amanpeter

jndas prabhu, Might it not be appropriate to create a separate forum category for vegetarianism discussions since many consider it such an important aspect of the spritual path? ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Is it not possible for us to erase our posts, like on VNN? [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-25-2001).]

Is it not possible for us to erase our posts, like on VNN? [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-25-2001).]

Y'all might want to check out: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Don't want to waste space here, but you must know that politically I agree with you, for the most part. As for sub-cultures, I identify with none and thus remain isolated in the midst of this major city. Life can be lonely here at the bottom, too. Enough said, prabhu? ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Perhaps we are misreading each other's posts, prabhu. One thing though, whatever integration or evolution has transformed my heart was/is due sole to His Divine Grace in the person of Sri Radha. By `Supreme Shakti` I meant that I perceived all others as part of Her and continue to see that way ten years after the experience. I find it difficult to share such things here because of the nature of this internet medium. That said, I do appreciate your posts. Sincerely, Peter (valaya at dharma-mela) ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Perhaps we are misreading each other's posts, prabhu. One thing though, whatever integration or evolution has transformed my heart was/is due sole to His Divine Grace in the person of Sri Radha. By `Supreme Shakti` I meant that I perceived all others as part of Her and continue to see that way ten years after the experience. I find it difficult to share such things here because of the nature of this internet medium. That said, I do appreciate your posts. Sincerely, Peter (valaya at dharma-mela) ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Hey BB prabhu, is `punk` better than `dude`?

Just for the record, prabhu, he is NOT my guru nor do I accept any other jiva soul, to the exclusion of others, in that role. My guru/God is Sri Radha ONLY, though I try to see Her in ALL others. I understand how important diksa and parampara are to you, but I believe as Divine Grace personified, in fact it's very source, She is beyond all that and nothing is impossible for Her. All necessary arrangements will be made in this or some future lifetime. At this point, thanks in no small part to my involvement with ISKCON, I am unable to see clearly who is who or what is what, let alone commit myself to anyone eternally but Her. ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Just for the record, prabhu, he is NOT my guru nor do I accept any other jiva soul, to the exclusion of others, in that role. My guru/God is Sri Radha ONLY, though I try to see Her in ALL others. I understand how important diksa and parampara are to you, but I believe as Divine Grace personified, in fact it's very source, She is beyond all that and nothing is impossible for Her. All necessary arrangements will be made in this or some future lifetime. At this point, thanks in no small part to my involvement with ISKCON, I am unable to see clearly who is who or what is what, let alone commit myself to anyone eternally but Her. ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

It may seem so at times, but you have a peculiar kink in your's at ALL times!

Dear Sayyaraj, Very good! Especially your last paragraph and the last sentence in particular. Thank you, prabhu. ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Yes prabhu, but public mockery and humiliation while somehow assuming oneself as superrior is certainly not the best way. I would like to be able to expect better of the participants on THIS forum, at least (there ARE others...). I'm not above or beyond anything, but there's a time and a place. As you yourself said, this may not be the place. Of course, some are always ready to belittle others as a form of amusement, especially when supported within their own peer group. They're called bullies and I certainly had enough of that as a child, thank you. Why encourage them here? ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

AGREED! ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Dear Shvu, Right on! Sadly, but right on! ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Dear Love (great name!), I'm very happy to have your wisdom here. There is another devotee, mostly ex-ISKCON, forum called Dharma-mela where I think you may be appreciated (hopefully) or at least needed (certainly!): http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/homepage/istagosi/mela/mela.htm I could not agree more with your posts on this thread. Personally, my experiece has been with Srimati Radharani. She has revealed Herself to me as the Supreme Shakti and my all-in-all. My only relationship is with HER and I see now that it has always been that way, therefore no conflict remains with evil, Mayadevi, Mother Kali, etc. or other religious beliefs. I am simply in Her loving hands and wholly dependent on Her alone as the very source of His Divine Grace. I would welcome the opportunity to communicate with you on a more personal level regarding our individual experiences which resulted in what appears to be a similiar realization. Please feel free to Email if you like. Thank you, prabhu. ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe! [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-25-2001).]

Dear Love (great name!), I'm very happy to have your wisdom here. There is another devotee, mostly ex-ISKCON, forum called Dharma-mela where I think you may be appreciated (hopefully) or at least needed (certainly!): http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/homepage/istagosi/mela/mela.htm I could not agree more with your posts on this thread. Personally, my experiece has been with Srimati Radharani. She has revealed Herself to me as the Supreme Shakti and my all-in-all. My only relationship is with HER and I see now that it has always been that way, therefore no conflict remains with evil, Mayadevi, Mother Kali, etc. or other religious beliefs. I am simply in Her loving hands and wholly dependent on Her alone as the very source of His Divine Grace. I would welcome the opportunity to communicate with you on a more personal level regarding our individual experiences which resulted in what appears to be a similiar realization. Please feel free to Email if you like. Thank you, prabhu. ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe! [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-25-2001).]

What's right or wrong is not the question here, but whether that particular Email is a good joke or even funny. It doesn't seem appropriate for what is supposedly a spiritual discussion thread. Or does anyone actually believe the exchanges here are leading towards God conciousness? Does anyone even care? Audarya Fellowship, jndas?

Since when are is another's faith, however supposedly `blind` or fanatic, considered a JOKE? Who can deny that such religious sentiments have been the cause of intense suffering for so many? Surely a spiritual forum is not the place to make light of ANYONE'S feelings in this regard, especially by an official administrator who one hopes would be above this kind of nonsense.

For your info: Is It Ok for Us To Read The Books Of _______ das Babaji Maharaj From Radha Kunda? Dear , I do not want to give any criticism and make an offence to any Vaisnava. But, you are asking, so I am replying. All Vaisnavas please forgive me if there is any offense. Our guru varga tells us that those who are sahajiya, sakhi, bekhi, smarta, jata goswami, atti vari, chudadhari, gauranga nagari, owlbaul krtha bhaja, nira, sai, etc. We should never associate with them. In Radha Kunda there are many babajis. Many persons there are doing bhajana sadhana with a pure mood. But many more persons there have an impure mood. This is like introducing a slow poison into a culture, and all it's bad activities. They are writing about and translating all the Goswamis books with nice quotations and with sweet words. But, we do not know if there is some activity they are performing which is a weakness on their part. I have been to many places, and know them, having spoken to them. They think that sex enjoyment is part of our sadhana-bhajana. They say we should take sex enjoyment and simultaneously remember Radha-Govinda lila! Their books, their writings and their disciples are based upon illicit “parakiya” relationships. If they obtain a “parakiya” lady friend they give diksa mantras to her and then think they are asting parakiya rasa. So, there was one disciple of a Radha Kunda babaji, who was rich, and was given the order to do bhajana in parakiya rasa, to find some lady friend to have this parakiya relationship with. So, when he went back to his home in _____ he called his young niece to come to his house and stay with him while he was doing his sadhana bhajan. While she was there he would make her engage in illicit activities. He called her everyday. Finally she complained to her husband not understanding why her uncle was doing this. Her husband came to this disciples home with a group of hoodlums who beat him severly sending him to hospital. The husband told him to do his sadhan-bhajan in the hospital. There are many things like this going on in Vrndavan, Navadwipa, Calcutta, everywhere. There are many apasampradayas doing only bad, bhogus activites and sex enjoyment. They are giving guru pranali, manjari bhava, sakhi bhav, but not having any good behaviour. So they do not know what is the difference between body and soul. They are absorbed in material existence. The Srimad Bhagavatam tells us: yasyapma buddhi kucpi tridatuke swadi calatradisu vomaijadi yatitha budhi salila swayu soukora He is an ass among cows. So, offences, anarthas, are not leaving the heart by performing such bad activities. But they are thinking siddha dasa varamdasa; giving to new people, who are completely unqualified, this secret esoteric knowledge. What is The Remedy For Chronic Nama-Aparadha? When an ecstatic mood comes in our chanting of Hari-nama then all offences will be finished. So we should always serve, be fully engaged, Guru and Vaisnavas, doing bhajana-sadhana. Then offences will not come. By the mercy of Guru and Vaisnavas a pure mood will come into our hearts when our lives are fully dedicated to them only. Jaya Sri Radhe! Your servant, Tridandi Swami Bhaktivedanta Tirtha Maharaja send questions to gourgovinda@hotmail.com ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

For your info: Is It Ok for Us To Read The Books Of _______ das Babaji Maharaj From Radha Kunda? Dear , I do not want to give any criticism and make an offence to any Vaisnava. But, you are asking, so I am replying. All Vaisnavas please forgive me if there is any offense. Our guru varga tells us that those who are sahajiya, sakhi, bekhi, smarta, jata goswami, atti vari, chudadhari, gauranga nagari, owlbaul krtha bhaja, nira, sai, etc. We should never associate with them. In Radha Kunda there are many babajis. Many persons there are doing bhajana sadhana with a pure mood. But many more persons there have an impure mood. This is like introducing a slow poison into a culture, and all it's bad activities. They are writing about and translating all the Goswamis books with nice quotations and with sweet words. But, we do not know if there is some activity they are performing which is a weakness on their part. I have been to many places, and know them, having spoken to them. They think that sex enjoyment is part of our sadhana-bhajana. They say we should take sex enjoyment and simultaneously remember Radha-Govinda lila! Their books, their writings and their disciples are based upon illicit “parakiya” relationships. If they obtain a “parakiya” lady friend they give diksa mantras to her and then think they are asting parakiya rasa. So, there was one disciple of a Radha Kunda babaji, who was rich, and was given the order to do bhajana in parakiya rasa, to find some lady friend to have this parakiya relationship with. So, when he went back to his home in _____ he called his young niece to come to his house and stay with him while he was doing his sadhana bhajan. While she was there he would make her engage in illicit activities. He called her everyday. Finally she complained to her husband not understanding why her uncle was doing this. Her husband came to this disciples home with a group of hoodlums who beat him severly sending him to hospital. The husband told him to do his sadhan-bhajan in the hospital. There are many things like this going on in Vrndavan, Navadwipa, Calcutta, everywhere. There are many apasampradayas doing only bad, bhogus activites and sex enjoyment. They are giving guru pranali, manjari bhava, sakhi bhav, but not having any good behaviour. So they do not know what is the difference between body and soul. They are absorbed in material existence. The Srimad Bhagavatam tells us: yasyapma buddhi kucpi tridatuke swadi calatradisu vomaijadi yatitha budhi salila swayu soukora He is an ass among cows. So, offences, anarthas, are not leaving the heart by performing such bad activities. But they are thinking siddha dasa varamdasa; giving to new people, who are completely unqualified, this secret esoteric knowledge. What is The Remedy For Chronic Nama-Aparadha? When an ecstatic mood comes in our chanting of Hari-nama then all offences will be finished. So we should always serve, be fully engaged, Guru and Vaisnavas, doing bhajana-sadhana. Then offences will not come. By the mercy of Guru and Vaisnavas a pure mood will come into our hearts when our lives are fully dedicated to them only. Jaya Sri Radhe! Your servant, Tridandi Swami Bhaktivedanta Tirtha Maharaja send questions to gourgovinda@hotmail.com ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe!

Here is a site some may find interesting: http://www.reluctantmessenger.com/main.htm [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-23-2001).] [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-23-2001).]

Here is a site some may find interesting: http://www.reluctantmessenger.com/main.htm [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-23-2001).] [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-23-2001).]

I believe `rascal` and `fool` were pretty soft terms for what many of his followers turned out to be. Personally, I wish he'd been a lot harsher in disciplining disciples. Distributing his books and building worldwide temples were the priorities, it sems, at whatever cost. Hopefully, sometime in the future, many more will actually LIVE his teachings and the words `Hare Krsna` and `ISKCON` will be better appreciated by the public in general. ------------------ Radhe Radhe ALWAYS Radhe! [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-21-2001).] [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-21-2001).] [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 05-21-2001).]

The external energy forces us to surrender to the internal potency. As Krsna surrenders to Radha, so must we. ------------------ Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare