the material cosmos. Although all living entities are also transcendental, they are neither original nor infallible. The living entities are apt to fall down under the clutches of material nature, but the Lord is never like that. SB 1.8.18 The Supreme Lord is known as Acyuta, and Lord Kеслa is addressed as such by Arjuna in Bhagavad-gйtд (senayor ubhayor madhye rathaа sthдpaya me ’cyuta). Acyuta refers to one who does not fall because He is never influenced by the modes of material nature. When a living entity falls down to the material world from his original position, he becomes cyuta, which means that he forgets his relationship with Acyuta. Actually every living entity is a part and parcel, or a son, of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When influenced by the modes of material nature, a living entity forgets this relationship and thinks in terms of different species of life; but when he again comes to his original consciousness, he does not observe such bodily designations. SB 4.21.12 In conditional life the living entity is attracted by a face, eyebrows or eyes, a voice or anything. In short, everything becomes attractive. When a man or a woman is attracted by the opposite sex, it does not matter whether the opposite sex is beautiful or not. The lover sees everything beautiful in the face of the beloved and thus becomes attracted. This attraction causes the living entity to fall down in this material world. SB 4.25.31 This is an explanation of how the living entity falls down into this material world. In the spiritual world there is no duality, nor is there hate. The Supreme Personality of Godhead expands Himself into many. In order to enjoy bliss more and more, the Supreme Lord expands Himself in different categories. As mentioned in the Varдha purдлa, He expands Himself in viслu-tattva (the svдазa expansion) and in His marginal potency (the vibhinnдазa, or the living entity). These expanded living entities are innumerable, just as the minute molecules of sunshine are innumerable expansions of the sun. The vibhinnдазa expansions, the marginal potencies of the Lord, are the living entities. When the living entities desire to enjoy themselves, they develop a consciousness of duality and come to hate the service of the Lord. In this way the living entities fall into the material world. In the prema-vivarta it is said: kеслa-bahirmukha haпд bhoga-vдпchд kare nikaцa-stha mдyд tдre jдpaцiyд dhare The natural position of the living entity is to serve the Lord in a transcendental loving attitude. When the living entity wants to become Kеслa Himself or imitate Kеслa, he falls down into the material world. Since Kеслa is the supreme father, His affection for the living entity is eternal. When the living entity falls down into the material world, the Supreme Lord, through His svдазa expansion (Paramдtmд), keeps company with the living entity. In this way the living entity may some day return home, back to Godhead. By misusing his independence, the living entity falls down from the service of the Lord and takes a position in this material world as an enjoyer. That is to say, the living entity takes his position within a material body. Wanting to take a very exalted position, the living entity instead becomes entangled in a repetition of birth and death. He selects his position as a human being, a demigod, a cat, a dog, a tree, etc. In this way the living entity selects a body out of the 8,400,000 forms and tries to satisfy himself by a variety of material enjoyment. The Supersoul, however, does not like him to do this. Consequently, the Supersoul instructs him to surrender unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Lord then takes charge of the living entity. But unless the living entity is uncontaminated by material desires, he cannot surrender to the Supreme Lord. SB 4.28.53 and so on. beginningless - Because in the spiritual world there is no material time. In what time the soul was included here - beginningless, because the time is a category of the material world. There are two eternities material and spiritual. In material eternity of soul refer to as nitya baddha, in spiritual eternity of soul refer to as nitya siddha. In any case if the relation ARE ETERNAL. The material eternity is relative (anadi), but the spiritual eternity is absolute (sat-cit-ananda). From the point of view of material eternity the soul falls in her. Of the point of view of spiritual eternity the soul never falls. From the point of view of the spiritual world of soul do not fall, it is more exception, but did not correct. From the point of view of the material world, here all have fallen. OK? "The Lord is eternal; therefore any relationship in which we accept Him is also eternal." "Every living being has an eternal relationship with the supreme living being, Kеслa. " "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval." BG 2.20 “It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kеслa because he is the marginal energy of Kеслa and a manifestation simultaneously one and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Kеслa has three varieties of energy. Madhya 20.108-109 Marginal means the separated expansion. Soul same as well as God, only soul not the God. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif Soul of the PERSON, instead of the MECHANISMS, therefore at them are there can be PERSONAL DESIRES. Tatastha means sat-cit-ananda, as reflection of the Supreme Person. "... The soul is a particle of consciousness. When she makes offence, turning away from service Krisna, she gets under authority maya. ..." Brahma samhita 44. The comment SBT ( Sri Caitanya Sarasvat Math ) "We search here for that have lost when participated in lilas Vaikuntha." Premapradipa. SBT You accept Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura? He is acariya or not? ***** God enjoy made soul in material world anadi? ***** The god does not enjoy it. The soul ITSELF comes here at the will, instead of the God sends her here in prison. We came here, therefore WE receive consequences it. "About your question: The Spirit Soul is certainly eternal and changeless; and the fall is superficial, just like the relation between father and son cannot be broken ever. Now we are simply in a phase of forgetfulness, and this forgetfulness is called Maya. There is a nice example in the waning of the moon. To use the moon appears to be changing, but in fact the moon is always the same. So as eternal servitors of Krishna--our constitutional position--we fall down when we try to become the enjoyer, imitating Krishna. That is our downfall. Krishna is the Supreme Enjoyer, and we are constitutionally to be enjoyed by Him, and when we revive this constitutional position where is no more Maya. K.C. gives us the opportunity of rendering service to Krishna, and this service attitude only can replace us on our original position. Please therefore, continue to chant faithfully, and Krishna will reveal Himself, by His Causeless Mercy, and you will know everything automatically. I shall, of course always be ready and anxious to answer any question you have." Here all very clearly is explained?

In Moskow nice atmosphera. If you go in Novgorod ( 200 km from Sankt Peterburg ) am late tape tel. You may stay in grihastha devotee in house. We sow for you Novgorod. hristian temples. In Sankt Peterburg have templ Caitanya Sarasvat Math, may be it possible stay here. ISKCON in SPb have 2 big apartments may be it possible stay here. Am may writte in Caitanya Sarasvat Math, ISKCON in SPb. me e mail if needs ok65@yandex.ru

It is nice story abhout raganuga. It is unripe sraddha and top all this it is unripe dhyana. You know sastra wery well, you take many nice cualities (?). raganuga it is raganuga shi is not arise from readings (?)

**The ripe stage is the stage of pure loving devotion and the unripe stage is the stage of practice. you in ripe stage?

**It looks like you are not going to convince anyone at Raganuga Raganuga? Where Raganuga? Am go for Raganuga , am take Raganuga, all glories to Raganuga.

**your ideas it is not me ideas it is you ideas.

Bhakti begin from sraddha.

Need writings story. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif May be about Radha Krisna.