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I want to add a small point to what Smiley said with regards what hindus, in general think and say about other religions. Hindus give unqualified praise for the foundational texts and and teachers of other religions Even when they doesn't have fair knowledge of them. Authentic hindu scriptures have no reference to jesus or christianity as they were written(Believed to be) much before the advent of any religion. As per hindu scriptures Brahma created the present universe approx 8 billion years ago. Carl sagan the astronomer talks about Hindu cosmology's time-scale http://www.rediff.com/news/jan/29sagan.htm

The position held by christian theologists(of major denominations) all over the world. This a forum not a pure qna session.When you participate in a discussion it is expected that one reads and familiarizes himself with subject.That is a expected of everybody That so called incident is interpolated in Uttarakanda which is not a part of Valmiki ramayana.I already explained this.Please read before you respond.There are various ramayanas of unknown authors flouting around with crazy stories. That sambuka was killed By Lord Rama for reading vedas is rubbish because Valmiki ,the author of ramayana was a sudra who wrote ramayana after reading vedas. Pls stay away from stories.Since you have mentioned it the story goes that jarasandha was destined to be killed by bhima so Krishna and balrama didnt want the mathura people to be exposed to war at that time. So you have to stick to gita and vedas and be cautious on numerous un authentic puranas.In the thread of tenali, raghu patiently explained the damage to hinduism's image by the hindus posting random thoughts with little or no knowledge.read the thread where raghu counters the wrong accusations.

That must be tamasic .

Of course he put it beautifully.But we are talking about Official position of christianity. That it is an interpolation by vested interests in uttarakanda(which was not accepted as authentic Valmiki ramayana) can be easily gauged by the fact that The Author of ramayana (Valmiki) is a sudra who read rigveda and wrote Ramayana.Got it? Krishna running off?. I think you need to resist the urge to post things which you are unaware of and try to provide silly answers.People surely question hinduism but when you provide an answer you should have the requisite knowledge. There are thousands of puranas and itihasas which are not considered accurate in all aspects by hindus. The Gita doesn't talk about Caste oppression and neither the vedas. Ganesh prasad explained this clearly in the forum http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15244 The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].(5.18)

The following christian site gives extensive quotes from bible to support the view that it is indeed a deadly sin. http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=400 "What we do know is that either eternal torment in hell or eternal joy in heaven awaits all people after death, based on whether they trust in Christ’s payment for sin or reject Christ."." Not the same kind of choice . Surrender to god to reach god or reincarnate.Some people, who want to relive their lives in a better way, may not consider reincarnation as a punishment. But again there is always a chance to reach god either in this life or in subsequent lives.In hinduism hell is not eternal for finite mistakes done in ONE life.

We hardly kill plants when we reap the harvest of grains.The plants reach end of their life.This is explained in detail at the thread http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/453837-excellent-answers-become-vegetarian-his-holiness-sripada-sugunendra-theertha.html

Dear Theist, There is really no need to fight.We can agree to disagree.And the perceived differences are not major, i believe. Let us move those past unpleasant things to dustbin and move ahead.

Unbelief is one of those sins equivalent to murder, whoremongering etc. That doesn't sound nice.Does it?.

That etc includes unbelievers(in Christianity) and idolaters. That is not cursing but just laying out the theology of christianity.I already said this.

What he was trying to say is hindus writing here about hinduism are considered qualified by the outside world. Ego is not a bad thing in itself. Not for nothing the owner of this forum named this site as Indiadivine. The site is all about native indian religions in which hinduism is a predominant faith. When you write in forums it is the words that count.Your feelings are conveyed through your words.

Timely post and well written.

That is gospel of jesus. It is correct that it is not cursing perse. but unbelievers and idolaters are equated with murderers, whoremongers,liars etc. and they will be burned in a lake of fire.(John 8:24) Also the residents of places that refuse to receive gospel (of jesus) will suffer fire and brimstone as per bible.. Mark:10:15-16 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Reference for Sodom and Gomorrha is found in Old testament Genesis :19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Disturbing Indeed.And another hindu wants greek literature to be read to find answers.How pathetic.

Where is the hatred?. Hinduism doesn't say adherents of other religions go to hell. Neither i said that.Point out hatred in my posts.

The verses i quoted are not considered cooked up by any muslims.They are deemed words of god.No muslim will ever accept that any word of quran is cooked up. It is not finding faults.They reflect the ideas of zakir naik. Here are the references from authentic translation from Arabic scholars http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe009.htm http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe021.htm Here is the link for tafsir(quranic exegesis) by eminent tafsir writer Ibn kathir http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3138&Itemid=738 Check for the explanation of the verses. More translations here http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/9/113/default.htm

He knows his pavitra quran well.It is gullible people like you who needs to know.As per 'pavitra' quran you are an idolater and hence unclean. quran 9:28 ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship.. And being an idolater you are a companion of hell fire as per quran 9:113 :It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire. and 21:98:Lo! ye (idolaters) and that which ye worship beside Allah are fuel of hell. Thereunto ye will come.

The major difference b/n islam and vaishnavism/hinduism is islam has a desert version of god who wont tolerate worshiping any body other than Allah and gives instructions to muslims to destroy other religions while hinduism allows people to worship the image of god they choose. quran 9:33: He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them... "wherever ye find them" means wherever on earth says eminent Tafsir writer Ibn khathir (then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them), means, on the earth in general, except for the Sacred Area,) (http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2581&Itemid=64). This particular muslim in the video also claims that muhammed is a rishi explained in vedas.He also quotes Bhavishya purana saying that Pishacha means Arabs and Mlechha means muhammed.Funny character. look at his videos http://slnblethers.blogspot.com/2008/05/dr-zakir-joker-naik-and-his-comic.html

That is refreshing, sir. It also follows that all those people who made claims of Avathara of God are fake.Simple, is it not?.

Either you provide evidence of what u say or you read the official site i quoted.repeating adnauseum what u learn from evangelical schools is of no use. I repeated the public event of Raghavendra swami entering samadhi in post 22 from the official site: http://www.gururaghavendra.org/

No, he didn't start it for fun.His arguments are lifted straight from indian evangelical schools. He insists on google that some body said Raghavendra saint is alive in physical body.When i quoted The official site he pretends he has not read it. http://www.gururaghavendra.org/ which says On the day chosen (Virodhikruth Samvatsara Shravana krishna paksha dwitiya - 1671 A.D.), thousands of people had congregated in manchAle to see this rare event of a person entering a brindAvana alive.He also gave elaborate instructions to his disciples. This is the typical behaviour of an evangelist.They keep repeating what they want to say without showing any basis .When we provide evidence contrary to what they say they remain silent on the evidence.

Where???.lanka Mentioned in Ramayana is not South India. NO.Rigveda doesn't have any word called Dravidian. You gathered this from hindu hate sites. Abuse Alert: We have a hindu hater(Tenali) posing as hindu.

A saint enters Samadhi alive and his soul(Atma) leaves the body at his will.This is Called Entering Samadhi.The saint instructs his disciples to close the tomb after he enters samadhi. If you are a HINDU you will be knowing this Already. Are you really a hindu?. Who said that?.His Atma(soul) is guiding the people in to right path.This is what the Vaishnava site says quoting the devotees. http://www.gururaghavendra.org/ If you are really a hindu you would be knowing that Soul has no death. Abuse Alert: This miscreant Tenali is not here to seek clarifications.He is here to post hate messages.

He is a vaishnava saint.It is ridiculous for you to say he was Buried alive.No body buries saints.He himself left his body by entering in to a tomb(Samadhi). Saint Raghavanedra preached worship of God Vishnu and lived the life of saint. In his last speech he said: "Always keep away from people who merely perform miracles without following the shastras and yet call themselves God or guru. I have performed miracles, and so have great persons like Srimadacharya. These are based on yoga siddhi and the shastras. There is no fraud or trickery at all. These miracles were performed only to show the greatness of God and the wonderful powers that one can attain with His grace. Right knowledge (jnana) is greater than any miracle. Please refrain from posting rubbish like a spoilt brat.

Reject those people, by all means.Who is stopping you?. Surely people who have authority tend to abuse them and if those abusers are SMALL in number(By your own admission) it should be easy to reject them. Are you sure? Quite natural.Those who enjoy unfettered authority will try to preserve it. Does Reformation mean people who are uneducated and miserable failures in life can become gurus and claim Avtar hood?.Is this the reform you are talking about?.It is like throwing the baby with bath water.

they are still not the same as wrong If you meant to say "it is not an offense punishable", then i am with you.