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***but we see that Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti is always trying to get people to leave ISKCON. Very aggressive. Oh yes, Prabhu. They so care about ISKCON, sooo care...

***"The soul makes a choice casually? Who has looked that casually in an spiritual world and who has looked that casually in a material world?" no, anadi has'nt mentioned casuality Soul do choise? Some choise material world, not choise spiritual world? Hmm...spiritual world not attractiv? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

He, 1896, Bhaktivinoda Thakura wanted to introduce this Krsna consciousness movement by sending this book, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, His Life and Precepts. Fortunately, that year was my birth year, and by Krsna's arrangement, we came in contact. Prabhupada: ...in 1896. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was the first origin of this movement. But he simply thought of it. And he was expecting some others that willing to take up the work. Well, somebody says that I am the same man. And I was born in 1896. So he wanted to combine the whole civilized nations under this Caitanya Mahaprabhu's cult, Hare Krsna movement. I think I have given this hint in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya. Reporter (2): How many members in the United States? I'm told two thousand. Is that correct approximately? Prabhupada: That they can say. Jayatirtha: Well, our published figure is that worldwide membership is ten thousand. How much of that is in the United States isn't exactly broken down. Reporter (2): I did a story on this movement five years ago and the figure at that time was two thousand in the United States also. Prabhupada: It is increasing. Reporter (2): It is increasing? Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Definitely. Jayatirtha: I said that the worldwide figure is ten thousand. Reporter (2): Yes, I understood. Could you tell me how old you are? Jayatirtha: He wants to know your age, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: After one month I will be eighty. Reporter (1): Eighty? Prabhupada: Eighty years old. Reporter (2): What will happen... Prabhupada: I was born in 1896, now you can calculate. Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die? Prabhupada: I will never die. Devotees: Jaya! Hari bol! (laughter) Prabhupada: I shall live for my books, and you will utilize.

When this day and free from attachments and hostility will come, I can reach Navadvipa? O Lord Nityananda! He conducts kirtan great fidelity, transforming the simple ground in Cintamani. His sight fills all with happiness and light of His ornaments, does His greatness unique. Dancing, He rotates a silver cane and time is slowed down, enabling all is captivated to look at an event. " Hari!! Hari!! " - Lord Caitanya and similarly to waves loudly sings, a sacred name carried by on boundless sea devotees. Similar to the sun and the moon, two brothers have left from heavens- " He krsna karuna-sindhu! " - You constant friends to eternally living in misery inhabitants to a material world, " gopesa gopika-kanta! " - Lords Goloka Vrindavana go by the ground Navadvipa! Lord Caitanya has increased ocean of fidelity by infinity! The supreme reason of a material world is Krisna or Lord Caitanya- eko vai narayana asin na brahma na isano napo nagni-samau ... “In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no water, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun.” Greatness Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, proceed as from the primary person - Lord Caitanya. And the perfect fidelity to the God as proceeds from Lord Caitanya. Therefore all proceeds from the God, and Supreme Lord is in all moods simultaneously. Lord Caitanya is tsar spiritual and a material world. Lord Caitanya this embodiment of all fidelity. And Lord Caitanya is the supreme devotee. Light as gold, Lord Caitanya has come accompanied by the His satellites, and Lord Nityananda dancing in ecstasy, a sight executed spiritual happiness, transforms all in Cintamani dhama.

"Babaji" about falling soul, acceptance sanyasa, raganuga bhakti, whether the spiritual organizations are necessary for us, whether creation GBC in GM and so on. --------------------- - Falling soul The Scriptus speak about falling soul. It is spoken that falling was - "anadi". As falling "anadi" naturally that the inhabitant can understand, that the soul and was not in an spiritual world. There in fact "it is "good", therefore as the soul could to fall? But here in fact too like "well"? Really "anadi" does not specify absolute infinity. The absolute infinity is eternity of relations of soul and the God. That writes Bhaktivinoda Thakur in this occasion - " The individual soul may sometimes find himself under the control of the illusory potency maya, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead is always the controller of maya. " If he forgets this duty, the individual souls comes under maya's control. Then the soul stays away from Lord Krsna. That staying away from Lord Krsna means that the soul enters the material world. " Naturally that for babaji it cannot be argument because they do not accept authority SBT. Some citations sastra (see the appendix) - Whether it is necessary sanyasa? The following step of the some people apa sampradaya professing idea of " pure love " will be that they reject sanyasa. Including do under the reference from dialogue Lord Caitanya with Ramananda Ray where He "has rejected" it varnasram. Obviously that varnasram it is initial institute of a religious life. Nevertheless it is possible to see as Lord Caitanya strictly followed varnasram and grihastha and in renunciation. All devoted Lord Caitanya followed system varnasram. If it was not important that all dialogue would consist of one question and one answer as actually all and would like to introduce it those who are materialistic actually and to whom varnasram that and is necessary first of all. - A priority raganuga bhakti The following stage of development by " pure love " goes a priority raganuga bhakti or sadhana-raganuga bhakti. Referring on that that the method sadhana and raganuga means "different" moods, the some people apa sampradaya therefore allocate at once "raganuga", take on a pair of contextual citations. The real way of fidelity means consecutive development. First it BG, then consecutive STUDYING (to not confuse to formal reading) SB, further CC (that as a rule and not actually, but it is not forbidden) and the ambassador goes some from sastra Gosvami which WILL not be UNDERSTOOD if before it the person did not realize the previous spiritual principles. As Madhurya Kadambini perfectly describes as sadhana bhakti passes in sadhana-raganuga bhakti. That in CC it is spoken about necessity to follow sadhana bhakti and as more mature stage it raganuga bhakti which besides remains strictly in external frameworks sadhana, at least in an ideal. Thus both sadhana and raganuga externally look always equally, the instruction Lord Caitanya directly is those. SB gradually and consistently brings us to higher themes, describing greatness of the God (mood sadhana bhakti). Srila Narottama dasa Thakur as speaks that comprehension of greatness of the God is the indispensable initial stage of a spiritual life. Thus raganuga bhakti there can not be the first stage, and an attribute mature sadhana this absence anarthas in the certain degree. As to greatness it is obvious that all of us want greatness. We can try to squeeze out and realize own greatness different externally methods, but essence frequently same. As the fact will be, that greatness it that does more strongly our sraddha, but instead of what to realize greatness of the God as it is necessary and to strengthen our belief in the authoritative image, we instead of it chase more own greatness. Yes, the belief practically any faith keeps on comprehension of own greatness that is impersonalism actually. And so it is told that is necessary not to realize the greatness, and greatness of the God or to follow a principle sadhana or studying SB consistently. Srila Prabhupada writes very wonderfully on a theme of greatness of the God - " for the caused souls comprehension of greatness of the God MORE IMPORTANT than what comprehension that of the supreme aspects. " Comprehension of greatness it is MORE IMPORTANT. Srila Prabhupada writes - " for PURE devotee there is no difference between a spiritual kiss and lilas of three Visnu ". The reality will be, that mature sadhana uplifts the person in higher spiritual spheres and on a question on what role in it plays the guru, Shrila Prabhupada answers - " do not worry, as soon as the person reaches such level, all components already are. " It is real if the person reaches a maturity it is doubtless that she is pacified on this question and unique anxiety of such raised souls and our spiritual teachers it how to help anothers. As to raganuga that all art of the sermon will be what to develop spontaneous interest to hearing the Holy Writ. Spontaneous means including not pushed by that or other mechanically, whether it be in the form " we it is the bettest " or still as. It is obvious that such interest can will wake up in others when we have interest to sastra. Spontaneous as means that the person has spiritual freedom or develops spiritual reason. Spontaneous interest to games of the God also is perfection of religion as Shrila Prabhupada writes. Obviously that sadhana in itself it is not spontaneous, nevertheless correct sadhana means that feelings are correctly occupied in devotional service and thus interest to a spiritual life grows. Sadhana can look as attempt to reduce a material component and sadhana as means realized a spiritual life. Making comments on the term of "rati" or spontaneous attachment Srila Prabhupada in one place refers to a verse "brahma-bhuta". Brahma-bhuta prasannatma - the person testing increasing spiritual happiness, begins the service to the God in the spontaneous image. Actually all true sermon and all qualified administration which anyhow it is inevitable in any spiritual organizations it is directed on it - brahma-bhuta - rati - spontaneous fidelity. And imho if it to do following standard way SB then all this finds really mature character (it is possible to see by the example of many devotees). In this case we should not simulate anything and all only are happy such mature fidelity and itself such devoted finds value as the one who can give a good management of all rest. If to try to describe now all this in three words, these three words in my opinion - a constancy, sequence and some groundlessness. Everyone is brahman or the spiritual consciousness, and spiritual happiness has no in the basis of the material reasons and from this level the person can have spontaneous interest to a spiritual statement. Precisely as well as that all other high qualities proceed from spontaneous interest including absence of all these material motives in religion that so always casts a shadow on religion. Therefore correct sadhana also wakens such spontaneous interest to devoted service, imho it and is criterion sadhana and true sadhana. Obviously that interest to a spiritual life at us quite often in general is absent also we sometimes we wake up only when conversation starts to go or about material love, or about "spiritual" love. But why there is no interest? Because the person is too concerned with the material component. All mind, reason and feelings are absorbed by process of meditation on a material component in its different displays. 18000 verses contain SB and each such verse is spiritually unique! 420000 (!) verses has written Srila Jiva Gosvami and He why that writes not only on themes of notorious love. Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur making comments SB, besides probably in empty writes what for that about Manu and what for in general it is necessary to know about Manu, I do not know, but the fact will be that Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur and Srila Jiva Gosvami make comments on all this - about Manus, about Maharaja Judhishthira, about Visnu Purana. " Visnu "? it in fact that... At all ours parampara, Lord Visnu it sadhana, and we in fact madhurya raganuga bhaktas! /images/graemlins/smile.gif - A priority of "madhurya-rasa" Actually this question has been already discussed above how many that. Srila Prabhupada writes - " there is no difference between various races ". BRS and CC speak that passing neutral relations is improbable that the person it will reach spiritual success. If we also can understand that madhurya-rasa is the supreme rasa in spiritual sense not from a material position? The wide sermon on a priority "madhurya-rasa" it actually populism as a matter of fact. I shall not write much on this theme but if that a theme very fruitful and to tell it is possible much in such occasion. "Babaji" and in this question besides not too trouble itself. Their quick reference to such supreme themes certainly speaks it about their pragmatism, but all this is not so practical. It is not practical because such methods are not real and not correspond the guru-sadhu-sastra and consequently that in that case is necessary to come back back if the person will really follow in the steps spiritual authorities later. Actually than more the person consistently follows or even tries to follow a spiritual science, especially it will be mature. Srila Prabhupada writes in this occasion that His purpose - it not small semiripe and useless by and large a fruit. " Here there is no place for bhajana " - the some people think. Spiritually therefore and spiritually that is absolute, therefore listening consistently SB the person and follows in the steps great authorities. It is possible to recollect in this occasion as that SBST preached about Prahlada lila of the on Radha kunda. But for babaji and their true followers all this for a long time the gone stage similar. As they say they " are executed by pleasure of the supreme rasas ". - Absence of the organization Undoubtedly what to follow such material hand-made articles it is better outside of the organization. In general materialists do not love the organization. There are two types of materialists - one do not love the organization because want material freedom and the second type is those who very much love the organization if can dominate there (undoubtedly that in the true spiritual organization was the leader or the head it is one of the heaviest duties). And as the organization - is heavier than idle shaking, and what for then to trouble itself. Especially if we do not follow sastra and to follow we do not gather, in that case it is necessary for us a lot of open space, and there are hundred faiths with the same quantity of philosophies and everyone undoubtedly carries conclusive true and unique belief. All that spiritually, always all is organized. Even the material world is organized if to peer very well there a little. If to speak seriously, to be outside of the organization in general it is impossible, in any case - babaji, ISKCON, GM and the material world all this is the organizations. Even Vaikuntha it is the certain organization, only in impersonal brahman there is no organization (full merge of love good luck and with all at once simultaneously) and as in ignorance. - A priority diksa guru In the true spiritual organization there is no formally established priority of one guru. We can see it in games Lord Caitanya for example. Was much acaryas and all of them operated in common, sang in common, preached in common итд. In general the spiritual life proceeds from set of the guru - " the equal attitude to diksa guru and siksa guru - a secret of success in a spiritual life ". It is a secret of success as writes SBT. Therefore true sampradaya it diksa guru and set siksa guru. Now our brothers from " GM " anyhow following Srila Prabhupada leaves from the concept babaji about the only thing " sat guru " a little. In one of GM is formal GBC, in the another formal ritvika which that can become informal at those or other difficulties - for what she and is established. If ritvika it will be cancelled, besides that this decision of this question hardly is possible to tell. Actually GBC it is necessary for all GM, it seems to me what to make it not so difficultly and it will strengthen their spiritual weight in continuous spiritual dialogue with the same babaji for example. GBC does not contradict the concept of " one guru ", in ISKCON at us as at all different gurus and as there are those or other preferences of different gurus different disciples, but it is not the big problem in ISKCON. GBC GM as will quite bring new inspiring and freshening undoubtedly, in a pulse to a spiritual life GM. That it even in what that degrees will compel to order SPIRITUAL philosophy of all GM as. As to struggle with impersonalism here is how time it as enters into concept of struggle with impersonalism, it is doubtless that GBC makes all personal, personal dialogue and personal cooperation. Obviously as that ISKCON will not accept the listed above philosophies as to falling soul and so forth during the following of 10000 at least. It not philosophy ISKCON , it not philosophy GM, it not the philosophy true babaji, is material philosophy. The idea of one guru all organization of the guru is undoubtedly practical in what that the moments, nevertheless such idea simply continues rise plurality of the organizations by a principle " as it is pleasant to whom ". Certainly, the eternal principle siksa corrects set of problems, nevertheless real expression of such principle it GBC. - "Brahma-Madhava" The following unique position will be, that even sometimes and spiritual leaders cannot understand the some people that philosophy Madhvacarya makes a part of philosophy Gaudiya. That nobody can obviously jump in certain supreme spheres, passing steps of spiritual growth. Therefore the founder sampradaya is Lord Brahma, and one of the basic steps of a spiritual life is expressed in philosophy Srila Madhvacarya. Srila Madhvacarya this the founder-acarya parampara, it in fact not what that casual part how babaji and their followers can criticize mood Vaikuntha if is an obvious stage of a spiritual life? Some gurus Gaudia Matha as indirectly hint the followers that ISKCON professes mood Vaikuntha, and they that precisely carry true rasa. The some people speak that it Vaikuntha, the some people speak that it is the initial stage, the some people speak that it is a mix, but it not Vaikuntha, it not the beginning, namely that Srila Prabhupada's books this last word of pure fidelity. Actually the true rasa means comprehension Vaikuntha or love to Nityananda Prabhu and then by words Narottama dasa Thakura - " I can realize Vrindavana lila ". The fact will be, that Srila Prabhupada preaches in mood Lord Caitanya, that Srila Prabhupada and finishes in the unique image spiritual work of all sampradaya. Madhurya-vipralambha or the supreme mood Goloka Vrindavana, is those the true message Lord Caitanya or gaura-vani, dialogue with Lord Caitanya. Obviously that this mood is present at all acaryas, but that as the supreme mood it is submitted by Srila Prabhupada. Moreover all this is submitted as practical guidance as. It is pure fidelity in her last phase - in a firm condition. The sugar syrup being condensed, becomes firm, that speaks about degrees of his saturation and this last stage and is submitted by Srila Prabhupada. It are necessary to be surprised only that we why that we can not so will quickly plunge into this mood, really, it is a little bit strange that this supreme mood cannot be accessible to us in detail to much of other "rasas". Very strange that we not can to fly it promptly on wings of love in this sphere as we like to fly or take off from the spiritual organizations for example. Actually it is not strange, and quite naturally. It is meant also with "founder - acarya" - Srila Prabhupada has established this supreme mood of fidelity. It has been described much steps before it since philosophy Madhvacarya and in the end the full spiritual result has been brought. It is a full spiritual result from the point of view of spiritual philosophy and it is a full result from the point of view of spiritual mood. It also is "Gaudiya" eternal mood of separation Lord Caitanya! I do not try to tell that all this is popular, but it and is Brahma-Madhava-gaudiya sampradaya. "Gaudiya" it not a meeting Krisna lila as it try to present babaji and their true followers. Therefore all such followers should not make comments sastra on Srila Prabhupada and if they will want that it is possible to follow simply to this sastra and it is obvious that anybody from them has not surpassed Prabhupada and nobody will surpass. In this occasion Srila Prabhupada writes - " Lord Caitanya can occupy my place only. " Lyrical digression- Except for that that God has cakra as the weapon, He as has and club against ateists. And effect of influence spiritual club I want to tell simply tremendous - shakes up so, that the atheism, this of snakes with numerous heads, even to think starts. After impact club, it, like on a kind strong and places even the architectural building of materialism, gives a crack immediately. Cracks on all building, on all corners and back streets, such force impact club. There is no necessity for any local actions, but fidelity does not suffer. With second impact all scatters into smithereens, but it certainly does not concern to the spiritual organizations. Anyhow all and all now carries in herself this or that material strike, but it seems to me that it is necessary to understand all over again very simple idea - the person should have the strong base, correctly having understood philosophy Brahma-Madhava-gaudiya sampradaya. - Principles As to principles as they say any interested person can read that it that raganuga devotees do not depend on instructions sastra. They in general from anything do not depend, but on the organizations, neither from philosophy, nor from varnasram but only pure fidelity, only "love" as they say. In this sense babaji India are completely not lonely, truly such ideas are embodied at us everywhere. Some result- Undoubtedly and that everywhere it is possible to find both bad and good and essence in that that it is necessary to accept positive things and probably sometimes to try to understand the reason of this or that negative. The fact will be as bad and good in the spiritual organizations it is simple reflection of our own qualities. Whence undertakes this "bad", it we and bring it{him}, whence undertakes good, it proceeds from our aspiration to cultivate a spiritual life. ************************ The appendix about falling soul. SB 10.87.38 " The illusory material nature attracts the minute living entity to embrace her, and as a result he assumes forms composed of her qualities. Subsequently, he loses all his spiritual qualities and must undergo repeated deaths. You, however, avoid the material energy in the same way that a snake abandons its old skin. Glorious in Your possession of eight mystic perfections, You enjoy unlimited opulences. " SB 11.2.37 " When the living entity is attracted by the material energy, which is separate from Krsna, he is overpowered by fear. Because he is separated from the Supreme Personality of Godhead by the material energy, his conception of life is reversed. In other words, instead of being the eternal servant of Krsna, he becomes Krsna's competitor. This is called viparyayo ’ smatiu. To nullify this mistake, one who is actually learned and advanced worships the Supreme Personality of Godhead as his spiritual master, worshipful Deity and source of life. He thus worships the Lord by the process of unalloyed devotional service. " CC Madhya 22.24 " The living entity is bound around the neck by the chain of maya because he has forgotten that he is eternally a servant of Krsna. " Madhya 20.117 " Forgetting Krsna, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy (maya) gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence. "

Poison "ecstatic loving mood".

***Chanting more makes you a babaji/sahajiya? No. ***You think you have become great. It is no big greatnes. /images/graemlins/smile.gif If person feel spiritual rise, then he increase number rounds.

Nor does the Supreme Lord assume anyone’s sinful or pious activities. Embodied beings, however, are bewildered because of the ignorance which covers their real knowledge. PURPORT The Sanskrit word vibhu means the Supreme Lord who is full of unlimited knowledge, riches, strength, fame, beauty and renunciation. He is always satisfied in Himself, undisturbed by sinful or pious activities. He does not create a particular situation for any living entity, but the living entity, bewildered by ignorance, desires to be put into certain conditions of life, and thereby his chain of action and reaction begins. A living entity is, by superior nature, full of knowledge. Nevertheless, he is prone to be influenced by ignorance due to his limited power. The Lord is omnipotent, but the living entity is not. The Lord is vibhu, or omniscient, but the living entity is aлu, or atomic. Because he is a living soul, he has the capacity to desire by his free will. Such desire is fulfilled only by the omnipotent Lord. And so, when the living entity is bewildered in his desires, the Lord allows him to fulfill those desires, but the Lord is never responsible for the actions and reactions of the particular situation which may be desired. Being in a bewildered condition, therefore, the embodied soul identifies himself with the circumstantial material body and becomes subjected to the temporary misery and happiness of life. The Lord is the constant companion of the living entity as Paramдtmд, or the Supersoul, and therefore He can understand the desires of the individual soul, as one can smell the flavor of a flower by being near it. Desire is a subtle form of conditioning for the living entity. The Lord fulfills his desire as he deserves: Man proposes and God disposes. The individual is not, therefore, omnipotent in fulfilling his desires. The Lord, however, can fulfill all desires, and the Lord, being neutral to everyone, does not interfere with the desires of the minute independent living entities. However, when one desires Kеслa, the Lord takes special care and encourages one to desire in such a way that one can attain to Him and be eternally happy. The Vedic hymns therefore declare, eсa u hy eva sдdhu karma kдrayati taа yam ebhyo lokebhya unninйсate. eсa u evдsдdhu karma kдrayati yam adho ninйсate: “The Lord engages the living entity in pious activities so that he may be elevated. The Lord engages him in impious activities so that he may go to hell.” (Kauсйtakй Upaniсad 3.8) ajпo jantur anйзo ’yam дtmanaщ sukha-duщkhayoщ йзvara-prerito gacchet svargaа vдзv abhram eva ca “The living entity is completely dependent in his distress and happiness. By the will of the Supreme he can go to heaven or hell, as a cloud is driven by the air.” Therefore the embodied soul, by his immemorial desire to avoid Kеслa consciousness, causes his own bewilderment. Consequently, although he is constitutionally eternal, blissful and cognizant, due to the littleness of his existence he forgets his constitutional position of service to the Lord and is thus entrapped by nescience. And, under the spell of ignorance, the living entity claims that the Lord is responsible for his conditional existence. The Vedдnta-sьtras (2.1.34) also confirm this. Vaiсamya-nairghелye na sдpekсatvдt tathд hi darзayati: “The Lord neither hates nor likes anyone, though He appears to.”

As time painfully goes. Infinite night. Whether is in her though any gleam of light? Time has stopped in walls gambhira. But the unearthly light consecrates Nilacala. Lord Caitanya wakens day, but later, all is immersed in night and what that unknown force attracts Him to ocean. O ocean, whether you are great so what to compare you to feelings Lord Caitanya?! But blinking of dark waves in view of the moon, does you fine. And there, on other coast, the marvellous landscape suddenly sees - - Summer in the heat. Sing birds and from a dust lifted by slow cows, there are two boys. Yes! They there! On that coast! Lord Caitanya promptly runs to ocean. There is Krishna! Lord Caitanya rushes to water. Whether there can be an ocean an obstacle for Him? But vision suddenly disappears. This ocean darkest than night, but gold shine on crests of waves, does his magnificent.

Rati do not rise from academical stady sastra and rati do not rise from blind sraddha.

Bhakti may be considered in three stages, called guna-bhuta, pradhana-bhuta and kevala, and according to these stages there are three divisions, which are called jnana, jnanamaya and rati, or prema—that is, simple knowledge, love mixed with knowledge, and pure love. By simple knowledge, one can perceive transcendental bliss without variety. This perception is called mana-bhuti. When one comes to the stage of jnanamaya, one realizes the transcendental opulences of the Personality of Godhead. But when one reaches pure love, one realizes the transcendental form of the Lord as Lord Krsna or Lord Rama. This is what is wanted. As we have explained, in worship of the Lord there are three stages—jnana, jnanamaya and rati, or love. Sutapa and his wife, Prsni, inaugurated their devotional activities on the basis of full knowledge. Gradually they developed love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and when this love was mature, the Lord appeared as Visnu, although Devaki then requested Him to assume the form of Krsna. To love the Supreme Personality of Godhead more, we want a form of the Lord like Krsna or Rama. The word rati is explained in the Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.3.41) as follows: "When a tenderness of the heart is manifest, there is rati, or attachment. Those who are interested in being liberated from material bondage must manifest this tenderness called rati." This attachment is not like material attachment. When one is liberated from material contamination, the awakening of attachment for Krsna's service is called rati. In the material world there is attachment for material enjoyment, but this is not rati. Transcendental rati can be awakened only on the spiritual platform. "These are the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead: "When one's intelligence is fully attached to My lotus feet but one does not render practical service, one has attained the stage called santa-rati, or sama. Without santa-rati, attachment to Krsna is very difficult to achieve." Madhya 19 212. Then Thakura Haridasa replied, "Yes, I could understand your intention and who has sent you. I knew everything. But because you have come to my shelter, I stayed here for three days just to convert you. Otherwise I would have gone the very same night from this place. So anyway, you have come to your senses. Now give up this nonsense business. Sit down here and you also chant Hare Krsna ... I am going from this place." So that prostitute became a great devotee. She also. This is the touchstone. Touchstone. This is called atma-rati. So this is called rati. Spontaneous attraction. This is called, it has not to be taught, spontaneous. So as soon as there is spontaneous attraction to hear all about God, that will mean that we are attaining perfection in religion.

President Russia now not glad politics "hristianiti". Dvorcin has education in USA and work in radio Voice Amerika. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif If devotee do some nice - then all sects run. In any case we do not depend any temple, but if his be build, then 10 000 devotees be in Mockow. It is may opinion. Principially in Moscom may be rise for 1 000 000 people who some degree take KC. It iemple - it is large, large works, many eyars devotee serve. This KC - like big train, some may go away, but traine or ship go forever.

***It is beautiful to see the success of the devotees in Russia. Wonderful. Amazing. Yes, I am too glad. It is Bhaktivigyana Svami project. In Russia devotee go very nice RULE atmosphere. They search so nice variants spiritual works and spiritual management. Bhaktivigyana Svami fight in nosoroge ? Faith with big animal. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif It is His site, learn russian /images/graemlins/smile.gif match nice articles in pfilosopy diary. http://www.saranagati.kiev.ua/ I am read in english with masine with out problem. Only russian may be more difficult then english. Bhactivigyana Gosvami has forum, may write Him, He is answer. /images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.sanga.ru/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=goswami

***How is the government treating the Hare Krsna devotee's there anyway? Now is nice. "Hristians" only, but not so match. ***Is it better then 20 years ago when they arrested the devotees and such? Yes more better.

***Bhagavata we read that when Haridas Thakura accepted the former prostitute (Mayadevi) as a disciple, Yes Holy name spiritual stone, brahman initiation not so important. But if person has sucsses in repeat holy name then stay in position brahman. In this case SP write - "second initiation", but generally second initiation not principial, holy name om purnam.

***If you work for PRABHUPADA and HIS disciples, then you may connect with Prabhupada. If you serve in OTHER place you then far from Prabhupada. ***Tripurari Swami, BA Paramadvaiti, BG Narasingha, BB Vishnu, and others, are examples of those who do not work for Prabhupada's disciples, yet they are disciples of Prabhupada who are doing good service in their own missions and having considerable success thereof. Would you propose that all of these are "far" from Prabhupada? They work for their own missions, because they do not follow SP. Yes they serve some for Prabhupada but far from Prabhupada. It is right. ***All gopis do raganuga-preaching. ***When did the Gopis ever do any preaching whatsoever? Rupa-Sanatana Gosvami, all folowers Lord Caitanya preaching whatsoever. ***In another place He is write - "first initiation it ALL, NO NEED second initiation." I am has this citation. ***Quote it then, please. Ok late. ***Needs some brain for understanding all contecst books SP. ***Well, the fact is that all Gaudiya branches consider second initiation to be the most important one as far as I know. It is no principial - kiba shudra, kiba nyasi. If some not brahman - it is no has big problem. If you not has first initiation - then you not has nothing. Right? ***Srila Prabhupada himself stated so in a letter. I am ansver on this questions before. ***If you have a quote from Srila Prabhupada stating the opposite, then please produce it. I don't think it is fascinating to present an argument based on a quote you say you have. I am have, i am write because read SP. Has big "mission" hho not read SBT, not read SP only speak - "we more best, we more best" IT IS they djapa. ***By the way, what's your opinion about the soul's fall? Soul fall from spiritual world. God no needs "born" soul in material world for "grow". It material conception - "soul grow in material world".

***Awfully sorry, but I do not think you are in any position to tell other people what to do or judge whether their understandings are material or so on. "Judge not lest ye be judged," good advice. Dear friend it is advice sastra. It is autoritete path, not speculation and not sentimental concoctions. ***But meet personnaly gopis? Meet personnaly Krisna? ***What sort of standard is this? Because I have never met Krishna or anyone else, I have no authority to speak about Them? If you desire meet Krisna, then needs follow in path SB. It is gradually path. ***Have you ever met Srila Prabhupada? Yes? No? Yes. ***If not, then you have no authority to speak about him since you never met him. It is ridiculous to say that. Has SPIRITUAL science. It is SCIENCE. Spiritual life progress gradually. If you speak about gopis, then you very vell understand most "low" principles. If person not understand "low" principles, then he is no has qualification speak about gopis. Need - know gunas ( real) - knows demigods ( real) - knows vaikuntha ( real) - then Goloka. In this case Goloka real. IF know gunas ( teoretical) - knows demigods ( teoretical) - knows vaikuntha ( teoretical) - then Goloka teoretical. It is no autoritative. It is gyana. In begining gyana good, but then needs vigyana. Needs go for gunas ( real) and go forvard ( real ). Then you preachings has be power. Sat guru teach in THIS way. If you guru preach in first "rasa" it is no autoritative, it is material. ***Need follow SP and do this step by step. ***It may be necessary for you to follow Srila Prabhupada, but I am not initiated by anyone so I am in a position to take instruction from any guru who is inspirational for my spiritual life. It is you choise. and me advise for you - "Need follow SP and do this step by step." ***By the way, there is no law that one cannot advance if one does not follow Srila Prabhupada. I am not see examples. ****Needs understanding sastra step by step. ***Sure. Ok. ***Lord Caitanya NEVER do not disscuss abiut gopis. If some in level Ramananda Raya - then disscuss. ***Really? Yes. ***And here's me thinking that Mahaprabhu was very magnanimous enough to give His supreme gift to everyone regardless of qualification, even to those who were inimical to it. Vipralambha this gift. He is no speak about gopis only with qalification man. Only. Vipralambha most esotheri really, but Lord caitanya distribute her with out discrimination. Pfilosopi Madhvacaria it is step in spiritual life, if person in level vaicuntha, then one is understand this pfilosophi. Then - Goloka. Then - Brahma - Madhava, with out philosopi Madhva all is sahajiya. ***If you may bath yong girl for Krisna - then disscuss. If you girl, then for you it is no problem. ***Apa-siddhanta. Why is raganuga-bhakti not a problem for me if I am a female but it is a problem if I am male? "You are not the body." You not understand. If you female ( spiritual ) then no problem bath yong girl, like Ramananda Ray. It is example for fools who run in "madhurya". ***This is the first basic lesson. It is foolish to suggest that one is enabled to follow a cerain path based on gender or any other mundane qualification. Every may follow, but with rigth path. We not follow apa siddhanta. ***Has manjari and has very small manjari. ***Can you kindly explain to us the difference between a manjari and a "very small manjari"? I am has bad english. They small then "not serve" match, they ran after "big" manjaris, eat prasad from Radha-Krisna, because they is more innocent then for they no has big rule. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Some from them grove, some stay in this deha - small manjaris. /images/graemlins/smile.gif ***Learn about material world, then read CC. First read BG AND FOLLOW BG, second read SB gradually, and then read CC. ***And what makes you so sure that I have not read BG, SB and all? I am interesting vigyana, real realisation. If person no has big realisation but has small vigyana it is good. No needs "big realisation" teoretical, best small realisation but real - vigyan. May be you read, I am not know. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I am write in general, not concrete. ***Speaking of which, are you in any position whatsoever to tell people what they can or cannot do? You person from . com or not?

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Isvara Puri "The seed of devotional service next fructified in the form of Sri Isvara Puri, and then the gardener Himself, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, became the main trunk of the tree of devotional service." PURPORT Sri Isvara Puri was a resident of Kumara-hatta, where there is now a railroad station known as Kamarhatta. Nearby there is also another station named Halisahara, which belongs to the Eastern Railway that runs from the eastern section of Calcutta. Isvara Puri appeared in a brahmana family and was the most beloved disciple of Srila Madhavendra Puri. To teach others by example how to be a faithful disciple of one’s spiritual master, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, visited the birthplace of Isvara Puri at Kamarhatta and collected some earth from his birthsite. This He kept very carefully, and He used to eat a small portion of it daily. Sivananda Sena "Srila Sivananda Sena experienced the three features saksat, avesa and avirbhava. Later I shall vividly describe this transcendentally blissful subject." PURPORT Srila Sivananda Sena has been described by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja as follows: He was a resident of Kumarahatta, which is also known as Halisahara, and was a great devotee of the Lord. Srila Sivananda Sena guided all the devotees of Lord Caitanya who went from Bengal to Jagannatha Puri, and he personally bore all the expenses for their journey. Sri Sivananda Sena actually experienced Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu&'s features of saksat, avesa and avirbhava. He once picked up a dog while on his way to Jagannatha Puri, and it is described in the Antya-lela, First Chapter, that this dog later attained salvation by his association. Paramananda Mahapatra "King Prataparudra of Orissa, the Oriya devotees Kaneananda and Sivananda, Paramananda Mahapatra, Bhagavan Acarya, Brahmananda Bharate, Sri Sikhi Mahiti and Murari Mahiti constantly associated with Caitanya Mahaprabhu while He resided in Jagannatha Puri." In the Caitanya-bhagavata, Antya-lela, Chapter Five, Paramananda Mahapatra is described as follows: Paramananda Mahapatra was among the devotees who took birth in Orissa and accepted Caitanya Mahaprabhu as their only asset. In the ecstasy of conjugal love, he always thought of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Bhagavan Acarya, a very learned scholar, was formerly an inhabitant of Halisahara, but he left everything to live with Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Jagannatha Puri. His relationship with Caitanya Mahaprabhu was friendly, like that of a cowherd boy. Vasudeva Datta "Please take care of Vasudeva Datta's family affairs. Become his manager and make the proper adjustments. PURPORT Both Vasudeva Datta and Sivananda Sena were living in the same neighborhood, which is presently called Kumarahatta or Halisahara. Srivasa Thakur "The Lord stayed at Raghava Pandita's place for only one day. The next morning, He went to Kumarahatta, where Srivasa Thakura lived." PURPORT After Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu accepted sannyasa, Srivasa Thakura due to separation from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu left Navadvepa and went to Halisahara to live. Vasudeva Datta stayed at Srivasa Pandita's house, and in the Caitanya-bhagavata it is described that Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu was so pleased with Vasudeva Datta and so affectionate toward him that He used to say, I am only Vasudeva Datta's man. My body is only meant to please Vasudeva Datta, and he can sell Me anywhere. Thrice He vowed that this was a fact and that no one should disbelieve these statements. All My dear devotees He said, I tell you the truth. My body is especially meant for Vasudeva Datta. Vasudeva Datta initiated Sri Yadunandana Acarya, the spiritual master of Raghunatha dasa, who later became Raghunatha dasa Gosvame. After this function at the house of Srivasa Thakura, Nityananda Prabhu appeared, and when He met with Lord Caitanya He got the opportunity to see Him in His six-armed form. PURPORT The form of Nao-bhuja, the six-armed Lord Gaurasundara, is a representation of three incarnations. The form of Sri Ramacandra is symbolized by a bow and arrow, the form of Lord Sri Krsna is symbolized by a stick and flute like those generally held by a cowherd boy, and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is symbolized by a sannyasa-danda and kamaeoalu, or waterpot. **************** Thereafter the Lord charitably bestowed His benediction upon all His devotees. He gave the remnants of His food to Narayani, showing her special respect. There was a tailor who was a meat-eater but was sewing garments for Srivasa Thakura. The Lord, being merciful to him, showed him His own form. Saying - I have seen! I have seen! and dancing in ecstatic love as though mad, he became a first-class Vaisnava. In ecstasy the Lord asked Srivasa Thakura to deliver His flute, but Srivasa Thakura replied, Your flute has been stolen away by the gopis. Hearing this reply, the Lord said in ecstasy, Go on talking! Go on talking!. Thus Srivasa described the transcendental mellow pastimes of Sri Vrndavana. In the beginning Srivasa Thakura described the transcendental sweetness of Vandavana's pastimes. Hearing this, the Lord felt great and increasing jubilation in His heart. Thereafter the Lord again and again asked him, Speak on! Speak on! Thus Srivasa again and again described the pastimes of Vrndavana, vividly expanding them. Adi 17.237 Srivasa Thakura extensively explained how the gopis were attracted to the forests of Vrndavana by the vibration of Krsna's flute and how they wandered together in the forest. Adi 17.238 Srivasa Pandita narrated all the pastimes enacted during the six changing seasons. He described the drinking of honey, the celebration of the rasa dance, the swimming in the Yamuna, and other such incidents. When the Lord, hearing with great pleasure, said, Go on speaking! Go on speaking! Srivasa Thakura described the rasa-lila dance, which is filled with transcendental mellows. ********************** In His incarnation as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Lord Sri Krsna descended to deliver all the living beings in the three worlds, from Brahmaloka down to Patalaloka. He caused their deliverance in three ways. The Lord delivered the fallen souls in some places by meeting them directly, in other places by empowering a pure devotee, and in still other places by appearing before someone Himself. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu delivered almost all the fallen souls by directly meeting them. He delivered others by entering the body of Nakula Brahmacare and by appearing before Nasiahananda Brahmacare. I shall deliver the fallen souls. This statement characterizes the Supreme Personality of Godhead. PURPORT The Lord always manifested His avirbhava appearance in the following four places: (1) the house of Srimati Sacimata, (2) wherever Nityananda Prabhu danced in ecstasy, (3) the house of Srivasa (when kertana was performed), and (4) the house of Raghava Pandita. Lord Caitanya Himself appeared in these four places. When Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was personally present, anyone in the world who met Him even once was fully satisfied and became spiritually advanced. Every year, devotees from Bengal would go to Jagannatha Puri to meet Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and after the meeting they would return to Bengal. Similarly, people who went to Jagannatha Puri from various provinces of India were fully satisfied after seeing the lotus feet of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. People from all over the universe, including the seven islands, the nine khaeoas, the planets of the demigods, Gandharvaloka and Kinnaraloka, would go there in the forms of human beings. ******* The Lord's chariot passed over the seven islands of the middle universe, each with its ocean and its seven principal mountains. Then it crossed the Lokaloka boundary and entered the vast region of total darkness. In that darkness the chariot's horses lost their way. Seeing them in this condition, O best of the Bharatas, Lord Krsna, the supreme master of all masters of yoga, sent His Sudarcana disc before the chariot. That disc shone like thousands of suns. The Lord's Sudarsana disc penetrated the darkness with its blazing effulgence. Racing forward with the speed of the mind, it cut through the fearsome, dense oblivion expanded from primeval matter, as an arrow shot from Lord Rama's bow cuts through His enemy's army. Following the Sudarcana disc, the chariot went beyond the darkness and reached the endless spiritual light of the all pervasive brahma-jyoti. As Arjuna beheld this glaring effulgence, his eyes hurt, and so he shut them. From that region they entered a body of water resplendent with huge waves being churned by a mighty wind. Within that ocean Arjuna saw an amazing palace more radiant than anything he had ever seen before. Its beauty was enhanced by thousands of ornamental pillars bedecked with brilliant gems. In that palace was the huge, awe-inspiring serpent Ananta Sesa. He shone brilliantly with the radiance emanating from the gems on His thousands of hoods and reflecting from twice as many fearsome eyes. He resembled white Mount Kailasa, and His necks and tongues were dark blue. Arjuna then saw the omnipresent and omnipotent Supreme Personality of Godhead, Maha-Visnu, sitting at ease on the serpent bed. His bluish complexion was the color of a dense raincloud, He wore a beautiful yellow garment, His face looked charming, His broad eyes were most attractive, and He had eight long, handsome arms. His profuse locks of hair were bathed on all sides in the brilliance reflected from the clusters of precious jewels decorating His crown and earrings. He wore the Kaustubha gem, the mark of Srivatsa and a garland of forest flowers. Serving that topmost of all Lords were His personal attendants, headed by Sunanda and Nanda; His cakra and other weapons in their personified forms; His consort potencies; and all His various mystic powers. Lord Krsna offered homage to Himself in this boundless form, and Arjuna, astonished at the sight of Lord Maha-Visnu, bowed down as well. ********* Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu enjoys His pastimes with His immediate expansion Nityananda Prabhu. His pure devotees and His three purusa incarnations always accompany the Supreme Lord to propound the sankirtana movement. (Adi. 7.18-19 purport)

"Vasudevam sarvam iti" means that spiritual emotions gradually become mature and are perfect. All is supervised by Krisna or internal energy. Krisna is present at a sound. We as are interested with each detail connected to Krisna. When gopis have met Krisna on Kuruksetra it is the strongest moment. This sight between Krisna and gopis it is especial. Krisna it is most attractive during this moment. First there was this life Vrindavana which will seemed to go eternally. Then Krisna has gone in Mathura and heart gopis was simply broken off, when the chariot began to disappear from a kind. But they have not gone in Mathura because they follow this internal mood of fidelity. All pure devotees follow such especial mood of fidelity. For example as Yasoda connected Krisna a cord. But mood gopis that they do not rush after Krishna. They would not want that Krisna leaved - " the downpour let will begin and never will end, never. Let rain pours eternally, that Krisna would remain here ". But Krisna has left also the ambassador all it has been executed non-material feelings. And further time has stopped. One second of 12 years, the second second of 12 more years, is not present a gleam. But gopis did not go anywhere. Gopis - " Mathura such big city, Krisna now is well-known, and we simple girls Vrindavana, villages how we can seem there? Queens Dvaraka and Mathura are so beautiful, what we, simple herdesses in comparison with them? " This mood, does gopis especially attractive for Krisna. Krisna thinks in Dvaraka of them, they think in Vrindavana of Krisna. But gopis think - " Krisna it is so beautiful, all girls Mathura already belong to it. But ... we, we, we.. " They simply cry, because they cannot go in any comparison with queens Dvaraka. We can understand their feelings? Eventually Krisna is not present c them, therefore it is possible to speak everything, but Krisna here is not present, Krisna in Mathura. Whether they do not know they will meet Krisna in general once again! They to hope, hope, but Krisna does not come. They to hope, but they as accept the everything else! For this reason there Is this statement - " I have nothing to pay back them. " For THIS love gopis. (Obviously that sermon Srila Prabhupada makes a start from such moods and such mood will gradually bring us to some understanding of this meeting on Kuruksetra.) As as gopis are pure and are not envious, therefore they are pleased to all news about Krisna. They are happy as that Krisna has found such great success including having married on 16000 queens. They envy certainly queens and each of gopis can dream only what to leave in marriage for Krisna. Therefore Krisna does not descend from a lotus of their heart never, under all circumstances. They are happy that His happy, instead of that they are happy. Whether it married on queens, whether he battles is to girls as it is pleasant to see beloved by the hero. And Krisna likes especial type of fidelity, as a matter of fact it not especial type of fidelity, it is pure fidelity or the perfect fidelity. Gopis are so modest, that do not apply at all on what after Krisna has left. Gopis the most trusted satellites of the God, but in this case they would be glad though only to look once again at Krisna. Such fidelity, such love, captivates Krisna. They accept that He has left, they accept that it has chosen others. They accept even that possible it in general can not return. It also is the perfect spiritual humility and spiritual love. But Krisna it is happy in Dvaraka and all gopis want to listen to these news. And then on Kuruksetra they again meet. After these games Vrndavana has passed how many that of time. Feelings gopis became stronger. Yes, such situation does their feelings in relation to the God even more strongly and more strongly. Krishna looks more chivalrous and is covered with a few dust and glory of all of His fights and feats. It is dressed as prince in gold ornaments and it behaves as always easy. It on a way to the native village, such, very native. It recollects everything, including gopis. It knows everything, including them completely disinterested fidelity. On Kuruksetra much who meets Krisna, his relatives and friends, and during this moment when all of them meet, there comes this pause. But this pause actually concerns only He and gopis. Because first of all He sees only them. All last lilas Vrindavana and it is especial years of His absence are carried by between them. And gopis look at him and they see as far as Krisna is attractive. It is attractive it not that word, it simply does not leave their eyes. And Krishna sees as far as their love to they is great. And hardly later gopis understand that Krishna has returned to them. It not warm friendly or related attitudes, it something another. It as not attitudes Dvaraka though refer to such attitudes can in a word. Though such attitudes can formally concerns to one category, but these are absolutely different attitudes.... Krishna the God and consequently it the expert of pleasure. That the God submits all the qualities, is His eternal position. That that Krisna can make for example happy anyone, it is quite possible for him, it a source of all and all qualities. It knows heart of everyone, therefore these games of an inner world do not stop for one instant. All are happy in His society. But Krisna also the maximum expert on pleasures or spiritual happiness. Therefore it knows as to increase this pleasure repeatedly, how to make this happiness special. And this special happiness will consist in such pure fidelity gopis to Him. This special happiness gopis and this special happiness of Krisna. And the reason of such mentality gopis, is KRSNA, please, agree with it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif The essence of fidelity gopis which does their so charming Also is those.! That Krishna the center of all and independence of Krishna simply strengthens such attitudes. But on the external plan in this meeting on Kuruksetra friendly and related attitudes are more shown, and all gopi bhava is latent in the greater degree. It is not shown by all and to everyone, because such behaviour, it as a part of this mood. It is a little more, and later again begin game, the jealousy and not clear image combined humility and rebelliousness again will begin. Rukmini devi reflects humility Srimati Radharani, and Satyabhama for example, reflects pride Srimati Radharani more. Or, in the other case, one wing reflects more humility, another pride, but all this in an ideal is combined. This spiritual alternation of pride and humility for example, essence of all occuring events Vrindavana lila. But on Kuruksetra such relation reach the peak because these attitudes and love, are shown there in all essence. Later gopis again will start that to be at war among themselves for Krisna to abuse Krisna, to glorify Krisna, to send it of a note, and Krisna will discuss with Subala those or other tactical actions. But force of all of their attachment to Krishna will be shown as and in separation good luck. Madana-Mohan, the one who brings happiness both in attachment and in separation. The God of love and the God of separation.

"In the Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika, verses 147 through 153, it is stated: “The pleasure potency of Sri Krsna formerly known as Vrndavanesvari is now personified in the form of Sri Gadadhara Pandita in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.” Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has pointed out that in the shape of Laksmi, the pleasure potency of Krsna, she was formerly very dear to the Lord as Syamasundara-vallabha. The same Syamasundara-vallabha is now present as Gadadhara Pandita. Formerly, as Lalita-sakhi, she was always devoted to Srimati Radharani. " Therefore worship Gaura Gadadhara this worship in mood Laksmi or Rukminidevi "Gadadhara Pandita’s pure ecstatic love for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also very deep. It was like that of Rukminideve, who was always especially submissive to Krisna." But in the SUPREME sense worship Lord Caitanya as to Krishna, actually is rasa bhas. "Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has described Lord Caitanya as Krsna Himself with the attitude of Radharani, or a combination of Radha and Krsna. The intention of Lord Caitanya is to taste Krsna sweetness in transcendental love. He does not care to think of Himself as Krsna, because He wants the position of Radharani. We should remember this." Lord Caitanya Itself personally, the example, has shown perfection of a spiritual life and as we know He and "has not established" relations. Too most and in example Madhavendra Puri. Nevertheless as one of moods and the prime target to which aspire devotee, Gosvamis have described moods of a meeting. It is remarkable, that Rupa Gosvami describes mood of separation as much enough - "141 This poem is concerned with the most confidential and profound of Krishna’s lilas" Sri Hamsadutta But it as a rule is not mentioned, in this sphere have developed a stamp - " Rupa Gosvami describes direct devotion". Moreover, many it is clean in the advertising purposes anyhow discuss this theme as it is those " true Gaudiya ". The mood Lord Caitanya is considered sometimes as bajana, anticipating meeting Krishna lila. As just in case, recollect verses that if who that was in mood Lord Caitanya he any more would not be in alive. But Srila Prabhupada writes that Lord Caitanya learned ALL the personal example. As Lord Caitanya plays a role perfect uttama adhikari, for example when all animals sang after Him to Hare Krishna a mantra - an example of the true uttama. " Those who are neophytes or even a little progressed in devotional service should not try to imitate the maha-bhagavata. Rather, they should only follow in their footsteps. The word anukara means “ imitating, ” and anusara means “ trying to follow in the footsteps. ” We should not try to imitate the activities of a mahä-bhägavata or Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Our best efforts should be exerted in trying to follow them according to our ability. The maha-bhagavata's heart is completely freed from material contamination, and he can become very dear even to fierce animals like tigers and elephants. Indeed, the maha-bhagavata treats them as his very intimate friends. On this platform there is no question of envy. When the Lord was passing through the forest, He was in ecstasy, thinking the forest to be Vrndavana. He was simply searching for Krsna. " Srila Prabhupada sang also all world sang after him. He has gone round globe of times 15-20 for 10 years and has opened 108 temples, showing all that it is quite possible, having written thus 60 more books about a spiritual life from a level prema - pure love - madhurya rasa. Disciples Srila Prabhupada have gone round globe everyone, time already on 30, here business that not in quantity, here business that that having gone round the ground of ONLY 15 times that, Srila Prabhupada has distributed KC everywhere. From zero. He was so noble, that has not taken any disciples from the brothers in the God.) Anybody is more, except for ISKCON is not concerned neither about cows, nor about children, about varnasram, (and what for) and all great bhaktas are occupied "prema". Cows let cut, because at us the love to the God has developed! Pure devotees - uttama! - He in fact about all worries, He all carries the true blessing, the true humility and the true love. Varnasram it wants to establish SBST, her and the beginnings having entered both sanyas and brahman initiation. Therefore about that that " Lord Caitanya has rejected all these curtseys varnasram " so what for then Ramanada Ray in general has mentioned varnasram? In the other case this dialogue would consist of one question - and one answer. And what for then SBST entered this institute varnasram? At that time were only in fact "babaji" which only "prema" developed, having rejected the everything else? When SBST began to give lecture on Radha kunda on Upanisadas, that " all this at once has been declared gyana ". In opinion of "scientists" babaji such lectures as on Upanisadas. Sanyasa for which that so much copies break, sanyasa it in fact varnasram institute or who that will argue? At babaji is not present sanyas, at babaji is siddha pranali - a spiritual body, perfection of a spiritual life? Siddha pranali it is necessary, what for sanyas? From "prakrita rasa" SBST - 8).. A bonafide spiritual master never tells his disciple, “ You are absorbed in the mellows of divine rasa. ” 9) The genuine spiritual master never claims, “ I am absorbed in the mellows of divine rasa. ”... 16) The awakening of transcendental emotional ecstasies (bhava-bhakti) is never said to occur before the practice of regulated devotional service (sadhana-bhakti). The performance of regulated devotion with faith limited only to such beginning regulations can never give rise to spontaneous devotional service (raganuga-bhakti). ( the second offer imho is sufficiently actual for ISKCON, and the first for all Gaudiya Matha which preaches certain "love" not following any gradual process described in Srimad Bhagavatam. Bhagavatam it is discussed in pair offers, would see it Srila Sukadeva Gosvami! And further it is discussed at once - "love"! /images/graemlins/smile.gif) 22) No one can ever experience the sprouting of pure ecstatic emotions without first following the regulated injunctions of the scriptures. One who does not give up materialistic faith can never attain the stage of spiritual attachment in devotional service. 26) Without knowledge of transcendental truth (siddhnta), no one's heart can ever be spiritually attuned with Lord Krisna 28) One who is lazy in properly understanding the Vaisnava philosophical conclusions can never become free from anarthas, the unwanted bad habits and philosophical misconceptions that impede devotional service. 53).. The genuine spiritual master never finds fault with the devotional path shown by the great devotees (maha janas). (in our case in Srila Prabhupada) 64) After rasa has factually awakened, one never indulges in the mentality of regarding any other soul as a disciple. 65) The highest devotee, who is like a king among the rasikas expert in relishing devotional mellows, never thinks that he has disciples... ------------------- They should not preach ISKCON (on what actually is not confused the part GM "literatures"), to they should go safely in a material world, that, shy, but on the sly began to occur. And to everyone who is in ISKCON, I want to tell, that if to you to us will sow this "madhurya" idea most likely it not for the blessing will be be. It simply the form of trade also what it to understand it is enough to open such sastra as Srila Jiva Gosvami or SBST. It is even better to open Srila Prabhupada, primary acarya, that is essence all Gosvamis. Actually Srila Prabhupada also teaches raganuga bhakti. And the part of others "raganuga" sources is profaned enough, not including that there is full of mistakes. If to you all the same and you want only exaltation in comprehension of the elect then all this quite approaches you. "Radha dasyam" it concerns to Krishna lila and practically is not present at all in Gaura lila at such kind. Most close followers Lord Caitanya are His expansion to His mood of His aspiration to KRISHNA, it and is the Radha dasyam. Love Radharani in this case is so boundless, that everyone operate as Her direct expansion, everyone think of Krishna because Radharani it is absorbed by Krishna. Everyone who follow in the steps Lord Caitanya , and in our case it sastra Srila Prabhupada, they follow this basic mood Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Srila Prabhupada did not emphasize on Krishna lila, moreover He is direct in several places sastra quite clearly speaks, that the person should not apply for direct relations, though all this is clear that not mechanical activity. Sastra Srila Prabhupadas fidelity is written as in such a manner that various sort sahajiya and as all anyhow profaned on a level of a sound (In the theory it can be and is not profaned, that does not make such sermon pure ), will not touch these books. These books including are written that would be quite possible to avoid such defilements. And on the contrary, having dialogue with pure devotee, anyone can progress actually gradually. As any another sastra can be understood COMPLETELY only through Srila Prabhupada's books. In any case it is necessary to receive all from a pure source that is very important! In Gaura lila all gopis operate as sanyasis, brahmanas and panditas. The majority of satellites Lord Caitanya such as Svarupa Damodar, Haridasa Thakura, Srivasa Pandita, Gadadhara Pandita and Ramananda Ray also never visited Vrindavana. "Nonetheless, we find many nondevotees, Mayavadi sannyasis, prakrta-sahajiyas, fruitive workers, mental speculators and many others with material motives going to Vrndavana to live. " "Although anyone living in Vrndavana somehow or other is benefited, the real Vrndavana is appreciated only by a pure devotee. " "Presently, the members of the Hare Krsna movement throughout the world live in materially opulent cities, such as London, New York, Los Angeles, Paris, Moscow, Zurich and Stockholm. However, we are satisfied with following in the footsteps of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and other acaryas. Because we live in the temples of Radha-Krsna and continuously hold hari-nama-saìkirtana-the chanting of Hare Krisna - we consequently live in Vrndavana and nowhere else." As to ablution in Radha-kunda Srila Prabhupada writes that in Nectar of manuals - "It is stated that a devotee will at once develop pure love of Krsna in the wake of the gopis if he once takes a bath in Radha-kunda. Srila Rupa Gosvami recommends that even if one cannot live permanently on the banks of Radha-kunda, he should at least take a bath in the lake as many times as possible. This is a most important item in the execution of devotional service. " To swimming and lap it is FORBIDDEN! But to accept ablution it it is recommended. Prabhupada as did not welcome a mantra of type - " Radhe, Radhe " - "Jayadvaita: Just like sometimes we'll hear our men. They'll be chanting... Like yesterday I heard that someone was chanting, “ Nitai-Gaura, Nitai-Gaura, Nitai-Nitai-Gaura. ” Like that, I'll hear different mantras. Someone is chanting: “ Radhe, Radhe, Radhe, Radhe, ” like that, at kirtana. Prabhupada: Well, that is not done by the acaryas. But there is no harm chanting "Radhe." But sometimes it is degraded to make something new, invention. Therefore better to stick to “ Hare Krsna” When we sing " Hare! " It also is " Radhe! " we sing - "Hare Hare! ", only all this occurs authoritatively. Srila Prabhupada teaches madhurya rasa in mood Lord Caitanya, He as is basic disciple SBST and as the basic acarya for all kali yuga and all devotees, trying to find protection of internal energy. Here business not that there is "our" guru and where that is "your" guru, here put in true (pure devoted service). For that what to understand true or pure devoted service for this purpose it is necessary to study sastra in the first - all over again and in the second - it is consecutive and in the third - following in the steps pure devotees. There is no necessity for various sorts brochures" with quintessence ". Books for that also wrote, that them would study as it is necessary. It as in the West issue for example "War and peace" such as love istory in comics what there can be the "war and peace", any? As if in books there are contexts and implied senses as in books ritviks they are better for burning out respectfully, it not Prabhupada, all this is profaned and to read such "books" or citations senselessly. Or in books of many of the organization, there in fact so much unknown contexts, it is simple a certain mix - suspension. That all such books and intended only on those who in general understands nothing. Only the one who at all did not read anything, that really has spiritual sense and taste (rase) can be involved such brochures. Though as there is such obvious fact, that those who studied Srila Prabhupada's books and so their spiritual life and were interested, they as can find a certain hand-made article for a spiritual life and quite happily itself feel. Though actually as a rule they more often in anxiety, it is especial disciples Prabhupada at whom is though what that feeling of conscience. The fact remains as also that anybody from Prabhupada's disciples received "uttama" management and does not show any seen or readable attributes of realization. And on the contrary, in ISKCON there are enough the persons working at a real level of self-comprehension. As a rule in such real spiritual life and spiritual practice, the person operates enough submissively why that, as against a various sort sahajiya-invited and kanistha adhikari not knowing anything except for deities or guru - successfully resisting to all other gurus or the most supreme guru but in what it is particularly expressed anybody does not know, in it it is necessary to trust simply all heart. If your guru uttama in what it is expressed? At uttama guru - uttama disciples, even should be a little. Pure devotee does not discriminate in races about what as Srila Prabhupada speaks. What for they discriminate? They have commented on all SB? In with NBS, everyone who has not realized greatness of the God, their understanding "madhurya rasa" is at a level of material relations. SUTRA 23 TRANSLATION On the other hand, displays of devotion without knowledge of God's greatness are no better than the affairs of illicit lovers. SUTRA 24 TRANSLATION In such false devotion one does not find pleasure exclusively in the Lord's pleasure. We modestly are silent that all disciples of many gurus is disciples Srila Prabhupada's, sometimes besides also reinitiation, that is the serious insult. Still one fact will be, that all some organisations very carefully supervise all adherents. The standard one - you should accept all as is and the most secret knowledge will be, that your guru the best, that's all. And a various sort of a reasoning, instead of give the God of doubt, it does not concern to " pure devoted service ". Such position very much approaches for sincere matajis, girls on own are simply inclined to trust the nature sincerely. But Prabhu frequently with burning write treatises or console itself " that and ISKCON bad " or "here is madhurya". Unfortunately their inferiority complex in connection with their leaving from ISKCON and was not resolved. " The equal relation to siksa guru and diksa guru a secret of success in a spiritual life " but if you do not receive a spiritual life at again found gurus, from here all your complexes, it is simple absence of the spiritual life replaced now on - " and my guru is better ". And for this reason Srila Prabhupada has written books because the various grade of a deceit suffices everywhere. Everyone who are separated, cannot be considered the bona fide parampara, it against instructions SBST and it against Srila Prabhupada's instructions. But the fact will consist as that if to whom that this idea that he ( his guru, the country, the earth ) most above will get rid of it very difficultly has got already in a head. So, it is extreme on the nonsense and false pride all sects and live. Certainly, if you want to trust simply in what it is books for you, friends. Take open Jiva Gosvami and look as looks the true sermon. In one of the organization in general any philosophy does not exist, the philosophy varies on weather. Yesterday the soul at them did not fall, today already falls (and what difference for love that? One problem that those who really are at a level svarupa - know such things.) - Srila Prabhupada spoke the disciples to not go anywhere! The person has vision in be respective with OWN position, therefore those who have not reached an spiritual world, they do not know how the soul comes in a material world. This concept, that a source oppress Lord MahaVisnu it actually impersonal concept. The person can recollect all down to a level impersonal brahman. But impersonal brahman is not a source of soul. As they say in Brahma samhita - isvarah paramah krisnah, a source of all is the God, Krishna. from Jaiva Dharma - “ The eternal nature and duty of the individual soul is service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If he forgets this duty, the individual souls comes under maya's control. Then the soul stays away from Lord Krsna. That staying away from Lord Krsna means that the soul enters the material world." As has written SBT in Harinama Cintamani - " The founder-acarya of the sampradaya is the principal siksa guru for the entire disciplic succession. Speculations that contradict his teachings are to be immediately rejected. " " All your life can not suffice what to understand depth of my books. " Srila Prabhupada. All successors and followers Srila Prabhupada are in ISKCON and there can not be no speech that who that still except for ISKCON represents Srila Prabhupada. And as Srila Prabhupada repeatedly spoke about it. ISKCON it not the name, ISKCON is Srily Prabhupada's books, Srily Prabhupada's mood and His true and true disciples as against all His other disciples who simply have not shown sufficient neither belief, nor a maturity, neither fidelity, nor spiritual understanding or that deceived. Srila Prabhupada did not authorize ANYBODY from His brothers in the God becomes siksa guru for ISKCON if there is what that doubts, I can give you citations about everyone who why that applies for this role. Actually wrong siksa also has brought so much problems in ISKCON, in introduction of system "Gaudiya Matha " - " zone acarya ". It not Prabhupada's idea, is idea of those who did not begin to follow instructions SBST and after has divided the organization of own spiritual teacher, have decided to make too most and with ISKCON. "So we shall not think that this is my zone, that is his zone, just like the Indian and Pakistan nation are thinking, and then there is war, no. Lord Caitanya has given us the task to spread His message all over the world, and any process which may be useful for facilitating this business, that we shall gladly adopt, never mind his zone or my zone, that is material designation. But we shall always do everything in cooperative spirit and avoid any fighting amongst us, that is Vaisnava attitude because Lord Caitanya has advised us to always offer all respects to others, especially to the devotees of the Lord." --------------------- Lord Caitanya plays many roles, nevertheless the supreme concept or the supreme mood of fidelity will be what to follow in the steps Lord Caitanya directly. The head of six Gosvamis it Rupa Gosvami - "Personal associates like Gadadhara, Svarupa Damodara, Ramananda Raya, and the six Gosvames (headed by Rupa Gosvami) are all situated in their respective transcendental humors. Thus the Lord submits to various positions in various transcendental mellows." But among personal satellites the head it Svarupa Damodara. Svarupa Damodara the head of all Gosvamis as- "But the Lord is understood only in pursuance of the principles laid down by the Gosvamis, headed by Svarupa Damodara. " "Sri Svarupa Damodara Gosvami was the principal figure among Lord Caitanya's confidential devotees. The records of his diary have revealed these confidential purposes of the Lord. These revelations have been confirmed by the statements of Srila Rupa Gosvami in his various prayers and poems." "Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Sanatana Gosvami are the two principal followers of Srila Svarupa Damodara Gosvami, who acted as the most confidential servitor of Lord Sri Krsna" " Svarupa Gosvami is the most intimate associate of the Lord." Adi 4.105 As the closest satellite Lord Caitanya, Svarupa Damodara also specifies that Gadadhara Pandit plays role Laksmi devi, because role Radha (but only in separation) is played by Lord Caitanya. Though Gadadhara Pandit this embodiment of all internal energy, nevertheless, in this case He does not operate thus. "Svarupa Damodara Gosvami has described Lord Caitanya as Krsna Himself with the attitude of Radharani, or a combination of Radha and Krsna. The intention of Lord Caitanya is to taste Krsna sweetness in transcendental love. He does not care to think of Himself as Krsna, because He wants the position of Radharani. We should remember this." ------------------- A class of so-called devotees called the nadéyä-nägarés or gaura-nägarés pretend that they have the sentiment of gopés toward Lord Caitanya, but they do not realize that He placed Himself not as the enjoyer, Kåñëa, but as the enjoyed, the devotee of Kåñëa. The concoctions of unauthorized persons pretending to be bona fide have not been accepted by Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya has accepted the role of Rädhäräëé, and we should support that position, as Svarüpa Dämodara did in the Gambhérä (the room where Lord Caitanya Mahäprabhu stayed in Puré). He always reminded Lord Caitanya of Rädhä's feelings of separation as they are described in Çrémad-Bhägavatam, and Lord Caitanya appreciated his assistance. But the gaura-nägarés, who place Lord Caitanya in the position of enjoyer and themselves as His enjoyed, are not approved by Lord Caitanya or by Lord Caitanya's followers. Instead of being blessed, the foolish imitators are left completely apart. Their concoctions are against the principles of Lord Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu. The doctrine of transcendental enjoyment by Krsnacannot be mixed up with the doctrine of transcendental feeling of separation from Krsnain the role of Rädhäräëé. From the life of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu, an intelligent person engaged in pure devotional service can understand that He always felt separation from Krsnawithin Himself. In that separation He sometimes felt that He had found Krsnaand was enjoying the meeting. The significance of this separation and meeting is very specific. If someone tries to understand the exalted position of Lord Caitanya without knowing this, he is sure to misunderstand it. One must first become fully self-realized. Otherwise one may misidentify the Lord as nägara, or the enjoyer of the damsels of Vraja, thus committing the mistake of rasäbhäsa, or overlapping understanding.

***in most cases diksa also teachs.. otherwise what is the use to surrender to a master... Diksa guru it is siksa guru too? Thus? Yes. But if "living guru" teach not for line founder-acarya... I am write about this moment. OK?

In Russia in festival "Grusa" - the festival of the song. One night (3) Radharani come. It is for 3 days festival. Not in whom this night of kirtan was written down to the tape recorder. In this festival come 1 000 000 people for 3 days and 1000 devotee. Camp devotee go 100 000 persons. Now will go festival Divnomorsk 28 sent. In last year this go 3000 devotee. Is certain the matter not in a quantity, but when many devoted sing, then - golokera prema dhana. Soon in Russia of those devoted it will be more than in India. jaya Radhe, India. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

But then needs follow teachings Srila Prabhupada?

***When reading the books Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, you should think, "He is instructing me." O, it is wery good teachings.