Bishadi

for sharing that the previous teachers reprsentations could not be complete! That is would be impossible! That knowledge is evolving; we must be honest for the 'good' of life and our children, the future. So a simple question is; are we in the best possible state of existence to offer the maximum amount of data, evidence and words, than ever before in all history? Do you think we as people, within this existence (the total) should be taking off all banners of complacency; to learn and perpare our children, our future, for the new beginning; the truth?

The thread has many tangents each based in personal opinions; at least a few contribute their thoughts versus having to suggest an old teaching; created the term 'evolution', which common sense makes that opinion reveal a selfish approach, based on pride, rather than truth. To echo a teachers response unquestioned is opposing Godhead (integrity). Be honest; many teachers all over the globe had recognized the truth that life is upon mass, as well that light is that very energy (life) upon that mass but who has the words to convey this truth, absolute without having to rely on magic? evolution is a word that has a definition. It was a created form of letters to assist in defining a process observed in nature. For a person to read the book and how the conclusion were derived, then he could best understand what Darwin meant but then there are conflicting material such as what the teacher shared in the quote provided. Apparently the teacher had no clue what was commited to the work and the humility of conveyance, Darwin shared in his book(s). So here we have a real dilema; does the teacher walk on water or not? Nice to be human, isn't it? Words are created to describe experiences. Darwin experienced the process of the progression of life governed by its environment and defined a term called evolution. such that what you learn today may affect what you do tomorrow. Same with any living process. And the last item to observe; do we believe in what nature reveals, unblemished by the hand of mankind... or.... do we believe in magic and that representation by misunderstanding or simply because of not comprehending what is occurring and to 'create' the idea that an omnipotent being (undescribable) magically created all these things we see and experience; just for fun? What a sense of humor!

Perhaps by creationist? Good bet such as a community; if the collective association benefits the 'life to continue' an evolved association develops. Ever notice how birds clean tics from the various beast? Or how bees, pollinate the flowers; the association 'evolved' But what makes the most sense in reasoning and comprehensive understanding: creation or evolution? Do we look at dinosaur bones and simply believe God put them in the ground to employ people?

First the only thing your thread and quotes do is call more question to the integrity of how much people really know. Darwin spent the better part of his years traveling and collecting data. His book was not published until he was well aged as anyone of the time knew it was quite political to offer material that could contradict theological beliefs. The summary was simply to share that a 'process' was involved in which an environment affects the development of species. Just the same as knowledge evolves. Darwin was a contributor of knowledge just as any other person who does for the benefit of tomorrow. The man described a process; he did not create it. the man was a God fearing person but cared more for the contribution to knowledge than his own recognition; a saint in my book!

maybe if you looked up the story; you could share a summary for others to observe perhaps if you have no intent or r u in the 'convincing' business? Narada was telling a story about King Puranjana. Covers quite a bit but the term in question combined with the summary at the end was interesting and the thread was to inquiry on the others perspectives. sharing is always good if between the combining 'minds' a quality set of understanding can be reached so to convince me my friend think of them missouri folk 'show me' share something each person can appreciate that offers peace to thoughts... and remember, if magic or omnipotence is requisite, then you already know it is false; so save it for thought in the stead of imposing a fib to existence.

Perfectly stated! So the rules must comply with nature. Perfect! Now that is Godhead. Thank you as this gift offers another set of learning (another guru) to read up on! when truth 'lives' in such pure honesty; it transcends!

then why this line about the responsibility of diksha: "at least in case of Vaishnava diksha, as per Hari Bhakti Vilasa 1.70: raji catmatyaja dosah patni-papam sva-bhartari tatha sisyartjitam papam guruh prapnoti niscita "The faults of the counselor fall on the king, and the sins of a wife fall on her husband. In the same way a spiritual master attains the sins of his disciple. That is certain." so as them lines above share how foolish these responsibilities are; this diksha suggests the exact opposite as well to see how bhakti is conveyed by acharya; again shares a conflict of responsibility..... Or simply be real careful with the twists of faith When a requisite is maintained to answer in faith rather than comprehension; that guru be just another rascal!

The term of 'unknown' or the 'unknown one' as Narada shares as a friend of King Puranjana, Avijnada; Is this something to further discuss here?

Who is the teacher of compassion? Alive to meet a brother of Peace? This is a call. Self is gone; the meeting to begin the assembly is felt but undescribable in 66' a teacher came to the southern california coast; the same location (approximately) of a birth; even the same year; same cause maybe there was a reason!?!?

To existence.... not the person as nothing was taken 'personal' but to existence, the imposition lives. None are perfect brother as it seems someone thinks we are One; that is a compliment to me as you have an ability to ask for that forgiveness. May brothers live in Peace forever! To your children and fathers (beginning and ending); All love and compassion!

then the contradiction Observance to truth and observance to beliefs are what cause the divisions. Beliefs must continually produce manifestations to describe with; truth lives in absolution. representations that become contradictions, come from the pursuit of the self; seeing them is of the human experience. Comprehending them is Godhead; honesty!

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> this stands out ‘Sri Mahäprabhu says that though formal initiation may not be necessary,’ <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Yet the question is easy; since all words define each experience and name the event to be conveyed. Then each word is of the ‘name’ of Krsna (per se) or better still. Each word describes an experience within Brahman/Vishnu.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Then to assemble the many definitions, understanding is born (realized).<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So then read this line again;<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> and how many ‘letters’ are there in this universe?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And to combine them all would be impossible; but in devotion; much can be understood in consciousness (mind) and eventually what would happen? A choice would be made that will be able to convey the ‘name of God.’ Into a summary of few words born of many within the experience we share of Godhead.

Seems these are old question. Perhaps unasnwered? The answer is predeterminations. To maintain predetermined ideas as to what an experience is to be, rather than observe each as they are and look for the idea to be learned; then a sort of 'hell' encompasses the 'isolation' of the self. each 'set up' their own existence

So in all form, the intent to seek further is the purport of good. Especially as So are you hungry or content?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> Hence the parables and trouble in defining into the words of each period.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> So advice is given, and to know both that the words of the elders, in writing, can be misinterpreted. Such that an acarya (teacher) can assist in maintaining pure comprehension? Makes sense but then often the students can define the parables with the additional knowledge summarized over the generations; for example; the Upanishads and original vedas as they evolved into the Chaitanya’s and then Srila Prabhupada’s works (interpretations). This is a natural progression within Brahman (the evolution of knowledge), in time. Still not isolated from the total, nor without the interrelation (compassion) to existence. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> And since we know Brahman/Vishnu is timeless and without limit in the compassion of life; then all faces of man are of the truth within. Each have written truths and conveyed knowledge. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> To ‘go out’ into the world of Brahman and seek the truth’s unanswered in the knowledge of the fathers, is the duty and in doing so; absolute Love!

interesting <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Makes sense; we are all of the total (existence). <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> This is like assuming the born person is Brahman or Vishnu as a speaking soul (material).<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> So no soul with memories is reincarnated. Good. Just as the disease Alzheimers provides physical knowledge to comprehend this truth; memories of mind are affixed to the body.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Compassion/ entanglement to existence. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> This is self explanatory and can be found quite true; ‘our sense experience so we can observe for definition; to convey.’<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The truth is apparent but the knowledge to comprehend ‘the truth’; is called knowledge.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I disagree….. as suffering is self imposed. Such to stand in the fire, in knowledge; have no fear of life.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Existence is Brahman (the total) to be understood as One with all of us (life). The material offers the senses the ability to learn, describe and convey within the ‘period’ of experiencing (life). As the cycles change in time (Krsna) the knowledge evolves to encompass (love) to both the experience of the material and in the spiritual (mind) of Godhead. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Or simply; without the words how can another understand ‘you’?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> That to literally comprehend ‘life’ and how we exist within Brahman/Vishnu… then we need nothing!<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> In contrast; to ‘think’ we know can eliminate the intent to seek for the tomorrow’s understanding; quite opposite to the ‘intent’ of life; purposed to continue.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> For example: we teach the next generation how to plant the crops.<o:p></o:p>

Did Srila Prabhupada develop and convey beyond his teacher? Did the teacher have the greater impact on the student than the knowledge and literature learned? After the choice to interpret Chaintanya's works into english; did he continue beyond the acarya (teacher)? What was the most important 'choice' of Srila Prabhupada? The intent? The acarya/teacher? Point was the choice and intent of the person enabled the teacher to see the incarnation; not the other way around.

learning how to convey seems if a life is good; then support it babies, teaching and planting seeds; each good, continuing by a conscious choice; for life the more the better. does this make sense?

I disagree. as this concept requires acceptance of another more important than the commitment of the student...(the choice) 'it is advised' ..'recommends'.. are the suggestions as mentioned above.... which makes sense but not required as many of the greatest contributors accomplished much alone a guru can assist in the aligning of ideas, the words still have to be read of much literature; the commitment to the learning represents the primary requisite of understanding/ For example; anyone can watch a DVD or listen to a recording. read more than the guru and the student begins to assist the teacher each person is equally capable with or without a specific sects required ritual.....

where is the nice tan? The travel of a contributor; An old story. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>

<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Such wisdom, yet the variety of definitions may once again take another.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In returning to <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It can be seen how deep the idea of ‘vibrations’ applies. In which all ‘physical movement’ even invisible is the causation to anything, including that vibration upon mass (atoms) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Where in understanding each can see that ‘light’ and all her illustrious wavelengths (colors) is the energy upon mass; life. So to combine the teachings, then it can be realized; life itself is the energy upon mass. <o:p></o:p> Within this realization, then any imposition to existence is of life. <o:p></o:p> Walking, talking, writing and singing; all constitute action within existence. <o:p></o:p> Even to read the words, unmoving upon the paper, begin a life within comprehension, that transcends time in which the old can combine with the new.

This type of item is quite important and there are many areas to apply wisdom. In one example; which is like a warrior on the field not willing to kill; break a precept this is one of the toughest questions on earth what is posted, in an opinion, simply repeated; but there is more

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<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> In which to isolate a self from nature and what is true based on misconceptions of self identity placed into words – comprehension.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Perhaps that mercy is as a ‘self’ removes what it believes true by words and allows the experience to reveal itself. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Senses share the experience to the environment; if silenced hearing is good. Combing the senses with knowledge shares understanding removing all miseries to each experience; walk in peace (Godhead)….<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> To raise a child without doubting the senses, understanding each interaction, then the excitement of accounts would be of little consequence or ‘hell to experience’ in each.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Comprehension begets Peace; understanding solves the riddle. What is the purpose of the flower?

Make sense?

Perhaps your post that assimilated anothers idea? That they can reflect as a mirror. About the teachers requisites; yes! By a sects form of creed.