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When ever will the day come? When will indeed the day come and I will come back to the spiritual world? Having seen the true reality, the feelings will come to their senses. And hearing voices in the distance, really, only then I will understand what the word “native” means… _________________________________ There are many things, that can be called acintya – “incomprehensible”, but who has written so skillfully the picture of the spiritual world? The Greatness of God is incomprehensible and the primordial beauty is even more immeasurable. Rising and falling from the rushed up feelings, would I see the source of all this beauty? Sure, only in this case the eternal spiritual wish will be granted.

Supreme mood do not sweet. Krisna revealing himself many ways. Direct darsan it it not simply. If some speak "I'm see Lord Caitanya", but do not preach or distribute books SP, is deceiver. It is test. Any who preach or distribute books SP will be see Lord Caitanya, any who see Lord Caitanya preach or distribute books SP. Needs follow uttma - mahabhagavata or His real followers.

"Yes, everybody says like that, that I am incarnation of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Actually Krishna and Krishna's representative are not different. Anything that is Krishna's is not different from Krishna. Therefore it is said saksadharitvena 'samasta sastrair. The spiritual master is accepted by all advanced devotees as Hari." Srila Prabhupada initiate in mood Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu - vipralambha mahabhava. Supreme point devotional servise, supreme goal all devotional servise.

Yes, it is true. Real guru SBT is Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji Yes, it is true. It is real sampradaya, not formal sampradaya. Yes, it is real connection, vision uttama, It is all not ordinary physical vision. Thanks

No. Needs follow ACARYA. If you follow acarya then you understand most exalted rasa. It is not formal reading. It is SPIRITUAL process. SP theach? most exalted mood. If you follow (dikas guru+siksa guru+books SP) then you understand. Svarupa Krisna lila too, but svarupa Krisna lila not main thing. Gaura lila most superior. It is real. "The pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu are even more ecstatic than the pastimes of Lord Sri Krsna. In Lord Caitanya’s lila the loving exchanges reach their quintessence. " "Lord Krsna, appearing in His full manifestation as Caitanya Mahaprabhu, came to His own abode Navadvipa-dhama where He felt a much great pleasure than in Vraja-dhama. " Prema vivarta Jagadananda Pandit Vipralambha it is top madhurya rasa, it is real. IT IS bring Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada. IT IS gift Lord Caitanya.

Worship in separation is considered by the Gaudiya-Madhva-samprad?ya to be the topmost level of devotional service. According to this conception, the devotee thinks of himself as very poor and neglected by the Lord. Thus he addresses the Lord as d?na-day?rdra n?tha, as did Madhavendra Puri. Such an ecstatic feeling is the highest form of devotional service. Therefore, Vaisnavas in the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya say that the ecstatic feelings experienced by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu during His appearance came from Sri Madhavendra Pur? through Isvara Puri. All the devotees in the line of the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya accept these principles of devotional service. --------------------- If you read comentary sahajiyas you not able understand mood Lord Caitanya. "Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction. " "I have given you TLC, what need is there to read Caitanya Caritamrta translated by someone else. You are right to stop such reading."

Mood Gaudiya it is eternal separation. Serves Radhs Krisna it is Krisna lila, Lord Caitanya bring another mood. Samhoga it is PART spiritual practik, SP write - "for nephits".

All acaryas write this - SBT, Rupa Gosvami, Madhavendra Puri, Srila Prabhupada. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu show own example uttama devotee. ISKCON sahajiyas follow SP, read booka SP, not reead another books. "Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction. " "I have given you TLC, what need is there to read Caitanya Caritamrta translated by someone else. You are right to stop such reading."

Obviously the pure mood of Lord Caitanya is taught only by Shrila Prabhupada. The essence is that since it`s vipralambha mahabhava Lord Caitanya thinks only about Krishna. On top of these emotions He thinks only about Him and nobody more, He does not think about devotion to Srimati Radharani. For manjari are in sambhoga of Krishna lila, they are very attached to Radharani. All of them are Her expansion, they experience Her feelings, they are united with Her.. But on top of vipralambha mahabhava there isn"t anything of the kind, Lord Caitanya feels the emotions of Radharani, that is why He is completely absorbed in Krishna. In the same way all His close devotees (such as Srivas Thakur) feel the same emotions because they are the direct expansion of Lord Caitanya. Since emotions of Lord Caitanya and His mercy is completely boundless, all of them act on the level of direct expansion. There are those who worship only Krishna as neophytes do. Undoubtedly there is egoism in it, but the level of Prabhupada's preaching much more surpasses it, it surpasses sambhoga of Krishna lila also. Therefore those who listen to lectures for sambhoga of Krishna lila cannot understand everything. That is why Prabhupada has told NOT TO USE ANY EXTERNAL INSTRUCTIONS. As for transcendence, Arjuna has shown the best example of transcendence when annihilated even the relatives, following good will of the God, and it`s an example of humility and spiritual position of a devotee. Only Krishna. Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna and nothing more, such is Lord Caitanya"s mood or KRISHNA Consciousness. I hope that finally all the people considering themselves above Prabhupada will conceive it. This is what can come out from willfulness. There is so much chatter about humility... Words fail me. There is so much chatter about faith. So it is necessary to develop knowledge and follow the acarya.

There are two kinds of transcendental feelings for those engaged in the worship of the Lord. One is called sambhoga, and the other is called viraha. According to authorities in the disciplic line, viraha worship is more palatable than sambhoga worship. Sambhoga takes place in direct touch, whereas viraha takes place without such direct contact. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu taught us to accept viraha worship. In the present state of affairs we cannot make any direct touch with the Personality of Godhead. But if we practice the viraha mode of worship we can transcendentally realize the presence of the Lord MORE lovingly than in His presence. Without love of Godhead there is no meaning even to direct contact. During the presence of the Lord there were thousands and thousands of men, but because they were not in love of Godhead they could hardly realize the Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna. Therefore we must first activate our dormant love of Godhead by following the prescribed rules and by following in the footsteps of the authorities who are actually fixed in love of Godhead. The gopis provide the highest example of such unalloyed love of Godhead, and Lord Caitanya at the ---ULTIMATE--- stage of realization displayed the viraha worship in the mood of the gopis. In the mundane world there is also some shadow of such viraha. A loving wife, husband, or friend may for some time be maddened by the absence of the beloved. Such a state of mind, however, is not permanent. The loving husband or wife takes to another and forgets everything of the past. This is so because there is no reality to such relationships in the material world. The spiritual situation, however, is completely different. A bona fide lover of God could never forget Him, even in exchange for everything else. The devotee of the Lord cannot be happy in any circumstance without the Lord. In the absence of the Lord the devotee associates with Him by remembering His separation, and because the Lord is absolute, the devotees feeling of separation is transcendentally ---MORE RELISABLE--- than direct contact. This is possible only when we develop GENUE LOVE for Him.

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu wanted to POINT OUT this intense love of Krsna exhibited by Madhavendra Puri. All Caitanya Mahaprabhus devotees later followed in the footsteps of Madhavendra Puri, serving the Lord without personal considerations. Madhya 4.179 --------------------------- Worship in separation is considered by the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya to be the TOPMOST level of devotional service. According to this conception, the devotee thinks of himself as very poor and neglected by the Lord. Such an ecstatic feeling is the HIGHEST form of devotional service. Because Krsna had gone to Mathura, Srimati Radharani was very much affected, and She expressed Herself thus: “My dear Lord, because of Your separation My mind has become overly agitated. Now tell Me, what can I do? I am very poor and You are very merciful, so kindly have compassion upon Me and let Me know when I shall see You.” Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was ALWAYS expressing the ecstatic emotions of Srimati Radharani that She exhibited when She saw Uddhava at Vrndavana. Similar feelings, experienced by Madhavendra Puri, are expressed in this verse. Therefore, Vaisnavas in the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya say that the ecstatic feelings experienced by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu during His appearance came from Sri Madhavendra Puri through Isvara Puri. All the devotees in the line of the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya accept these principles of devotional service. -------------------------- I offer my respectful obeisances unto Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is compared to a cloud that pours water on fields of grain, which are like devotees suffering due to a shortage of rain. Separation from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is like a drought, but when the Lord returns, His presence is like a nectarean rain that falls on all the grains and saves them from perishing. Madhya 10.2

Rupa Gosvami Stava mala, mala 3 TEXT 240 "Separation from Krsna is better than meeting Him. When I meet Him there is only one Krsna, but when I am separated from Him the three worlds become filled with Krsnas." It is real rupanuga Jaiva Dharma "Goswami: Material love is part of the material world. Lord for Krsna is beyond the material world, and it is also the origin of many wonderful things. Material love is pleasant when the beloved and present and unpleasant when the beloved is absent. When a person loves Krsna and Krsna is present, then the lover experiences the taste of a certain kind of rasa, the rasa of sambhoga-sukha (the happiness of enjoying with Krsna). However, when Krsna is absent, the lover experiences the rasa of vipralambha (separation), which itself produces a specific kind of wonderful transcendental bliss. In answer to one of Lord Mahaprabhu's questions, Ramananda Raya described (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.194) the wonderful bliss the devotee feel in separation from Krsna, a bliss he called 'vivarta'. Therefore what seems here to be suffering is IN TRUTH the highest spiritual bliss." Yes, SP write - SBST come from Lord Caitanya, i am read this in folio.

SBT SBST both from gaura lila, they both come from Jagannatha Puri. SP "Krisna" means Lord Caitanya. SBST manjari, but in Gaura lila all devotees Lord Caitanya rise more highe level. SBST leave His body in vipralambha mood, it is obvious. Svarupa Krisna lila SBST do not so important, His devotion for Lord Caitanya more important. Head all sampradaya Srila Madhavendra Puri is kalpa vriksa, santa rasa. Svarupa as manjaris it is not nain thing in OUR sampradaya. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Guru give for you liberation. In krisna lila not worsipping, not sadhana. In Krisna lila nobody do not worship Krisna as God. You be liberated and YOURS NATURAL EMOTIONS come /images/graemlins/smile.gif Guru do not theach you as kises Krisna /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif Sahajiyas make buisnes for "distributing swarupa". Most of them do not has any swarupa himself. /images/graemlins/smile.gif In general way, lessions SP do not needs raganuga-sadhana. If person rise in madhurya vipralambha, then yours svarupa Krisna lila come NATURAL WAY. Then SBST finis all artifikal methods, no needs any artifical methods. Guru help open you svarupa, yes, any liberated guru may help, this do not needs equal rasa - madhurya-madhurya. SR write - "pure devotee theach all rasas".

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Thanks Prabhu! All glory Srila Prabhupada! It is revelation in 2000 year ... /images/graemlins/smile.gif Lord Brahma (i am do not see His), great emotions /images/graemlins/smile.gif, me head roll /images/graemlins/smile.gif) then i am read books Prabhupada, now me spiritual master speak - Prabhupada is Srivas. Srila Prabhupada is head all devotees Lord Caitanya, He is general Lord Caitanya, He is founder-acarya all sampradaya. "Krisna Balaram" is sakhiya it is obvious.

Pure devotee teach all rasas. Read this in folio. Sriman Narayana do not understand mood gaudiya vaisnavas and Gosvamis Vrinadavan. He is teach only sambhoga Krisna lila it is level for neophits. Sriman Narayana preach sahajiya. "Not sambhoga. Vipralambha. Vipralambha-seva" "The Gosvamis also taught us like that. He r?dhe vraja-dev?ke ca lalite he nanda-s?no kuta?. They in the V?nd?vana remained authorized persons. They were also searching after Krsna. They never said that "We have got Krsna," never said." I am do not able write big writing.

He is start Gaura lila in Navadvipa. He is start movement KC for all world. He is expansion Lord Caitanya. "Yes, everybody says like that, that I am incarnation of Caitanya Mahaprabhu."

Srila Prabhupada is Srivasa Thakur, He is in sakhya in Krisan lila (Madhumangala) and madhurya vipralambha in Gaura lila. Both - madhurya rasa Krisna lila, sakhya rasa Krisna lila rise in Gaura lila on one more higes level - madhurya vipealambha. It is like Ramananda Ray who is Pandava Arjuna. Then Srila Prabhupada vrite - "sambhoga (direct relations Krisna lila) for neopfits"

The pure mood Lord Caitanya is learned Srila Prabhupada. At top vipralambha mahabhava, Lord Caitanya thinks only about Krishna. He does not think of fidelity Srimati Radharani. In sambhoga Krishna lila, manjaris all of them are very much adhered to Radharani, they Her expansion, they experience Her feelings, they in Radharani camp. At top vipralambha mahabhava anything is not present it. Lord Caitanya is in emotions Radharani directly and consequently is completely absorbed by Krishna. Precisely as all His close satellites, such as Srivasa Thakur are in the same emotion. Because they direct expansion Lord Caitanya. As emotions Lord Caitanya are completely boundless, therefore all of them operate at a level of direct expansion. There are those who worship one Krishna as neophytes, in it there is undoubtedly an egoism. But the level of the sermon of Prabhupada much more surpasses it. He as surpasses sambhoga Krishna lila. Therefore those who listen to lectures for sambhoga Krishna lila cannot understand all. For this reason Prabhupada has told NOT USE ANY EXTERNAL INSTRUCTIONS. In top Gaura lila they do not worship Radha. Devotees directly experience HER emotion (consciousness of Krishna). It is the maximal spiritual position, it and means that the soul rises on a level mahabhava. In Krishna lila all is reflection. Therefore there is a gradation of such reflection - gradation gopis, gradation manjaris. But in Gaura lila there is no gradation devotees, because it completely an absolute level.

Srila Prabhupada's books this practical embodiment of the supreme realization, it not the book gyana in it are not present any doubts. The one who studies these books thoughtfully and follows this spiritual taste, gradually will realize a spiritual subject more and more and more. Atah sri krisna namadi - it is impossible simply with help material feelings to realize the God. It is impossible simply listening to histories as entertaining or inspired reading, to reach transcendental. Uniqueness of your books Srila Prabhupada that your transcendental emotions are enclosed in them together with perfect sankhya or reason and logic. Thus the most stupid person will be lifted on top of realization if he follows you. With help the books, you put Own heart in the person. Your compassion, spiritual understanding and your spiritual emotions are boundless. You king in a spiritual life and having given yourselves uncountable to quantity of followers, you as the God, remain are constant. All glory to you! As far as the person would not be stupid, you inspire him all over again one offer and then will lead in an inner world cut the perfect logic all superfluous on road. You stop everyone who tries is artificial to jump in transcendental a subject. Your sermon is thorough, as the embodied eternity. You very skilfully learn, wakening the supreme spiritual experiences. When we come during a spiritual life, what we can know about her or understand in it? - anything. First the person should will be inspired and then when he becomes stronger, you stop him. You deepen feelings of the person what to reach the essence of a spiritual life. This essence will be, that we insignificant servants. But the most insignificant the servant can possess the most significant riches of a spiritual life. And as you the greatest acarya, you train in this raised to a subject. In what a method what to reach the most supreme? The method means that the person all realizes the insignificance more deeply. But a miracle! Realizing more and more insignificant and finding thus spiritual freedom, the person all becomes more convinced than itself and more convinced of a spiritual life. We become stronger thus. It is insignificance it not simply silly feelings, this insignificance is really spiritual experiences. To remain in this supreme mood of a spiritual life, natural actually. Precisely just as natural in the image of suffering from own "inferiority", unexpectedly blossom magnificent experience of direct perception. How many it would be necessary to pass what to find even a little such understanding? For this purpose it is necessary to be consecutive and as it is necessary to perceive really those words which you write in the books. It is necessary to be consecutive, it is necessary to remain the disciple, it is necessary to apply all reason and it is not necessary necessities will deviate in other lectures without special. You gave all true and basic lectures and in it there are no doubts. Your books are unique also that this perfect manual in practical devoted service. In them all is taken already into account - the present, the past and the future, therefore those who read your books they always in the incomprehensible image will be during necessary time and in the necessary place. And as the desire of the God will be what to learn the main thing, therefore always and in all there will be a primate of your sermon Srila Prabhupada. It not a question of the theory, is only practical question. The small particle of knowledge, overturns mountains senseless sometimes heaps, you without effort reject all inventions, feelings and gamble in a spiritual life. Or the small particle of belief, is much better than tons of unbelief. For that what make meditation, is difficult enough process. Therefore you reject aside such attempts of artificial meditation and gradually waken gift of a spiritual life, which in heart at everyone and which does not demand artificial meditation. You write - " it is necessary to leave all vain attempts of self-realization ". This gift does not demand formalities, he does not demand formal brahmanism. Though you ingeniously combine in the sermon all parts of devoted service including brahmanism and meditation, leaving thus a full personal freedom. Those who lean on your lectures, stand on the firm rock which has been not subject to fluctuations of the material nature. Attentively studying your lectures, everyone can understand transcendence oppress under the relation to all material as. Actually your sermon total and time will show this fact more and more and more. I am filled with great inspiration when I think of it. Dear Srila Prabhupada, comes Janmastami - day Lord Krishna. And just as Krishna and Balarama unseparable brothers, is exact as day of your follows at once the Lord Krishna, as you His close friend. And as my guru maharaja has quoted you - " Krishna gives the friends all ". Thus Lord Krishna has given you all and you preach from the universe in the universe, is boundless expanding your society of Consciousness of Krishna - ISKCON

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It is not mood Lord Caitanya. Krisna attract for moha - separation. Separation most strong rasa. Vipralambha. Moha more strong.Srila Rupa Gosvami write this. Krisna see separation Radha then take this mood as Lord Caitanya. Gaudiya is separation Prabhu, gaudiya not sabhoga meeting. It is all spiritual emotions, but Krisna lila know 5000 years. Srila Madhavacariya write about krisna lila. Vyasa write it is well know many autuoritete. Lord caitanya take another mood for world. krisna lila it is preliminary stage spiritual life. First BG, then first canto SB, then second canto SB (not read only! needs go in this level! then 3 canto SB, then 4 cantj SB, then 5 canto SB description hell (you read?), then 6 canto SB, then 7 canto SB (not read only! needs understand really!) then 8 canto SB (not theory Prabhu!) then 9 canto SB (not read as story), then 10 canto - Krisna lila. If yours 1-9 real realisation then 10 real realisation. If yours 1-9 teory then 10 canto teory too. If you understand 10 canto Krisna lila then more hogher - Gaura lila. gaura lila is supreme goal. krisna lila know many personalities, but Gaura lila bring Lord Caitanya ONLY. And pure devotee Lord caitanya - Srila Prabhupada. Srila madhavendra Puri acarya sampradaya stay in vipralambha, Srila Srivasa Thakur, Narottama dasa Thakur, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, Srila Bhaktisidhanta Thakur and Srila Prabhupada. It is real acaryas. Yes. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

"Some devotees call this exhibition of ecstasy by the Lord sata-prahariya bhava, or "the ecstasy of twenty-one hours," and others call it mahabhava-prakasa or maha-prakasa." Mahabhava in Lord Caitanya is highest level mahabhava. Radha's vipralambha in Vrinavan has some time. But mahabhava Lord Caitanya's eternal, Prabhu. It is most supreme level. Lord Caitanya's bhakti rasamrita sindhu dark color it is ONE rasa - supreme rasa. All devotees all rasas may rise in this level, supreme mood. It is real gaudiya vaisnavism.

Radhas vipralambha it is most strong and gigher emotion. Then Krisna take this emotion and make this eternal. It is supereme rasa. SBT, Rupa Gosvami and Srila Prabhupada write this. Lord Caitanya it is Supereme Lord. Gaura lila is most exalted form internal energy.

I was initiated in ISKCON by a Prabhupada disciple in 1978. Huh, it ias real? You disciple Srila Prabhupada?