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Sects on my sight, it is loss of essence and emphasis on what that one, giving out it for essence. To system or diksa or race and so on. Bhagavatam describes the basic kinds of fidelity. It is possible to discuss philosophy or race, it, not touching the person. If the person mature, anywhere at it(her) will not be of problems, and from a dirty(dirt) she(it) will take gold not having soiled. Not religion is dangerous, the material life is dangerous. My respect. What devoted could start to it(him) that is necessary to be fixed at first on what one place, then, it is possible to understand some. If the purpose clearing, equally concerning to everything, devoted can move there. Having reached(achieved) tops devoted tries on the present to help anothers. But it is possible simply to work under a management(manual) and as the purpose will be achieved gradually. If guru kanistha (Can be), all the same all goes. In the material world the ideal system and activity is not possible(probable). Without system this device in a nature and spiritual life is absolutely not possible. The form always has it not essence, but essence the form, whether the truth?

Sanskrit: Dash - ten Russian: Desyat Sanskrit: Pita - father Russian: Papa Sanskrit: Pad- foot Russian: Padat- to fall (on ground), or downwards (Patala?) Sanskrit: Sanah - senile Russian: Starik(h) But there are things which hardly it is possible to find in the books for example In Byelorussian vedat, means to know, compare veda. Is Russian veda, it was found by(with) the rather ancient books, I to tell the truth was not interested in it, I know God it Krisen. Rada a known name some time ago in Russian there is spoken that, but in Ukrainian and is now used, on Russian it means, that that brings happiness (radost), Gaya- Russian name, Maya there is also such. One devoted having got acquainted with movement has gone to go nevertheless in restaurant, good day , has seen the girl, has decided(solved) to get acquainted. And how you call? -"Maya", she(it) has answered. There is a river - Kama (very wide and with fast current). The president on reception (Putin) have offered alcohol, it(he) has refused and smiling tell(have an effect) (I krisnait) .Hi still beginner. Next time I hope already will tell what that of Bhagavatam? Till Russian meat (maso), on Sanskrit mam so- (if not I am mistaken) today you, tomorrow you me. In Russian veda as are submitted all basic demigods with similar names. >Sorry, Kailasa its been too many years for me to communicate with you in Russian . Not all is lost, similar sanskrit can decide(solve) this problem.

Sanskrit: Dash - ten Russian: Desyat Sanskrit: Pita - father Russian: Papa Sanskrit: Pad- foot Russian: Padat- to fall (on ground), or downwards (Patala?) Sanskrit: Sanah - senile Russian: Starik(h) But there are things which hardly it is possible to find in the books for example In Byelorussian vedat, means to know, compare veda. Is Russian veda, it was found by(with) the rather ancient books, I to tell the truth was not interested in it, I know God it Krisen. Rada a known name some time ago in Russian there is spoken that, but in Ukrainian and is now used, on Russian it means, that that brings happiness (radost), Gaya- Russian name, Maya there is also such. One devoted having got acquainted with movement has gone to go nevertheless in restaurant, good day , has seen the girl, has decided(solved) to get acquainted. And how you call? -"Maya", she(it) has answered. There is a river - Kama (very wide and with fast current). The president on reception (Putin) have offered alcohol, it(he) has refused and smiling tell(have an effect) (I krisnait) .Hi still beginner. Next time I hope already will tell what that of Bhagavatam? Till Russian meat (maso), on Sanskrit mam so- (if not I am mistaken) today you, tomorrow you me. In Russian veda as are submitted all basic demigods with similar names. >Sorry, Kailasa its been too many years for me to communicate with you in Russian . Not all is lost, similar sanskrit can decide(solve) this problem.

Though my question not about it, but let will be so. I saw filming last days, all is obvious. They search for the answer, answer, well the variant of the answer is good. What for letter that to clean(remove)? > Their very existence is not connected to prarabda karma - for they have descended here for our benefit. It means what work the disiples could only? In any case of a thank. kailasa.

Is guilty, I wanted to ask why this question have cleaned(removed) with Dharma mela?

Hare Krisna! Has read your message on a poisoning. The understandable business is work American KGB (I do not know as at you refers to as). It was done(made) not by(with) the diciples. Though for Prabhupad it is the diciples and for him(it) they also remain by them, whether it seems to you what so? It was done(made) under the order by(with) the agents of a service. In the other case would kill them. Now they want new scandal what to reach(achieve) success in work. He(it) did not have output(exit) and the new scandal nothing will improve. Prabhupad of saws a poison, How you think if to begin wide trial, whether that is a poison for Prabhupad ? Yours faithfully, kailasa.

Hare Krisna sushil_kanoria! Good example. When Kumara came to a gate of the spiritual world, them there and have not let. They thought that of anger is not possible(probable) there.

Õàðå Êðèøíà Satyaraja dasa! >In our sampradaya the initial sadhana prescribed for kanistha-adhikaris (neophyle practitioners) is offering the results of one's fruitive activities to Bhagavan (karmarpanam). However, the principal practice is established as suddha-bhakti, or bhagavat-parama-prasad sadhana, as stated by all of our acaryas. It is internal process, who that can offer fruits in a level karmarpanam, who does(makes) that externally same from a level bhagavat-parama-prasad sadhana. >Srila C Bhaktivedanta Swami Goswami had the responsibility in maintenance bhakti to Western countries in the special form, which was not, never saw before in it kalpa. It(he) has given a completely standard method for everything, in anything not distinguished from previous acaria. > Obviously, most of his followers would be at the kanistha platform of practices and therefore were not qualified to do anything else than karmarpanam. Already many for a long time have advanced. >No one would blame the acarya if his kanistha disciples were only qualified to do karmarpanam and if some of them could not do even that kind of karma-misra-bhakti. So much people speak Bhava, Prema and not knowing. >No one should blame him if his disciples had commit so many misdeeds in the name of bhakti or in sake of imagining to follow his instructions. Now there are a lot of criminals, all society(community) criminals, who here is pure(clean)?, do not make laugh. They cut the cows and all with a clever kind are present thus, 200 millions abortions per one year at the world, you offer to issue the next religion consecrating Hiranyacsipu? It I about that that the part of these sins lays on the so-called cultural people correctly eating and socially arranged. Certainly on ÈÑÊÊÎÍ beat from different directions, it is important to them to find object On which background they would be looked " by the decent people ". >In all of his books and lectures, Srila A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Goswami has stressed the importance of sadhu-sanga and the paramount importance in hearing from real sadhus. Sadhus sees as all spiritually, instead of as all financially. It(he) does not preach those neophit, these kanistha hinting the thank is restrained on itself. >Unfortunately some of his kanistha followers had achieved the wrong conclusion that they were already sadhus, uttama-maha-bhagavatas and therefore I never heard such. >they were fully competent to became gurus Guru it madhyama, basically. >They despised the association with senior vaisnavas and had rejected hearing from them. They did(made) mistakes and the part from them for a long time is already corrected. And one grown-up vaisnava has expressed in the attitude(relation) Prabhupada Among other things, what here to do(make). With many diciples it vaisnava I any more do not want and to talk, as from ALL I hear same, it at all their words, forgive me. A standard set. Reflect on it. What the truth means moksa?, moksa it in the certain body, on the certain planet, in the certain attitudes(relations), whether? I not against they can that that achieve, But it is not similar to pure(clean) fidelity on VERY many things. > The result was that they could not make any advancement in bhakti and all of their activities remained at the platform of karma-misra-bhakti. These applications are deprived the bases, I already wrote to you it. It is pleasant to me Sarasvati Math and Diciples Puri Maharadja, we actively cooperate. >Gosalas, gurukulas, farms, book distribution, new temples, varnasrama and so on are not limbs of bhakti; these are karmic activities that one would offer its results to Sri Bhagavan in the karmarpanam stage of practice. It is a question of consciousness instead of external activity. But as the majority of the people is concerned financially " with a high-grade feed(meal) ", therefore varnasrama and is necessary. On maximum planets is submitted varnasrama , what here people over demigods? You can To put bricks in prema, and can speak by day about prema not knowing that this such. ÎÊ? >Avoiding this kind of association one should only have impure bhakti Vaisnava do not die. Where receive dialogue yours vaisnavas? There it(he) is received also by(with) ours vaisnavas. > puja That that not seen by(with) I puja, where puja? It is stamps completely far from life, well there is a little property at ÈÑÊÊÎÍ, who there to it(her) enjoys? In the beginning pair of fools was taken by(with) money, these people is constant by all are concerned. Srila A C Bhaktivedanta Swami was not similar to them, at him(it) Was not of the suitable candidates for sanyas, sanyas per 20 years!, even when Lord Chaitanya accepted sanyas many have expressed anxiety concerning its(her) success. >Srila A C Bhaktivedanta Swami's books and lectures are full of instructions of sudha-bhakti. Yes. Thank to you. >" The superior quality of devotional service to Krsna is to act favorably for the Personality of Godheat. This means that the service must not be covered by the path of the monists, fruitive workers or desires other than devotional service. " (Translated by Srila Bhaktivedanta A C Swami Goswami) You can apply this verse to any organization. To what there are a lot of anxieties? Suddha vaisnava sees as all develops by the plan the God. If it suddha . >Without sadhu-sanga there is no possibility to access paramartika platform, where no material gunas are present (nirguna-bhakti). Bhakti will be always polluted and a fake. Its results will be moksa, not prema-bhakti. I shall tell honourly anything behind it except for the names I do not see. >Following this path, Iskconers would meet all the mayavadis that they always combat at the end of their route. I former mayavady.

>Although the kid would derive some limited benefit in learning some basic things, it would not be worth the involvement with the undesirables he might be exposed to. Also, he might actually be in some real physical danger, based on numerous reports over the years. If he/she were a strong enough individual, then there would be less risk, however cultish brainwashing could take its toll. I vote nay! At you here votings. Though you have received boundless benefit in study of all basic things. Nevertheless it has not made you all seeing, why that. What that sivu has ceased to write to me on a box, at you here similar secret society(community)? Advice(council) decides(solves) of destiny of the people, operating the world. Adequately.

Lord Caitanya also is embodied mahabhava (Radharani), Lord Caitanya is Krsna in mood Radharani. Nevertheless Lord Caitanya is more absorbed Krsna, though it is difficult about it to speak. The purpose Krsna, but through a society(community) Radharani.

>But mayavadis are also preaching! They are considered sadhus by most of the people, they are doing a lot of book distribution all over the world, they have nice farms, excellent asramas, so many temples, gurukulas, high- schools, colleges, universities, they are spreading harinama, distributing prasada, and so on. They praise bhakti and tell to all people to practice bhakti as they do! And all? Is not present it yet everything, they even more cultural and decent(considerable) people. >So, why are they to be consider as mayavadis? Philosophy at them such, they by the way also do not distinguish, all spiritually, on mahabhagavata even is very similar. >Their sadhana (effort to self realization) is to attain Sri Krsna, they want to be united with God, they are very pious and spend all day studding sastras, doing puja, chanting harinama, and so on. There are so many missions of mayavadis with a lot of success, much more then ours. And thus do not receive practically any of progress, " mayavady aparadhe ". Now all world it mayavady, why by him(it) to not prosper? 1) In institutions like Iskcon sad-sadhus are not allowed to be heard. 2) There in only one bhakti formula: bhakti = sadhu-sanga. Sadhu can be in institute and outside of it(him). Sadhu it not Shvarcnegger On public. this statement (1) has of any basis. Well who on yours sadhus, where I should go?

> but NOT the BRAINWASHING Fanatism and RITUALISM of SANTARASA SPECULATORS! Where yours PREMA , dear? Similar you have reached(achieved) mathuria having passed infernal Neutral race, you should write the books on this subject, the history of such examples does not know. That that is hardly trusted in ' UJJVALA PREMA ', > but NOT the BRAINWASHING Fanatism and RITUALISM of SANTARASA SPECULATORS! Hunt for witches in the form ' UJJVALA PREMA ', To dasa dasanudasa Satyaraja dasa > there is no living guru manifested. What it would mean? Where to find alive guru? ÈÑÊÊÎÍ it is a sect tightening(delaying) in the network of the unfortunate people, but true that in the other place!?? I have admitted(allowed) a mistake and Now there is a good moment her(it) to correct. Where to set off in ' UJJVALA PREMA?, flight in PREMA and then the search of the fanatics? is terrible. To live to one criticizing all in succession, it is indecent as that. About! MAYAVADIS! All is brahman! All fools in quality and sects, I soul, I supersoul, I all - last, present, future, All is uniform and to think it is not necessary much. Not bad.............. Uncle has told there is no at you guru, wrong guru, wrong purpose and living so I never! I never shall reach(achieve) nothing. Probably it(he) knows the truth, it would be necessary to ask, Well and where? Whether I can remaining there where I is to reach(achieve) the spiritual purpose? Or at first it is necessary to leave awful ÈÑÊÊÎÍ? With the washed out brains, not accepting anybody except for the exclusive opinion, living in an environment of the fanatics, what that of the awful persons. At you is not present PREMA , PREMA here, there, only not in ÈÑÊÊÎÍ! I agree even on bhava, me will suffice and what it at you is? How sivu by the plan? To Gauracandra Last years I have estimated in practice how many freedom I has received in ÈÑÊÊÎÍ, that who that will help me though than that, I doubt. We too live quietly here and there is no ransacking in searches "perfection,"....And most likely and not of perfection even.

Mine English! The grandmother spoke me.... It not I it Magic Goddy. Is guilty. Actually I feel set of good feelings even from those with whom I argue, here there are a lot of raised souls, I speak it completely seriously. What to speak about your wish Peter! For me Radharany it Lord Caytanya, I see as he goes on Navadvipa. before I worshipped Krisna, but to serve Krisna very hardly, and to worship Radharany at me have beaten off desire some devoted here in Russia. If I shall worship Lord Caytanya? Having seen Radharani as Lord Caytanya, devoted ceases to care of itself, it(he) simply goes a trace in a trace where his(its) God has set off. How I shall leave Sri Caytanya? For me it is final item.

It is very kind of you to show such care about ÈÑÊÊÎÍ sivu, by your prays ÈÑÊÊÎÍ will reach(achieve) spiritual prosperity. ÈÑÊÊÎÍ it is not good and not poorly, it transcendent.

Goloka protect ten guards in ten directions.

Interestingly, to what there are a lot of descriptions VAIDHIBHAKTI Sanatana Gosvami?

Hinduism establishes resettlement of soul, that the "eternal soul " proves to be true as and in Bibly , means there is no birth and death, eternal means there is no beginning and there is no end. And the instructions same - Love the God, do not kill, do not steal, it means in maximum sense that all belongs to the God and we should be grateful to it(him), If we feel rise in spiritual life, it is heavy so to follow us not to the instructions. Vedas describe as the material world is arranged, lowest planets, Paradise, as it(he) is created and is destroyed, who operates elementss, there is a description even of atom of time. As many descriptions of the most interesting and significant histories of this world are resulted. The spiritual world is described also. There is a set of planets in the material world about which it is not known and outside this world there is a spiritual world, which is boundless and in which all is constructed on the raised attitudes(relations). There are philosophical sections vedas, is only practical. Sciences on medicine, architecture, politics.... It is possible to tell that vedas describe practically all for all categories of the people, therefore sometimes it forces down with sense. But the bases of spiritual life are described in Bhagavad Gita, which is similar Bibly at the christians and consists of 700 verses, Told 5000 years back. And in the whole spiritual life the , is possible conditionally to break on a category -gyana yoga way of knowledge , dhyana yoga a way of meditation, karma yoga - way of positive activity and bhakty yoga is a way of fidelity the God. It as a whole, if you are interested that by(with) that concrete, can be I or who that of devoted will try to answer to you. A thank, kailasa.

Guru Maharadj has told very clearly, that, when we are in a low rule(situation), Smarana is pernicious — we should to devote itself Kirtana. Êèðòòàíà ïðàáõàâå, ñìàðàíà õàèáå ñå êàëå áõàäæàíà íèðäæäæàíà ñàìáõàâà. The school Sahadjiya has more as desirable Smarana , rather than Kirtana. They "adherents" Smarana . They conduct "renunciation" life and in mind(wit) identify itself with certain(determined) sakhi such — that of age having such duties, such place of service in Vrindavan, in certain(determined) lila, under the direction of such sakhi etc. by Similar meditation by him(it) order to be engaged their so-called guru. The practice of school Sahadjiya is those, but we deny similar practice. We consider(count) all this false and invented. They do not suit that world. They do not have present sambandha-gyana, knowledge that is that. Them "Smarana " consists in habitual recurrence of the certain fabrications, but she(it) can not result to anartha-nivritti, î÷èùåíèþ from materialistik of consciousness, in any other real result supposing anartha-nivritti. Their imagined achievements — the perfect delirium. They do not know a real rule(situation) of things: Gradual gradation from Viradji to Brahmaloka, Vaikuntha and Goloka. They ïóêóðà-÷óðèwàëå — " the thieves of a pond ". To think, that to me on forces to steal a pond, — cleanest(purest) self-deception. We believe, that such "Smarana " there is something like self-deception. On óòõèéà áðèêøîïàðè, òàíàòàíè ïõàëà äõàðè äóøòà-ïõàëà êàðèëå àðäæäæàí Bhaktivinoda Thakur speaks, what, if someone wants fruit, but to trouble itself, to get on a tree, it(him) a reluctance, for what fruit it(he) can expect? Either on broken, or on rotten. Without gradual and correct movement forward all will be game of imagination — as feats full. It is required consistently to reach(achieve) the world of true, suddha-sattva. And on ways it is necessary to cross set of levels of life: Bhur-, Bhuvar-, Svar-, Mahar-, Janar-, Tapar-, Satya-loka, Viradja, Brahmalocu. Mahaprabhu speaks, that Bhakti grows and rises up to Goloki, passing all these plans of life. óïàäæèéà áàäå ëàòà áðàõìàíäàáõåäèäæàé áèðàäæà, áðàõìàëîêàáõåäè ïàðàáéîìà ïàé òàáå äæàé òàäóïàðè ãîëîêà-áðèíäàáàí êðèøíà-÷àðàíà -êàëïàáðèêøå êàðå àðîõàí

Neutral race Goloki in maximum sense all same mathuria, but without the direct attitudes(relations). The neutral attitudes(relations) are all races, but without direct participation. Precisely just as mathuria this combination of all attitudes(relations), therefore to speak about the superiority of one of them it is possible, but not from the usual point of view. Not everyone in ÈÑÊÊÎÍ receives brahman dedication, at least in Russian ÈÑÊÊÎÍ it is exact so. > "brahmana" -women leave their husbands, have children from different men What all so continuously act? Well and äåëà!!! In kali to all sudras -êàëàó øóäðà ñàìáõàâàõ, therefore birth nothing can define(determine). There are many places in sastra where is spoken, that the one who is devoted Lord Visnu above than brahman , But there are also those who not being brahman , carry a cord. As a rule all this well understand and at us at least it has no any force. All well understand materialistik Varnasrama and do not speak about her(it) spirit. > 14) Deviating from the sastras a) Is often apologised for with the argument: " Yes, Prabhupada/Bhaktisiddhanta was a pure devotee, therefore he was empowered to introduce new injunctions. " If that is so, then everyone can say the same of their gurus, including the followers of Jayatirtha, who introduced the use of hashish and LSD as a 'sadhana'. A genuine pure devotee will surrender to the sastras. Praphupada\Bhaktivedanta Svami is specified in sastra, what problems? It is interesting if to result the link, if the man does not want, it(he) will find thousand reasons, justifying, and Itself the God by anything to it(him) help can not. > 15) Vaisnava ninda - Even if there were any kind of parampara in Gaudiya Math/Iskcon, their initiation must still be rejected on the basis of their systematic and collective slander of the Vaisnavas, with most of whom they are not even acquainted. Sri Jiva Gosvami quotes Narada Pañcaratra in Paragraph 238 of Bhakti-sandarbha: You seem to me too generalize. > If an instruction of Sri Gurudeva is contrary to the sastras, then association with such a guru should be given up I am not ready to speak now about colours dhoti (if everyone will dress white, it and will be true parampara?). 1) Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati has received initiation from Gaurakisora. It(he) has received sanias from another guru, in any case you do not have any other positive certificates, to assume everything is possible. 5) It(he) has received Nrisimha mantra because His(its) mission was what to begin the sermon. For example Bhaktivedanta did not give Nrisimha mantra , but after the direct opposition of the various people began, it(he) has entered prays Lord Nrisimha . 8) Tilaka this place where there are various expansion Visnu. 9) It is important not in what order the images, and something another cost(stand). 11) Îòðå÷åí that who executes a duty and does not light fire. BG. There are much guru at which at all not many Diciples, here you have a lot of stamps. > Then everyone has caught two, everyone flies in one impact - has glorified Radhakunda Vaisnavas and at the same time to store(keep) the machine of money vertical. About now and I began to understand. Dear friend! Really! You do not understand that in organization many people and among them is different??? As on this site. From thousand people aspiring to perfection.........From thousand one, from two thousand two. From hundred thousand hundred turn out. It only those who aspires to perfection!!! And from thousand reached(achieved)!!! perfection, hardly probable one was learnt by(with) the God. To yours will listen, and God is not present, the supersoul is not present. The fidelity it is not cheap, in organization without organization. The god supervises all, sometimes any dust proceeds from us, sometimes it is an attribute of fall sometimes absolutely and not so. If we want to understand or to help, this one business. Envy the strongest pollution, not come true hopes deepest pollution.

Hare Krisna sushil_kanoria! Thank for correction. There are many people, which actually nothing interests, besides that coincides from them today by interests. jayasriradhey ...but We(??) are just putting the facts in front of all of you. It I and sushil_kanoria, and not only. Why to you to not begin to worship Siva not doing(making) distinctions? You not such fanatic as I. shvu I completely agree with you, it is an example absolutely for unreasonable. But so on fingers it is possible to show the one who can not give reason from sastra. >It is getting better and better. One of attributes satva-guna - man becomes joyful.

Is always glad to serve to you. Look as ÈÑÊÊÎÍ quickly you has united. The spiritual communication(connection) was showed at last that.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada that acaria on all kali yugu, His(its) books will be a management(manual) for 10000 years and they not for beginning. Gaudiya-vaisnava Follow in the steps Lord Caitanya and top of race is the mood of separation. All kinds of races are submitted in the books Prabhupada, allocation of one mood Also is activity of a sect. Mahabhagavata devoted is described in the comments on BG, therefore we well imagine everything, as to this subject. Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada was not glad and who is happy when or began to reason concerning rasa - " they have become overripe in sahadjii, let in the beginning will understand lila Prahlada ". You have sufferred a defeat from shivu, because do not know simple things what to speak about more raised? The fidelity develops gradually from the lowest steps to maximum, it is asserted(approved) by(with) all authorities. " Nobody comes to me passing santa race, in øàíòà to race devoted realizes successfully all attitudes(relations). There is no difference between a kiss Krisna and games three Visnu. B ÈÑÊÊÎÍ much qualified devoted, but neophit were always glorified by that that considered(counted) itself above others, it ýêçàëüòèðîâàííîå vision neophit. AC Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupad nitya-siddha and His(its) name, mission and the qualities are described in one of Puranas and in one sacred ïèñàíèè. In ÈÑÊÊÎÍ there are a lot of people and quantity(amount) of the casual people therefore as large. You assert(approve) what you are qualified in rasa? In any case you should not do(make) the applications about apa, sect and mission Prabhupada. All yours ýçîòåðèêà will be scattered in rasa bhase, as soon as you will begin to write from itself, to whom is necessary gyana? Show vigyana having opened understanding of intermediate steps bhakti yogy. In what on yours tatva, about what does not guess ÈÑÊÊÎÍ? Do not overestimate itself and underestimate others. Try to not get in a category apa, of time you have undertaken whom that to judge. Thank for a question Shivu.

Prabhupada it Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati? Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati has told to preach in the countries of West. He wanted to see organization. Why are not connected with Gaudiya Math? Very well Are connected, but what all this to understand, is necessary to be inside.

>Rama & Krishna are Poorna avatars of Lord Narayana. Whether you like it or not you have to accept that Lord Narayana is the Ultimate God. No living entity, including Brahma, Lord Siva, or Narayana, can possess opulences as fully as Krisna. >Once there was a question about why Matysa, Kurma and Varaha also being Avatars were not worshipped on the scale of Rama. The answer was a fish, tortoise and a boar are simply not as interesting as Rama. The incarnations of Rama and Dhanvantari displayed His fame, and Balarama, Mohini and Vamana exhibited His beauty. Dattatreya, Matsya, Kumara and Kapila exhibited His transcendental knowledge. Nara and Narayana Åñis exhibited His renunciation. So all the different incarnations of the Lord indirectly or directly manifested different features, but Lord Krisna, the primeval Lord, exhibited the complete features of Godhead, and thus it is confirmed that He is the source of all other incarnations. >Similarly Krishna being the most heroic and dashing of all the avatars of Vishnu, became the most popular. Anyone who thinks that God and the demigods are on the same level is called an atheist, or päñaëòé. Even the great demigods like Brahma and Siva cannot be compared to the Supreme Lord. In fact, the Lord is worshiped by demigods such as Brahmä and Siva (çiva-viriïci-nutam). Yet curiously enough there are many human leaders who are worshiped by foolish men under the misunderstanding of anthropomorphism or zoomorphism. Iha devatäù denotes a powerful man or demigod of this material world. But Narayana, Visnu, or Krisna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, does not belong to this world. He is above, or transcendental to, material creation. Even Sripada Sankaracarya, the leader of the impersonalists, maintains that Narayana, or Krisna, is beyond this material creation. However, ......... people (håta-jïäna) worship the demigods because they want immediate results. > So much that some people have been led to believe that worshipping Vishnu will not fetch the same results as worshipping Krishna. One name Krisna is equal 1000 names Visnu. >I must also add that the Sad-Vaishnavas [Madhva] do not have the concept of Krishna is the source of all avatars. Srila Madhvacarya says: vividhaà bhäva-pätratvät sarve viñëor vibhütayaù. Krisna is the original Personality of Godhead (krisnas tu bhagavän svayam). All the other incarnations proceed from Lord Visnu. Even Lord Siva affirms that liberation can be achieved only by the mercy of Visnu. Lord Siva says, mukti-pradätä sarveñäà viñëur eva na saàçayaù: “There is no doubt that Visnu is the deliverer of liberation for everyone.” Bg 7.15 > Let alone Shiva, even Narayana and Vishnu are considered as extensions of Krishna! I can safely say that such a statement has no support from any Vedic text and also the Puranas. Skanda Puräëa: kåñëa-kämäs tadä gopyas tyaktvä dehaà divaà gatäù samyak kåñëaà para-brahma jïätvä kälät paraà yayuù “At that time the gopés, who desired Kåñëa, gave up their bodies and went to the spiritual world. Because they properly understood Kåñëa to be the Supreme Absolute Truth, they transcended the influence of time.” It is said in the same Vedas, brahmaëyo devaké-putraù: “The son of Devaké, Krisna, is the Supreme Personality.” (Näräyaëa Upaniñad 4) In the Mokña-dharma Krisna also says, prajäpatià ca rudraà cäpy aham eva såjämi vai tau hi mäà na vijänéto mama mäyä-vimohitau “The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy.” Lord Siva is not an ordinary living being. He is the plenary portion of the Lord, but because Lord Siva is in direct touch with material nature, he is not exactly in the same transcendental position as Lord Viñëu. There are many yogeçvaras having different proficiencies in these wonderful powers, and the topmost of all of them is Lord Çiva. Lord Çiva is the greatest yogé, and he can perform such wonderful things, far beyond the ordinary living beings. All the controlling deities like Viñëu, Brahmä and Çiva are different manifestations of the Paramätmä feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kaçyapa warned her that actually Lord Çiva is not connected with anyone, nor is anyone his enemy. Since he is one of the three controllers of the universal affairs, he is equal to everyone. His greatness is incomparable because he is a great devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is said that among all the devotees of the Personality of Godhead, Lord Çiva is the greatest. He is called Mahädeva, or the greatest of all demigods, and no one is equal to or greater than him in the material world. He is almost equal with Lord Visnu. Lord Siva never accepts any luxurious dress, garland, ornament or ointment. But those who are addicted to the decoration of the body, which is finally eatable by dogs, very luxuriously maintain it as the self. Such persons do not understand Lord Siva, Vaiñëavänäà yathä çambhuù: Sambhu, or Lord Siva, is the ideal Vaiñëava. He constantly meditates upon Lord Rama and chants Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Sankarsana is also worshiped through Lord Çiva; the snakes which cover the body of Lord Çiva are representations of Saìkarñaëa, and Lord Çiva is always absorbed in meditation upon Saìkarñaëa. One who is actually a worshiper of Lord Çiva as a devotee of Saìkarñaëa can be released from false, material ego. Lord Visnu replied: Brahmä, Lord Çiva and I are the supreme cause of the material manifestation. I am the Supersoul, the self sufficient witness. But impersonally there is no difference between Brahmä, Lord Çiva and Me. Lord Brahmä, the supreme person within this universe, said: My dear Priyavrata, kindly hear attentively what I shall say to you. Do not be jealous of the Supreme Lord, who is beyond our experimental measurements. All of us, including Lord Çiva, your father and the great sage Mahärñi Närada, must carry out the order of the Supreme. We cannot deviate from His order. >Just like you refer the Supreme Lord as Krishna, there are others [shaivas] who refer to this same Supreme Lord as Shiva. There are also others who worship this same Supreme Lord in other forms. éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù sac-cid-änanda-vigrahaù anädir ädir govindaù sarva-käraëa-käraëam “There are many personalities possessing the qualities of Bhagavan, but Krisna is the supreme because none can excel Him. He is the Supreme Person, and His body is eternal, full of knowledge and bliss. He is the primeval Lord Govinda and the cause of all causes.” (Brahma-saàhitä 5.1) >And in all cases, the face would have been different. Basically, it will be of the form that was worshipped. For example, there is a Ganapathi Upanishad, according to which Ganapathi is the source of everything. The person who composed it saw the Supreme Lord in the form of Ganapathi. "Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. I am in everyone’s heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity." BG 7.20-21 >says in one place that Vishnu should not be worshipped because it will make Shiva angry! O my dear King, Hiranyakasipu was always drunk on strong-smelling wines and liquors, and therefore his coppery eyes were always rolling. Nonetheless, because he had powerfully executed great austerities in mystic yoga, although he was abominable, all but the three principal demigods—Lord Brahma, Lord Siva and Lord Visnu—personally worshiped him to please him by bringing him various presentations with their own hands. PURPORT In the Skanda Puräëa there is this description: upäyanaà daduù sarve vinä devän hiraëyakaù. Hiraëyakaçipu was so powerful that everyone but the three principal demigods—namely Lord Brahmä, Lord Siva and Lord Visnu—engaged in his service. Madhväcärya says, ädityä vasavo rudräs tri-vidhä hi surä yataù. There are three kinds of demigods—the Ädityas, the Vasus and the Rudras—beneath whom are the other demigods, like the Maruts and Sädhyas (marutaç caiva viçve ca sädhyäç caiva ca tad-gatäù). Therefore all the demigods are called tri-piñöapa, and the same word tri applies to Lord Brahma, Lord Siva and Lord Visnu. SB 7.4.14