chandu_69

Nothing wrong perse in worshipping krishna for material gain and success.Concept of Material gain differs from person to person.A homeless person asking for a modest success in life is not the same as a millionaire desiring to become a billionaire.

Playing with karma of other beings is trying to play god.And that is stupid; plain and simple.

Very true.Seeing the 'intellectual' thoughts freely bandied about in this forum I am coming around to the view the sages were indeed correct in putting restrictions on the uninitiated.

The translations are faulty and sometimes highly misleading.Having said that there is still no authoritative translations available. Your own signature is the best illustration of a translation gone awry(rigveda Rg Veda I-89-1)

exactly my point.

The vedas say, perhaps in in poetic hymns, that it is not Known,for certain. rigveda book 1:129:6 Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation? And then it describes the minor details with reference to earth 1:150:3 Dhātar, the great Creator, then formed in due order Sun and Moon. He formed in order Heaven and Earth, the regions of the air, and light. So, It can be deduced that the order is sun-moon- Earth.

I don't know how this "entire universe" thing came. The word used is LOKAM. There are many Lokam(s). For example verse 9:33 also used the word Lokam. ki‰ punar brhma‹„ pu‹y bhakt rjar£ayas tatha anityam asukha‰ LOKAM ima‰ prpya bhajasva mm. iN THIS VERSE lokam is world.Temporary world. verse 9:20 also has lokam(surendra-lokam)...The world/planet of Indra.

Not a joke anymore if you read the patent issued both in US and EU. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6410059.html

Strong mind helps you in not getting influenced by cheap tricks.The socalled tantrik is nothing but a fool.Can any tantrik kill somebody on a livetv show and escape from prosecution?. As said by kali_upasaka it is not possible to find a genuine tantrik these days.

Originally Posted by --- what kind of a tantric uses a mantra like lingalingalinga....???? obviously this show was an insult to hindus by the communist controlled anti hindu media ... Yes, it is amusing, the word used. Tantra may be real, but it is not possible to find a real tantrik.

Tantra might be true.But the chances of finding some one who actually suffered from black magic are next to impossible.Most of the socalled victims of black magic actually suffer from variety of physical and mental problems. It is also established that almost all the 'victims' have poor will power. It is safe to assume that in this age, black magic practitioners cannot move a hair on your body.

It is clear with regards to the questions asked by krishnaleela. Read post no:1

Caitanya caritamrta is crystal clear .There is no room for ambiguity.

Mimamsa means enquiry/investigation.Mimamsa is an interpretation based on vedic texts.The exegesis based on enquiry may change from scholar to scholar or from time to time. No need to say anything strongly or for against Mimamsa.

Indian chose what?. You have very little common sense.When was the last time the ruled have a choice?. The bengalis might have been ok with Bahadur Shah.So what?.Does that negate what i wrote earlier?. The indian soldiers employed by british were also protecting their masters interests vi-a-vis Indians.Does that mean Indians in general wanted british rule?.I see that logic and detail is not your forte. Hmmm, too many speculations?.When did i say muslims are root cause of all evils? And when did i say i am ok with british moving the kohinoor?. Can't stomach facts? don't you?.

Why the heck the british needed to unite india?. They are occupiers; plain and simple.

80% ? .Where did you get your figures.india was 40% muslim before partition of india.get your facts straight Mr kaiserose. The zeal to convert indians whole sale has ebbed.That is it.

Continued the response regarding hindus happy with muslim rule. http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/temple_aurangzeb.html Some examples of accounts written by Muslim chroniclers(not by Hindus) "Mir'at-i-Alam" by Bakhtawar Khan Muhiyu'd-Din Muhammad Aurangzeb 'Alamgir Padshah Ghazi (1658-1707) General Order " ...Hindu writers have been entirely excluded from holding public offices, and ALL THE WORSHIPPING PLACES OF THE INFIDELS AND GREAT TEMPLES of these infamous people HAVE BEEN THROWN DOWN AND DESTROYED in a manner which excites astonishment at the successful completion of so difficult a task. His Majesty personally teaches the sacred kalima to many infidels with success. ... All mosques in the empire are repaired at public expense..." the full list is given at the above link and independent verification from http://kblibrary.bih.nic.in/Vol07.htm http://maapritonk.nic.in/histryvolume1.htm

Will durant continued India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was not exactly a zone of peace. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honoured conventions sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial classes who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor. Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse than death. Islamic imperialism came with a different code--the Sunnah of the Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield. It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last Prophet. Hindus found it very hard to understand the psychology of this new invader. For the first time in their history, Hindus were witnessing a scene which was described by Kanhadade Prabandha (1456 AD) in the following words: "The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered people's wealth, took Brahmins and children and women of all classes captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious Turks." That was written in remembrance of Alauddin Khalji's invasion of Gujarat in the year l298 AD. But the gruesome game had started three centuries earlier when Mahmud Ghaznavi had vowed to invade India every year in order to destroy idolatry, kill the kafirs, capture prisoners of war, and plunder vast wealth for which India was well-known

Yes, Indians were ok with whole sale massacres imposition of jizya tax, conversion at sword etc etc..Stray incidents, huh. http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/moghal_atro.html Will Durant(author of Story of Civilisation) wrote "the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history".

Thought that i should highlight some important points of an excellent post.

The tantrums of Kali_upasaka is the result of the post number 116 The stupidity of his guru is exposed in bright and searing light Here is the stupidity in his own words

Indeed,they should read it.

That many non-hindus call hinduism as nonsense is known. The important thing is where do you, Kali_upasaka, stand?. Do you think you have the wherewithal to prove them wrong?.

Let it be.It seems nobody except you is interested to establish dates from "recorded history". Ohh i see.Can you date Rama avathar from "recorded history" ?. Oh yes, as you have just now explained that superstition with "recorded history".