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I believe this is incorrect, and that Srila Prabhupada wanted the JD to be printed. No he is speak - "I am take all for you needs from SBT." From Jaiva dharma - It is the living entity's constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Krsna because he is the marginal energy of Krsna and a manifestation simultaneously one and different from the Lord. Forgetting Krsna, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy (maya) gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence. Spirit, which is conscious and pure, and matter, which is inanimate, are opposites. Therefore it is not really possible for the conscious spirit soul to have a relationship with unconscious and inanimate matter. The individual soul is a small particle of spirit. Nevertheless, one of the Supreme Lord's potencies makes some individual souls somehow have a relationship with matter. The potency that does this is called tatastha sakti. The individual soul is spiritual. Nevertheless the spiritual soul may be placed under the control of inanimate matter. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master of the illusory potency maya. Maya is under His control. On the other hand, the individual spirit soul may in some circumstances find himself under the control of maya. Therefore the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the individual spirit souls and the illusory potency maya are three distinct entities eternally. The individual soul may sometimes find himself under the control of the illusory potency maya, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead is always the controller of maya. In this way the individual spirit soul and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are different eternally. The eternal nature and duty of the individual soul is service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If he forgets this duty, the individual souls comes under maya's control. Then the soul stays away from Lord Krsna. That staying away from Lord Krsna means that the soul enters the material world. It is not possible to give an historical account describing when, in time, the soul first fell into the material world. That is why it is said 'anadi-bahirmukha' (the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial). This staying away from Krsna and the time of entering maya's world are both different from the soul's eternal nature. They are perversions of it. Lord Krsna is the totality of spiritual existence. He is like a sun from which many spiritual universes have come. The individual spirit souls are rays of light from that Krsna-sun. There are many individual spirit souls. Forgetting Krsna, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy (maya) gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence. To this I reply, You cannot speak in that way. If my opponent then protests, 'Why not?' then I reply: From Lord Krsna limitless individual souls are manifested as His parts and parcels. Still, Lord Krsna is not diminished even slightly because of that. In all the Vedas it is said that the individual souls are like sparks emanating from the blazing fire of Lord Krsna. However none of these comparisons give a completely accurate picture of the real truth. The examples of the great fire and the spark, the sun and the rays of light, and the alchemists stone and gold do not describe the entire situation. Therefore, rejecting these material analogies, one should look inside his heart and there he will understand the truth of the soul's nature. Lord Krsna is the great spiritual being and the individual soul is the infinitesimal spiritual being. Lord Krsna and the individual soul are one in the sense that they are both spiritual. However, Lord Krsna is the complete whole and the individual souls are only parts of the whole. That is the difference between them. Lord Krsna is the supreme attractive, and the individual spirit soul is attracted to Him. Lord Krsna is the supreme controller, and the individual spirit soul is controlled by Him. Lord Krsna sees all, and the individual spirit soul is observed by Him. Lord Krsna is perfect, and the individual spirit soul is poor and lowly. Lord Krsna is all-powerful, and the individual soul is powerless. Therefore the eternal nature or religion of the individual soul is to be a faithful servant of Lord Krsna eternally. But when the individual soul is in contact with the illusory potency maya, the soul's pure state is not manifested When he forgets the service of Lord Krsna, the soul finds himself situated in the material world of repeated birth and death. However, when he comes into contact with the illusory potency maya, the soul becomes impure. When he is in contact with the illusory potency maya, the individual soul is covered by a body of gross and subtle material elements. First, the soul identifies himself with the subtle material body. Second, he identifies himself with the gross material body. Third, he identifies himself as the subtle and gross bodies mixed together. In this way the soul's conception of his identity becomes changed. In his pure state the individual soul is an unalloyed devotee of Lord Krsna. When the soul thus has a false conception of his identity, his original nature becomes perverted. That pure love is seen in the gross material body in an even more perverted way as material eating, drinking, and a host of other so-called pleasures derived from contact with inanimate matter. --- GM do not follow for SBT you follow for babajis and kanistha guru then so little realisation. It is SIMPLE things Prabhu /images/graemlins/smile.gif I am first reader Jaiva Dharma yours guru do not read jaiva dharma never /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

Soul is eternal, relations eternal. It is so difficult for understanding? Eternal - no begining no end. E-TE-RNA-L. So difficult? Soul - sat cit ananda. Cit it is your siddha deha. Krisna is too Cit He is supreme Cit, sourse all. And ananda it is YOURS relations. Supreme ananda FOR KRISNA it is Hara, Srimati Radharani. Soul SAT -------- CIT!!! -------- ANANDA!!!! E-TE-RNA-L It is so dificult? They is mayavadis? Soul only sat? But ananda no? It is foolisnes.

Hey Krisna, you good preacer, all site flow in your great entusiasm. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

***, then SBT preach them. then SBT preach them sambhoga. Sambhoga (direct relations) it some step in spiritual life.

I am first who really reading Jaiva Dharma. Another way what so many gurus do not know - soul fall? Nobody from GM do not read Jaiva Dharma carefully. In Jaiva dharma SBT write - "really spiritual pain is most higher hapinees". You read Jaiva dharma? /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) You needs citation? Materialists do not able understand vipralambha, then SBT preach them.

SP speak - "do not print Jaiva dharma in ISKCON". Jaiva dharma write about sambhoga Krisna lila. We do not follow artifical metods meditation. If you be follow SP then yours relations show. All sambhoga for neopfits and for who do not has spiritual reason. SBT begin preach and He is preach for neophits. It is obviously. SP give all needs from SBT, all most highe. In Jaiva Dharama SBT write - "soul fall from spiritual world".

Soul fall from place where not time, then in sastra write -"beginless". In spiritual world not material time. In what time soul fall? She fall from space where NOT TIME. Then sastra write - "beginlees". In what moment soul come in material world? In ANY time, because spiritual world big more than ALL TIMES MATERIAL WORLD. Then - "beginless". Soul come from place where not beginig and no end, then beginless. You feel brahman boys? /images/graemlins/smile.gif "Brahma bhuta prasannatma" - with position brahman person serve Lord. In other sense it is materialism. They write "bhava" but not able understand simple things. Then needs learn spiritual science step by step, another way is useless. Pratistha /images/graemlins/smile.gif "gopi, bhava" - pratistha. All lilas in equal level, all rasas too. In santa rasa they see all lilas and they fell SAME filings as gopi or gopas. Spiritual world absolute. Santa rasa reflect all rasas, they stay in all rasas really. Santa rasa it is not stupid matery. It is souls, great souls, all mistik powers, all spiritual powers. They see all lilas, they feel as all anothers devotees. it is spiritual world it is ABSOLUTE. No duality. Understand? In spiritual world no envy. But ANY concrete rasa has SPECIFIC relations with Lord, then all devotees HAPPY own specific relations with Krisna. Yasoda happy is Krisna Her son. Gopis not has Krisna as son, but Yasoda - yes. First needs understand spiritual contecst unity. It is not good from envy speak - "this more good". Gopis not has Krisna as husband. Krisna left from gopis any time. If you so "love" Krisna as you be gopi? You be wife Krisna and He is never left you. Sooo strong "love". /images/graemlins/smile.gif Needs UNDERSTAND all SB first. Needs understand - Lord Brahma, Siva, Dhruva, Prithu Maharaja... All search $ and sex. $, sex and "madhurya" rasa. Prithu Maharaja? No, no, we madhurya rasa /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) Needs understand greatness Lord. Pure raganuga do not cultivate. Sadhana-raganuga it is vaidhi bhakti, it is real worsiping Laksmi Narayana. If you gopis, then Krisna take yours. IF YOU REALLY GOPIS /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) Or you gopis and you catches Krisna? matajis catches Krisna? It is Kubja. Gopis catches Krisna? It is matajis? We do not know WHAT likes Krisna, then some akts like crazy. Needs follow for acarya. Nobody do not so great as Prabhupada, Srila Prabhupada expansion Lord Caitanya. Needs simply follow. "All heart all reason".

"attained" Soul is eternal. Spiriutual body - eternal. Relation with God - eternal. Soul it is YOU. You NOW has this relations, but it is cover maya. Eternal relations with God you transform in relations with maya. Maya it is too divine sakti. Soul fall from spiritual world it is write SB and CC. In highe sense soul not fall, because she is eternal relations. But for us more actually - falling soul. We fall and cover illusion. Any way Lord not create soul in material world. Soul born in spiritual world. Krisna do not has ANY motive create soul in material world. Maha Visnu not create soul, soul it is parts Krisna, then you has relation with Krisna. Materialist think - "soul born in material world (or brahman - impersonalism) then he is go in spiritual world." It is foolisnes. Any way - spiritual world eternal or not? If spiritual world eternal then you stay in spiritual world eternally? You understand? If you "attained" spiritual world - then you stay in spiritual world eternal? "Eternal" means - not begining, not end. You understand? NO BEGINING Understand? You "attained" but NO BEGINING you stay in spiritual world ETERNAL You understand? You relations with God too eternal. Relations not tomorow "be eternal", no, relations NOW eternal. Understand? It is life spiritual world. Soul only cover, soul eternal, relations eternal. Then needs uttama guru, yours kanistha guru not know simply things.

I don't mean to make you feel unwelcome, but I am having a hard time understanding you. I'm sure I'm not the only one It is simply question for Raga. He is speak this or not. Thanks for you atention.

Very good, but I'm afraid that you and kailasa have misunderstood my point. I know that there is "information" in BB and BRS about the other rasa, but my main point is that Gaudiya Vaisnavas are taught that gopi-bhava is on the "highest" level. As mood Lord Caitanya. Sabhoga - no. In mood Lord Caitanya ALL rases rise in level madhurya vipralambha. Siva right too, first - all rases equal. We write "low-highe" in material motives, politiks motives, then Siva right. Yes? Another point - in mood Lord Caitanya all rases go in highe position. It another sence - mahavadanyaa avatara /images/graemlins/smile.gif It is good discussions. Thanks for all. Thanks Murali! /images/graemlins/smile.gif You wery kind.

Without serving Krsna according to the vidhi-marga regulative principles of the pancaratrika-vidhi, unscrupulous persons want to jump immediately to the raga-marga principles. Such persons are called sahajiya. There are also demons who enjoy depicting Krsna and His pastimes with the gopis, taking advantage of Krsna by their licentious character. These demons who print books and write lyrics on the raga-marga principles are surely on the way to hell. Unfortunately, they lead others down with them. Devotees in Krsna consciousness should be very careful to avoid such demons. One should strictly follow the vidhi-marga regulative principles in the worship of Laksmi-Narayana, although the Lord is present in the temple as Radha-Krsna. Radha-Krsna includes Laksmi-Narayana; therefore when one worships the Lord according to the regulative principles, the Lord accepts the service in the role of Laksmi-Narayana. In The Nectar of Devotion full instructions are given about the vidhi-marga worship of Radha-Krsna, or Laksmi-Narayana. Almost all the conditioned souls within the material world are envious. Jealous people generally turn against one who automatically attains some reputation. This is natural for jealous people. Consequently, when a devotee is fit to receive worldly reputation, he is envied by many people. This is quite natural. When a person, out of humility, does not desire fame, people generally think him quite humble and consequently give him all kinds of fame. Actually a Vaisnava does not hanker after fame or a great reputation. Madhavendra Puri, the king of Vaisnavas, bore his reputation, but he wanted to keep himself outside of the vision of the general populace. He wanted to cover his real identity as a great devotee of the Lord, but when people saw him overwhelmed in the ecstasy of love of Godhead, they naturally gave credit to him. Actually a first-class reputation is due Madhavendra Puri because he was a most confidential devotee of the Lord. Sometimes a sahajiya presents himself as being void of desires for reputation (pratistha) in order to become famous as a humble man. Such people cannot actually attain the platform of celebrated Vaisnavas. In this connection, we should be careful about the so-called siddha-pranali. The siddha-pranali process is followed by a class of men who are not very authorized and who have manufactured their own way of devotional service. They imagine that they have become associates of the Lord simply by thinking of themselves like that. This external behavior is not at all according to the regulative principles. The so-called siddha-pranali process is followed by the prakrta-sahajiya, a pseudosect of so-called Vaisnavas. In the opinion of Rupa Gosvami, such activities are simply disturbances to the standard way of devotional service.

"Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura writes in this connection that Sri Radha-kunda is the most select place for those interested in advancing their devotional service in the wake of the lady friends (sakhis) and confidential serving maids (manjaris) of Srimati Radharani. Living entities who are eager to return home to the transcendental kingdom of God, Goloka Vrndavana, by means of attaining their spiritual bodies (siddha-deha) should live at Radha-kunda, take shelter of the confidential serving maids of Sri Radha and under their direction engage constantly in Her service. This is the most exalted method for those engaged in devotional service under the protection of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu." Note the use of the word "attained". If the spiritual body is within oneself as some here are saying, then where is the question of attainment? "One should bathe there regularly and give up all material conceptions, taking shelter of Sri Radha and Her assistant gopis. If one is thus constantly engaged during his lifetime, after giving up the body he will return back to Godhead to serve Sri Radha in the same way as he contemplated during his life on the banks of Radha-kunda ... By serving Radha-kunda, one can get an opportunity to become an assistant of Srimati Radharani under the eternal guidance of the gopis." - NOI, Text 11 The eternal vraja-vasis like Svarupa Damodara did not even come to Vrndavana dhama. Sri Pundarika Vidyanidhi, Haridasa Thakura, Srivasa Pandita, Sivananda Sena, Sri Ramananda Raya, Sri Sikhi Mahiti, Madhavi devi, Sri Gadahara Pandita Gosvami never visited Vrndavana dhama. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura writes in this connection that Sri Radha-kunda is the most select place for those interested in advancing their devotional service in the wake of the lady friends (sakhis) and confidential serving maids (manjaris) of Srimati Radharani. Living entities who are eager to return home to the transcendental kingdom of God, Goloka Vrndavana, by means of attaining their spiritual bodies (siddha-deha) should live at Radha-kunda, take shelter of the confidential serving maids of Sri Radha and under their direction engage constantly in Her service. This is the most exalted method for those engaged in devotional service under the protection of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu." one must follow the instructions known as Upadesamrita, which have been given by Srila Rupa Gosvami. Srila Rupa Gosvami has given many other books, such as Bhakti-rasamrita sindhu, Vidagdha-madhava and Lalita-madhava, but Upadesamrita constitutes the first instructions for neophyte devotees. Prabhupda: Very good. These are for higher devotees, not for the neophytes. For neophytes we have translated Bhakti-rasamrita sindhu, Nectar of Devotion. You have seen our books? ======================================= There are two kinds of transcendental feelings for those engaged in the worship of the Lord. One is called sambhoga, and the other is called viraha. According to authorities in the disciplic line, viraha worship is more palatable than sambhoga worship. Sambhoga takes place in direct touch, whereas viraha takes place without such direct contact. Lord Caitanya Mahäprabhu taught us to accept viraha worship. In the present state of affairs we cannot make any direct touch with the Personality of Godhead. But if we practice the viraha mode of worship we can transcendentally realize the presence of the Lord more lovingly than in His presence. The gopis provide the highest example of such unalloyed love of Godhead, and Lord Caitanya at the ULTIMATE stage of realization displayed the viraha worship in the mood of the gopis.

Fair enough that you quoted CC. However, where in "authentic Gaudiya tattva" have you found teachings on dasya, vatsalya and sakhya-bhakti? In Nectar Devotion. You read? No? /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm sure you'll agree that the main focus of Gaudiya teaching is gopi-bhava. In what mood? "The gopi bhava of our sampradaya is more commonly referred to as manjari bhava and specifically as bhavollasa rati. It extends in spiritual excellence to mahabhava and within that to adhirudha-madan-mahabhava. Devotees who attain this spiritual status identify themselves as handmaidens of Sri Radha and vicariously experience her ecstasy. This is no doubt the furthest reach of Sri Caitanya's own experience and the most prominent sentiment found in the Gaudiya sampradaya." Madhavendara Puri founder sampradaya kalpa vriksa. They stady some texts Rupa Gosvami's do not understand full Gaudiya. This is Krisna lila it is standart Krisna lila. Lord Caitanya and devotees Lord Caitanya in another mood, mood Gaura lila. Lord Caitanya take mood Srimati Radharani most exalted and distribute This mood. They do not understand Lord Caitanya and Gaudiya Vaisnavism. All gopis, manjaris, gopas, all go in Gaura lila. In Gaura lila ALL devotees ALL rasas who follow Lord Caitanya lifting in MOST supreme mood. Babjis and some GM do not understand this. Krisna lila it is some step in spiritual life. Really not Krisna lila supreme target. Anyway sambhoga not supreme mood. It is speak Rupa Gosvami, SBT and Srila Prabhupada. They not understand what means "rupanuga".

what about Hamsadutta? Nikunja yuno? What about mood Lord Caitanya? Nikunja yuno? Sambhoga it is not Gaudiya line it is sahajiya line.

Hey Raga it is YOU speak "Prabhupada not rupanuga"? Yes? or Not? It is understable? I am try write very clear for you.

Hari bol

There are people who think of themselves as qualified advocates of true rupanuga-siddhanta without having a guru who is engaged in rupanuga-bhajana-sadhana. Ohhh, yeeesss. But... you know where we may having a guru who is engaged in rupanuga-bhajana-sadhana? We search real rasika guru! I am feel big greed. Without real "ragatmika" guru we never do not reach rupanuga-bhajana-sadhana! It is right Raga Prabhu? You has this wonderful guru? Oh, of course i am sure - Raga Prabhu has real guru. What stage you Raga Baba - nistha? bhava? ...prema? You decorate young sakhis? You assist divine couple? Ohhh, you so happy person. You make true rupanuga-bhajana-sadhana. All people! Who desire make rupanuga-bhajana-sadhana! Come and take siddha pranali for rupanuga-bhajana-sadhana! Scientifics mantras, half-side "rupanuga" /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Raga, where Srila Prabhupada deviation from Rupa Gosvami. Pls give me list this "deviation". Yours disciple Kalki, silent as stone. He is write aparadha for Srila Prabhupada but not able give arguments. You able give arguments?

"...people who have been told "manjari bhava is the highest" and who then want to attain the highest thing may not be real raganuga practitioners at all. Rather, they may be people seeking a mental goal for reasons of personal vanity." Good. I was thinking more in terms of one lady who used to frequent these forums, who was following the "gopi bhava" path, and who used to mock Uddhava because Uddhava said he said he wanted to become a blade of grass in Vraja in his next life. The gopi-bhava lady used to say "Radhey Radhey" all the time, and she really wanted to be a gopi and nothing less than a gopi. Good. Another sence - SBST teach most higher mood.

Hare Krisna Siva Prabhu, i am very glad again see you /images/graemlins/smile.gif Madhurya rasa is the highest rasa because it is the sweetest rasa, It is right. But it is some context. In example vipralambha not so sweet, but real higer position is vipralambha bhava. You write some right context only. Anyway gopis, manjaris is most pure in they love. (I am do not speak about some falses gurus-folowers, rasikas as manjaris /images/graemlins/smile.gif They pollute all pure devotional servise theyr material motives. ) You above right write about this. ANY rasa has exlusive moments. Then ANY rasa unikally(?). But in lila Lord Caitanya ALL rases go in higher level. In this case no any difference in all rasas. Ramananda Ray is Pandava Arjuna but in Gaura lila He is close friend (sakhi) Lord Caitanya. Ramananda stay in highest level. If some gurus preach only "madhurya", it is sekts simply, like Vallabhacarya.

Thanks Muralidhar Prabhu you inspire me.

Madhavendra Puri kalpa vriksa, He is not manjari. Manjari higest in Krisna lila because they do not desire for himself ANYTHING. Gopi bhava means - "All for Krisna, nothing for me". Ouer(?) greed is Kubja /images/graemlins/smile.gif) "Krisna sweetness" Manjari bhava - "all womans for Krisna" In Finland many womans? All womans Finland for Krisna? Yes? No? Oh, they needs BRS and siddha pranali may be /images/graemlins/smile.gif) May be 80% Finland womans from dasya Vaikuntha, but greed... No, no, they all manjari, needs siddha pranali. May be you lift theys in madhurya rasa? Hmm it is good. What you metods lifting so many material womans in madhurya rasa? /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) You has real, good metods? madhurya metods? greed, lobha /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Spiritual emotions it is some BIG thing. It is OWN desire, it is YOURS heart, do not worry nobody, ALL your heart consist in OWN spiritual emotions, spiritual desires and ALL your specific desires stay in full garmony. We do not lost siddha pranali never. Ours siddha deha it is OWN desires relationship, eternal desires. Real it is all desires Krisna. Krisna sourse, Krisna desire, then all another desires. Krisna so kind, it is real. Needs read SB and follow SB and from SB, Hare Krisna mantra heart clean. You may has not 1 siddha pranali. Devotee may stay in Vaikuntha one siiddha in Krisna lila another in Gaura lila 3. In big sense it is one spiritual body. Real guru, pure devotee, in ANY rasa help for you understand yours siddha deha. Rupa Gosvami write vipralambha more higher then sambhoga it is real rupanuga.

Tis is real simptoms raganuga, lobha, greed and "When the heart yearns for the sweetness of the moods of Krishna and His eternal associates in Vraja, and one is not prompted by scriptural injunctions or logical arguments..." /images/graemlins/smile.gif TEXT 11 TEXT dona-buddhyobhayateto ninedhan na nivartate guea-buddhya ca vihitaa na karoti yatharbhakau SYNONYMS dona-buddhya—because of thinking that such action is wrong; ubhaya-atetau—one who has transcended both (the conceptions of mundane right and wrong); ninedhat—from what is forbidden; na nivartate—he does not desist; guea-buddhya—because of thinking it is good; ca—also; vihitam—what is enjoined; na karoti—he does not do; yatha—just like; arbhakau—a young child. TRANSLATION One who has transcended material good and evil automatically acts in accordance with religious injunctions and avoids forbidden activities. The self-realized person does this spontaneously, like an innocent child, and not because he is thinking in terms of material good and evil.

Sidha pranali it is not main thing. Devotion for Lord it is siddha pranali. From devotion, yours siddha pranali emanate. Mood Lord Caitanya it is supreme, from this mood person EASY take own siddha pranali. Siddha pranali it is ONLY Krisna lila it is step on path devotion servise. You AKT in Krisna lila, siddha pranali it is some external atributhes. Srila Prabhupada write - "real siddha pranali boundless". Some only worship Krisna lila, but it is not main mood, and it is not whole Gaudiya. Real edukation - it is equal position between Krisna lila Gaura lila it is preach SBT, but pure devotion preach Srila Prabhupada. Pure devotion it is mood Lord Caitanya, and pure devotee expansion Caitanya Mahaprabhu is Srila Prabhupada. Some persons (babajis) do not understand word "rupanuga". babjis do not real rupanugas, but this kanistha adhikari babajis some speak about Srila Prabhupada position.

Acarya it is not necessary to know a Sanskrit. Acarya it is not necessary to write separate sastra. Acarya KNOWS sense sastras. He compiles sastra in order that TO INITIATE in the certain mood of people. Mission acarya is those. Sastras very big also are designed for SET of moods. And acarya it is the one who establishes CERTAIN mission. The spiritual organization it not temples (but they some atribute), false "acaryas", fallen sanyasis /images/graemlins/smile.gif and societys exaltation pradjalpa mans - raganugas, isthagosthis and VNN. /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) The spiritual organization is the certain METHODS and CONCEPTS of a spiritual life. Srila Prabhupada preaches all rasas. He preaches sambhoga as. But the PRIME target He has established as MOOD LORD CAITANYA - top of all spiritual life. The some people can find His comment on Vaikuntha rasas in Srila Prabhupada's books. Others can find Srila Prabhupada's comment on sambhoga Krishna lila. But the prime target is a mood or dialogue with Lord Caitanya - GAURA VANI. All sastra Shrila Prabhupada's conducts to THIS. He takes from works of others acaryas only THAT CONDUCTS IN THIS MOOD. From Rupa Gosvami, Bhaktivinoda, Narottama, Srila Bhaktisidhanta Thakur. THIS means ACARYA. Sastra is not the textbook of arithmetics. It is much more difficult and harmonious thing. What to understand sastra, he should be follow sastra, how it is explained in BG. If the person does not follow the beginning as he will understand top of all sastra? It is possible to read Gosvamis, but not following lectures acarya, what we there shall understand?! Vipralambha Gaura lila it completely self-sufficient and primary emotion from which it is shown both spiritual and a material worlds - ---- " The loving affairs of Sri Radha and Krsna are transcendental manifestations of the Lord's internal pleasure-giving potency. Although Radha and Krsna are one in Their identity, They separated Themselves eternally. Now these two transcendental identities have again united, in the form of Sri Krsna Caitanya. I bow down to Him, who has manifested Himself with the sentiment and complexion of Srimate Radharani although He is Krsna Himself. " (CC) " Radha and Krsna are one, and when Krsna desires to enjoy pleasure, He manifests Himself as Radharani. The spiritual exchange of love between Radha and Krsna is the actual display of the internal pleasure potency of Krsna. Although we speak of "when" Krsna desires, just when He did desire we cannot say. We only speak in this way because in conditional life we take it that everything has a beginning; however, in the absolute or spiritual life there is neither beginning nor end. Yet in order to understand that Radha and Krsna are one and that They also become divided, the question “ When? ” automatically comes to mind. When Krsna desired to enjoy His pleasure potency, He manifested Himself in the separate form of Radharani, and when He wanted to understand Himself through the agency of Radha, He united with Radharani, and that unification is called Lord Caitanya. " (CC purp) " I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Radha, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhes], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa. PURPORT Although the Lord Absolute and His potency are one and the self-same existence, still They exist eternally as separate entities, as Radha and Krsna. " (CC) " Radha Krsna-pranaya-vikatir hladine-caktir asmad ekatmanav api bhuvi pura deha-bhedaa gatau tau. So Radha and Krsna is the one Supreme, but in order to enjoy, They have divided into two. Again Lord Caitanya joined the two into one. Caitanyakhyaa prakaoam adhuna. That one means Krsna in the ecstasy of Radha. Sometimes Krsna is in ecstasy of Radha. Sometimes Radha is in ecstasy of Krsna. This is going on. But the whole thing is Radha and Krsna means the one, the Supreme. " (CC purp) " When Krsna becomes two separate identities, Srimati Radharani and Himself, loving affairs take place and hladini transforms Herself into various loving pastimes. " (Prema vivarta by Jagadananda pandit) " How then did one become two? The pleasure potency of the Lord necessitates the existence of two separate identities, but whence came this pleasure potency of the Lord that created this division? " (Prema vivarta) ---------- Therefore the mood Lord Caitanya is PRIMARY. Krisna lila proceeds from THIS mood. And due to influence of internal energy there is Krisna lila- " Before the pleasure potency manifests Herself, she arranges that Srimati Radharani and Lord Krsna appear as two separate transcendental personalities and the loving exchanges between Srimati Radharani and Sri Krsna causes Her to be born. "(Prema vivarta) From desire Lord Caitanya there is Krishna lila. It is an internal potentiality Lord Caitanya Krishna lila gives rise. The desire of the Lord to have pleasure is given Krishna lila. Therefore the mood of pure fidelity is COMPLETELY SELF-SUFFICIENT. It is primary and it is the supreme mood of an spiritual world. This is teach by Lord Caitanya. This is TEACH also by Srila Prabhupada. Vipralambha Krisna lila's in the certain sense differs from vipralambha Gaura lila. Though it is the same emotion. From the point of view Krishna lila, vipralambha proceeds from a meeting. But in Gaura lila a situation another. "Then, if one understands Bhagavad-gita, one can proceed to Srimad-Bhagavatam, and if one advances further, one may study Caitanya-caritamrta. " "Actually, the Caitanya-caritamrta is not intended for the novice, for it is the postgraduate study of spiritual knowledge. Ideally, one begins with the Bhagavad-gita and advances through Srimad-Bhagavatam to the Caitanya-caritamrta. Although all these great scriptures are on the same absolute level, for the sake of comparative study the Caitanya-caritamrta is considered to be on the highest platform. Every verse in it is perfectly composed. Indeed, Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda are compared to the sun and the moon in that They dissipate the darkness of the material world. In this instance both the sun and the moon have risen together, and it is proper to offer obeisances directly to Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda." Therefore that who only tries to understand Krisna lila it is necessary TO REFRAIN from comments on Gaura lila. VIPRALAMBHA it is CULTIVATED AS WELL AS ANY OTHER SPIRITUAL MOOD. Babaji it is necessary to receive training at Srila Prabhupada, pure devotee number one, expansion Lord Caitanya and source and acarya all Gaudiya sampradaya and to cease to be neophytes. Srila Prabupada in sakhya Krisna lila and madhurya vipralambha in Gaura lila like Ramananda Ray who is Pandava Arjuna - "The Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika (120–24) states that Ramananda Raya was formerly Arjuna." Rules and instructions are established for purpose reach supreme mood. If at whom that the full order with principles then is the idiot. 4 principles it or principles varnasram or a social life. But really it is principles of a spiritual life. Srila Prabhupada so would fix these principles that the person HAS REPENTED and developed spiritually. It not principles of morals as it is made comments by materialists. Only materialists are convinced that all is followed by them simply do not understand purpose of principles. You or bala sanyasi preach and reach Gaura lila through Krisna lila. Or you reach vipralambha- Gaura lila then Krisna lila. Supreme target is Gaura lila, then pure devotees do not preach artificial methods meditation as main methods. Srila Prabhupada teach vipralambha. It is fact. He initiates in this mood directly as. "Not sambhoga. Vipralambha. Vipralambha-seva: "Oh, I am so wretched, I could not serve Krsna. How I can see Krsna? It is not possible." In this way. " To this teach, it cultivate. In Siksastaka Lord Caitanya teach you. Thanks for attention. As my English?