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I am with you , indeed i wrote similar point in one of my posts in this thread.

Perfect, Haribol

One of my anscestors ran with a Nrsimhadeva idol from Goa, so he wouldnt become Baptised.. Indeed the book on which they were trying to do this was the same that u are referring to correlate Christianity with viashnawism..You see what I mean...I am not trying to offend here, but presenting a point , I mean SPB has in many instances given signal of how, a vaishnawa is against Islam eg: when he was talking about Nehru, who was more near to Mohamdeens than vaishnawas... hari bol

A very good thread after a long time.. I should congratulate Raghu prabhu for this. I m not biased here w.r.t to western devotees, who have strived so hard to bring forth the real essence of what Sri krishna chaitanya and Srila prabhupada taught. A BIG DHANYAVAD FOR THAT. Neverthless, there are many times, kind of bond created between Abrahamic and vedic relgions, which is not healthy, however this is a very tricky issue as most of the white devotees when join ISKCON, bring also a big history of Karma which they performed being a christian/jew etc. And the reactions of these karma exist even after joining ISKCON and this always raises kinda confusion. This confusion turns out into making kinda a bond b/w sanatana and abrahamic religions. I am pretty sure that eventually, when the truth is revealed, they shall know what raghu is trying to tell here.. until then there is absolutely no point in debating on this issse.. However one debates, one cant get rid of the reaction of past deeds,, on the other hand they might increase by offending each other.. think over it.. Hari bol

But jesus is without tilak!!!

Mind thinks that you are this body and it doesnt know that it gets energy (consciousness) through the spirit soul, only until a Guru teaches and makes you realsies via proper intelligence that you are a soul and not this body ,, in this state you shall realise that the Soul is the real source and Mind is just a media... Hari bol

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Thy shall not kill christianity??????? Guess Bible has been distorted to a level of nothing ... So, it doesnt really matter if Christ told something or not as long as he is not been portrayed genuinly in Bible...Had bible been so pure and reverable, we wouldnt have seen millions getting massacred in south america on the name of this book.. Its coz Krishna has a special grace on Bharath, spanish couldnt come inside India...

You get angry so fast ! thats not good for you,, and as a matter of fact, Baladeva is nothing but Lord Balarama who is also an incarnation of Lord Shesha,... there have been and there will be differences all across this world from the time immemorial and my experience says , jut debating on these issues , rathere sensitive ones, does not yield anything. At the end of the day both of the minds are confused ... THERE ARENT ANYONE AROUND HERE WHO POSSESS CAPACITY like SRIPADA MADHWA OR SRILA PRABHUPADA.to deal with confused mind.. They preached according to the time, place and the people... And you are asking me to put some sense here,, when I see you yourself dont mainitain it. Believe me there is absolutely no point in refuting/rejecting on such issues when, things can be seen in many perspectives... Eg: Lord Krishna and visnu are same,,, Visnu is the lord in a court, who has to be respected and must be worshipped with utmost cleanliness of mind, whereas Krishna is the same lord of court now became the grandfather to a grandson, who sits over his back and bangs his head .. Now eg: if the grand son says, Visnu is nothing but Krishna orginally , then it will be same as a lawyer saying Krishna is Visnu orginally..... But the wise one knows the truth, coz wise one loves Krishna or Visnu and in all his forms, which are transcendental and purifying... I dont want to bring any scriptural evidences to make the discussion more complicated for a Kaliyuga mind... hari bol

Sometimes I think after reading many posts here, why on earth Krishna send many people to send his messages in many different ways.. even after knowing the people around here are just dumpasses and cant comprehend complicated stuff...Or perhaps, the life in a jail cant be similar to the one in heaven,, jail is to suffer and this is just another kind of it...Different theories and people troubled in thier minds with them... I bow thee the one who despells the wildest of the doubts,, Krishna can be understood only by his grace... Hari bol

You seem to be right somewhere, but some of your beliefs such as " Parashurama, Rama and Krishna were born on this planet lived here and died here," clarifies your immaturity in the field of sprituality.. against to your claim here is a verse from yamakabharthja written by Sripada Madhwa <CENTER> reme gopIshhvarihA sa manmathAkrAntasundarIpIshhvarihA | pUrNA.anandaikatanuH sa vishvarukpAvano.ayapyanandaikatanuH || 22||</CENTER>Lord Krishna is of fully blissful body.He incarnates in several forms only to give pleasure to others.He is the remover of all diseases.And He is the Destroyer of Sankhacudasura.Still He enjoyed without any attachment,the company of lovely cowherdesses who had been affected by passion and in whom Goddess Lakshmi was residing. All of Lord's incranations are same and equal in thier potencies,, one should not degrade one incarnation against the other.. This was said by Sripada Madhwa... Hari bol

Good info!

Eg: I say i do belive wat you say!! but whats the use afterall,, we all know it already, there are peopl from differnt worlds hanging out here,, we ourselves indeed from diffrent worlds, paying for the sins...Thats a comman sense isnt it? Hari bol,

Apparently, a biggest similarity between Jews and Indians (sanatana dharma vaadis) is that both sustained the onslaught of Islam and christianity in a big way... Hari bol

First of all I shud admit that u must have been a great devotee right since your last birth, or u must have done such a good thing (punya) in your last life that you got a wondeful opportunity to associate with a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada.. And that makes you a pure devotee,, it does and will not matter what faith you followed, you fall in the category who get the utmost respect in the minds and hearts of the devotees...And may I thank you for all that you have done.... I bend and prostrate against you... Hari bol

I understand your point of view in relation to whatever Srila Prabhupada says, but it does appear that you have engrossed yourself much into the material science that you are not in a position to appreciate the very essence of spirit. Everybody says and inteprets according what one sees, so does a telescope or a microscope, or perhaps a normal human being. To percieve what Srila Prabhupada said I guess first and the foremost thing , is humility.. You seem to completely miss it.. Spiritual knowledge cant be obtained by reading some books here and there , it should be guided thru a spiritual master, perhaps thats the differnce b/w material and spiritual. I have seen many people coming here on this forum with an effort to prove something against to Krishna or srila prabhupada for that matter by reading few paragraphs here and there in some of his books,,great lord ! they lack patience, they are not ready to read it completely.....and ultimately go off the thread without achieving anything.... Afterall you are trusting that science (I am very well aware of the contributon and respect that fully)which keeps on chanigng its theories every now and then more than the spiritual science the science of the sould which, is unchanging.... You ask someone to trust, that which was seen by a telescope millions of light years away and mistrusting the jewel in the hand? Vikram, first read the stuff fully, follow the procedue then I am sure you will appreciate more Srila prabhupada than now,, and also your confusion about his saying just vanish.... Hari bol

poti poti pade jag muha,, Pnadith hua na koi dhai achar prem ka pade so pandith hoi...

Disgrace to my country,, and now listen, " Vysasadeva has told me that he had written Bhagavatm "!!! Now do you think I should believe on fickle so called scientific thoery of bla bla bla....

Thats the right path and way to debate:)

Simply, you see the way you are being shown,, now it does matter how the shower shows his stuff to you, isnt it?

My mother never used Ghee from outside, she always makes herself..

Paths are different for different people. Thats bound by past life deeds. Those folks try to build the same biblical buliding , perhaps cud have tried different ones, some small and yet some larger ones, Krishna wouldnt have punished them then... The clashes comeforth due to the differnce of opinois on the same subject.. And also sometimes due to the ignorance of the debaters to bring the same meaning but in differnt ways.... As long as one is not harming, one should not be unncessarily challeng someone's view as that shall bring unncecessary cocoction in individual's mind. Krishna is in his heart and he knows perfectly how to take the person to the desired state... Afterall what matters is how much Krishna loves you and how much you are honest. Krishna is simple he is Sarala , and the truth is always sarala, so krishna is the truth. He doesnt need to be defined by the boundless scriptures,, And then its my viewpoint which is fully based on my past life deeds,, I dont challenge anypne here.. Hari bol

I rather keep myself numb on such issues as there are many great sages giving many different intepretations.. Krishna is not understandable, otherwise why there is always different (slightly) schools of thoughts on the same subjects... Hari bol

The question still remains? why does one think one will be happy without Krishna... A being in Vaikunta-> fully knowledgable->why does he then ever think he will be happy withiut Lord? This question bugs me always as a matter of fact... Jaya jaya Govinda

I encountered a mystique few years back , who uised to say that he could see all demigod in his heart, he worships Lord Ganesha ardently though..Everyone is indidual soul and has a different relation with the supreme lord, one gets according to one's relation with the lord...