Bishadi

will look at this and thanks <DD> Makes sense. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> That was quoted from the last paragraph of Origins of Species. The point was to share his recognition; that there is an underlying set of rules that governs. That foundation can be realized and what the truth reveals. <o:p></o:p> In the glossary, the word evolution does not appear nor in the index. <o:p></o:p> <FONT face="Times New Roman">

at least sedation can assist 'your self' with what you want; let some thinking evolve a bit without

trying out the shoes myself ps... thx for the integrity and even solutions.....

So a child is born and opens his eyes. He sees and is beginning to focus in observations, but words are still just blah blah blah.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Ooops, it’s warm… and wet… I will cry (but I am a baby that does not know the word ‘cry’ but is making sounds for comfort just the same)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The Mother’s heart beat sooths during feeding; where am I? Not sure but in that comfortable place. <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> While looking through the cell of this crib; I see ‘out there’ but what is it? One day I will get out.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Then the wheels start working; walking and moving fast but them words are still blah blah blah even when I run into the coffee table and land on my diappered butt. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The sound they call me, Junior. That must be who I am, and that is Momma, the other guy, with the deep voice and soft eyes, I can’t quite make it out but I love to run… gotta go….. Still don’t comprehend all them sounds but “No” means don’t or stop and Dadda is now my new favorite friend when not eating. He shows me things and makes new words as I see what he is pointing at. <o:p></o:p> I saw a tree, when the big door was opened, I saw this real tall thing with big arms and wiggly little leaves (one day I wish to climb that big thing and know what the words are to describe it) Never knew so many other little people existed. RING,RING,RING ‘come on, that’s the bell, we need to go inside the classroom’ is what I heard. The first day in school and all these other little people are gathering to listen to a ‘teacher’. Perhaps this is why I am here at this location away from my home, in this surrounding of big buildings and tall chairs, to learn about things I never even seen.

Now that is LOVE

Is this dialogue? Or simply a one sided discussion; such that when questions are asked on both sides; each honor the articulation with quality intent? Not interested in a faith based debate. Good exists in all of them. So the root of each discussion is being applied in that each person alive can apply lessons to comprehend. Nothing being written is partial or secular to a faith based observance. My point is; there is no desire to damage but build; either you wish a quality dialogue or not, so before any question is answered, as you request, we must reach equal footing and be of compassionate association or not. That is my freedom of religion Between the insults and overriding in rudeness; seems your responses are not of good intent but defiance to the unknown.

‘Spiritual but not religious’ <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> a wish, from person published this week; 'Let Me Worship as I Am' <o:p> </o:p> “Faith is, in and of itself, full of strangeness and coincidence………… I wish I weren’t so hungry for God, so greedy for meaning. I wish I could be ‘spiritual but not religious,’”….. <o:p> </o:p> These ‘feelings’ are being observed from all over the world as many are seeking spiritual understanding. <o:p> </o:p> So during a splash in the pool, (wife just said, ‘the pool is not a bath tub,’ I said, ‘look on the patio table, see the wash rag and soap; what more is required’) the feelings and what is being asked of ‘spiritual but not religious’ was contemplated. <o:p> </o:p> Before sharing the opinion of this ‘i’ are there others that can make a compassionate addition without quoting someone else’s rendition? Meaning how can each person wake up capable of being spiritual without the rituals of faith?

sounds like you are talking about a religion or how the faithful promote faith. Answers are true by the light of reality. Ignorance is maintained in the cycles of faith.

Isn't that term 'disciple' what the beliefs of Christianity uses? Maybe Catholic? Then again, most every preacher of a religion would seek them values in every student. And as the progression continues it seems the teacher would most often be exceeded not only in the periods in time they experience but also in the knowledge and comprehension; as each teacher conveys a progression of understanding from the previous generations accumilation; seems knowledge evolves without much doubt! The statue appears like the Buddha. Have you ever wondered why the ears are often unique on most all renditions of Buddha? is that the requisite of the One true guru? let me see...........?!?!? could be, maybe you would have to come over and see for yourself

Most who claim a faith are taught by the lessons left in writing. So does a physical teacher need to be in presence? NO! They just assist as the truth lives within as it combines with knowledge. But to be literal in rendition; no truths can be realized without the comprehension of knowledge conveyed by a previous teacher, in time. so knowledge can transcend without a guru's presence Perhaps, this is why literature is of such importance as the teachers often write.

Did you read Origin of Species? Ever note that 'theory' has no frame of physics prepared by darwim. Meaning he represented what he recognized as a pattern but did not describe into math, the process in a physics form. Almost like how a religion defines life but not the comprehension of how the cells each play a part and how metabolisms keep our bodies 'alive.' Just like nature; existing well beyond the period that man began words to stone, papyrus, paper and then computer screen. As nature has existed beyond man's written words; the truth has also. But that knowledge is evolving in the presence of existence (God) over time. As the teacher shares to the student, the student combines more knowledge to become the next teacher. The purpose of interacting in such as we are of purposed to combine knowledge so a progression can be put to words for the evolution of knowledge 'to continue' ........ the life of Understanding! Not here to debate! Simply to leave a trail of 'good' and continue the journey. When the time is correct, then the rest will unfold. Do you have faith in GOOD? Then know, there is purpose, find the lesson.

No as the progress of knowledge enables mankind to comprehend existence (Vishnu).<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> It is the combination of truth and dharma, that allows comprehension to be personally experienced rather than a sought objective.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Such to literally experience an event we combine the occurrence with knowledge to define that experience. The sense of religion returns to faith versus truth maintains integrity to that internal (Krshna) experience over and above learned material. then what is it that is misunderstood, specifically? No intent of trying to speculate, just sharing words that apply and can be used; as summary to unifying truths. For example; light is energy upon mass. OR compassion is Love; these are pretty universal but the sciences do not comprehend the importance of light between mass in their cosmological frameworks of even chemistry. Purely put Max Planck was incorrect in maintaining entropy in the ‘constant’; the math is incorrect. This was understood at the age of 16 and a framework on how the human brain works (Photo Neuron Conduction; exchanges between neurons are light, not electrical) was prepared for publication. To shorten the story a promise to existence itself was made that the devoted application of time, energy and cause was to learn and finish the ‘truth’ so that never again will any kid ever have to go through what every person, born, has had to deal with in understanding life. No where in existence does comprehending life, how it works, what ‘good and bad’ are and exactly how we exist been provided so that every person can equally comprehend. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> The math is done (name of God) and has been for over 25 years but no where was the knowledge to be sold or played upon for fame as it is the comprehension and the children that all is for. These 2 decades have been to combine and comprehend how all the religions have all pointed to ‘light’ and how important that concept is and then how many of the rendition are speaking of exactly ‘how the operation works’ but often appear as a riddle since the concept of encompassing literal truths of physical application has been clouded in beliefs, faiths and that nasty acceptance of ignorance. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> IN most all the religions, they speak of the light but most had no realization as to exactly how close and important that concept literally changes all of human understanding. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The understanding of ‘Light’ is that missing link the sciences are all looking for. The reason is that the property of ‘entanglement’ is not included and completely omitted in any relevant application. Such the same as words ‘entangle’ the teacher and the pupil even transcending time.<o:p></o:p> So this goof made a promise and is just recently finding out, that it is what the whole world is awaiting.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> The truth is Absolute! I submit to existence, all that is 'i' for the 'good' of the total. let it be<o:p></o:p>

Not by assimilation. Must? r u the almighty salame You do not represent existence (hindu et al)... Not here for fun nor this line of arrogance and inequality of association at this point, within months all of my possessions will be gone; a choice was made to quit all pursuits for the intent of conveying and from my house to my wife, father and kid, all know my choice even before becoming an adult; and this 'i' has nothing better to do than 'learn and share' every moment the eyes are open...... When a real guru suggests 'come'; then it will be obsevered in the context of the continuance of the truth; not a religion!

Sorry, it is just that only in these last couple years have any of the works (writing) been shared. So since you cannot find a source, it must fit into one of your rascal style definitions. Have you thought maybe you are debating with someone who can help; forget the name, forget the avatar and attitude; ask questions and make the fool of me. So by using your definition; either chanting is 'perfect' to all mankind or it is not real. Don;t answer that as no one wants to see you impose a fib to existence. Existence itself and all the contributions mankinds has to offer; my teacher! THAT IS YOUR OPINION! Krshna is not isolated from existence in a form to worship. The revealing is when each can be equal in understanding for the 'collective conscious' to realize existence. Maybe that equality is a little too personal, compassionate and of Love than you can observe with; "Good Passion and the removal of ignorance' ????

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p>Kind of a funny way of recognizing that the ‘zero ness’ is actually a point with ‘no need of things.’ <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Perhaps as few may think they are guru; cannot understand. So then labeling begins; rather than ask questions. A selfish pursuit! Do you realize this? OK you made an opinion that ‘I do not remind you of …….’ <o:p></o:p> and each idea is ‘light’….. remember, our species ‘creates’ <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> now imagine if the ‘collective’ minds of mankind understood, equally…… <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> then go back to chi (ying and yang) and find the change in time (the cycle) …… if each can create and collective conscious can ‘create’ and we each are of this existence (God), then if a comment was made, that the evolution of knowledge is defining existence (the name of God) and this progression is purposed (brahman) and eventually the collective conscious combined can understand; what do you imagine ‘begets the beginning'? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Then maybe we have a responsibility to be pure with existence (Vishnu).<o:p></o:p> Because it does not fit your definition or do you have a question? Telling me? This life is for this purpose; is yours? No!<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> as a human of compassion does not fib to maintain a belief. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Meaning; what will chanting do for mankind? Perhaps make the teacher, the student, perhaps help the gathering feel good? Why? To be accepted? Which means; all are to be rocks, making sounds. What is ever developed for tomorrow? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> As the word, tone, intent and purpose have no grounds other than faith and misunderstandings, and as your request all people would be walking around making noise but doing NOTHING for existence (Vishnu)….. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> nothing of today would be contributed for tomorrow. Such that if Prabhupada followed the idea of simply chanting as you are preaching, then not a word of Thakura’s request to transcribe into English would never have been done <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> as atheistic as it sounds, the commitment is to the total (existence/God) rather than the self;<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> which is most important?

Maybe sheads light where others can see but confusion is only known when retention and focus is kept in the clouds rather than experiencing what is occurring The truth as it is, not as it was learned. No labels please. This comment is as if to put a name to an opinion; you are creating an "i" to the unknown opinion. Such that since nothing can reveal the opinion or points being read as having a root in a theology, you can read up on, then your 'loss' is in not being able to isolate the causation. Which emotion are you experiencing? To put (the opinion) into a shelf or to begin equality; which is it? And if a reply was to answer your questions, than a pre-determination can be affixed; let's see if you have eyes to know compassion and truth combined into One.

reminded me of a madonna song............. living in a material world! Who needs a picture, a statue, any rendition what so ever? Why even seek such a symbol into the physical? know the teacher by the gift of compassionate understanding; (the words entangling him with you)

At each choice (experience) you have what you learned combined with your integrity. So to view an opinion and be absolutely honest with the reality of that understanding, then the truth lives with God (Vishnu) and you. if a doubt is there; the truth is 'find out' rather than stay in the clouds (return to a complacent representation).... this point of choice is inert and each back peddle is simply a negative by choice Yet to be in truth, seeking, then to become enlightened to the reality, and then convey with no need of self and no requisite to regress to an unknown as fact, then good is reached in Vishnu (krsna conscious) as then it conveys upon existence Then to represent that opinion in a method that can be universally acknowledged, not neccessarily believed as 'clouds' may be in the air but at least observed; then you contribute good. You live in your contributions to existence. for example, see below Seems no man ever to walk on earth was perfect but each are still alive in our minds by the knowledge they contributed to the collective (conscious) way to go an observed truth as well the gift of understanding based on your cause (even if unknowingly) 'hold in' that defense and allow the apology to be accepted by giving life to your words

Perhaps another purport can be mentioned? As even Bhaktivinoda Thakura Prabhupada's son Bimala Prasada was thinking and writing purports, as it is said, by age 7. If all of existence including all time is Vishnu 'incarnate', then it all makes sense. As He is in all, and recognizing that all can offer a lesson (the birds and the bees analogy), then we can be absolute with nothing other than natures truth with no second (man). meaning with the hindu idea of Varna "to choose" is of each interaction we experience; see God in each interaction rather than remain with 'clouds' of man's words imposed to mind. To simplify the choice; keep Love as the pure guide (honor existence; the total, first) in which at each interaction; is it to support life? Good: supports life Bad: loss to the common To experience life with eyes of understanding; then each interaction experienced is with Vishnu; what is the choice?

or in simple words; believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense. which leads to another teachers representation; perhaps to combine the knowledge and words shared by these greats will allow each mind to take up the good in learning and sharing of knowledge for something other than the self preservation but to live in the contributions to the future; the life of existence. The pattern is true simply by the experience. Nothing to contest; walk within.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Perhaps the children are taught how to see this world. It is our fault! We hold onto what we believe as if a thing. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> ‘you are liberated’…… simply we are born conscious! The clouds are the blinders of learned knowledge. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The ‘tiger’ is described or understood by conditioning (learned knowledge coupled with mind-thinking) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We are born with the abilities but again our minds are covered in words and ideas learned. We are already in heaven; place of experiencing choice.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> But to try and comprehend the illusions of coverings (words) often they will not add up. So to understanding a be enlightened in mind, learning and that God inspired intent can be revived at any time the ‘choice’ is experienced into action. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And to realize each choice was and is of purpose, then be honest with the experience and ‘do’ rather than remain tortured in misunderstanding and devoid of peace in consciousness. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Of simply we are often taught conflicting information; to return to peace of mind; follow your instinct to learn and understand; offering Peace of Mind knowing and understanding the experiences of life; (Krsna Conscious)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Of course one may find conflicts of ideas but if you were to look into the eyes of a child, would you wish them comprehension or the discontent of maintained ignorance? (hell) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In the retention of faith; ignorance is promoted. TO hold onto an idea as if 'material', rather than allow the change within Vishnu to evolve; many are clouded in faith. Experiencing and 'being' true to existence (Vishnu) means we are not what is governing the inevitable; the evolution of the truth! Are the faithful clouded in the material? Absolutely! Like holding onto a coin! When we all know, it is not yours but ours (the total) such the same with knowledge... it is not yours to keep and retain as complete, when the total of existence is in constant change (evolution of mind... 'process' to the collective conscious).

the criticizing or ascertain that Darwin 'took' from existence for the self by conveying the experience as his work, is a clear error of judgment based on a lack of evidence and pride (a rascal)

and as knowledge is understood all rituals of the various beliefs will cease comprehending life is the pinnacle of understanding in which each can walk with knowledge to act or cause any action in each experience with perfect good rituals are not in honor of existence but of honor to a belief and the scary part is to realize that a born person such as Jesus and the son of Devaki are being considered God (Vishnu)