Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Also if Srimati Radharani aspires to her service to gain the favour of Krsna, how can it be she was more devoted than Sri Radha before Radharani, How is such a thing possible? You are trying to measure the immeasurable. Sometimes even Krishna (God Himself) worships others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Regarding the neem tree, if one eats five or six fresh neem leaves every day, mosquitoes will not bite you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Originally posted by jndas: In Vrindavana everyone serves the Lord in Madhurya rasa. Even a light study of "The Nectar of Devotion" (ISBN 0-912776072-2 hardbound) by AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad tends to contradict the above statement. See especially Part 3. <u>Shaanta Ras</u> is deemed foundational and inherent in the other four "primary" rasa-s. Clearly the Gopas in Vrindaban are mostly sakhya-rati and Yasodha and Nandan are vaatsalya-rati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Shaanta Ras is deemed foundational and inherent in the other four "primary" rasa-s. Clearly the Gopas in Vrindaban are mostly sakhya-rati and Yasodha and Nandan are vaatsalya-rati. The foundation of those rasas in Vrindavana is madhurya. This isn't a topic for me to discuss, so I will avoid it. But you can refer to the writings of Sripada Narayana Maharaja for further clarification. [This message has been edited by jndas (edited 11-02-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valaya Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Am I right or wrong in thinking that madhurya means `sweetness` and that all of Vrindavan is attracted by Sri Krsna's sweetness, as opposed to His greatness, power, etc.? So sweetness could be considered as the basis of all the inhabitants' relationships with Krsna from that perspective. valaya RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 jndas: In Vrindavana everyone serves the Lord in Madhurya rasa. talasiga: Even a light study of "The Nectar of Devotion" (ISBN 0-912776072-2 hardbound) by AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad tends to contradict the above statement. See especially Part 3. Shaanta-rasa is deemed foundational and inherent in the other four "primary" rasa-s. Clearly the Gopas in Vrindaban are mostly sakhya-rati and Yasodha and Nandan are vaatsalya-rati. PRABHUPAD:.....in the Eleventh Canto of Shr[ee]mad-Bh[aa]gvatam, Lord K[rishn]a personally instructs Uddhava like this: "The state of being established in My personal form is called [shaa]nta-rasa, and without being situated in this position, no one can advance to actual pure devotional service." In other words, no one can be situated in the personal feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead without being situated at least in [shaa]nta-rasa. (The Nectar of Devotion at end of Chapter 35) jndas: The foundation of those rasas in Vrindavana is madhurya. talasiga: This is quite a beautiful proposition and intuitively I find it acceptable. Prabhupad's comments on Lord Krishna's pronouncements about the precedence of shhanta-rasa need not preclude special pre-eminence of madhura-rasa in the very special Vrindaban. However the statement, "In Vrindavana everyone serves the Lord in Madhurya rasa" must continue to be incorrect even in the light of the proposition that "The foundation of those rasas in Vrindavana is madhurya". For instance just because shaanta-rasa is foundational to the other rasa-s doesn't mean that you can say, "The Gopis serve the Lord in shaanta" ! And in pursuance of the proposition for the pre-eminence of madhura: Neither can you correctly say, that, as a generality, "In Vrindaban, Yashoda serves the Lord in madhura-rasa" ! [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-02-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasanudas Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 I hope you will find this laboriously unpoetic response useful and enjoyable. Now I have three favors to ask: 1. What is the name of the Gopi who is most expert in herbal lore? 2. When Lord Ramachandra had an emergency /b] illness why did He not accept some Tulsi instead of requiring some fruit that resulted in poor HanumanJi having to bring Him a mountain ? 3. What is the name of the Gopi who is most expert in argument ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Dasanudas Dasanudas Where you been so long ? Dasanudas Dasanudas Where you been so long ? I got a flute that tootles I got a bell that rings Have you been house moving ? How sad the pine hurst sings ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasanudas Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Originally posted by talasiga: Dasanudas Dasanudas Where you been so long ? Dasanudas Dasanudas Where you been so long ? I got a flute that tootles I got a bell that rings Have you been house moving ? How sad the pine hurst sings ..... SOFT RAIN OF MERCY I bin drenched in the lava of a Golden Volcanoe And tryin’ to see the friend in the foe Bin riding the waves in the eye of the hurricane Tryin’ to see how we’re all different, still within we’re the same Drowning in the tsunami of babble and confusion Trying to feel the hot breeze on His way to Gaur arati And hangin’ out for for an invite to that eternal party I’ve been waiting for the chariot to bum a ride An I bin prayin’ for the ocean to turn its’ tide I bin tryin’ this, and tryin’ that and it’s bin tryin’ me An it’s a soft, it’s a soft, It’s a soft an'gentle shower‘s a’ gonna sprinkle An what did I hear my doe eyed son ? And what did I miss my lotus eyed one? Heard the sankirtan drummers whose hands were a’ bleedin’ I heard a sprout cry ‘freedom’ from a crack at ground zero I heard a fiddler on the roof imitating a sad swansong Heard the ‘Song of God’ sung by a saint fall on deaf ears Heard a childs’ laughter drown in a raging river a’ tears And a message of faith transformed to a chorus of fears I heard the sound of one karatal searchin’ for its mate And I too heard the jester to the thief stress, ‘The hour’s getting late’ And I heard an unsung song still coming this way And it’s a soft, It’s a soft, It’s a solf shouwaaaaaaas gunna sprinkle. And who did I meet my doe eyed son ? And who did I meet my lotus eyed one? I met a Dravidian King in the guise of a gardener An’ I met a young maid who gave me the holy breath Then I met another who took it away I met a very blue boy with a heart a’ gold And a few rare souls who’ve not yet been sold I met a rainbow warrior, who gave me the pulse of the Earth And a babe in the woods, who taught me what it’s all worth An’ it’s a soft, it’s a soft, it’s a soft voice ‘s gonna call And where will I go now my lotus eyed Lord After travellin’ so long and I’m no longer awed Like cataka I’ll stay fixed on the monsoon of ambrosia Where the saints divine mercy gives this heartburn closure Where the holy names heard from each dawn to dawn Where nobody dies and nobodies born To the evergreen pastures, by sweet singing streams And our life is a fullfillment of His wildest dreams Where the dear and the tiger together gracefully graze And where all speech is a song of Their purest praise And it’s a gentle, it’s a gentle, it’s a gentle showwwwwaaaaaas’ gonna sprinkle. I jus’ bin here! No matter how hard I try to go elsewhere I always remain HERE! How’s life in the Great Divide, and what does a tootlin' flute sound like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dasanudas Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Ancient boomarang philosophy say. 'The smile you send out returns to you.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Originally posted by dasanudas: Ancient boomarang philosophy say. 'The smile you send out returns to you.' Ancient bullseye precept say: "The smile that hits its target falls with it." . . . ------------------ talasiga@hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRdd Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Ancient bombsaway teaching say: The smile that explodes in the heart better be God's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Ancient etherport instruction: "Passengers are reminded to declare all happiness before departure." . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRdd Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Ancient import directions say: Upon a rival (leave bags behind and) convey a friendly countenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Originally posted by JRdd: Ancient import directions say: Upon a rival (leave bags behind and) convey a friendly countenance. Ancient report recommendations say: "Upon a friend convey your sorrows." . . . . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul108 Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Originally posted by stonehearted: ...In '73, some devotees in Honolulu were making Tualsi tea for medicinal purposes (we had so much Tulasi!). When Srila Prabhupada heard about it, he ordered that they stop immediately. He said that Tualsi was not to be heated. He would make sun tea by putting manjaris in a jar of water and letting it sit for a while, sometimes in the sun. I hadn't heard about this before, but I've noticed that even putting Tulasi on a hot bhoga offering for Krishna would make her turn brown immediately. For this reason when offering hot milk to Krishna, I put Tulasi on the saucer instead of in the milk. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRdd Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Originally posted by talasiga: Ancient report recommendations say: "Upon a friend convey your sorrows." Ancient rapport dissertations say: "Upon your tongue convey the Names." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhaktavasya Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 Originally posted by JRdd: Here are some links to information, instructions (including the mantras for picking, etc.), lots of nectar on Tulasi-devi. The last link takes you to where you can get a book. http://www.harekrsna.com/science/worship/tulasi.htm http://www.vaisnava.net/tulasi-d.htm http://www.hknet.org.nz/parishad95.htm http://www.harekrishnatemple.com/bhakta/tulasipuja.html http://www.krsna.com/bazaar/books_other.htm thankyou, Jayaradhe. Am I alone here or did you and anyone else find the story of Tulasi, where she was once cursed by Radharani (as was poor Sudhama), and her alleged description of the heart of a woman a little far-fetched, a sort of take off from a similar alleged quote from Lami devi inserted in the Srimad Bhagwatam. Otherwise, wonderful information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, "There are not even hard and fast rules for chanting these names....." Originally posted by JRdd: "Upon your tongue convey the Names." No rules for the Holy Names to dance upon the tongue But may not the tongue host the Holy Herb unless all the songs are sung ? . . . ------------------ talasiga@hotmail.com . . . [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-05-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasanudas Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 No rules for the Holy Names to dance upon the tongue But may not the tongue host the Holy Herb unless all the songs are sung ? . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 talasiga: Dear Dasanudas - you appear to have had some problems quoting me (particularly the excerpt from Lord Chaitanya which steered my message) in your last post so here it is follwed by your own comments Originally posted by talasiga: Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, "There are not even hard and fast rules for chanting these names....." No rules for the Holy Names to dance upon the tongue But may not the tongue host the Holy Herb unless all the songs are sung ? Dasanudas: Bush flower remedy. Clues from the Muse Just the names of Vrnda devi on the tongue Will heal an ailing heart Just feel her homeopathic potency talasiga: Your response warrants an examination of a) whether the Holy Herb can appropriately be the subject of <u>utility</u> requiring a consideration of homeopathic potency CONCURRENTLY with the <u>piety</u> towards the Holy Herb professed by some. b) the modus operandi of homeopathy. However, as there is a spring storm brewing in Eastern Australia at this time (c. 11 PM, Tuesday night) I must switch off now. CLICK [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-06-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radhe Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Does anybody remember the story in which krishna is weighed against a tulasi leaft... Does anybody have the transcript of that story. Under what circumstances is it..that Krishna is weighed opp. all jewels..etc?? does anybody remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talasiga Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Originally posted by dasanudas: Just the names of Vrnda devi on the tongue Will heal an ailing heart Just feel her homeopathic potency "homeopathy..... School of medicine founded by Dr S.C.E. Hahnemann (1755-1843) in 1796 in Philadelphia, based on the theory that large doses of drugs that produce symptoms of a disease in healthy people will cure the same symptoms when administered in small amounts. This is loosely based on the theory that 'like cures like'." (from Edition 14 Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary) QUESTION for Dasanudas: In light of this explanation, <u>what exactly is the illness that you purport is caused by ocimum sanctum that is cured by it in a "homeopathic potency"</u> ? [This message has been edited by talasiga (edited 11-07-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRdd Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 I remember that story about the Tulasi leaf and the scale, but I don't remember it. I'm gonna try to find it. Talasiga, Mr Das refers to homoeopathy not in a literal sense but in a poetic and spiritual sense. Homoeopathy is so vibrational anyway, each hundred thousandth dilution taking you deeper, that I think it is a great analogy. I have another dilemma. I see that Paul is so conscious of not offending Tulasi that he places her leaves on the side of the hot milk rather than wilt her. Whether that is necessary or not I don't know. I remember we always put leaves with manjari on Krsna's milk in the temples. Now here is my similar dilemma though. A couple of days ago I bought these great-looking organic cranberries. I really wanted some for a health reason and was so surprised to see some actually in the store, not in some bottle with sugar added. So at home my daughter was getting ready to make us a spirulina cranberry blender drink and I asked her to use honey, anticipating sourness from the berries. Now it turned out that the only honey we had was maha from when Lord Jagannath was "ill" at the Berkeley Temple before Rathayatra. She got the jar out and noticed manjari bits in it, which I had forgotten about. So what should we have done? What we did do was put it in the blender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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