Dining out-rant

December 1, 2005

I always send meals back if they are not vegan. I was once surprised

when I ordered a jacket potato with beans one lunchtime - it turned

up with melted cheese all over it. It went straight back because

there was no mention of cheese on the menu.

Jo

, Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

>

> I agree that everyone draws a personal line about how

> far they go; I have sent meals back if they forgot and

> had even a little dab of pesto for garnish on the

> pasta; I ask to have that held, but sometimes they

> forget. Most people are understanding about dietery

> restrictions. I'm still learning about how far I want

> to go. I stopped my allergy shots because they were

> grass, dust mites, dog, and cat. My allergist said we

> could continue the grass and dust mite and (I can't

> believe I said this) I said dust mites are living

> creatures, too. He countered with what are bacteria?

> Oh well, I don't care if people think I'm weird I have

> to live the way I believe and I can only do the best I

> can. Susan

>

> --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

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> > i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place

> > that uses the same pots and such for meat as well as

> > veggies...

> >

> > everyone draws the line at different places...

> >

> > and, to me there is a major difference between

> > stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the same

> > pan that has been used countless times to baste some

> > dead critter....

> >

>

> >

>

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December 1, 2005

Sorry I missunderstood, hope you liked the Hatebreed lyrics though!

The Valley Vegan............For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

my hubby and kids are meat eaters,the paper plates are cheaper thats why-sorry for your reaction thoughpeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:

I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably feel annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked "MEAT EATER" For gods sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is a little hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t we?, so why do it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a carnie?

The Valley Vegan....................................

For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo----- Original Message

-----"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot

on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this

a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make

a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood

co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> >

then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - >

December 1, 2005

Why would you need flu shots anyway, are you elderly, very young or have a serious medical condition which lessens you bodies imune system in some way?

The Valley Vegan.............

What we have are not possessions we own.It's not weighed by greed or personal gain.This is real a desire for freedom.A place apart from a world in abandon.sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

so as a vegan I should avoid them right,I have since childhoodfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

flu shots are from fertlized chicken eggs..yes sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 2:08 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

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December 1, 2005

Hey aint no big thang....

I love my mother.

I love my wife

I love my two gorgeous girls

I love my puddie tats

I try to love each and everyone on this rock

It aint always easy

The Valley Vegan...............

If you don't live for something you'll die for nothing.jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

LOL - at least you admitted in public that you love her.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:37 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

My wife has irritable husband syndrome!

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

That is really annoying. I do get it if I eat things that disagree with me. Mostly I don't eat wheat, but I do like cake sometimes. If I eat wheat two days running I am very uncomfortable for a couple of days!

Jo

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sandi gordon

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:14 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

I have to avoid certain foods due to my ibs(irritable bowel syndrome)so it can be tougher to enjoy some foodsjo <jo.heartwork wrote:

or if it contains nuts. I know people who are variously allergic to/intolerant of peanuts, cashews, sesame seeds, almonds, beans, soya, onions and garlic, mushrooms, apples, bananas, strawberries, oranges, wheat, tomatoes and probably others I have forgotten.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:13 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Unless they are Fruitarian!

The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

if someone doesn't want to make something i can eat..fine....i just don't eat with em..fair enoughtho...they still CAN eat wot i bring...not the other way aroundjo Nov 30, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dining out-rantThat's my point. We will not cook anything other than what we eat for otherpeople - and maybe shouldn't expect them to cook anything out of their usualfor us.Jo-"fraggle" Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:08 PMRe: Re: Dining out-rant> the baby cow will...>> and, i'll definately be sick if i eat cheese....>>> would ya be sick if

ya ate a soup made of boiled babies???> prolly not until ya knew...>> everyone is different...like i always say> everyone takes veganism and diet to different levels>> i couldnever serve someone a non-vegan meal..that would be horrendous...> just like i couldn't help someone capture their escaped slave, just like iwouldn't sit back and watch as my guest beat the crap out of their kid, justlike i couldn't watch my guest yell racial epithets out my window....> etc and so forth>> > serene > Nov 30, 2005 10:14 AM> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant>>> On Wed, November 30, 2005 10:11 am, fraggle said:> > ah..but are they really cooking special foods?> > why are they special?> > can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?> >

will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?>> Will you curl up and die if you eat cheese?>> I cook vegan nearly all the time. If someone requests something else, I> provide it. it's part of being a good host.>> serene>>>> To send an email to - >

December 1, 2005

That's nice to hear :-)

BBJo

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peter hurd

Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:26 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Hey aint no big thang....

I love my mother.

I love my wife

I love my two gorgeous girls

I love my puddie tats

I try to love each and everyone on this rock

It aint always easy

The Valley Vegan...............

If you don't live for something you'll die for nothing.jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

LOL - at least you admitted in public that you love her.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:37 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

My wife has irritable husband syndrome!

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

That is really annoying. I do get it if I eat things that disagree with me. Mostly I don't eat wheat, but I do like cake sometimes. If I eat wheat two days running I am very uncomfortable for a couple of days!

Jo

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sandi gordon

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:14 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

I have to avoid certain foods due to my ibs(irritable bowel syndrome)so it can be tougher to enjoy some foodsjo <jo.heartwork wrote:

or if it contains nuts. I know people who are variously allergic to/intolerant of peanuts, cashews, sesame seeds, almonds, beans, soya, onions and garlic, mushrooms, apples, bananas, strawberries, oranges, wheat, tomatoes and probably others I have forgotten.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:13 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Unless they are Fruitarian!

The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

if someone doesn't want to make something i can eat..fine....i just don't eat with em..fair enoughtho...they still CAN eat wot i bring...not the other way aroundjo Nov 30, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dining out-rantThat's my point. We will not cook anything other than what we eat for otherpeople - and maybe shouldn't expect them to cook anything out of their usualfor us.Jo-"fraggle" Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:08 PMRe: Re: Dining out-rant> the baby cow will...>> and, i'll definately be sick if i eat cheese....>>> would ya be sick if ya ate a soup made of boiled babies???> prolly not until ya knew...>> everyone is different...like i always say> everyone takes veganism and diet to different levels>> i couldnever serve someone a non-vegan meal..that would be horrendous...> just like i couldn't help someone capture their escaped slave, just like iwouldn't sit back and watch as my guest beat the crap out of their kid, justlike i couldn't watch my guest yell racial epithets out my window....> etc and so forth>> > serene > Nov 30, 2005 10:14 AM> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant>>> On Wed, November 30, 2005 10:11 am, fraggle said:> > ah..but are they really cooking special foods?> > why are they special?> > can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?> > will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?>> Will you curl up and die if you eat cheese?>> I cook vegan nearly all the time. If someone requests something else, I> provide it. it's part of being a good host.>> serene>>>> To send an email to - >

December 1, 2005

and of course its cooked on the grill alongside their regular fare

enjoy...

McVeggie Burger on a Whole Wheat Bun with Barbecue Sauce

Calories 350

Calories from Fat 70

Total Fat 8 g

Saturated Fat 1.5 g

Cholesterol 0 mg

Sodium 1490 mg

Total Carbohydrates 47 g

Dietary Fiber 9 g

Sugar 11 g

Protein 24 g

Vitamin A 6%

Vitamin C 15%

Calcium 30%

Iron 35%

Veggie Patty: Water, soy protein product, partially hydrogenated soybean oil,

vital wheat gluten, modified cellulose, spices, salt, evaporated cane juice

powder, hydrolyzed corn and soy protein, natural flavor (vegetable source),

yeast extract, caramel color, vitamin B1 (thiamine hydrochloride), vitamin B2

(riboflavin), vitamin B3 (niacinamide), vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride),

vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin), pantothenic acid (calcium pantothenate), reduced

iron, zinc (zinc oxide).

Wheat Bun: Water, flour [(wheat flour bleached and enriched with thiamine,

riboflavin, niacin, iron), malted barley flour], whole wheat flour, cracked

wheat flour, high fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, yeast, vegetable oil

(partially hydrogenated soybean oil). Contains 2 percent or less of salt, mono-

and diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid, calcium sulfate, ammonium

chloride, ascorbic acid, azodicarbomide, corn flour, propionate, calcium flow

agent, diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and digycerides.

BBQ Sauce: Water, high fructose corn syrup, tomato paste, brown sugar, apple

cider vinegar, distilled vinegar, onions, modified food starch, salt, molasses,

Worcestershire sauce (distilled vinegar, molasses, corn syrup, water, salt,

caramel color, garlic powder, sugar, spices, anchovies, tamarind, natural

flavors (vegetable source)), natural flavors (maltodextrin, chicken fat, salt,

yeast extract, modified food starch, rendered beef fat, beef extract, garlic*,

beef stock, sesame seed oil, egg yolk*, alpha tocopherol as an antioxidant),

natural hickory smoke flavor, caramel color, spices, soybean oil, chili pepper,

extractives of paprika, onion*, sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard flour,

garlic*, citric acid, propylene glycol alginate, ground celery. * dehydrated

Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar, salt, calcium chloride,

sodium benzoate or potassium sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable

source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.

Susan <oceanfest_2000

Dec 1, 2005 6:21 AM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for

awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as

I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't

care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads

(back to salad again!). I think some fast food places

are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand.

Susan

--- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001

wrote:

> I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and

> dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us

> vegans.

> I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it

> would be great to go through a drive through to pick

> up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.

>

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December 1, 2005

sounds nummy....

there's a place down the street from me..Barclay's..the forner chef is now some

famous person in SF cooking circles

anyways..they use to do big beer tasting events, and a few times they paired

food and beer events...

5 course meals..that sorta thing

well..we use to hang out there a lot..and fer these events, the chef would make

us our own vegan plates for the beer and food pairings..they were out of this

world....

Susan <oceanfest_2000

Dec 1, 2005 6:26 AM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to a

fancy French restaurant for her birthday. I called

ahead and explained that I was vegan and asked what

they could do. Even though I had called ahead, when I

got there, they had apparently forgotten. They were

really good about picking up the ball and rolling with

it, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menu

except salad and I told them I wanted more than

salad.) The chef did a wonderful job of putting

together a delicious dish with marinated portabello

mushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lick

the plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he said

he enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? I

can eat that at home if they forget that part. It's

just one meal and I don't feel that I need protein at

every meal. Susan

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December 1, 2005

I`d love to go, but the one thing other than the fact that I couldnt afford it is that I would feel guilty seeing all the poor communities there...........no bullshit, I just would.

The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Jamaica's too hot for me.

Jo

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fraggle

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:32 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

but if Jo's sportin for the trip, lets go peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 2:26 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Kingston Jamaica? a bit of a trek?

The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Same here really. If ever you can make it to Kingston go the Riverside Vegetaria. It's my favourite restaurant, and very pleasant - not posh, not rough, and a good selection on the menu (90% vegan). They even make sure you have vegan sugar, and there are vegan wines and beers.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:32 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Not posh is what I do best, I seldom - if evr do posh.

The Valley Vegan.......................................................................jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Yeah, expensive. We've been there twice, but I can't understand why they charge so much. Try the pub next time - it was quite good - the food was delicious even though it was not posh.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:40 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

I went to one place in Bath when I was over there on a course with work, I think it was Demuths, nearly had to do a runner when I saw the bill!

The Valley Vegan...........jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

There's Demuths in Bath. It is veggie with some vegan options. Very nice, but rather expensive. There is a pub called something like Porters that is a veggie pub. We had vegan burger, chips and salad there. It was nice but lots of loud music - not my kind either.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:14 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Still you rub my face in it, so much choice! its a wonder you cook at all, and I bet its cheaper than over here?

The Valley Vegan..........fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

found some places in Bath..but that was way back when

and we only ate out like twice while we were there....

here..shhhesssh...eaten out like 5 days out of the week

last night was sushi at koryo sushi(4 blks from my haus)

monday we had vegan japanese at cha ya in berkeley(damn good mushroom miso)

saturday was herbivore in SF

friday was pizza at lanesplitter...

and yet..we still cook everyday...go figure...

fraggle peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:56 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Well I guess you can be more choosy than us over here, you would probably never eat out much over here!

The Valley Vegan.............

It doesn't matter anywayNever understand our kindTry to disrespect what's mineYour words don't mean a thing to meYour living in a fantasyNow we have no more to sayWe'll get about it our wayfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place that uses the same pots and such for meat as well as veggies...everyone draws the line at different places...and, to me there is a major difference between stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the same pan that has been used countless times to baste some dead critter....heartwerk Nov 30, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Dining out-rantI think it is possible to be too sensitive. I can't see any problem with eating food prepared in any utensil as long as it has been thoroughly washed. If you take that sort of thought further you might not want to go out of your house because people who eat meat have walked on the ground that you would walk on, and it would be somewhat

of a joyless life.I agree with asking questions about how the food is prepared if you go to an omnivorous restaurant, and avoiding places that don't use cleaned utensils etc.JoDon't need no politicianTell me things I ought to be Neither no opticianTell me what I ought to seeNo one tells you nothingEven when you know they knowThey tell you what you should beThey don't like to see you grow

December 1, 2005

What the hell is pollo loco? some sort of mad mint? mad chicken?

The Valley Vegan..............

My brain is in my other trouserssandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

I wouldn't know I don't eat at el pollo loco,my family doesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

hey..ya got something

and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco!

sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant

yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

well..ya gots the Whole wheatery!

sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant

I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house.

I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.)

fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it

tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like

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Call me wierd (please!), but I love the smell of my cats paws between the pads....................lovely earthy smaell. Come on everybody smell your cats paws, go on dont be shy....................

The Valle Vegan...........jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

It's dog and cat breath I can't stand.

Jo

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sandi gordon

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:15 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

well after someones eats a full on meat meal and they breath on you uuuuuuggggghhhh,give me space man,then they come over to give you a wet one,I am like heck nopeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:

Did he bring his own oxygen as well?

The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

the carnie at our haus(who was "mostly veg" when he moved in, tho that turned out to be a lie) has his own plates and cooking stuff...he has his own sponge, etc... peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:51 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant