Guruvani

how you can't understand a simply thing that you are a pure soul but your coverings are polluted?

Srila Prabhupada: Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.107

New York, July 13, 1976

There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. Nitya-siddha means they never fall a victim of maya. That is nitya-siddha. Even though they are within this material world, they are never victimized. That is called nitya-siddha. And one who is victimized, he is called nitya-baddha.

The nitya-siddha never falls victim to maya.

You have fallen victim to maya.

You are not nitya-siddha.

You are nitya-baddha.

all of us are nitya siddha, the souls is unchangeable eternally pure is just our material covering that are polluted, even the soul of Sadham, G bush my soul (that is myself) and other big or little demons are pure souls, because the soul can't be polluted, burned, cut in pieces, etc. Is ever pure. This is one of the most basic things in KC, that our coverings are polluted but not the soul.

Mental mushrooms growing on the cow plop of speculation.

Maybe you can cheat yourself like this, but you can't cheat me.

You don't know what you are talking about.

This how the sleepervadis are stupid and ignorant.

They take a personal letter to ONE disciple and then present that as being applicable to every petty soul groping through the web of illusion.

Did you ever meet Aniruddha Guruvani? I knew him. Nice guy but he had his ups and downs like everyone else.

Bhaktivinoda had his ups and downs too.

At one point in his life he hated the Bhagavat and the Vaishnavas.

Oh OK, if you say so.

I didn't say it. Srila Prabhupada did.

He wrote a personal letter to Aniruddha and said "you are nitya-siddha".

Only an idiot would take that personal letter to Aniruddha and say that it applies to every fallen soul in the world.

Srila Prabhupada told Tripurai Swami that "you are the incarnation of book distribution".

Should we then take that and say that every conditioned soul in the world is the incarnation of book distribution?

That is why Narada is included in the rank of marginal energy because he is still situated between the internal and external energy.

The internal devotees of Goloka are not marginal like Narada because they have no connection to the material energy.

Did you ever meet Aniruddha Guruvani? I knew him. Nice guy but he had his ups and downs like everyone else.

Well, Srila Prabhupada knows a nitya-siddha from a baddha-jiva and he wrote to Aniruddha and told him HE was a nitya-siddha.

That is not a wholesale inclusion of every evil demon on the planet.

Was Hitler a nitya-siddha?

Is Osama Bin Laden a nitya-siddha?

When Srila Prabhupada tells a disciple who is chanting Hare Krishna and serving the pure devotee that HE is nitya-siddha, that cannot be extended to include every fallen jiva in the cosmos.

Srila Prabhupada – “You are NOT eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA). You are eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA)’ Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968,

So, Srila Prabhupada told Aniruddha that he was a nitya-siddha.

That doen't mean that sleepervadis are nitya-siddha.

Srila Prabhupada didn't say every jiva in the universe is nitya-siddha.

He told his disciple Aniruddha "you are nitya-siddha".

Why is some fool, idiot on this forum trying to now say that such statement by Srila Prabhupada to a disciple applies top every rotting jiva in the universe?

When Srila Prabhupada tells a disciple "you are nitya-siddha" that applies only to that disciple, not to every idiot sleepervadi on the planet.

Roger, that's an affirmative. I didn't see a fireball or anything so I don't think I hit him. I think he's out of range, maybe out on book distribution. over.

NewsFlash!!!!

Sleepervadi has been spotted working as an Elvis impersonator at the MGM Grande in Las Vegas.

Recent reports have it that he has joined the flying Elvie and is planning his next parachute jump over Vegas on Christmas Day!!

Oh, no!!! Say it isn't so!

 

 

Son, I am HUGE into smooth jazz.

Smooth Jazz is the ultimate genre of music.

http://sky.fm/wma/smoothjazz.asx

 

THE FINAL CONCLUSION

 

 

Ok.

That is your conclusion so we don't expect to have to listen to your sleepervadi rant anymore.

You have said your peace.

Now, go crawl back into the hole you came from.

You have planted the seed of self-destruction.

Go back to your dungeon and set in your chair and wait for judgement day.

The Rupanuga letter was a dated letter that pertains ONLY to the disciples of Srila Prabhupada and even then that letter has been out-dated by more recent statements of Srila Prabhupada.

The fact is that there are many disciples of Sridhar Maharaja, Govinda Maharaja and others outside ISKCON all over the world.

To publish those personal letters of Srila Prabhupada publicly on international media at this point in time is totally callous, rude and offensive to the many Vaishnavas who are not disciples of Srila Prabhupada.

The editor at the sampradayasun is a rascal for publishing that rubbish in 2007 and flagrantly offending so many Vaishnavas who have no connection to ISKCON.

These clowns will have to live with their indiscretions for the rest of their life.

They have pissed their own bed and now they must lay in it.

Wow!! This piece makes my work seem like child's play. Very touching!

At this stage of my life I relish such sweet, soft and contemplative flute music.

About 11 years ago I was in a hard rock type band with some Hare Krishna types including Ramadasa Abhirama das the renowned ISKCON artist.

We played HARD rock stuff with devotional lyrics.

I wrote most of the songs for the band and arranged the basic chords.

Now, I am so far away from that space that it cannot be described.

I have lived hard, taken lots of bumps and bruises and evolved to a much more solemn mood.

I don't like music that excites.

I like music that soothes my tortured soul.

So, that is how I come to appreciate the flute music of George Torterell who is also a Gainesville resident.

Otherwise, I am also an avid fan of the smooth jazz genre.

I keep thinking to someday put some devotional lyrics to some of my favorite music.

It might just be a flight of fancy.

But, the rock music has totally fallen out of favor in my life and I cannot stand to listen to that kind of music anymore.

But, no doubt, some of Srila Prabhupada bhajans on harmonium are about as soothing and pleasing sounds that can enter the ears.

This campaign to malign Srila Sridhar Maharaja with some old, out-dated letters from Srila Prabhupada is simply negative propaganda by a section of devotees who want to demean and denigrate another section of devotees who have taken siksha and diksha from Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

If anyone chooses not to accept such siksha then they can just avoid.

Why do they have to make propaganda on the world wide web against Sridhar Maharaja some 30 years after the fact?

At this point it is nothing less than offensive.

If you don't choose to take siksha from Srila Sridhar Maharaja or his successor then just don't do it.

But, this publicity campaign against Sridhar Maharaja and his followers is just a malicious slander campaign by some misguided, arrogant and narrow-minded bigots.

Nobody is canvassing ISKCON devotees to leave and join the camp of Sridhar Maharaja.

It is just aparadha of the worst kind for anyone to be making this kind of slander campaign against Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

During the time of Srila Sridhar Maharaja at least the ISKCON leadership had the wisdom to send an emissary to Srila Sridhar Maharaja and admit offenses and ask for his foregiveness.

At least the ISKCON GBC had a little intelligence..

These fools making the current slander campaign on the web do not represent the official ISKCON leadership who made their peace with Srila Sridhar Maharaja while they still had the opportunity.

These rascals who are publishing this nonsense propaganda of out-dated letters of Srila Prabhupada have no decency and are simply derelicts with no conscience and no good manners.

If you don't approve of Sridhar Maharaja then nobody is twisting your arm to accept him.

But, they are not satisfied with that.

They have to make mischief and spread poison that simply perpetuates the turmoil that is disturbing Lord Chaitanya's movement.

Srila Prabhupada had no monopoly on preaching Krishna consciousness.

Mahaprabhu ordered ALL Vaishnavas from India to preach Krishna consciousness all over the world.

Nobody has the right to interfere with that - NOT EVEN Srila Prabhupada.

Anyone that trys to interfere with Vaishnavas from India who preach Krishna consciousness all over the world are trying to block the mission of Mahaprabhu.

There is no other word to describe them except OFFENDERS.

More like Melvin X

Maybe the girls around Cebu know him as Melvin the pelvis?

I hope to become more of a swan and less of a honking goose.

Just don't become a chicken in the process!

we are experts only at boasting of our own superiority. our farms are a failure, our schools are a failure, our own society is hardly an example for anybody to follow.

 

talk is cheap. show me how you are going to live without modern technology.

 

jet flying sannyasis in expensive robes, waited on hand and foot by eager disciples bringing them everything they need, preaching the ills of modernity... this is SO FAKE it makes me sick. nobody is buying this kind of a show and the empty temples are a proof.

 

I support HONESTY and REASON. Vedic civilization was very advanced. The problem is not in technology, but in motivation.

Yep.

Swami Prabhupad as far as I know advised that we should use anything modern technology has to offer if only we use them for propagating Krsna consciousness only.

Good point.

Everything hinges on this.

Otherwise, the leaders of ISKCON should have been leading the society towards simply living and high thinking in self-sufficient agricultural based living.

They have been too busy as career ISKCON gurus and trying to gather up enough followers to support their jet-set lifestyles to worry about the longe-range future of ISKCON as a society based on Vedic principles.

how true.

Modern man is surely setting himself up for a global cataclysm of technological breakdown as governments, industry and the economy become totally dependent on petroleum, computers and nuclear energy.

ISKCON was supposed to become the world leader in return to "simple living and high thinking" but has simply become just another cog in the wheel of modern society and dependence on all the things that are destroying the planet - petroleum dependecy, nuclear power etc. etc.

ISKCON is living just like all the rest of the lemmings of modern civilization that are running off the cliff of technological dependence.

More intolerance and fundamentalism! If this is reflective of standard Chaitanya Vaishnava thought, then the greatest act of piety one could do would be to save Krishna from the Hare Krishnas.

I think the way that this apparent extremism can be explained is that the idea is that the religion of ONE supreme God above all gods is more-or-less the ONE religion that the Bhagavat and the Vaishnavas advocate.

Srila Prabhupada praised Jesus and Mohammed because they both preached the message of one supreme God.

I think the meaning is that there are not many Gods or an impersonal reality above all others.

The ONE religion is the religion of worship and service to the ONE supreme God.

So, in that way all the Monotheistic religions are more-or-less Vaishnavism.

That is how I resolve this apparent extremism at the basis of the Bhagavat siddhanta.

Dear readers of this Letter. Pamho agt Srila Prabhupada.

There is one very interesting point regarding the letter from Srila Prabhupada to Rupanuga from 28th April 1974 in relationship to Sridhara Maharaja.

Srila Prabhupada: "You are right about Sridhar Maharaj's genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service". I must say this statement of Srila Prabhupada really confused me for many years. He seemed to be making the point that Sridhar Maharaj was genuine and that he's the best of the lot and yet in the next breath he seems to be speaking sarcastically by saying "at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service".

This seeming contradiction lodged within my mind, and did not surface until many years later at a time when I was visiting Alachua with Jitarati and my wife Lokadrsti. Jitarati wanted to meet with Rupanuga so I took the opportunity to accompany him. During our discussions with him "this seeming contradiction" that had been stored up for many years in my mind resurfaced. So I took the opportunity and asked Rupanuga to kindly clear up my confusion.

Rupanuga said that In early 1974 he visited the Asrama of Sridhar Maharaj. He spent some time there and his realizations were very clear and strong about what was going on there. He stated that Sridhar Maharaja was trying to attract devotees away from Srila Prabhupada and Iskcon and over to himself. After crossing the Ganges and returning to the Iskcon Mayapura centre this fact was transmitted to Srila Prabhupada by mail.

Now for me the mystery was unraveled. Without insight into what Rupanuga had personally observed at Sridhar Maharaj's asrama and without knowing what he had conveyed to Srila Prabhupada by mail one would be excused thinking that when Srila Prabhupada said in his response to RUPANUGA "You are right about Sridhara Maharaj's genuineness" that he meant that Sridhara Maharaja was genuine.

This of course is not the case. Rupanuga had made it clear to Srila Prabhupada that Sridhara Mahararaj was going against vaisnava etiquete and he was not acting as a genuine well wisher of Srila Prabhupada or Iskcon. Thus one can understand that when Prabhupada said "you are right about Sridhar Maharaja's genuineness" he was referring to the lack of it. "Srila Prabhupada said "He's genuine and the best of the lot" (many ex Iskcon Sridhar followers would say) This very unfortunate misunderstanding is one of the main reasons so many Iskcon devotees went over to Sridhara Maharaj's camp.

Your servant

Kamsahanta dasa"

This is all lies and distortion.

See, the problem is that many, many devotees came to know Srila Sridhar Maharaja after the passing of Srila Prabhupada.

As such, they KNOW fully well that Sridhar Maharaja was never the kind of person that Rupanuga made him out to be.

So, either Rupanguga is a liar, a fool, an idiot or a dacoit or somebody else is misrepresenting him.

The description of Sridhar Maharaja as told by Rupanuga just doesn't fit the actual character of Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

Sridhar Maharaja actually never wanted to get involved with any of these western devotees.

He would have preferred to just be left alone.

He was not interested in Rupanuga or any of these western devotees.

He was dragged into the situation by western devotees and consented to try and help them out of duty to Srila Prabhupada and the mission of Mahaprabhu.

So, only a person who doesn't know anything about the actual person and character of Srila Sridhar Maharaja would believe this Rupanuga lie.

Anyone of those knew Srila Sridhar Maharaja knows that these kinds of accusations against Srila Sridhar Maharaja are just lies or misunderstandings by pea-brained idiots.

Outsiders have no right to judge.

People who live their lives on the basis of hearsay are the most pathetic fools of all.

The zonal acarya fiasco, if I'm not mistaken was initiated under Sridhara Maharaja advice.

You are seriously mistaken.

That all happened because Jayapataka Swami and the others came to Srila Sridhar Maharaja and told the lie that Srila Prabhupada appointed them as diksha gurus of ISKCON.

Srila Sridhar Maharaja being the simple Vaishnava trusted them and counceled them according to what he had been told.

However, he was told a LIE and therefore everything he said in support of those gurus was withdrawn later when Srila Sridhar Maharaja found out that they were telling a lie about the appointment as gurus.

Jayapataka Swami and the gang lied and created the situation.

If they had not lied about things then Srila Sridhar Maharaja would never have encouraged them.

He encouraged them because he was told it was the last wish of Srila Prabhupada.

It wasn't.

It was a lie and now Srila Sridhar Maharaja is being made the fall guy for this terrible lie.

To call the direct quotation of Prabhupada's instructions abuse is the most blatant and self-serving rhetoric.

Quote the last and final desire of Srila Prabhupada.

don't quote outdated instructions that was a martial law imposed when Srila Prabhupada heard that some of his Godbrothers were opposing him.

Srila Prabhupada eventually came to know that Srila Sridhar Maharaja was not with Madhava Maharaja, Tirtha Maharaja and some others that were talking against him to his disciples.

You need to understand the circumstances behind the Rupanuga letter.

It was a reaction to some events in India when some disciples of Srila Prabhupada were being canvassed by some Godbrothers of Srila Prabhupada which DID NOT include Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

Shortly after that Srila Prabhupada came to understand that Srila Sridhar Maharaja had actually turned these men away when they came to enlist him in their campaign against Srila Prabhupada.

Sridhar Maharaja defended Srila Prabhupada, supported him and rejected the Godbrothers who came to him for his support to subjugate Srila Prabhupada to them as their junior Godbrother.

You are working with a very scanty understanding of the situation.

Before you ruin your spiritual life with this dangerous position you need to understand a lot more about the circumstances of the Rupanuga letter and what transpired AFTER that which changed Srila Prabhupada's position towards his old friend Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

Srila Prabhupada's LAST and final meeting with Srila Sridhar Maharaja and his statements about Srila Sridhar Maharaja:

(Rupanuga letter dated 1974)

March 1977.

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami: I do not know for how long I will be able to carry on. So, I came to see Sridhar Maharaj.

Devotee: If you all go away, then the world will become dark.

Srila Sridhar Maharaj: [to Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami] It is so wonderful that the will of the Lord becomes manifest through someone.

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami: I want very much, Maharaj, that you come and stay at Mayapur. Because Prabhupad always desired that you preach. He told me quite a few times, "Why don't you pull him out?" [They both laugh.] You know, I also tried to some extent before, but somehow or other it did not work out. Now, why don't you come and stay at Mayapur? Srila Prabhupad told me also, "Sridhar Maharaj is one of the finest preachers." I want to take you everywhere. At least at the place we have in Mayapur, people are coming from all over the world. Why don't you come and stay there? If you just agree, then whatever kind of building you want, I will arrange it for you. They are trying to build a house for me. So both of us will stay there. And whenever you want, you can come here to your Math.

Srila Sridhar Maharaj: Yes, as long as I am alive to fulfill Prabhupad's desire.

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami: This is my earnest desire. Since you could not go around the world and preach, at least stay there and people will come to you. I shall make that arrangement. If you stay, then it will be helpful to me also. Sometimes I need to consult with someone but there is no one. There is no one that I can consult. I feel this deficiency very greatly.

Devotee: If he stays in Mayapur, then, all kinds of people will get to hear from him.

Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami: Yes, that's right.

Srila Sridhar Maharaj: Yes, people from all kinds of cultural backgrounds will come there.

Bhaktivedanta Swami: Yes, and they are already coming. And in that house I will make arrangements for an elevator so that you won't have to go through the difficulty of walking up and down the stairs. You won't even have to move a step yourself. I'll make arrangements for a car and a lift. My disciples are telling me that they will build a house for me. So, both of us will stay in that house. Most of the time I am travelling around, so if you are there, then they can get some guidance. So, Maharaj, please, give me the order and I will make all the arrangements for you. That Planetarium [The "Temple of Understanding"] also will be built under your direction. My idea is to combine the Indian culture and the American money -- the lame man and the blind man policy. I tell them also that this will be very beneficial for the world.

This is how Srila Prabhupada wanted to leave this world and his FINAL position on Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

Yes it confirms the point that the guru wars are less about the tattva than the guru.

Yes it confirms the point that the guru wars are less about the tattva than the pseudo aparadhi gurus.