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dear Prabhu, it is not cumbersome, but sometime I have also mistakenly replied in hurry as a guest. thenafter i decided to not read the posts before loging in. that solved the problem for me.

all glory to our gurus and krisha, and sri madvhacharya. please keep on spreading the message.

dear guest 2, thanks for the nice post and the message. keep up. dhanyawad!

in gita krishna says: rudrANAm shankaraschAsmi "of rudras, I am Shankara (Siva)".

using a good user name helps, and avoids confusion.

Recently I read a very intereting book whose excepts are provided below for your benefit. The book says Andhra Pradesh/Bharat gov. provided to farmers web pages thru which they can register ownership of their land, and pay taxes etc. The web site provides all the info about what the rules/law and the procedures are and who is responsible to do what action to serve the farmers. additionally the computer network keeps record of which gov. employee did what action and when to serve the farmers. thus the whole process became known and transparent. this elimiates corruption. the book says how to make money by serving the poor of the poor countries like Bharat. it has a chapter on corruption also. the ideas presented in the book have been proven effective. ----- Excerpts from The Fortune at the BoP By C. K. Prahalad. Professor of Corporate Strategy and Int'l Business at Univ. of Michigan Business School P.3: "What is needed is a better approach to help the poor, and approach that involves partnership with them to innovate and achieve sustainable win-win scenarios where the poor are effectively engaged, and at the same time, the companies providing products and services to them are profitable." P.5 "The strength of this innovative approach is, as you will come to appreciate, is that they tend to create opportunities for the poor by offering them choices and encouraging self-esteem." P9: "From aid focused on large infrastructure projects and public spending on education and health, they are also moving toward a belief that private sector investments is a crucial ingredient to poverty alleviation." P.16 "The traditional approach to creating capacity to consume among the poor has been to provide the product or service free of charge. This has the feel of philanthropy. As mentioned previously charity might feel good, but it rarely solves the problem in a scaleable and sustainable fashion" P.19 "By focusing on BoP consumer's capacity to consume, private sector businesses can create a new market. The critical requirement is the ability to invent ways that take into account the variability in the cash flows of the BoP consumer's that makes it difficult for them to access the traditional market for goods and services oriented toward the top of the pyramid." P27: "Innovation in BoP markets can reverse the flow of concepts, ideas, and methods. Therefore, foreign MNC that aims to stay ahead of the curve, Experimenting in BoP markets is increasingly critical. It is no longer an option. " P.29: "Building the savings habit and giving them access to the basic building blocks of financial services must precede providing them with access to loc-cost loans or rain and crop insurance." P.45: "Enabling people to buy by accessing markets creatively and designing affordable products for them breaks the long head assumption that BoP markets are not viable." P49. "The BoP can be a source of innovations for not only products and processes, but business models as well." P57: "Innovations must become 'value oriented' from the consumer's perspective. The BoP focuses attention on both the objective and subjective performances of the product or service." P.60 "Business management skills, technology, and contracts are pushed down to the local grassroots level." P.63 "There have been few attempts to focus on the symbiotic nature of the relationships between various private sector and social institutional players. That can lead to a rapid develop of markets at the BoP." P.64: "The private sector in the BOP context includes social organizations of different kinds that interact to crate markets and develop appropriate products and services and deliver value. A business system is at the heart of the ecosystem for wealth creation. " P66: "The dilemma for public policy makers is clear: If we can't pick one sector of special attention, how do we mobilize the whole ecosystem?" P77: "Transaction governance capacity is about making the entire process as transparent as possible and consistently enforced. " P.78 : "Most developing countries do not fully recognize the full costs of corruption and its impact on private sector development and poverty alleviation. The capacity to facilitate commercial transactions thought a system of lows fairly enforced is critical to the development of private sector" P81: "Transparency from widely understood and clearly enforced rules. Transactions involving these rules must be clear and unambiguous." P.82: "There is a need for us to recognize that the economic growth fueled by the market economy around the world is not a single, monolithic problem. Each has its own road to travel." P.99: "When the poor at the BoP are treated as customers comma they can reap the benefits of respect, choice and self-esteem and have an opportunity to of the poverty trap." P.100"The capability is to solve the perennial problem of poverty through profitable are not available. to most nations are we have illustrated. However, converting the poor into a market will require innovations. P.100" As BoP consumers get an opportunity to participate in and benefit from the choices of productions and services made available through market mechanisms the accompanying social and economic transformations can be very rapid. P. 109: "More important, social transformation is about the number of people who believe that they can aspire to a middle class lifestyle it is the growing evidence , of opportunity, role models, and real signals of change that allow people to change their change their aspirations."**End ==========

<< and the picture so many have of ignorant farmers worshipping their cows and drinking their urine. >> in the vedic times the cows used to eat clean and organic grass. consequently cow urine and dung were not harmful to life. additionally, the vedas says cow unrine is pavitra (antiseptic/clean). therefore the hindus used to drink it a bit (not glassfuls) to purify themselves. this is faith. no hindu has gotten sick doing this, and many actually have gained health by doing it. this faith is a lot better than a ny faith that says "go invade other countries and convert by force or kill them and smash their temples." no hindu should be ashamed of drinking cow urine if the cow eats healthy food, lives naturally and is healthy. we should not care what the world thinks about us. we have our vedas to live by. remember that we never force anyone (even our own hindus) to drink that. in contrast, islamits hae their police to enforce koran even on the muslim. << I'm not saying Islam is perfect or even good, but you should perhaps not throw stones from a glass house. >> to islam, we hindus need to throw missiles, not stones. this forum is not for praising 2000 year old ememy ideology of hinduism. this is hindu forum.

<< Everything that happens in this world of ours has a purpose and the answer lies deep inside you >> the purpose of the muslim invaders in bharat was to totally destroy hindus and hinduism and speread islam, even by force. they still have the same purpose, per koran and hadith that do not tolerate non-muslims (kafirs). we know it, and do not need to go deep inside us to know it. just see the past 1000 years history. and thos who have experienced the reactions from islam. the answer to us hindus is not to tolerate insjstice and aggressions by teh invader, but to fight in all possible ways, and get the islam out of the vedic land. on the other hand, if the answer lies inside all, then why everyone's answer differ? Because: one is more right (if not totally right) than the other. conflict cannot be avoided in this world.

those with demoniac nature and acts are demons. read gita ch. 13: daivAsura sampad vibhAga yoga then many times the family line of a demon produces other demon natured people. this makes people think demon is a race or a kind of life; but it is not. now, the word deva is opposite to dAnava. devas are superhumans but not god. dAnavas are superdemons just as powerful as devas, but with asuric mentality like atheists. some are theists, but do not surrender to god, and compete with god; like ravana, and hiranyakashipu. deva have their own planets, some danavas also live on other planets, and sometimes live on this earth. devas visit this earth as required, as is evident from the vedic literature. when god - krishna decides to incarnates, the devas know it first, and some saints/devotess also know it first. then the devas incarnate on earth in among humans to help god do his work. saits/devotess, remind people to prepare to meet god or do service for Him when Hecomes. each time god has come, there always were people who did not believe he was god. the people of demoniac nature start their own compaign against god when He comes. this however does not mean one should not protest fake gods. we need to follow saintly people. hope it helps.

This resident "guest" writes a question, and then asnwers it too.

no. can happen when there are bad guys, or the innocent is ignorant. << We all suffer the good and bad results of our actions. >> yes, and also suffer the results of bad guys' actions.

srimad bhagavatam says that brahma tried many ways to create, and failed. he created children from his mind, and told them to create, and some refused, and others could not. the design of male/female worked well.

<< so how could we presume to know another person perfectly? >> vedic answer: by becoming perfect ourselves. besides, the ultimte life goal is to know god and be with him/her. the vedic literature provided many ways of knowing the self, the people, and god. we know by direct experience also. e.g we know islam by 1000 years of our direct experience with it. and so we do not like it in the vedic land.

their ignorance.

each name of the devas or god has some meaning that indicated: - family relation - a quality - a pastime similary the traditional names of the vedic people also have some meaning. the names of tinu and pintu, etc. are the result of bad influence of non-vedic cultures.

My line << To peach the victims and not the aggressors is sin. >> is in ref. to the hindu fascists who try hard to make us cool down against islam and the musilms that have caused 1000 years of past suffering. sometime they even say islam is good, or that terrorists are misinterpreting koran. the preach us the victims to remain fully tolerant to the enemy, and they do not perach non violence to the brutal aggressors and invader islam and the muslims. you can get many hindus to chant and dance easily, and you will find it very hard to find a muslim to chant or dance with you like a krishna devotee. for islam, HKs are also kafirs, to be converted, even by force, or killed when an oppertuinty is available to them.

Although absolute truth is an aspect of Krishna, truth for most people is relative, and we hindus strive to see/realise higher and higher relative truth. Truth by it self is not soemthing that is a live person that can fight or win or act or declare "hey, here i am, the truth. know me." Truth has to be realized by persons, and acted upon. Just realizing is not enough. The court systems are there to find the truth, and sometime they fail too. Education systems for sciecne and math are to help realize truths, but some theories believed to be true have found to be not universally true. our enemies want us to forget some truths, so that we do not act to solve the problems they caused for us since 1000 years and still are causing. we need to know the truths to solve our problems of all kinds. one who does not know the truth, cannot succeed.

<< Be him a Muslim, a Hindu, a Christian, a Budhist, a Cult follower or an Atheist. >> What? Be a Muslim? (Are you one?) Then what value you have for sanatana dharma? The ideology that saughtered millions of Hindu lives and infrastructure for 1000 years, is good? The history shows that since a 1000 years we have been tolerating islam that is invaded in Bharat, and still it is causing problems for is, and you are saying islam is good? << They all have something in common and that is their belief. It is the teachings and wrong interpretation of their faith. >> So, all are interpreting all scripture wrong, and just you have the right interpretation? Do you beieve in your self? Have you ever tried successfully to teach correct interpretation of islam to wahabis, and the followers of ben ladin? if not, then why preach it to us victims of islam? to us islam is whot it treated us for 1000 years invading. we have lost, and you are praising the enemy ideology?

<< "..what is mahabhagavatam? never heared of it." >> instead of answering this, you chose to focus on my ignorance. srimad bhagavatam and devi bhagavatam are known to most hindus. hence the question. per gita, the asuras and the people with demonic ideology are enemies of the suras and their vedic society and culture. there is no good way except to fight with them in all possible ways.

<< there he Saw Allah, spoke to him as well as saw Jesus sitting in his Right hand side, now if Allah had no form how can we have a Right hand side? >> no muslim has made a picture / drawing of allah. so, either mohammed did not see him at all, or he did not tell how god was looking. i do not believe the scriptures say apsaras are virgins, but they remain young, and do not get old bodies. however, no human (hindu) going to swarga ever wishes to enjoy an apsara. hindus view them as mothers.

<< Satya yuga (golden age) 4,000,000 years Treta yuga (silver age) 3,600,000 years Dvapara yuga (copper age) 2,400,000 years Kali yuga (iron age) 1,200,000 years Pralaya (cosmic deluge ) 4000,000 years New Creation 400,000 years Duration of One Cycle 12,000,000 years >> According to Prabhupada's literature the lengths of yugas are as follows. Kali 432000 (only 5000 have passed at this time.) Treta 2 x 432000 Dwapar 3 x 432000 Satya 4 x 432000 Yogi Yukteswar however beieved that kali has alread passed. He has written a book about it, showing where the computing error has occured.

a man is waiting for a bus at a bus station. next to his bench is seated a 12-13 year old begger. he is weak, and crippled with deformed hands and legs, a handicapped. the man talked with this boy for a few minutes. he heard the boy's life story with compassion. he knew about the boy's past, family, and how he lives on begging, and what he suffers. then the man said to the boy: i want to travel, but have lost my wallet, have no money. the boy reached the pocket of his rags, and took out the bundle of notes and he said: here, take this. the man counted it, and it was forty rupees. man: that is nice, but i cannot give this back to you. are you sure you want to give it to me? boy: yes. i am not giving to get it back. man: why? you do not have money and are a begger. boy: you need help and i can help. besides, you talked with me with compassion. you listened me. that is a great joy for me. man: that is so nice of you. thanks. take this money back. i was just testing you. ------------- yes, the devabhooli has beggers who can donate a lot than they have ability to make. the man was non other than jayesh bhai, the force behind manav seva org. in an amdavad slum, bharat.

In kutch, bharat, there is a village with a small temple out of the vilalge in the middle of small hills that are like desert. at this temple every day rice is cooked and served at the roof top which is not much high compared to the ground. the cayotees and jackals from around the hills come regularly to eat this rice every day. how the temple was made? why feed rice to cayotees? a few centuries ago, a saintly man was travelling on this path when there was no village nearby. at the evening he sat down to eat his dinner - rice. a hungry cayotee came to him and sat in front of him. the man saw that the animal was hungry. knowing that these animals are meat eaters, and he does not have meat, the man cut his hand and served it to the cayotee. what a compassion! the cayotee however, did not eat or even smell it, and just sat there looking at the rice. so, the man served some rice to it. the cayotee ate it happily, and went away. that was a vaishnav cayotee! yes, some animals are vaishnav too, in the devabhoomi. when the people of the area knew this, they realised that the area has some vaishnav animals. so they built this temple at the spot where this cayotee ate the rice. ever since then the temple serves the rice to the cayotees. oh hindus, that is our devabhoomi! such are the reasons why god choose to incarnate there many times. the name of the village is gandhi gaam. but it has another name before gandhians stole the glory of this vedic village by changing its name to gandhi gaam. why not call it chaitanya gaam? if you could find the original name of this vilalge, please share it here.

yes, but with some discrimanating thoughts. a man who comes to rape you mother in your home is not god. he must be killed instantly. would you agree?

<< 3) so i think religion is not created by God, all religions are created by Wise men (with varying degree of intelligence, goodness and compassion) >> true, but not true for hinduism 9sanatana dharma), which says; dharmas tu sAkshAt bhagavt praNiam. so, a Hindu does not accept man-made religions.