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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
C'mon Babhru, I was born during the day, but I wasn't born yesterday. This booklet was written and posted on the internet to try and prove that Narayana Maharaja is wrong about Srila Prabhupada being in madhurya-rasa. Please, don't play all innocent. We know enough about the camp of Tripurari Maharaja to know they are on the warpath against Narayana Maharaja and this book is supposed to make him look like a fool. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Madhya 8.83 purport: -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
It's not ALL ONE. The rasas represent stages of development. Even the liberated souls in Vaikuntha can progress on to Krsna-bhakti from worship of Narayan. Madhurya-rasa is higher and better than sakhya-rasa. That is the conclusion of Mahaprabhu advocated by the Goswamis. Sakhya-rasa is on a lower level of love of Krsna than is madhurya-rasa. After the stage of sakhya-rasa comes madhurya-rasa - the highest and the BEST rasa with Krsna. Some of you aspiring cowherd boys are still being dogged by your mundane ego and confusing that for sakhya-rasa. Just because you like girls doesn't mean you are in sakhya-rasa with Krsna. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Of course Prabhupada didn't want a thousand devotees from ISKCON to converge upon Radha kunda like flock of Wilda beasts. It was about convenience not about siddhanta. Srila Prabhupada did not want the ISKCON festival to include that because it would have been a big disturbance to the Dhama basi residents. Just imagine hundreds of ISKCON devotess converging on Radha kunda like a beach party at Daytona. That was what Prabhupada wanted to avoid. I don't think he ever forbade his disciples as a principle from bathing in Radha kunda. He restricted it as a part of the ISKCON festival programs for the sake of keeping the peaceful atmosphere in tact for the babajis and sadhakas there. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Excuse me, but I am rather hesitant to take such information from anonymous people on forums. I would have to validate that with a reliable source, not an anonymous identity on a forum. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Actually, I only did what I was instructed to do by the young man from Radha kunda who took me around. He didn't allow me to loiter, instructed me to take some water on my head and then encouraged me to leave rather quickly. I did what I did with the permission and under the guidance of the Dhama basi. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
I don't live on the recollections of old ISKCON devotees. My bread and butter is the teachings from the books of Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada never told me I couldn't bathe in Radha Kunda. In his book he told me that it should be done as much as possible. I was in ISKCON for years and I don't remember anyone saying that Prabhupada forbade bathing in Radha kunda. Most ISKCON people I know that ever went to the Vrindavan area did bathe or take water from the kunda on their heads. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Actually, I never "bathed" in Radha kunda. The resident of the Kunda who took me around taught me to take a few drops of water on my head from the side. I could never imagine "swimming", frolicking or taking a bath in Radha kunda. I had no thought to jump in and do a backstroke in Radha kunda. I know one devotee that got too playful there and broke both ankles jumping in like it was a a city swimming pool. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
It doesn't matter "from ISKCON onward". If he ever bathed at Radha kunda even before that the results will be the same. Srila Prabhupada got his orders from Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati while at Radha kunda. Are you going to tell me that Bhaktisiddhanta took his disciples to Radha kunda and told them not to bathe in the waters? Don't make me laugh. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
That is another "Prabhupada said" that contradicts his instruction in Upadeshamrta. Whenever a "Prabhupada said" contradicts what he wrote in his books it cannot but be another ISKCON myth. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
But, as he made quite clear, his place of bhajan was at the Radha-Damodar temple behind the tomb of Rupa Goswami. We don't need signs to figure out his place of bhajan. We have written and spoken words to confirm that. What he has spoken as his place of bhajan is more telling than where he left this world. Prabhupada's mission was to accommodate people from all over the world of all different mentalities the chance to take up Krsna consciousness. So, he showed some sakhya-rasa and built his Krsna-Balarama temple to accomodate the many different kinds of devotees that he created from all over the world. He didn't want to create an exclusive cult of gopi-bhava because many souls will not be able to go up to that high a platform in just this one life. So, he created a situation where sakhya-rasa seemed quite obvious so as not to drive away beginners who are not able to full embrace the full-fledged form of unconditional love of Krsna. As for his own internal aspirations? Bathing in Radha kunda pretty much says it all. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
That is why I went to Radha kunda. I have been in pursuit of madhurya rasa since the very dawn of my Krsna consciousness experience. I can't imagine anyone who would not want to taste the nectar from the lips of Sri Krsna. It is beyond my comprehension that anyone who knows the glories of madhurya-rasa would settle for anything less. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Radha kunda is at the foot of Govardhan. Surely, you know that. Radha kunda is fed by the waterfalls coming off of Govardhan hill. It's a very exotic tropical place, unlike what our mortal eyes see upon a trip to the area via a plane ticket and donkey cart. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
Whatever his reasons, that cannot reverse the effect of bathing in Radha kunda. He was teaching by example that those who are in pursuit of madhurya-rasa will go bathe in Radha kunda. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
I think the very act of bathing in Radha kunda was a subtle statement that "I am a gopi". There are ways to prove a point other than the spoken world. If you can't accept that then you are living in denial. I am not looking for words from Srila Prabhupada but for signs. Read the signs and there is no need for the words. -
New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
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Here is an interesting quote from the books of Srila Prabhupada. NOD ch. 4: So, from this evidence I would imagine that there are Sankirtan parties from Navadvip on Goloka going out around Vaikuntha trying to preach the glories of Krishna to the Vaikuntha residents and convert them to Krsna bhakti. Even after going back to Godhead, the preaching and the Sankirtan parties are still a part of the lives of the followers of Lord Caitanya. The lost souls in the material world aren't the only one's that need to learn about devotional service to Krsna. The liberated souls in Vaikuntha can also go up higher from that position.
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New booklet about Srila Prabhupada
Sonic Yogi replied to stonehearted's topic in Spiritual Discussions
See guys, Radha kunda is a magical, mystical, wonderful pool that has a unique power of transforming anyone who bathes in those waters into a gopi. Anyone who bathes in that pool is surely in pursuit of gopi bhava or otherwise they wouldn't dare bathe in those sacred waters.