kailasa

>Q&A discussion with..... Q. I came across a passage in Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita that disturbed me very much. The purport to Bg.1.40 reads, 'As children are prone to be misled women are similarly very prone to degradation.' Later in the purport Prabhupada says, 'According to Canakya Pandita, women are generally not very intelligent and therefore not trustworthy.' The Gita verse itself is acceptable but when it is followed by these other two statements, it starts looking like female bashing from some harsh, male dominated viewpoint. Can be Canakya Pandita Error? SP has told that in west there is no difference between the man and woman, therefore sometimes and man it is not necessary to trust. If the society(community) is operated(controled) by(with) the woman, it is strongly felt. >Prabhupada's Gita commentary was written over 50 years ago Even if will pass 50 000 years this question will not change. Woman more sincere is their strength, but for them the not too steady mind(wit) and is the thin moments which they do not distinguish. Therefore it is better to them to not preach to the men especially if it still woman, instead of the soul, but any woman even if in a spiritual world she(it) a tree, here she(it) will think that she(it) - gopi. If the society(community) or motion is operated(controled) by(with) the woman, it will be destroyed. But most interesting will be if the society(community) will be operated(controled) by(with) two women. Do not think that I badly treat the women, about the men it is possible too much to write, but nevertheless everyone has strong and weak parties. If the woman operates(controls) motion to it(her) it is necessary to take care of a delegation of authority to other woman or to make changes in sastra -"His comments of 50 years ago do seem conservative and somewhat insensitive to today's postmodern worldview." All is correct, it is path to success - I wish good luck. >Q. I heard that verse 9.32 of Bhagavad-Gita can be translated in two ways, either as Srila Prabhupada did: "O son of Prtha, those who can take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth - women, vaisyas, sudras - can attain the supreme destination." or "...though they be sinful women, vaisyas or sudras..." Which is true? The transfer(translation) sinful women means that SP it(he) has not introduced ALL women to this category, as true good men.

>Bhagavatam teaches that Vrindavan is the holiest place, not Kasi. Kasi concerns to Lord Siva, but in maximum sense and to Vrindavan. Lord Siva in maximum sense the God, how He can be manjari? He can not take a position manjari and in this sense He does not represent maximum perfection, But as he brings the value anyone He best of vaisnav.

I translated Good Magic, now WebTranSite, probably sometimes I am in a hurry and badly I select words, therefore sometimes it is not understandable. Prompt is not established.

> Fearful intimidation and reluctance based on awe and reverence must at some point be transcended by the natural spontaneous rush of devotional feelings inspired by the need of personal intimate relationship. You think what all this simply your feelings? You are already happy enough having the intimate attitudes(relations)? With whom you have them? Forgive My God. > Krsna is under the absolute control of Radhika. I am already tired to listen to this song in Russia you also here write something, anything in it not understanding. Why then Lord Caitanya searches Krisna, why not Radha?... absolute control...

> But the final result will be only attained by exclusive Hari’s free will and nothing else. Yes I agree. But the God establishes also principles sadana. Sadana gives cleanliness and nothing gives simultaneously, if we correctly carry out sadana we gradually we achieve success, if we simply try to make from this the mechanism, all stops. >Srimad Bhagavatam (11.12.9) states: yam na yogena sankhyena / dana-vrata-tapo-‘dhvaraih vyakhya-svadhyaya-sannyasaih / prapnuyad yatnavan api “Even though one engages with great endeavor in the mystic yoga system, philosophical speculation, charity, vows, penances, ritualistic sacrifices, teaching Vedic mantras, or the renounced order of life, still one cannot achieve Me.” BG 12 chapter "Just fix your mind upon Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and engage all your intelligence in Me. Thus you will live in Me always, without a doubt." This description of spontaneous fidelity. "My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulative principles of bhakti-yoga. In this way develop a desire to attain Me." This description sadana. (abhyasa-yogena) "If you cannot practice the regulations of bhakti-yoga, then just try to work for Me, because by working for Me you will come to the perfect stage." It karma-yoga, as activity in Consciousness Krisna. (work for Me) "If, however, you are unable to work in this consciousness of Me, then try to act giving up all results of your work and try to be self-situated." It is usual karma-yoga. "If you cannot take to this practice, then engage yourself in the cultivation of knowledge. Better than knowledge, however, is meditation, and better than meditation is renunciation of the fruits of action, for by such renunciation one can attain peace of mind." gyana, dhyana, karma-yoga. And karma-yoga is higher dhyana, everyone think that karma-yoga it is the bottom, is higher gyana and even above dhyana. But karma-yoga it just òàêè that that does not suffice. Gyana it is the fact much. Dhyana it is less, mostly impersonal ( Is merged with happiness Krisna by and large) and part of meditation on games. Vigyana it is even less, realized karma-yoga it is few, only that have made for us knowing this unfortunate rule(situation). For themselves everyone do(make) much, but for the God as a rule only in exchange on clearing, sensations of spiritual life.... As vigyana poorly therefore devotee frequently do not know that it is necessary to do(make) wandering in doubts and trying to cover all this with whose íèáóäü with authority instead of that what to apply sastra in the life. In sadana devotee can establish the attitudes(relation) with the God, sadana it is adjustable fidelity, that is she(it) interrupts, but sadana it not it is not enough, to wash a floor in a temple it sadana, to meditate it sadana, but also to receive darsan or kripa in result sadana as probably and it most likely. It(he) gives us the instructions. Lord Brahma the creator carried out all askesa, Narada Muni instructed the snake. It is simply necessary to understand that there are TWO things - sadana and kripa, it is simple kripa is possible(probable) without sadana, though as a rule in the previous life these persons that already did(made) that, nevertheless material world is created at the request of essences, if the soul does not want, as a rule she(it) and remains where it is pleasant to it(her). On the other hand God is completely independent, therefore it is a mistake to speak that there is a method of achievement It(him). >It is said that: “One may invite Hari for his party. But there is no guarantee that He will came.” Yes I agree. >Bhakti may land in every soul. Smrti texts are full of such examples. Dogs, trees, stones, rivers and other non-mobile creatures, completely tamasic and unable to follow any kind of discipline suddenly attain utmost bhakti by Hari’s exclusive mercy. How can one explain and rule bhakti? How can one prescribe any real path for it? Hari’s mercy is above all rules and prescriptions. In the spiritual world even there is a certain order, though his(its) basis is not material, nevertheless. For example there nobody can become the God. It is possible to try to make here. As soon as the soul thinks - " And why not I? " Before it(her) the opportunity opens enter the material world what completely to find out why. Probably everything, but not probably become the God, as the God is independent, the soul as sometimes and very seldom can show such desire, this rule(situation) of the God, but sometimes soul tries as to borrow(occupy) it(him). Formally we agree to devoted service, but is real all of us still we borrow(occupy) a position enjoying or God, this contradiction. We want to return, but with such consciousness there do not live, if we have a lot of independent desires??? We many do not know, but the Supersoul knows all. If they are how here to be? Then we have done here against others much and under the law of general validity we should receive reactions back? Demons always in a rate who also that does(makes) also they always shout in a slightest occasion and without an occasion the God can cross all laws, that he and does(makes), but is not constant. Actually He speaks - " Well leave, I shall help you ", but what leave it there should be OUR desire, the God does not work against OUR desires. Because what will be for love, if I it do not want? Therefore it is the thin moment, the God can everything, question only behind us. And the qualification, especially in devoted service is really necessary, sincere devotee can be released(exempted) from the very beginning, but what to serve much that would be necessary. The spiritual world is filled by activity here again we simply we begin under the circuit and in due course we work consciously, then becomes possible(probable) bhakti yoga. Who only accepts that of the God and there are sects which at this level, who that with Vaikuntha, who that devotee the Lord Rama, who that goes through maximum planets, at some the fidelity is mixed with fidelity demigods...., there are many levels of consciousness and accordingly many sects, it is correct. The service in mood of greatness of the God always clears and from him(it) can be shown sakhya for example on kripa. That on Goloka nobody knows what is Lord Narayana? There can be they do not remember it(him) constantly, but whom then they worship as the God? Can be there live ateists?

There come to Russia at us so much girl and you will forget all this tama guna, and then and girl will forget. Joke, one girl you long will not forget - wife.

>Hari’s mervy is always prevalent. One may perform all sort of sadhanas, but it is Hari who really decides when one is fit to have His personal association. I agree. But the performance sadana gives to any guarantee of reception kripa, and the performance nevertheless increases her(it). Not each professor finished university, but if not to finish university it does not mean that will become the professor.

>Srila Prabhupada did this less than 30 years after the passing of his Prabhupada, could the times have changed that much in 28 short years? He has arrived on west and has established all finally. By the comments SP has protected the books previous acariya and He has presented all from the point of view vipralambha, that there is a final top. He completely has presented Pancatattva and practically has established her Supreme rule(situation). SBST has told - "the time will come and he will make ALL". And has taken place. ISKCON has printed the books, has opened temples worldwide, in the books SP the race and all intermediate rules(situations) of philosophy is established. As ISKCON works in real time, therefore in real time there come reactions, as they come because in ISKCON many people. There is nobody more dearly than first diciples SP what these people sibiliant from different directions understand in love? That they have made except for as would creep out of the holes what also to prevent on a road? SP would give by him a few diciples that they studied preach I can on this theme to write much, but let everyone serve who as can. Êesi this embodiment of pride, therefore if who that will be too wide to open a mouth, he risks that Krisna will put there hand, let will try after that to repeat all that they there speak. This not spiritually. Unfortunate horse.

Normal economy, when all will fail in Russia it will be best. We write music " I do not want to be krisnait ", " This body as the machine, house, computer, a disco ", " I your pleasant meeting ", we northern bears, I a deer of a horn to me for the present have not put. Hitler married before death on christian traditions, his(its) rule(situation) is similar is more best than yours. The people to eat meat, therefore is born Hitler.

>But there is no evidence of his existence even. umpphmmm... Thankyou.

And as I the servant - dasa, I also remain in dasya, not applying on mathurya. The impudent girl they are not attractive them and in the wife will not take what to speak about greater. Àh yes I have forgotten this the spontaneous relations. And as I nature not a brahman (priest), kshatriya (administrator and soldier), vaishya,- I can accept any role for satisfaction the God. If Krisna I want - I become (if in a condition in general) - brahman (priest) or kshatriya, me all the same, as I not that and not another. If the God sends sufferings, I accept them, I do not choose that it is pleasant more to me, I as am not so great what to estimate others, but in philosophy of fidelity the compromise is impossible. If Krisna I want I can remain here, I can rise in the spiritual world and later again to return here, it not so is important. In what gopi bhava? In that that at me everywhere account, what I verify each step before to go? I have developed the perfect reason I and know each moment of time what the God wants from me? Pure devotee, uttama adhikari, can all use in service, it and is him one of attributes, neophit be not capable anything to use except for how to be asked about clearing, escaping from pressing materialists, not having forgotten thus to adopt their sights on devotee and devoted service. The great workers move mountains for the sake of the interests, but our fidelity is so advanced that her(it) suffices on a pair of circles ìantra. Where here external? The temples are internal energy, it is possible to work in bhava, it is possible repeat in maya. The devoted service is absolute, if who everywhere sees that kanistha it external, uttama adhikari uses all - all of their machine and factory, but at neophit one song - all this external, now I shall open to you essence. MANY HAVE FALLEN BECAUSE THAT THAT DID(MADE) FOR the GOD NOT ON ACCOUNT. WHO THAT FALLS BECAUSE HAS RISEN And NOT WHO THAT DOES NOT FALL BECAUSE TO FALL THERE IS NO PLACE - VAISNAVAPARADHA THIS INSULT ¹1, Where is even lower? And THEY ARE ENGAGED in IT PROFESSIONALLY And CONSTANTLY, ALL THEIR LIFE IS CONSTRUCTED ON OWN GREATNESS And ENVY. And all philosophy on similar motives will take off for a pipe, what sastra her do not cover with.. Many simply were not skilled, but their situation is much better and more purely. Many from them already have returned, many to return not looking on anything, but some still long will here meditate having got confused in three trees and not understanding and simple things. " I am the eternal servant of the servant of the servant, " is means that I serve also whom I serve - all servants. In the beginning only to God, then only guru - uttama? Certainly, who else at us can be, then still pair people which personally has chosen. He the servant and he serve - if money is necessary he search for money, if necessary to operate he operate, to preach - preach. He do not do(make) it mechanically, he work in consciousness Krisna is not dependent on external designations and situation. And then here he connected to the God, all becomes internal energy, in a dust he find each day gold he not silly neophit everywhere seeing external. Certainly it is necessary to develop fidelity, nobody against, but is not necessary to think that who that works in external energy. One clause about vegetarian on a site costs most these some doubtful conversations, varnasrama is necessary much more than all these useless searches pure devotee and personal realization as doubtful. Sadana we accept for spontaneous fidelity, and meditation for devoted service is direct. And as I nature not a brahman (priest), kshatriya (administrator and soldier), vaishya, in this case accept everything, why only to attributes? Also what I in it understand - where it is pleasant, there and spiritually more? Correctly, correct choice. " bhramcharin (celibate student), grihastha (householder), vanprastha (one who has completed his family duties) or a sanyasin (renunciant). " Why then only sanyasin? Because at me is not present fidelity in the God and knowledge besides therefore I trust only most most or myself and again in a point - Correctly. Perfectly. Best guru, the best role - forward, is necessary only to reach, the ladder, ladder in paradise, and here Radharani? where in all it internal energy is necessary? It maya and top maya increase of personal greatness under the different names and to speak that energy a source everything, not knowing Gita to interpret that that that above, but I that am higher. All of them have fallen - "... Never will be in ISKCON... " Uttama fidelity.

It is interesting to hear useful advice pure devotee. Mine unpure devoted will above so-called pure devotee, and kailasa that is higher with whose Goloka. Amanapeter, I thought you read only extremely about Radharany. Radharany in the spiritual world , where all of you so are hasten, feeling mature taste of devoted service. Sakti it is everything, but it by all who that operates. That who operates and there is a God. But from behind the insults some love to invent what to show the height, not having real connection.

The president of Russia! Having heard a cycle of lectures on the TV set, the country offers devotee to become the president. Having accepted the oath on Bhagavad Gita, pure devotee for the first time has reflected as now to operate. Huge forces and means took away military system. The state completely depend on trade in petroleum and gas. The debts, inflation growing criminality, corruption - devotee began to be asked... Having repeated 16 circles ìantra, he vigorously has undertaken business. Having left on battle watch three nuclear boats (three it is enough, that - to destroy all four times), devotee has sold half of stayed arsenal of USA, second half is grateful has accepted China. Having extinguished an external duty by money of NATO, pure devotee has sold two billion gift by China of towels to the countries of Africa. The centre of intensity has passed on China, the atmosphere in the country was improved. States were pleased, preparing economic expansion. Having handed over in rent Kuril and New ground to the Japanese devotee has enclosed money in an agriculture, having published in press the data on harm of meat. The meat industry, not supported by the population, has disappeared. The bulls and cow have destroyed manufacture of all kinds of fertilizers, development an agriculture has reduced to zero western expansion. The people began less to be sick, having felt inflow of forces and reliance in tomorrow's day. Having dismissed hearings about an exhaustion of all stocks of minerals, pure devotee has reduced their production - 80 % of an industry have ordered long to live. The interest world community to Russia almost has disappeared. On the country the favorable field was distributed, the spirits have begun to pack suitcases, understanding what to do(make) here there is nothing more. Russia has lost any prestige. The atmosphere was improved even more considerable. A part of reforms we hide, were afraid outflow of the information. Mad continued the jumps, periodically falling that from AIDS, from a heart attack. At the grandiose cultural centre under Moscow was begun 2õ a monthly festival. Ïîëóáîãè have consecrated Russian ground and the world has recognized Russia as a source of culture and eternal religion. The demons have announced meeting.

Storm Ostankino Having woken up in the morning and having entered in a unenviable situation of the caused souls, pure devotee has liked to them compassion and having forgotten about importance of continuous comprehension itself as the servant of the God, he develops the grandiose plan of the sermon. Having made 500 nut burfi, devotee is sent in the telecentre Ostankino (Moskow, who does not know). The creative people are known ekscentric both indispensable deep and latent while, from a look usual man, talent. Per one century Kali, actors concerning the lowest category kast, send on the foreground of life of a society. On the other hand, is tired to play not the roles, they frequently showed benevolence to simple devoted the Lord Visnu. The attendants Ostankino, having got in shadow of glory running on rectangular corridors of the centre to celebrities, was on - worker is weakened. Having spent 420 burfi, pure devotee the central studio of TV has reached. " Here Krisna - he has told conducting, peacefully touching the reports of last accidents - I would like to learn(find out) your opinion concerning yesterday's events. " Conducting has quickened, having weighed strategic situation, with obviously quite good result in the near future, conducting cultural has had a drink a drink there is some coffee from circles with a badge of the native channel. He looked far, seeing tactical rearrangements and qualities of the opponents, simultaneously keeping in mind(wit) a course of all world(global) events. Sometimes he had to look this or that tactical fragment from the point of view of known politik, adding their opinion in the worker game. Conducting did not make sound, is speculative speaking brisk dialogue. Sometimes emphasizing graceful definition conducting with humour looking on devotee, estimating pleasant intellectual ñàðêàçì. Having finished a ten-minute impromptu, he felt complete satisfaction from the ingenious analysis. Having plunged in memoirs of a seminar on problems of adequacy of perception(recognition) conducting has not noticed as have included the chamber. " It is good - has thought pure devotee - that is necessary that - to preach. " " The Kind evening - smiling was told devoted - by(with) I shall tell to you today some histories. " The People like to listen to histories, he has thought. The studio waited for the stories of the new visitor of author's transfer conducting, the management clearly understood, that all goes from submission of the centre, the centre clearly saw new idea of a management. Having begun with the description varnasrama, devotee harmoniously has passed to the device installed. Outgoing from devotee the energy excited sitting with a number(line) conducting. Conducting joyfully looked in the chamber, giving to picture solidity and decent a kind. The country, unshakably trusting in conducting, rejecting prejudices, listened pure devotee. The time of a serial began, the audience has grown on fifty millions. Having finished the description of UFOs and having told some ridiculous histories from life demigods, devotee have passed to the description brahman. A little vigilant sektants true sekt, in time having come round, have switched off boxes. Having entered in heart of the telespectator devoted continued to work. Having seen with words of the devoted executed immeasurable greatness the Supreme Lord Narayana, many have tested a spiritual shock. Pure devotee has passed to the description of races. Consistently go up to the matrimonial attitudes(relations) devotee has decided(solved) to not risk and having mentioned about riches Dvaraka, has finished a narration. Conducting, having heard devoted, about idle time faith in reinkarnation, has risen on a level nistha - unshakable fidelity Lord Visnu, firmly having decided(solved) the day after tomorrow to shave head.

Hare Krisna Janus! >Srila Prabhupada was wrong about a lot of things, but we were more wrong, because we didn't tell him. Could not you send a list of these errors me on mail? kailasa@novgorod.net Or though how à little. Devoteå speak about it, and I by any do not know. There can be it simplly ours not correct understanding? kailasa.

One who has transcended material good and evil automatically acts in accordance with religious injunctions and avoids forbidden activities. The self-realized person does this spontaneously, like an innocent child, and not because he is thinking in terms of material good and evil. PURPORT One who has developed transcendental knowledge never acts whimsically. Çréla Rüpa Gosvämé describes two stages of devotional service: sädhana-bhakti and rägänugä-bhakti. Rägänugä-bhakti is the stage of spontaneous love of Godhead, whereas sädhana-bhakti means the conscientious practice of the regulative principles of devotional service. In most cases, one who is now enjoying transcendental consciousness has rigidly practiced the rules and regulations of devotional service. Thus, due to previous practice, one spontaneously avoids sinful life and acts in accordance with the standards of ordinary piety. This does not mean that a self-realized soul is consciously avoiding sin and pursuing piety. Rather, due to his self-realized nature, he spontaneously engages in the most exalted spiritual activities, just as an innocent child may spontaneously exhibit good qualities such as kindness, tolerance, and so on. The spiritual platform is called çuddha-sattva, or purified goodness, to distinguish it from the material mode of goodness, which is always to some extent polluted by the lower modes of passion and ignorance. Thus if a man in material goodness appears to be most pious in the eyes of the world, we can only imagine the spotless character of a self-realized soul in purified spiritual goodness. Therefore it is stated in Çrémad-Bhägavatam (5.18.12): yasyästi bhaktir bhagavaty akiïcanä sarvair guëais tatra samäsate suräù haräv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guëä mano-rathenäsati dhävato bahiù If one is a pure devotee of Lord Kåñëa, he will automatically exhibit all the exalted qualities of the demigods. Such manifestation of purity is spontaneous, as explained in this verse. Unalloyed devotional service of the Lord progresses in different stages. Practice of devotional service in the material field is of eighty-one different qualities, and above such activities is the transcendental practice of devotional service, which is one and is called sädhana-bhakti. When unalloyed practice of sädhana-bhakti is matured into transcendental love for the Lord, the transcendental loving service of the Lord begins gradually developing into nine progressive stages of loving service under the headings of attachment, love, affection, feelings, affinity, adherence, following, ecstasy, and intense feelings of separation. “In this context we will make our analysis according to the method described in Çréla Rüpa Gosvämé’s Ujjvala-nélamaëi. There are two categories of gopés: the eternally perfect (the nitya-siddhas) and those who have become perfect by practicing bhakti-yoga (the sädhana-siddhas). The sädhana-siddhas are of two categories: those who belong to special groups and those who do not. And there are also two classes of the gopés belonging to special groups: namely the çruti-cärés, who come from the group of the personified Vedas, and the åñi-cärés, who come from the group of sages who saw Lord Rämacandra in the Daëòakäraëya forest. “This same fourfold categorization of the gopés is given in the Padma Puräëa: gopyas tu çrutayo jïeyä åñi-jä gopa-kanyakäù deva-kanyäç ca räjendra na mänuñyäù kathaïcana ‘It is understood that some of the gopés are personified Vedic literatures, while others are reborn sages, daughters of cowherds, or demigod maidens. But by no means, my dear King, are any of them ordinary humans.’ Here we are informed that although the gopés appeared to be human cowherd girls, they actually were not. Thus the contention that they are mortals is refuted. “The daughters of cowherds, referred to here as gopa-kanyäs, must be eternally perfect, since we never hear of them having executed any sädhana. Their apparent sädhana of worshiping goddess Kätyäyané in the role of gopés merely manifests their manner of playing like human beings, and the Bhägavatam narrates the account of this worship only to show how they had fully taken on the role of cowherd girls. The deva-kanyäs, daughters of the demigods, who are mentioned in the verse beginning sambhavas tv amara-striyaù, are explained in Çré Ujjvala-nélamaëi as partial expansions of the gopés who are eternally perfect. That the çruti-cäré gopés, the personified Vedas, are sädhana-siddha is understood from the following words of theirs quoted in the Båhad-vämana Puräëa: kandarpa-koöi-lävaëye tvayi dåñöe manäàsi naù käminé-bhävam äsädya smara-kñubdhänya-saàçayäù yathä tval-loka-väsinyaù käma-tattvena gopikäù bhajanti ramaëaà matvä cikérñäjaninas tathä ‘Since we have seen Your face, which possesses the beauty of millions of Cupids, our minds have become lusty after You like those of young girls, and we have forgotten all other allurements. We have developed the desire to act toward You as do the gopés who dwell on Your transcendental planet and who manifest the nature of Cupid by worshiping You with the idea that You are their paramour.’ “The åñi-cäré gopés are also sädhana-siddha, as stated in Ujjvala-nélamaëi: gopälopäsakäù pürvam apräptäbhéñöa-siddhayaù. Previously they were all mahärñis living in the Daëòaka forest. We find evidence for this in the Padma Puräëa, Uttara-khaëòa: dåñövä rämaà harià tatra bhoktum aicchan su-vigraham te sarve strétvam äpannäù samudbhütäç ca gokule harià sampräpya kämena tato muktä bhavärëavät This verse says that upon seeing Lord Rämacandra, the sages in the Daëòaka forest desired to enjoy Lord Hari (Kåñëa). In other words, the sight of Lord Räma’s beauty reminded them of Lord Hari, Gopäla, their personal object of worship, and they then wanted to enjoy with Him. But out of embarrassment they did not act on that desire, whereupon Lord Çré Räma, who is like a desire tree, gave His mercy to them, even though they had not voiced their request. Thus their desire was fulfilled, as stated by the words beginning te sarve. By means of their lusty attraction they became freed from the ocean of material existence, the cycle of birth and death, and coincidentally they got the association of Hari in conjugal love. “In the present verse of the Bhägavatam we understand that it was the gopés who had children who were kept forcibly at home. This fact is clear from verses yet to come: mätaraù pitaraù puträù (Bhäg. 10.29.20), yat-paty-apatya-suhådäm anuvåttir aìga (Bhäg. 10.29.32) and pati-sutänvaya-bhrätå-bändhavän (Bhäg. 10.31.16). In his comments on the Tenth Canto, Çréla Kavi-karëapüra Gosvämé mentions this fact. Without trying to repeat all his thoughts on this verse, we will give the gist of his purport: “ ‘Upon seeing the personal form of Lord Çré Rämacandra, the sages who were worshipers of Lord Gopäla immediately became elevated to the mature platform of spontaneous devotion, automatically reaching the stages of firm faith, attraction and attachment. But they had not yet completely freed themselves of all material contamination; therefore Çré Yogamäyä-devi arranged for them to take birth from the wombs of gopés and become cowherd girls. By associating with the eternally perfect gopés, some of these new gopés fully manifested pürva-raga loving attraction for Kåñëa as soon as they reached puberty (This kind of attraction develops even before one meets the beloved.) When these new gopés got the direct audience of Kåñëa and physically associated with Him, all their remaining contamination became burned up, and they achieved the advanced stages of prema, sneha and so on. “ ‘Even though they were in the company of their cowherd husbands, by the power of Yogamäyä the gopés remained unsullied by sexual contact with them; rather, they were situated in purely spiritual bodies that Kåñëa enjoyed. On the night they heard the sound of Kåñëa’s flute, their husbands tried to stop them, but by the merciful assistance of Yogamäyä the sädhana-siddha gopés were able to go forth to their beloved, together with the nitya-siddha gopés. According to Çréla Jéva Gosvämé, the process of bhakti-yoga is so powerful that even in the stage of sädhana-bhakti, in which one is practicing devotional service through rules and regulations, the neophyte can have a direct experience of fearlessness by the mercy of the Lord. As one’s devotional service becomes mature, the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee, and all fear is totally vanquished forever. Every living entity has a natural propensity to serve God, but because of false identification with the temporary body one loses touch with this pure, constitutional propensity and instead inauspiciously becomes attached to temporary sense gratification in the form of body, home, family and so on. The result of such false attachment is continuing distress, which can be eradicated only by devotional service to the Supreme Lord. The words bhaktyä saïjätayä bhaktyä indicate that there are two divisions of bhakti-yoga: sädhana-bhakti and rägänuga-bhakti. Çréla Prabhupäda has elaborately explained in his book The Nectar of Devotion the progress of the devotee from sädhana-bhakti, or the execution of regulative principles, to rägänuga-bhakti, or service executed in love of Godhead. A person who is advanced in Kåñëa consciousness always feels separation from Kåñëa because such a feeling of separation excels the feeling of meeting Kåñëa. Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu, in His last twelve years of existence within this world at Jagannätha Puré, taught the people of the world how, with a feeling of separation, one can develop His dormant love of Kåñëa. Such feelings of separation or meeting with Kåñëa are different stages of love of Godhead. These feelings develop in time when a person seriously engages in devotional service. The highest stage is called prema-bhakti, but this stage is attained by executing sädhana-bhakti. One should not try to elevate himself artificially to the stage of prema-bhakti without seriously following the regulative principles of sädhana-bhakti. prema-bhakti is the stage of relishing, whereas sädhana-bhakti is the stage of improving in devotional service. Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu taught this cult of devotional service in full detail by practical application in His own life. It is said, therefore, äpani äcari’ bhakti çikhäimu sabäre. Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu is Kåñëa Himself, and in the role of a kåñëa-bhakta, a devotee of Kåñëa, He instructed the entire world how one can execute devotional service and thus go back home, back to Godhead, in due course of time. Ädi 13.40

At first 1 then 9. 1:9, in the other case it will be 0 or -9. " the Spontaneous fidelity " has decided(solved) to play in football.

In the Chändogya Upaniñad (7.1.4), the Puräëas and Mahäbhärata, generally known as histories, are mentioned as the fifth Veda. After the Vedas were divided into four divisions, Paila Åñi became the professor of the Åg Veda, Jaimini the professor of the Säma Veda, and Vaiçampäyana alone became glorified by the Yajur Veda. The Sumantu Muni Aìgirä, who was very devotedly engaged, was entrusted with the Atharva Veda. And my father, Romaharñaëa, was entrusted with the Puräëas and historical record All these learned scholars, in their turn, rendered their entrusted Vedas unto their many disciples, grand-disciples and great grand-disciples, and thus the respective branches of the followers of the Vedas came into being. Çréla Madhväcärya, commenting on the aphorism dåçyate tu (Vedänta-sütra 2.1.6), quotes the Bhaviñya Puräëa as follows: åg-yajuù-sämätharväç ca bhärataà païcarätrakam müla-rämäyaëaà caiva veda ity eva çabditäù puräëäni ca yänéha vaiñëaväni vido viduù svataù-prämäëyam eteñäà nätra kiïcid vicäryate The Åg Veda, Yajur Veda, Säma Veda, Atharva Veda, Mahäbhärata, Païcarätra and original Rämäyaëa are all considered Vedic literature. The Puräëas (such as the Brahma-vaivarta Puräëa, Näradéya Puräëa, Viñëu Puräëa and Bhägavata Puräëa) are especially meant for Vaiñëavas and are also Vedic literature. As such, whatever is stated within the Puräëas, Mahäbhärata and Rämäyaëa is self-evident. There is no need for interpretation. The Bhagavad-gétä is also within the Mahäbhärata; therefore all the statements of the Bhagavad-gétä are self-evident. There is no need for interpretation, and if we do interpret, the entire authority of the Vedic literature is lost. Çréla Madhväcärya, commenting on the aphorism dåçyate tu (Vedänta-sütra 2.1.6), quotes the Bhaviñya Puräëa as follows: åg-yajuù-sämätharväç ca bhärataà païcarätrakam müla-rämäyaëaà caiva veda ity eva çabditäù puräëäni ca yänéha vaiñëaväni vido viduù svataù-prämäëyam eteñäà nätra kiïcid vicäryate The Åg Veda, Yajur Veda, Säma Veda, Atharva Veda, Mahäbhärata, Païcarätra and original Rämäyaëa are all considered Vedic literature. The Puräëas (such as the Brahma-vaivarta Puräëa, Näradéya Puräëa, Viñëu Puräëa and Bhägavata Puräëa) are especially meant for Vaiñëavas and are also Vedic literature. As such, whatever is stated within the Puräëas, Mahäbhärata and Rämäyaëa is self-evident. There is no need for interpretation. The Bhagavad-gétä is also within the Mahäbhärata; therefore all the statements of the Bhagavad-gétä are self-evident. There is no need for interpretation, and if we do interpret, the entire authority of the Vedic literature is lost. TEXTS 4-9 TEXT brähmaà daça sahasräëi pädmaà païcona-ñañöi ca çré-vaiñëavaà trayo-viàçac catur-viàçati çaivakam daçäñöau çré-bhägavataà näradaà païca-viàçati märkaëòaà nava vähnaà ca daça-païca catuù-çatam catur-daça bhaviñyaà syät tathä païca-çatäni ca daçäñöau brahma-vaivartaà laiìgam ekädaçaiva tu catur-viàçati väräham ekäçéti-sahasrakam skändaà çataà tathä caikaà vämanaà daça kértitam kaurmaà sapta-daçäkhyätaà mätsyaà tat tu catur-daça ekona-viàçat sauparëaà brahmäëòaà dvädaçaiva tu evaà puräëa-sandohaç catur-lakña udähåtaù taträñöadaça-sähasraà çré-bhägavataà iñyate The Brahmä Puräëa consists of ten thousand verses, the Padma Puräëa of fifty-five thousand, Çré Viñëu Puräëa of twenty-three thousand, the Çiva Puräëa of twenty-four thousand and Çrémad-Bhägavatam of eighteen thousand. The Närada Puräëa has twenty-five thousand verses, the Märkaëòeya Puräëa nine thousand, the Agni Puräëa fifteen thousand four hundred, the Bhavisya Purana fourteen thousand five hundred, the Brahma-vaivarta Puräëa eighteen thousand and the Liìga Puräëa eleven thousand. The Varäha Puräëa contains twenty-four thousand verses, the Skanda Puräëa eighty-one thousand one hundred, the Vämana Puräëa ten thousand, the Kürma Puräëa seventeen thousand, the Matsya Puräëa fourteen thousand, the Garuòa Puräëa nineteen thousand and the Brahmäëòa Puräëa twelve thousand. Thus the total number of verses in all the Puräëas is four hundred thousand. Eighteen thousand of these, once again, belong to the beautiful Bhägavatam.

Sanskrit — language of spiritual life. Each word of any language can have direct meaning, context, and as maximum expression — poetic mood. The most primitive cultures and languages have only direct sense, in development they have a context, which reflects shades and in complete development can combine in itself all three rules(situations). If the culture means spiritual values, language in this case in the greater degree reflects spiritual principles and on the contrary. Thus it is possible to understand, that on unit of speech in its(her) development it is necessary the greater sense and in an ideal expression or the word combines in itself all three general(common) principles — a direct designation, context of the use and poetic or spiritual mood. Small example of internal essence Sanskrit under the comment of a verse atmarama. In Sanskrit the soul — atma has 7 meanings — the Supreme Absolute True, body, mind(wit), efforts, reliance, reason and nature. The word "muni" designates — great Thought, ascet, serious people, great mistik, wise men and large scientists. Nirgrantha — it is freedom from slavery of illusion, as it specifies those who neglects the instructions; those who has no access to sacred sastra and poor men wishing to grow rich. Bhakti — has 10 meanings. One meaning it sadana bhakti — following to the instructions and 9 it prema bhakti — spontaneous fidelity. Not considering meaning of all other words it is possible to try to understand sense of the following verse àòìàðàìàø ÷à ìóíàéî íèðãðàíòõà àïè óðóêðàìå êóðâàíòèì àõàéòóêè áõàêòèì èòòõàì áõóòà ãóíî õàðèõ. « The Released souls at the end become devoted the Supreme Lord. » Thus the one who understands sense Sanskrit can understand all variety told. The released souls and as great Thought (impersonalist), ascet, serious people, great mysticism, wise men and large scientists, those who are free from slavery of illusion and even those who sometimes neglects the instructions(indications) sastra, poor men wishing riches, in spiritual sense, following many to ways of fidelity are attracted by boundless qualities the Supreme Lord. It certainly in the greater degree a little bit private(individual) translation, the analysis of all meanings(importance) with the comment is the chapter of the book the Doctrine Sri Caytani, and understanding of all depth in a combination of all meanings(importance) I think it is quite possible to write the book of average volume! The basic poetic mood of a verse combines in itself mood of comprehension brahman, greatness of soul, power the Supreme Lord, passing in fidelity. Only one understanding of fidelity has 10 basic internal senses. But as to in the whole words, accessible to us, Sanskrit the designating categories of spiritual life that them have a lot of. For example simple faith it - sraddha, steady faith it nistha, faith filled by spiritual emotions it bhava, the spiritual mood is race, spiritual taste it ruci, mature spiritual life it sthai-bhava, and top of love to the God — it prema. But even prema has the set of shades is premananda it is boundless love to the God, prema maya - ekstatik love, premamrita, premarasa, premarupa ...... Thus quantity(amount) of the terms and designations of shades of fidelity of hundred, in a combination of several words them to become already thousand, in contexts of their thousand thousand and the love to the God in itself is real is boundless in unlimited quantity of moods. Sanskrit it is language of maximum planets. In tehnology cultures some moods are totaled in best a case and in the developed sense they concern to usual love, beauty of a nature, harmony the world and as to various nearby attributes. As there are moods buddism — paradoxical poetry based on impersonal perception. It would be desirable as to tell that ateism and tehnology make primitive the man. In the modern world the people basically live under the standard a body of emotions, replacing them shortage of dialogue. The pragmatism inherent to the material world results in primitiveness of intelligence of the man, which basic idea is the acknowledgement(confirmation) top in an individual role or in community. In the most widespread kind all set and the spectrum of emotions is shown basically in the household attitudes. Were on such level, the people begin to perceive the spiritual world approximately in similar approach, and the spiritual culture is perceived basically as a level of personal happiness. Certainly, the indefatigable intellectual search expands this picture, search both at a little to level of knowledge, and at a level of culture gives as writes Srila Prabhupada small hopes for spiritual progress. Sanskrit as reflects structure of the world. He contains the description of maximum planets — svargaloka, average and lowest planets. He describes the inhabitants of paradise, various forms of human essences, spirits and set of the forms of fauna. Sanskrit as comprises set of units of measurements of space and time. Time units down to atom of time. Units of space and unit of movement of planets. It only small part of the description Sanskrit. Therefore it is easy to understand that Sanskrit comprises very large of an opportunity, which in the certain degree do not depend in any way on external attributes. And his(its) maximum display is in sphere of spiritual life. Though certainly even the simple alphabet Sanskrit is the perfect combination. Devanagari — Language Spiritual world and demigods. One of responses of the russian linguist O. Boyko. « Sanskrit causes admiration even at superficial acquaintance. It in a maximum degree logical, expressive and beautiful language. As literary language he perfection. Long before the Europeans and Chinese, Indian grammar have developed an exact phonetic and grammatic terminology. Ancient grammar Sanskrit do not concede on accuracy modern theoretical grammar. Sanskrit the modern scientist practically had not to reconstruct, because he has reached in the perfect kind. » kailasa.

>At any rate..why sabrina King, Animesh? And not princess or queen? Easily. I have no gift for creating brilliant screen names. That is my married name. And I thought queen.

>Satyaraj: Yes, you are quite right! This connection is merely emotional. That's to say, caused by material mind and its primitive attachments. No one of you could support the thesis of His Divine Grace's great contribution for the welfare of the humankind. Instead of it, it is clear that His Divine Grace kindly came to put some more fuel to the fire of the religious conflict among people. New name-calling expressions such as rascals, karmis, demons, atheists, to term the non-followers of his sect is all that we got. It you with Shvu do of anxiety on an empty place. The girl has asked slightly about hinduism and you Have rushed in talk and from the chronic dissatisfaction began in next time to wear(defame), to paste shortcuts and all remaining. Has not bothered still? What there vedanta, looks how many garbage from YOU a two Takes off. Transcendentalist. C Transcendental by vision.

>JRdd on a vnn forum Forgive me, whether somebody will write the address of this forum?

SECRET of BIRTH PURE DEVOTEE " How we shall name the boy? - the father - Adolf has asked? Mefistofel? " In parent heart the love - "Prahlad" - has woken up has flashed in mind(wit). " Let's name him Prahlad " - she has told. "Prahlad? " - the father - Strange name and has thought where I already heard him? " The Parents were without mind(wit) from the child. At date of birth were have presented a ski, sports yaguar and hundred thousand in hard currency. The child grows clever, skilfully broke the computer, were afraid the powerful father, the teacher obligingly put Prahlad in all subjects not below is excellent. Has passed childhood. Prahlad finds the book in a dust ÷åðäàêà - " Bhagavad Gita ". Nothing foretold thunder-storms. " Word about the God! - in anger the father - space and genetics has told! The future of mankind! " " Yes the daddy " - is restrained has answered Prahlad. In one week he has left from a train at unknown station. "Urupinsk" - the drunk passer - by has answered. The inhabitants Urupinsk were good-natured and up to dullness is simple. Trusted by all heart in the God, which, as they have told, anybody and never saw. The church holidays marked usually by all amicable family on a cemetery is it seemed strange, but Prahlad did not despond. " It is necessary to give them the books - he thought - though 12 chapter should they understand? " The Inhabitants Urupinsk smiled in the answer, regularly carried out(spent) ritual on a cemetery, worked on the governor, the books bought seldom. " Nigilism what - whether to sow? " - thought out Prahlad. The inhabitants listened to him attentively, but century religion was more dear - TV set, iron and cemetery. Nothing foretold thunder-storms. "VARNASRAMA" - the bright inscription by mystical image has arisen on a wall. Thirty years have passed. The technology has failed, having left charcoal memoirs, the father has died from insult transformed in a heart attack with metastaza of a skull. The small community devotee peacefully was floating on current of time. The commission on struggle for cleanliness varnasram was headed by(with) the former governor. The assembly of a commission was delayed. " Prahlad does not understand historical importance varnasram - governor, not blinking looking on become silent believer slowly has told. " Certainly he has made much, him by idea and we live here, but the order should be in all that will tell the people? Our people is not silly, what duties at Prahlad? " Believer is oppressed who looked in a floor who on shining tilak of the former governor. " The Laws Manu! Sacred sacred! The institute asram, dedication of sacred fruits of work " - with a menacing kind was listed by(with) the boss - " And as is told: and bread the man is uniform, to work, to work and to work...... Prahlad does not work, it is necessary to arrange. " Prahlad the second night slept in a shed under local arrest. Having woken up he has groped in darkness are precise - " Well though are precise have not taken away " - he has thought. To run away was easily, but the shed quite suited him. A rain in the street began, in the sky has struck a thunder and through in holes a roof the apple - " Well has fallen when the God with you " - has thought Prahlad.

THE DEMONS WILL SPEND SUMMIT Pure devotee, widely smiling, reflecting unearthly light of the books about the Supreme Person of the God, confidently moved among grey crowd of selectors personal healthes. Making magic tantra- " it hinduism ", he passed all the unit-posts of a society of general prestige. Again and again offering the books devotee Was immersed in light of Supersoul, which biessed him from each foreseeable atom. Using one nothing the limited spiritual power, pure devotee free invited the caused souls of all categories back to the God. " Let they will take these books he thought. The god not the old man also does not work " - he has told to a saleswoman of pies, stretching her The visiting card of club " of the Public -useful programs "...... Next summit was delayed - " we do not know, how these books - slowly work the governor - has told And the people does not read them and all lacks is printed regularly, at us in Urupinsk, only one active distributor " - assembly is self-satisfied smile. " It is necessary to remain the people, our people is not silly, with us and Native land and tradition, the people will understand, check up him on moral conformity. " " Why they so worry - reflected pure devotee - they we advertise a soap, spiritual life, as about democracy. " This day the cunningly ten books. Nothing foretold thunder-storms. Pure devotee peacefully eat the offered apple, spontaneously thinking about All able of the Person of the God. Him have put in prison. The morning, prison To wake up began. " Hare Krisna, Hare Krisna " - was heard from the different parties settlement. Testing love to the God devoted thought as though to him to be transferred to other zone. " It is necessary there, where do not know about Krisna ". The rain began and in the sky has struck a thunder - in far Urupinsk light has died out.

BATTLE With the SATAN Spirit demoniac was spread on a planet. Violence, narcotics, the slaughterhouses and heavy industry became a habitual background of life. The fools incidentally have deleted the scientists, having magnified a general degradation, part of a nature, out of unhealthy curiosity they continued " to research" the world device. Everywhere there were wars. The unreasonable souls were bought up for small convenience and large promisings. The TV set strongly has come in consciousness of the people drawing the distorted pictures last, present and future. Blindly trusting in happy tomorrow, the mankind was promptly rolled in hell. Unreasonably about approaching perils, where - that in a corner of scale violence of a devil, is weak protested group of the intellectuals. Having realized, that all channels of the sermon are superimposed (except for the books certainly), pure devotee has decided directly to battle to an enemy. Having deleted some demons on a road devotee moved directly to center of free life of demons. All became more gloomy. Residences demons lighted by shining hydrogen sulphite, strongly stood on scorched to ground. Everywhere lied bones. The nuclear mushrooms mounted from polygons chemists. On the right and to the left of a road there were bottomless gorges. Some ugly princes of darkness, slowly moved on the horses of death. Light became ever less, in air the discharges have appeared. The flight of huge crows, silently flied to the beginning of the next catastrophe. In a grey sky began to appear outlines of a huge crypt. He was guarded by(with) herd of the man-pigs, their muddy eyes mirrored infinite vacuum. Feeling danger of a situation, the demon has taken the form of a huge insect. Not spending precious time for admonitions, pure devotee has prepared sword, as always with him accompanied determination, fearlessness and possession of feelings. Pure devotee has shot first mantra. Mantra flied precisely to the purpose, but the giant, using sins of mankind, has dispersed a sound of military weapon. Fast moving in space, permanently changing the sizes, form and colour, the demon has created two hundred fifty millions wild dogs. Releasing waves of horror, the dogs rushed from different directions of horizon. In meditation on the disk Sudarsana, devotee has issued an arrow of ascetism satva-guna, having deleted dogs and having paralysed a demon. Having thrown a useless body, the demon has accepted the molecular size. Lighting path by glowing brahman, devotee moved with speed of thought on channels of the nuclear world. The artful demon has tried to hide, having spread everywhere concept world of a brotherhood. " We Know your love " - has told devotee, continuing prosecution. The charter from prosecution, satan has taken the form of the perfect girl and has mixed up with crowd. Having doubled number of the patients by AIDS, satan has come in alkoglic and has gone to the nearest restaurant. In turn acting as great scientific, intellectual, and patriot, he has resulted in chaos a world social system and at the end of the action has taken root into one prestigious and conventional religion. Again and again attacking devotee, being covered full illiteracy of the people he tried to destroy motion from within and outside. Devotee began to lose patience and were silent beat off arguments of the opponent. Pure devotee began gradually to reach the purpose. Feeling the close end, the mad demon, be twisted and damning the creator, began to make asketic, under a kind of religious life. In an indivisible instant devoted has found out principled mismatch and sword of knowledge and retracting, has demolished a head ancient snake. A head was rolled on installed, giving rise new wars and catastrophes. The inhabitants of paradise monitored a course of battle. Having seen falling of the Satan in a hell, all world is joy has begun to shine.