Guruvani

where do you get the authority to make such judgements of others? as if you aren't a prakrita sahajiya? the worst sahajiyas of all are the sahajiyas who think that some formal diksha makes them better than other devotees. now that is scam if I ever heard a scam so, I guess you fancy yourself a Maha-Bhagavat to be calling other sincere devotees as sahajiya? you are not a Maha-Bhagavat.

Srila Prabhupada established in ISKCON what he referred to as a Life Member Program. This program was about cultivating congregational members of ISKCON who were supporters of ISKCON temples and ISKCON preaching programs. These Life Members were not initiated devotees. They were congregational members. Srila Prabhupada was thus also interested to cultivate a congregation of ISKCON Life Members who would help support ISKCON temples and preaching programs. These life members were expected to read the books of Srila Prabhupada and attend ISKCON functions.

my spiritual master Srila Prabhupada never acknowledged that Vipina Bihari Goswami was the spiritual master of Bhaktivinode. therefore, I do not accept it. I don't even know of an occasion where Srila Prabhupada even mentioned the name of Vipina Bihari Goswami. Srila Saraswati Thakur went against that Nityananda vamsa and rejected their monopoly.

Srila Prabhupada:

why does everybody always get stuck on the diksha guru and minimize the siksha guru? Srila Prabhupada said that the siksha gurus comes first and that generally the siksha guru becomes the diksha guru later on. So, it seems like that the first thing an aspiring newcomer would want to do is find a siksha guru who can answer all his questions. Then, later, the siksha guru might also become the diksha guru. That is the way of the Bhagavat marga. In Vaidika culture diksha comes first and then the student is taught the Vedas and the logic shastra called Nyaya. But, in Vaishnavism the bhagavat marga is prominent with panacharatrika-vidhi playing the supporting role. So, first of all is most importat to get education in Krishna consciousness. First, the candidate must learn Bhagavad-gita As It Is from the acharya, then go on to Srimad Bhagavatam etc. But, the cult of diksha guru comes before siksha guru is a big cheater cult and is not in line with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. These cheater gurus don't want you to get good siksha first, because then you will be smart enough to avoid the cheater gurus. So, these cheater gurus they are all about diksha, to get the disciple under his control and then most of the time these diksha gurus don't even give the disciple proper siksha to help them advance in Krishna consciousness. So, nobody should worry about diksha until he has proper foundation in Krishna consciousness teachings and the shastra. Then, when one is very informed about the true qualities of the guru, then he can committ to a diksha guru. Diksha guru is not supreme. Diskha guru comes after one find the proper siksha guru. Many times the siksha guru is predominant in the faith of a devotee if the devotee is hasty in taking diksha. If the devotee is patient and wise, then he can accept his siksha guru to then become diksha guru and everything will have the best order. Sadhus and siksha gurus are important. Then, when one is very sure of his decision he can accept diksha guru. But, diksha in the Bhagavat marga is not formal. It is initiation through Srimad Bhagavatam as Sukadeva was initiated that way. The whole Bhagavat marga is based on Sukadeva Goswami and his Bhagavat diksha though spiritual knowledge. In the Bhagavat Marga as shown by Sukadeva, even formal Pancaratrika diksha is not absolutely necessary. Students of the Bhagavat are liberated souls already. They are beyond formal diksha. Mahaprabhu said even a sudra who knows the Science of Krishna consciosness can be a guru. So, the sudra does not have diksha or sacred thread, but still he can be guru if he knows Krishna-tattva. Ramananda Raya was one such sudra. The topmost guru was sudra.

how come Lord Ramacandra would kill deer with his bow?

According to Sri Chaitanya, the material body can be transformed into an aprakrita (spiritual body) even in this lifetime. so, the notion that we must wait to go back to Godhead to get a spiritual body is false. A devotee who has mastered the senses and fully engages in Krishna consciousness devotional service transforms his material body into a spiritual body. Otherwise, you cannot serve Krishna or the deities with a material body. Devotional service spiritualizes the body even in this present body. Pure devotees in this world don't have material bodies, though they appear to.

Well, Mahasrngha is obviously turning his back on this well known letter that Srila Prabhupada wrote to one of his senior disciples. So, this letter is not a forgery or a fraud and Srila Prabhupada was not being coerced by anyone to say that he considered Sridhar Maharaja as his siksha guru. Here is another very intimate look into the relationship of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

These instructions here completly expose the fraud and the fallacy that the GBC still claims to represent Srila Prabhupada. These words are so important for understanding what Srila Prabhupada actually wanted ISKCON to be.

If we have love and respect, then there is no need for title and position. Title and position is for those who are trying to make ISKCON a career. We use title and position to get what we can't get through natural love and respect. I have no use for any corperate position holders or any false title that I can use for my prestige. Krishna consciousness shouldn't be a career. It's about personal spiritual growth. It's not something we can make a career off of. If we try to make Krishna consciousness a career, then we are simply cheating ourselves and cheating others as well. ISKCON gurus aren't the only ones that are trying to make a career out of Krishna consciousness. There are many ISKCON devotees that use ISKCON as a livelyhood. When I retire it will be with a small circle of devotees that I love and trust, not with a crowd of devotees who have made a career out of ISKCON. I am sure Srila Prabhupada is disgusted with the eccesiastical bureacuracy that ISKCON has become. He wanted representatives, not bureaucracy. He said if ISKCON becomes a bureaucracy that everything will be spoiled. Everything has been spoiled. There are two different ISKCONs. There is the ISKCON of Srila Prabhupada and the ISKCON of the GBC. The GBC ISKCON is not the real ISKCON. There is a big difference between spiritual ISKCON and corperate ISKCON. Spiritual ISKCON has just about been strangled to death by corperate ISKCON. We need to recreate the real ISKCON somewhere outside the corperate ISKCON, because the two are just mutually exclusive by nature. You can't have both anymore. The corperate ISKCON is like a cancer that has killed the spiritual ISKCON.

you missed the point. we should get Srila Saraswati Thakur from those that have understood him, not by independently reading his writings and thinking we can understand. If I accept Sridhar Maharaja as siksha guru, then I can understand something about Srila Saraswati Thakur from him, but not by reading the writings of Saraswati Thakur and using his words to overturn the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. Shastra gives me the right to accept as many siksha gurus as I like. Nobody has the right to stop me. So, I learn about Srila Saraswati Thakur from those disciples who knew Him, not from reading his writings independently and using that to ignore the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. so, there is no contradiction. Sridhar Maharaja never advocated that we could neglect the instructions of our own spiritual master by resorting to the teachings of previous acharyas. He never said that if we don't like what our spiritual master has ordered us to do that we can go around him and bow down to some previous acharya and make up our own plan.

BINGO!

Srila Prabhupada's mission was given to him by Srila Saraswati Thakur. He instructed Srila Prabhupada to preach to the English speaking people and to publish books on Krishna consciousness for the English speaking world. Srila Prabhupada's mission was NOT to be a branch or a carbon copy of the Gaudiya Math. He was not instructed by his guru that his mission was to create a branch of the Gaudiya Math in the western world. Just as Srila Saraswati Thakur was unique in his mission and NOT a carbon copy of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, Srila Prabhupada was never meant to be a carbon copy of Srila Saraswati Thakur nor was ISKCON ever meant to be a carbon copy of the Gaudiya Math. I totally agree that the disciples of Srila Prabhupada should not be very concerned with Srila Saraswati Thakur over and above what Srila Prabhupada gave in regards to his teachings. We should get Srila Saraswati Thakur ONLY through Srila Prabhupada and NOT otherwise - not from anyone else. (well, except Sridhar Maharaja). There is too much of this going around Srila Prabhupada to try and understand the teachings of Srila Saraswati Thakur. I am not totally innocent of this myself, but as least I admit that it is wrong and that I should never have done that. ISKCON doesn't need to know anything more about Srila Saraswati Thakur than what Srila Prabhupada gave in his books and his teachings. Sometimes devotees even try to go against what Srila Prabhupada has given by referencing something in the writings of Srila Saraswati Thakur. This kind of attitude is wrong. It is bad. It is bogus. It is foolish. Disciples of Srila Prabhupada got everything they needed for spiritual life from Srila Prabhupada. There is no use in trying to go around Srila Prabhupada and understand Srila Saraswati Thakur separately from what Srila Prabhupada has given. The western world needs to keep focused on Srila Prabhupada. Srila Saraswati Thakur had a different mission and a different situation. Mahaprabhu personally sent Srila Prabhupada to bring Krishna consciousness to the peoples of the western world. Woe to the fools who go against Srila Prabhupada and preach against what Srila Prabhupada has done and what he has given. Srila Prabhupada is a personal representative of Lord Nityananda. If you offend Srila Prabhupada your spiritual life is a hoax, not matter how great you appear from external appearances. Devotees who haven't even't realized what Srila Prabhuapda has given are trying to go around Srila Prabhupada directly to Srila Saraswati Thakur, but it will never really help them because they haven't even been able to realize the teachings of Srila Prabhupada, so what use is there for them to approach Srila Saraswati Thakur. These people are more concerned with prestige, image and position than they are in realizing Krishna consciouness. They became so dependent on the organizations that for them profile and image was more important than actually realizing Krishna. They become career gurus and dependents on the institution, so for them profile and image is more important than actually realizing Krishna. They sometimes use Srila Saraswati Thakur as a device for their own ambitions, but in the end they just end up as pretenders and profilers who make their living as Hare Krishna gurus. some of these career gurus are very prestigious and popular. but, they unfortunately have cheated themselves out of the nectar.

yes. there are some ISKCON Hare Krishna devotees who dispute this and they say that the souls fall from the spiritual planets, but that theory cannot be supported in any proper Vedic scripture. they base their theory on some rather vague statements.

the absolute whole has three aspects. brahman paramatma Bhagavan all three aspects of the absolute whole.

the realm of light known as the brahmajyoti is NOT the highest level of spiritual existence. It is in the fact the lowest level of spiritual existence and is not secure. if a soul within that realm of light gets exposed to material energy there is the chance that the soul can become attracted by the forms and sounds of the material illusion. the light is not the end, it is the beginning. from there many souls fall down into material illusion due to lack of higher spiritual knowledge of what is beyond the light. just like light photons start out in the Sun, but many of them end up on Earth. If that light photon leaves the Sun planet, then it travels in space until it contacts some planet and the energy gets transformed in many ways.

Maha-mantra is the same thing. Srila Prabhupada:

basically yes, as the soul evolves it gets higher life forms with better brain for acquiring knowledge. as far as a time period from micro-life to human, that has been calculated as millions of years, but I have never heard any specific number of millions of years. if we don't have authoritative information from the Vedic shastra, then all we can do is make a guess. but, we have been advised not to waste time with those sorts of scientific calculations but to use our energy in spiritual cultivation.

the Vedic scriptures describe that the soul is like a spark and the absolute spirit whole is like a fire. if a spark pops out from that fire, then the spark is practically extinguished. so, the body of God (Krishna) glows with divine light and if a spark of the divine light gets caught up in the material illusion, then that spark of divine light becomes dis-integrated with the absolute spirit whole. it is eternally a part and parcel of the supreme spirit whole, but in contact with material illusion the soul falls away and starts a long journey of evolution through development of consciousness starting from the lowest form of life and moving up and up through the process of evolution of the soul through the species.

it appears that brahmacarya is misspelled in that domain name you are advertising in your signature. but, soul in the micro-organism is the same as the soul of Lord Brahma. the difference is the subjective evolution of consciousness. when a soul becomes dis-integrated with the absolute whole it begins a long journey of evolution in consciousness. after many millions of years of evolution of the soul, the soul acquires greater knowledge and experience and evolves through higher forms of life. the soul of the micro-organism is the same as the soul of the human, only far less evolved through the life forms.

sweet..... anyone who thinks that nectar doesn't come through audio recordings is just very unfortunate as far as I can see. I didn't hear a tape player. I heard Srila Sridhar Maharaja.

sounds like he is running out of money. ten million goes quick when you are having fun.