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07-09-2007, 08:18 PM
It looks like one of the ISKCON "acharyas" has been chastised and disciplined by the ISKCON administrative body.
This system of gurus under the thumb of a governing body committee is a serious assault on the "traditional parampara" that ISKCON claims to follow with it's multitude of "acharyas" like this one.
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Satsvarupa's "Sanatorium"
<center> </center> BY: GBC EC <center> </center>
Jul 09, EUROPE (SUN) — In response to some devotees’ concerns regarding his book “Sanatorium”, Satsvarupa Maharaja has given the following comment and has also decided to withdraw from circulation any remaining copies of the book. - Dear Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I have come to realize that my book “Sanitorium” contains explicit sexual scenes and references. I am sorry I have written it. I apologize and promise not to write a book like this again. Yours in service to Prabhupada, Satvarupa das Goswami
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"traditional gurus"?
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Why can't they just admit the truth that without the ritvik system ISKCON will never succeed?
A real "acharya" would tell the committee to kiss his behind.
But, to keep the meal ticket and ISKCON quarters intact, the "acharya" has bowed to the committee.
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left over zonal -
07-09-2007, 08:20 PM
Isn't Satvarupa one of the original zoned acaryas? Just the process of appointing gurus by committee as though it were a post you could apply for is ludicrous.
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07-09-2007, 08:23 PM
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Isn't Satvarupa one of the original zoned acaryas? Just the process of appointing gurus by committee as though it were a post you could apply for is ludicrous.
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yeah, they got all confused.
Because Srila Prabhupada had said that "whoever was closest" could give initiation.
So, that in itself indicates a ritvik system and not a faith based guru system.
As well, they were all GBC men at that time too.
So, by zone they took over and then tried to convert that into a "regular guru" system.
Obviously, their ideas were all confused.
Personal ambition can really blind one to the truth.
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07-09-2007, 08:32 PM
In order to really rectify the zonal guru system all the "zonal gurus" should have been removed from that zone and re-assigned by the ALMIGHTY GBC that can even discipline an "acharya".
But, they stayed in place and built their empires off of that false platform of the zonal guru system that still lingers in ISKCON even today.
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Fraud -
07-09-2007, 10:04 PM
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Jul 09, EUROPE (SUN) — In response to some devotees’ concerns regarding his book “Sanatorium”, Satsvarupa Maharaja has given the following comment and has also decided to withdraw from circulation any remaining copies of the book. - Dear Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I have come to realize that my book “Sanitorium” contains explicit sexual scenes and references. I am sorry I have written it. I apologize and promise not to write a book like this again. Yours in service to Prabhupada, Satvarupa das Goswami
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"I have come to realize..." This statement of Satsvarupa's is very telling and should not go unnoticed.
Krsna's devotee's are suppose to write from the position of realization. They realize first then they write. Not that they write and later come to realize they wrote nonsense.
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07-09-2007, 10:09 PM
Once upon a time there was an alligator in a swamp near Guruvani's shack in North Florida. This alligator was very special because he had taken a vow never to eat devotees. The devotees had named him bhakta Albert, because Albert the Alligator is a legend in North Florida. One day a young adult female gator who was later known by the name of Alberta swam into Albert's swamp...
Dear Devotees and Administrators,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I have come to realize that my short story about the gator couple Albert and Alberta contains explicit crocodilian scenes and references. I am sorry I have written it. I apologize and promise not to write a short story like this again. Yours in service to Prabhupada, Beggar.
PS My wife has forced me to go to Crocodilians Anonymous so that I can get a grip on the underlying issues around my gator addiction.
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07-09-2007, 10:27 PM
"I have come to realize that my book “Sanitorium” contains explicit sexual scenes and references."
He has come to realize? Didn't he pay attention when he wrote it? When he went over it with his editors and proofreaders?
I'm sorry, but this is just bizarre.
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07-09-2007, 10:35 PM
Stalin's"Sanatorium Letter"
BY: Politburo Moscow
Jan 09, 1949 Moscow (Tass) — In response to some comrades concerns regarding 10,000,000 missing comrades, Joseph Stalin has given the following comment and has also decided to withdraw from circulation his orders to execute enemies of the people.
* Dear Comrades,
Please accept my greetings. All glories to Marx and Lenin. I have come to realize that while in the “Sanitorium” that if you shoot people by firing squads or overwork and starve them in slave labor camps that they will die. I am sorry I didn't know, I'm just a country boy from Eurasian Georgia. I apologize and promise not to issue orders like this again. Yours in service to the revolution, Joseph Stalin, Premier CCCP
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07-09-2007, 10:50 PM
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07-10-2007, 02:37 AM
What is this man thinking?: "Dang this sure beats living in an old age home!"
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07-10-2007, 09:41 AM
Do not follow this dog to hell.
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07-10-2007, 10:30 AM
This case is a good example of why the GBC does have to keep these "gurus" under thumb and that they are not really "gurus" or "acharyas", otherwise they would not need to be under the control of a corperate board.
A real guru or acharya is divinely inspired from within.
He cannot be disciplined by a corperate board.
Obviously, these are not real gurus.
So, why do they keep up the facade of "traditional parampara" in ISKCON.
They don't have a traditional parampara or traditional gurus by any stretch of the imagination.
They gave up Srila Prabhupada's authorized program and manufactured some bogus system of make-believe gurus.
Insanity is obviously the result.
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Assuming the Superior Position while Trapped in the Gunas -
07-10-2007, 10:44 AM
O son of PRthA, that understanding which cannot distinguish between religion and irreligion, between action that should be done and action that should not be done, is in the mode of passion. [BG 8.31]
That understanding which considers irreligion to be religion and religion to be irreligion, under the spell of illusion and darkness, and strives always in the wrong direction, O PArthA, is in the mode of ignorance. [BG 8.32]
The ViSNudUtas said: Alas, how painful it is that irreligion is being introduced into an assembly where religion should be maintained. Indeed, those in charge of maintaining the religious principles are needlessly punishing a sinless, unpunishable person. [SB 6.2.2]
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07-10-2007, 10:58 AM
The Nectar of Instruction 6 purport:
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The advanced Vaiṣṇava is always situated as the spiritual master, and the neophyte is always considered his disciple. The spiritual master must not be subjected to the advice of a disciple, nor should a spiritual master be obliged to take instructions from those who are not his disciples.
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Well, the GBC says that the gurus ARE obliged to take instructions from those who are not disciples.
So, the GBC has manufactured a system that directly disobeys Srila Prabhupada's instruction that the spiritual master is NOT obliged to take instructions from any corperate board.
The puppy dog gurus of ISKCON are only gurus in their own minds.
They are actually lackeys of the corperate board.
Gurus don't bow to any corperate committee.
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07-10-2007, 11:05 AM
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Insanity is obviously the result.
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It is said that by meditating on the faults of others that one will actually develop those faults. What if one is already insane?
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07-10-2007, 11:11 AM
Some of the children were heard to say, "O' he paints like Kandinsky;" O' he is so bohemian in his writing, the avant garde guru;" "O' he plays flute like Krsna," as they danced gleefully entranced behind him.
No one asked, "Where is he going?", "Where is he leading us to?"
To question is to doubt they thought. Doubt is failure to those whose faith is blind.
"He lies naked in bed with with his naked female 'therapist', said one." "Shush..don't doubt admonished another. Just take another drink of the special Kool Aid and dance on." "Isn't ignorance just so blissful!"
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07-10-2007, 01:19 PM
seriously,
this system of the "guru" being under the authority of the "committee" is a major offense to the system of parampara.
the guru is supposed to be empowered by Krishna and representing him directly.
how then can the guru be brought under the control of the committee?
It is a horrific mutilation of the sacred parampara system.
It's not a minor detail.
It is a HUGE deviation and a monsterous assault on all that is sacred in the parampara system.
the GBC is totally callous to the fact that their GBC guru system is a heinous assault on the parampara system.
they act as if the issue is irrelevant.
the issue is not irrelevant.
The GBC is irrelevant up against a guru, but they don't understand that.
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Speaking of the GBC -
07-10-2007, 03:12 PM
I'll try again. Does anybody have a good source for the history of the GBC.
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07-10-2007, 03:22 PM
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I'll try again. Does anybody have a good source for the history of the GBC.
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I don't know of anything.
What in particular are you looking for?
ISKCON has not documented these things.
They actually live in a shroud of secrecy.
There is no open and transparent history of the GBC that you are looking for.
It's all kept under wraps by the ISKCON administration.
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07-10-2007, 03:25 PM
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I'll try again. Does anybody have a good source for the history of the GBC.
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In late 1977, just after Srila Prabhupada's (untimely departure?), the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON declared that eleven GBC had been "appointed by Srila Prabhupada as his guru successors." However, many of us (the rank and file members of ISKCON) doubted this "guru appointment" from the outset, since Srila Prabhupada had said that "guru by appointment" was a bogus misconception found in the 1930s Gaudiya Matha. He also said that guru cannot be made by "rubber stamping" a defective person.
One of the original 1977 "contentious questions" was, for example: "Where is the specific evidence that eleven GBCs have been appointed as gurus"? We were told, quite vociferously and militantly at that time, that the eleven gurus had been appointed on May 28th, 1977. However, to date no one from the GBC has ever even shown where any gurus had ever been "appointed," nor has the GBC answered this question with a solid document of proof in more than twenty years.
Instead, many GBCs and even some of the eleven so-called "appointed gurus" have subsequently admitted that the "May 28th appointment of eleven gurus" announcement in November 1977, was and is a fraud and a hoax. The GBC has thus never shown how "the eleven" were meant to to become recognized as gurus in the first place? In short, the original "appointment of gurus" formula was simply a "big lie." Tamal Krishna, the master mind of that bogus guru system, admitted in the Topanga Canyon conversations that Srila Prabhupada never appointed any gurus, only ritviks. And worse, many other subsequent GBC lies have been discovered.....
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