Guruvani

"One day we discovered a philosophical difference in our opinions. The first thing we concluded at that very moment was: Let us not destroy our relationship over this difference. And so it was. Pettiness creates a judgmental attitude, a feeling of superiority over all who understand things even slightly different than you."

 

 

Unfortunately, the leadership of ISKCOn does not share that mood.

They prefer to attack, denigrate and demean anyone who doesn't buy the official GBC partyline philosophy.

So, on the big scale of things "Houston, we have a problem".

It won't help you as an individual to wake up by carrying on this pseudo-spiritual, pseudo-religious, political campaign.

Exactly.

It's a campaign NOT to protect the Gaudiya siddhanta, but a campaign to protect the asses of the ISKCON buffoons who are embarrassed over having advocated heresy of the Gaudiya siddhanta as part of a campaign of war against all non-ISKCON Gaudiya Vaishnava gurus and devotees.

Ultimately, they will all be exposed for what they are - neophyte fools with a political agenda of personal prestige and position as career gurus and ISKCON administrators.

Laurel and Vardi reading the books of Srila Prabhupada.

Vardi,

"yes, I can see that we are all actually in Goloka in our perpetual svarupa nitya-siddha bodies having only a bad dream".

It's your dream.

But, you seem to conveniently forget that for the devotee in Krishna consciousness the "dream" or material energy act as svarupa-shakti or internal energy and is no different than Goloka.

So, your dreamervadi nonsense is bogus because for the devotee the whole material world becomes a reality and a place of service to Krishna.

It's only a dream to dreamervadis like your good self.

Then follow whole heatedly and chant Hare Krrishna. Realist has a problem with 'ISKCON NUTJOBS' as you call them, but in the end we ALL have no one to blame except ourselves. It's your dream.

After I read Drutakarma's essay on the origin of the jiva I realized that I didn't belong with ISKCON anymore and I needed to put my faith in Narayana Maharaja and reject ISKCON and the bogus initiation I got from the GBC in 1975.

"Sanitarium" instead of "sanatorium" - reminds of Satsvarupa's spelling mistake when admitting that his book "Sanatorium" wasn't bonafide.

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I thought you never liked Narayana Maharaj?

I didn't.

But, ISKCON fanatics like yourself have shown me the light that Narayan Maharaja is the true living acharya and ISKCON is a deviant cult gone astray from the Gaudiya sampradaya.

Now, I understand that Narayana Maharaja is the true successor to Srila Prabhupada.

Hearing the sleepervadi heresy being preached all over the internet by some ISKCON nutjobs has turned me into a follower of Narayana Maharaja.

I thought you never liked Narayana Maharaj? Any, instead of us criticizing ISKCON, why not start your own program of preaching, if you don’t have trust in present day ISKCON. Remember, even Srila Prabhupada never liked staying in the Gaudiya math. You don’t have to be a member of the present version of ISKCON to be a devotee Krishna if you don’t trust their insight and spiritual realizations. But Srila Prabhupada always said books are the basis,

Mahaprabhu's mission is about Sri Krishna Sankirtanam.

This "book distrubution" campaign should have stopped upon the disappearance of the ISKCON acharya.

Srila Prabhupada is not here anymore.

Only books of living acharyas should be distributed.

Otherwise, the wolves in sheeps clothing who are waiting in the forest will snatch-up and abuse all the little lambs that wander in being attracted by some false sheep that is a wolf in disguise.

A good point that realist has made is all of us are dream-avardis in the material world

 

And your answer is when the impersonalist yogi are able to shake off his material biological form and his underlining ethereal or subtle body, the nitya-baddha conscious aspect of ones marginal identity vibrates inactively as a part and parcel of the bright living impersonal Brahmajyoti. That particular light you are taling about is the energy or s'akti of the jiva-tattva.

You must be typing with your toes, because I know that your arms must be in a straight jacket somewhere in some sanitarium for the spiritually ill.

Excuse me my dear friend but realist is right

 

No, he is wrong.

All ISKCON book distribution should stop, otherwise more innocent souls like yourself will get sucked into the GBC guru cult and have their spiritual lives ruined forever by the bogus preaching and offensive policy of the ISKCON leadership.

Go out and distribute the books of Narayana Maharaja.

At least his reputation hasn't been destroyed by a gang of derelict followers who want to change Gaudiya siddhanta and promote homosexuals and pedophiles as God's messengers to mankind.

Go and distribute books for Prabhupada, go out on the xmas marathon, then and only then will you be able to enter the mood of Srila Prabhupadas preaching mission.

 

 

 

 

Bullshit.

Yeah right, go out and distribute books so that people will find out about the Hare Krishna cult and all the child-abuse, crime and power-crazed madness that has gone on in the name of "spreading love of God".

Then you can create another enemy of the Hare Krishna movement who was made so by the propaganda policy of a cult that is mad for followers and position.

Your book distrubution doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

I can be you (bodily vessel) you can be me (bodily vessels) and we can all be each other (Only the bodily material containments of ethereal and biological nature (vessels)

 

The mahat-tattva world of the nitya-baddha dream-avardis is only attained when one chooses to mise use their free will and forget Krishna and their own perpetual nitya siddha Krishna Conscious body which is their genuine, authentic and permanent devotional bodly self.

Hogwash.

Pure nonsense.

You need help mister.

There all right mate, at least they chant Hare Krishna and are in our line of Gaudiya devotional succession. We all have to work for a living, I just happen to be santa clause. I will tell you somethinf funny. A Mataji came to Myer (just happens to be Australia's biggest department store) with her kids, a yong six year old sat on my lap and told me what he wanted (the latest transformer movie) I asked him . wouldn't you rather have a story about Krishna then chanted the first three verses of the Brahma samhita ib his ear. The young boy ran back to mum saying 'santa' is a devotee, he chanted to me and told me to get a movie about Krishna when he was the boy'.

Give the man a cigar!

Dreamervadi?

Your all dreamavardis’ and you don't even know it

You need help, but I think it is already too late for this lifetime.

I just finished my job as a santa clause and danced with them in my santa costume for an hour.

You really shouldn't reveal such stupidity in front of everybody.

Sounds like a typical brainwashed, blind follower of the cult.

Your so innocent and sweet wakey wakey prabu!!, Your in a dream world and don't even know it, maybe next time around you can have my body and I can have your body and then we will know how our nitya-baddha consciousnesses felt or rather dreamed in the material world of the dream-avardis:sleep:

You have a mental problem.

I am sorry your offenses have driven you to such madness.

Mastermind of Sleepervada...

Jackass with blinders on.

Only a fool without any understanding of spiritual life wouldn’t understand this.

 

It’s simple to understand. EVERYONE'S nitya-siddha body is permanently established in the 'endless' present in Goloka. However,for those few who have been covered by their nitya-baddha restricted conscious, or non-Krishna conscious desires, thoughts and DREAMS, THEY ROAM AROUND THE MATERIAL CREATION confined to material ethereal and biological vessels for so long, it seems like an eternity.

 

Sometimes in the ethereal or subtle body of a demigod, a biological human form, a biological dog form, a sahu form, a yogi form, a ghost form even no form dreaming a dreamless state in the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. And if you duds stay long enough in the mahat-tattva, you will see its demise and be around for the next mahat-tattva cycle of plays where Begger can be in the bodily vessel of Guruvani and Kulapavana can experience the bodily vehicle of Shakti fan.

 

Hey boys, don't get to attached to those material bodies you are in, they ARE a permanent fixtures of the maha-tattva (material creation) meaning they are destroyed yet again reappear in the next cycle of MAHA-TATTVA CREATION (the dreams of Maha-Vishnu).

 

Maybe you guys can one day, in another time place, circumstance, universe and material creation experience the ethereal and bioliogical vessel of REALISTS Wakey Wakey

 

You guys are so spiritual Juvenal in your PRIMITIVE understanding. Can you handle the truth of what is really going on in the material crazy DREAM-vardi world? Sirdar Maharaj is/was a great Vaishnava respected by Srila Prabhupada however, his deep understanding of the shastra was nowhere near as advanced as Srila Prabhupada, Prabhupada new the essences of the Vedas and that was preaching in every town and Village of the world. I’m not being offensive or critical here, it’s just a fact:namaskar:

 

What a pompous ass.

Nobody but you believes in that hogwash philosophy that you manufacture and spit at all the devotees of this forum.

I guess when nobody wants to play your sleepervadi rant game anymore you just turn to ad-hominem insults to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy in your self-rightous, pompous arrogance.

and about second comming of Jesus I know that He will come but to judge

 

If he comes then maybe he can visit a Hare Krishna temple and learn how to chant Hare Krishna and go back home back to Godhead and forget about the father in heaven who forsake him on the cross.

The Anti-Prabhupada is the embodiment of evil who wants to replace Srila Prabhupada and usher in the Karmageddon - the great battle of the end times.

Does anyone have any idea who this Anti-Prabhupada is and when the Karmageddon is going to start?

They confuse you because they are confused.

Why is that?

It looks to me like the fence walkers are confused as they try to walk the middle road and claim to not be on either side.

Persons with conviction aren't confused.

They know what they believe.

It is the uncommitted that are confused because they really don't know what they believe.

I dont accept that a so-called murti is sitting there alive,

Most of us are probably guilty of that.

But, in reality, the murti is probably more alive than us.

In our conditioned material existence we think the murti is dead and only we are alive, but in reality the murti is probably the living thing and we are actually dead.

The deity is not alive!

We are alive!

Such is the way of the baddha-jiva.

Should we think that Srila Prabhupada left the planet after leaving his body or that he is coming back to continue to lead the Krishna consciousness movement since it appeared that there was unfinished business when he passed away?

Should we otherwise think that since Srila Prabhupada specifically authorized his murti to be installed and worshiped in ISKCON that in fact he never left ISKCON but entered into his murti to receive the worship and service of the ISKCON devotees?

Is the murti a living thing or is it more or less an idol statue that only symbolizes Srila Prabhupada?

Did Srila Prabhupada abandon ISKCON upon leaving his body?

sounds like a fresh approach to Krishna consciousness.

keep up the good work!