talasiga

This is attraction to the Divine in a form that one has not yet recognised as Divine .....

<u>Topic: The Development of Devotional Movements in India </u> Satyaraj: For certain those Sufi’s techniques aren’t from the fundamentalist Islam. Talasiga: Yes, religious fundamentalism is generally at odds with the mystic sensibility and my understanding is that <u>fundamentalist</u> Muslims are not much enamoured with Sufism. Satyaraj: These are Tantric techniques found in many Pañcaratras. Talasiga: You must be using "tantra" in a broad sense. No fault in this but it must be acknowledged that Tantra is therefore not the exclusive domain of the Pañcaratras (BTW, how do you do these diacritical marks/accents?) Lama Anagarika Govinda has discussed the differences between the Buddhist Tant[r]ism and the Hindu Tantrism. If I recall correctly, he proposes that the latter is a perversion of the earlier Buddhist Tantrism. Satyaraj: As obviously Tantra is oldest than Islam and Sufis, we should consider that in fact it was the Tantra who has influenced Islam and not otherwise. Talasiga: <u>Historically</u>, Tantra must be accepted as older than Islam and Sufism. Also, many regard Sufism as being older than Islam (although not under the name "Sufism" which is a relatively modern term). Some Zoroastrians (followers of the ancient pre-Islamic Persian religion of Ahura Mazda) claim Sufism is sourced in their ancient Aryan religion (I use "Aryan" here as a linguistic reference to mean a religion whose scriptural sources are in an Indo-European language - the Avesta is in ancient Persian which is a sister to Sanskrit). However an examination of <u>influences</u> can be made in different contexts and the PRECEDENCE of a particular influence may vary from context to context. I am happy to discuss this further if you wish to abseil with me ...... edited to correct typo. error [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-30-2001).]

I absolutely love it when you write like this. But fear not ! You won't find me a peering fan at your dawn doorstep. (You are certain to say something that will upset me soon ) Yes, I have not yet seen a greater painting than my weather worn village aunts sweeping the cowdung hearth in a thatched kitchen. ________ Gauracandra, I thought this quote has a place in this thread: ".....Chaitanya aimed at the culture of the emotions, and thus arose a subtle classification of love, which could be cultivated in many ways...... love is the supreme regulating principle of the universe. The universe is a poem, and the spiritual soul alone is privileged to read its deep poetry." Mohinder Singh Randhawa & Doris Schreier Randhawa, Kishangarh Painting page 5 Vakils, Feffer and Simons Ltd Hague Building 9 Sprott Road Ballard Estate Bombay 400 038 (NB no ISBN appears in the edition that I have) . . . . . ------------------ talasiga@hotmail.com [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-28-2001).]

<u>Topic: The Development of Devotional Movements in India </u> Earlier statements from this same book:- "Another contribution which Islam made to the Hindu religious thought was through Sufism. In fact there are many common ideas in the systems of the Sufis, the Greek Neo-Pythagoreans and the Hindu Vedantists. The Sufis also believed in union with God through love. The first conspicuous exponent of Sufism was the woman saint, Rabia of Basra (ob. 801). The subsequent development of Sufism took place in Iran, a country with a population, Aryan by race, and artistic by nature." [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-26-2001).]

<u>Topic: The Development of Devotional Movements in India </u> compare with:- "The Sufi techniques of inducing ecstasy, such as dancing, music, repetition of the name of God, and the recital of love poems were adopted by Chaitanya (1486-1533), the prophet of Vaishnavism in Bengal." Mohinder Singh Randhawa & Doris Schreier Randhawa, Kishangarh Painting page 5 Vakils, Feffer and Simons Ltd Hague Building 9 Sprott Road Ballard Estate Bombay 400 038 (NB no ISBN appears in the edition that I have) . . . . . ------------------ talasiga@hotmail.com

What about SWALLOW your questions !

You must be right I have no bead bag. What to speak of personality .....

Yep ! But then ..... show me any topic and I'll show you stupidity

Why thanks to the phantom Doc ! This is most relevant to this thread.

(Chipmunks discussing Chaitanya ?) . . . NUTS !

If there is no "second" Hari, how can one be accused of worshipping a "second" Hari ?

Even the meetings between Radha and Krishna are a SECRET affair ........ . . . ------------------ talasiga@hotmail.com

What ? Low level sarcasm ? Now its the Jews. Uh oh - don't tell me: you got into a taxi while chanting and the driver was ...... ? See http://www.indiadivine.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000799.html Hey friends ! Catch a train - you can't see the driver.

Dear Gauracandra, When you quote me, please don't delete my name. Aren't things impersonal enough already ? As you must be aware, when you use the quote facility the quoted person's name presents automatically so why go to the extra trouble to delete it ? Thanking You in anticipation. Talasiga

hippie TAO Yin and Yang hippie BHAKTI YOG yuppie WAY whiz bang yuppie cradling dog

Are we missing each other ? I cannot see a correlate - just some VERBOSE consonance. Brava Europa ! Jai Hind !

Yes, and sometimes one has to close one eye and squint the other to see the big picture through a telescope ..... . . . ------------------ talasiga@hotmail.com

This is very well put Suryaz. However one may note that some SUBMIT to invite greater powers .....

Bhaktavasya: [T]he therapist within can agree to be tied in empathy to the left and understanding to the right, while reserving the right to be free from bondage to either side of the political body. Talasiga: This is agreeable except that I think the word "political" is misplaced. Bhaktavasya: What were YOU talking about when introducing the idea of mutually bound/tied up wrists? Talasiga:I don't recall either raising wrists or tying two <u>together</u>.

THERAPU ? Hey what is this ? Canadian Cow Pat Therapy ?

THOUGHT 6:- You weren't really interested in my thoughts ..... Shalom !

THOUGHT 5:- They do not go in for celibacy Not even as a "spiritual" practice. One gold star .....

THOUGHT 4:- At the heart of it they have a dominant matriarchy which is quite admirable .....

THOUGHT 3:- As a generalisation they are tight knit in their liberalism.

THOUGHT 2:- The Jews are one of the most disputatious people. Even they themselves joke about their lack of unity.