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I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

else feel like me

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On Wed, November 30, 2005 6:13 am, Sandi said:

> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

> else feel like me

 

I can understand where you're coming from, but for me, veganism (I haven't

always been a vegan, but I've been a vegetarian most of my life) is about

joy, not stress, so I would encourage you to relax and enjoy your life

rather than stressing. If it gives you joy to eat out, do it. If it

doesn't, and just adds to your stress, eat at home instead. Or decide (if

it gives you joy) to eat out and not worry about microscopic amounts of

[whatever] in your food. Life is about joy for me. I won't let worry rob

me of that.

 

Just a thought, not a criticism,

 

Serene

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I think it is possible to be too sensitive. I can't see any problem

with eating food prepared in any utensil as long as it has been

thoroughly washed. If you take that sort of thought further you

might not want to go out of your house because people who eat meat

have walked on the ground that you would walk on, and it would be

somewhat of a joyless life.

 

I agree with asking questions about how the food is prepared if you

go to an omnivorous restaurant, and avoiding places that don't use

cleaned utensils etc.

 

Jo

 

, " Sandi " <sandisweeti13132001>

wrote:

>

> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are

all

> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden

salad/steamed

> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry

about

> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same

items

> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where

I

> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it

easier

> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just

ate

> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since

being

> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same

pot

> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all

anyone

> else feel like me

>

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I hear ya,I try to not think about it much.I dine out maybe every few mos. otherwise my family has understood my lifestyle choices,it saves money I guess.heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think it is possible to be too sensitive. I can't see any problem with eating food prepared in any utensil as long as it has been thoroughly washed. If you take that sort of thought further you might not want to go out of your house because people who eat meat have walked on the ground that you would walk on, and it would be somewhat of a joyless life.I agree with asking questions about how the food is prepared if you go to an omnivorous restaurant, and avoiding places that don't use cleaned utensils etc.Jo , "Sandi"

<sandisweeti13132001> wrote:>> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue

a big thing regarding > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone > else feel like me>

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I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge but

not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the

process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at

home). One example is with the sub sandwich

experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the

cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first

(and now I wonder how long they use the

meat-contaminated board before they change it out). I

ask to see ingredient lists for bread if they are

available and sometimes I call the company (or

sometimes I can find nutrition information online) to

ask about ingredients. It becomes easier in my

hometown as I find out which places are vegan friendly

about answering questions and which are not. I choose

to spend my dollars and give my support to business

who are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive Garden

sit down at my table with me to discuss options. He

was a former vegan. It's all a learning process, a

challenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating out

is another challenge. I really enjoy eating out but

I'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at home,

too. I find learning about ingredients is really a

challenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animal

derived, etc. I guess like anything else, the more

experienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. I

hope not too easy because I like a challenge! To me,

it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise.

Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in my

water filter comes from . . . .Susan

 

--- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

 

> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over

> 11 yrs.)do you

> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and

> relatives are all

> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually

> order-garden salad/steamed

> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a

> constant worry about

> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the

> pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or

> using the same items

> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I

> usually eat at home

> then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my

> own stuff.Where I

> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice

> to make it easier

> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo

> loco I just ate

> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them

> right....since being

> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big

> thing regarding

> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be

> cooked in the same pot

> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours

> ago)thank you all anyone

> else feel like me

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

This can be a difficult one.

I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarian

restaurants

round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which is supposed

to be

vegetarian.

Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarian so we

don't have

conflict about where we go.

When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as they seem to

understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients. They

always

have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has a

vegetarian chef.

He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which is not on

the menu. If

we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they have something

and if

they seem funny on the phone we don't go.

I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannot

remember it

must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to one as I

have been a

veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned about

utensils if I went

to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.

It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. If there is

nothing for

you there be

assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. " Let your fingers do

the walking "

through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince the family

that you

are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't! Once

you do

this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where you know

you can eat

safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite. Stay

away from fast

food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don't know

about the

kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.

If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to be

getting a

balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.

We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing they gave

me was a

plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in my entire

life, but of

course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride and groom.

Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next door

neighbour's

house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietary restrictions. I

make a

curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makes some

rice and

salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. She often

cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think she cooked it

in the same

pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.

I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult living with meat

eaters?

Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cook meat

for anyone,

no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.

Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be really hard. If

you could

find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo could find out

if there

are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans in related

organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I know some

vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.

If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggest where to

find other

vegans.

Let us know how you get on.

Herb,

Tyneside,

UK

, " Sandi " <sandisweeti13132001> wrote:

>

> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

> else feel like me

>

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, Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

>

> I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge but

> not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the

> process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at

> home). One example is with the sub sandwich

> experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the

> cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first

> (and now I wonder how long they use the

> meat-contaminated board before they change it out). I

 

Hi,

I sometimes cook a vegan meal in our community cafe. There is always someone

with a

food hygeine certificate there. They explained to me about colour coded chopping

boards.

One colour is for chopping meat, another colour for fish (?) another for

veggies, etc.

Legally restaurants in UK are supposed to have a food hygene certificate which

means they

use this system and would not be using the same board for meat and veggies,

unless they

were very poor standard.

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I agree,I once ordered a salad and I was eating it and found strips of chicken it it,I was sooooo upset,I never want to put animal flesh in my mouth again and the thought of it eeeks me outserene <lists wrote: On Wed, November 30, 2005 6:13 am, Sandi said:> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> then go out w/

them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> else feel like meI can understand where you're coming from, but for me, veganism (I haven'talways been a vegan, but I've been a vegetarian most of my life) is aboutjoy, not stress, so I would encourage you to relax and enjoy your liferather than stressing. If it gives you joy to eat out, do it. If itdoesn't, and just adds to your stress, eat at home instead. Or decide (ifit gives you joy) to eat out and not worry about

microscopic amounts of[whatever] in your food. Life is about joy for me. I won't let worry robme of that.Just a thought, not a criticism,Serene

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I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you when

eating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you can

eat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn't

have any!

 

This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just an

anomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visit

us they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complain

when they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely if

we expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food for

them for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cook

meat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really ask

them to cook special food for us?

 

Jo

-

" herbvalerian " <herbvalerian

 

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM

Re: Dining out-rant

 

 

> Hi,

> This can be a difficult one.

> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarian

restaurants

> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which is

supposed to be

> vegetarian.

> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarian

so we don't have

> conflict about where we go.

> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as they

seem to

> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.

They always

> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has a

vegetarian chef.

> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which is

not on the menu. If

> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they have

something and if

> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.

> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannot

remember it

> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to one

as I have been a

> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned about

utensils if I went

> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.

> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. If

there is nothing for

> you there be

> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. " Let your fingers

do the walking "

> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince the

family that you

> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!

Once you do

> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where you

know you can eat

> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.

Stay away from fast

> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don't

know about the

> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.

> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to be

getting a

> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.

> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing they

gave me was a

> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in my

entire life, but of

> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride and

groom.

> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next door

neighbour's

> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietary

restrictions. I make a

> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makes

some rice and

> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. She

often

> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think she

cooked it in the same

> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.

> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult living

with meat eaters?

> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cook

meat for anyone,

> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.

> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be really

hard. If you could

> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo could

find out if there

> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans in

related

> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I know

some

> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.

> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggest

where to find other

> vegans.

> Let us know how you get on.

> Herb,

> Tyneside,

> UK

> , " Sandi " <sandisweeti13132001>

wrote:

> >

> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

> > else feel like me

> >

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Hi

 

Also in the UK if a cafe (even an omnivorous cafe) is accredited by the

Vegetarian Society it means they have been trained in what is required to

produce vegetarian dishes - i.e. using different utensils, boards etc.

 

Jo

-

" herbvalerian " <herbvalerian

 

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM

Re: Dining out-rant

 

 

> , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

> >

> > I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge but

> > not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the

> > process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at

> > home). One example is with the sub sandwich

> > experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the

> > cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first

> > (and now I wonder how long they use the

> > meat-contaminated board before they change it out). I

>

> Hi,

> I sometimes cook a vegan meal in our community cafe. There is always

someone with a

> food hygeine certificate there. They explained to me about colour coded

chopping boards.

> One colour is for chopping meat, another colour for fish (?) another for

veggies, etc.

> Legally restaurants in UK are supposed to have a food hygene certificate

which means they

> use this system and would not be using the same board for meat and

veggies, unless they

> were very poor standard.

To send an email to -

>

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ah..but are they really cooking special foods?

why are they special?

can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?

will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?

 

 

 

if i knew someone who beat puppies, am i just suppose to play by their rules

when i see em?

 

 

jo <jo.heartwork

Nov 30, 2005 9:58 AM

 

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

 

I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you when

eating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you can

eat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn't

have any!

 

This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just an

anomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visit

us they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complain

when they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely if

we expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food for

them for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cook

meat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really ask

them to cook special food for us?

 

Jo

-

" herbvalerian " <herbvalerian

 

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM

Re: Dining out-rant

 

 

> Hi,

> This can be a difficult one.

> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarian

restaurants

> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which is

supposed to be

> vegetarian.

> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarian

so we don't have

> conflict about where we go.

> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as they

seem to

> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.

They always

> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has a

vegetarian chef.

> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which is

not on the menu. If

> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they have

something and if

> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.

> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannot

remember it

> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to one

as I have been a

> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned about

utensils if I went

> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.

> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. If

there is nothing for

> you there be

> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. " Let your fingers

do the walking "

> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince the

family that you

> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!

Once you do

> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where you

know you can eat

> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.

Stay away from fast

> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don't

know about the

> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.

> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to be

getting a

> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.

> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing they

gave me was a

> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in my

entire life, but of

> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride and

groom.

> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next door

neighbour's

> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietary

restrictions. I make a

> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makes

some rice and

> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. She

often

> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think she

cooked it in the same

> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.

> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult living

with meat eaters?

> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cook

meat for anyone,

> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.

> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be really

hard. If you could

> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo could

find out if there

> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans in

related

> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I know

some

> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.

> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggest

where to find other

> vegans.

> Let us know how you get on.

> Herb,

> Tyneside,

> UK

> , " Sandi " <sandisweeti13132001>

wrote:

> >

> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

> > else feel like me

> >

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when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet

we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have>

conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good

idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only

thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,>

no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all>

> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else

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i think i'm just a weird lucky anomaly

never have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)

tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..

and, most places know wot vegansim is around here

 

el polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....

heading to burger king fer x-mas?

:)

 

places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....

but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys)

you should get wot you want by asking...

 

u could always say " i'm allergic "

that'll scare em....lawsuits and all that

 

cheers

fraggle

 

 

Sandi <sandisweeti13132001

Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM

 

Dining out-rant

 

I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

else feel like me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I guess I feel guilty asking people to cook for me,so I try to make all my food even at their homesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ah..but are they really cooking special foods?why are they special?can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?if i knew someone who beat puppies, am i just suppose to play by their rules when i see em? jo <jo.heartworkNov 30, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: Dining out-rantI reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal

doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively

vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure

I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff

change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she

knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> --- In

, "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since

being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - >

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I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us vegans. I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it would be great to go through a drive through to pick up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.herbvalerian <herbvalerian wrote: , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge but> not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the> process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at> home). One example is with the sub sandwich> experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the> cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first> (and now I wonder how long they use the> meat-contaminated board before they change it

out). IHi,I sometimes cook a vegan meal in our community cafe. There is always someone with a food hygeine certificate there. They explained to me about colour coded chopping boards. One colour is for chopping meat, another colour for fish (?) another for veggies, etc. Legally restaurants in UK are supposed to have a food hygene certificate which means they use this system and would not be using the same board for meat and veggies, unless they were very poor standard.

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True what is the proetin we get when we go to a restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you never know what the hidden ingrediants arejo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes,

we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics

of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better

restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I

could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard.

If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry

about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to

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I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll

scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the

food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to -

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(sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at> > home). One example is with the sub sandwich> > experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the> > cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first> > (and now I wonder how long they use the> > meat-contaminated board before they change it out). I>> Hi,> I sometimes cook a vegan meal in our community cafe. There is alwayssomeone with a> food hygeine certificate there. They explained to me about colour codedchopping boards.> One colour is for chopping meat, another colour for fish (?) another forveggies, etc.> Legally restaurants in UK are supposed to have a food hygene certificatewhich means they> use this system and would not be using the same board for meat andveggies, unless they> were very poor standard.>>>>>>> To send an email

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> ah..but are they really cooking special foods?

If it is something they would not normally cook for themselves or for their

other friends at a party/bbq - then yes it would be special food, just as a

vegan cooking meat would be cooking something special for someone else.

 

> why are they special?

Maybe special is not a word that has made my meaning clear. Maybe I should

have said different to their normal food.

 

> can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?

They can eat them, but might not like them or choose to eat them, just as a

vegan could eat meat but chooses not to.

 

> will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?

That's not a good example because if a vegan eat a lump of meat they would

not curl up and die either.

 

If we expect other people to make a special effort for us to accommodate our

(what seems to them) strange ways then shouldn't we be expected to make a

special effort to accommodate (what seems to us) their strange ways. How

can we think we are right to expect the rules to suit us from both angles?

 

Or might it be better to eat the salad, and take along some nuts for

protein. Presumably you will have gone along to the gathering because you

like the people, not just to get a free meal.

 

If you can't get my point I am obviously not making it very well. I am not

saying that meat-eaters are right to eat meat, merely pointing out that

maybe we expect more than we are prepared to give.

 

Jo

>

>

>

> if i knew someone who beat puppies, am i just suppose to play by their

rules when i see em?

>

>

> jo <jo.heartwork

> Nov 30, 2005 9:58 AM

>

> Re: Re: Dining out-rant

>

> I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you when

> eating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you can

> eat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal

doesn't

> have any!

>

> This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just an

> anomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people

visit

> us they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complain

> when they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely

if

> we expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food

for

> them for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cook

> meat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really

ask

> them to cook special food for us?

>

> Jo

> -

> " herbvalerian " <herbvalerian

>

> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM

> Re: Dining out-rant

>

>

> > Hi,

> > This can be a difficult one.

> > I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively

vegetarian

> restaurants

> > round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which is

> supposed to be

> > vegetarian.

> > Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally

vegetarian

> so we don't have

> > conflict about where we go.

> > When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as they

> seem to

> > understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the

ingredients.

> They always

> > have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has

a

> vegetarian chef.

> > He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which is

> not on the menu. If

> > we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they have

> something and if

> > they seem funny on the phone we don't go.

> > I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I

cannot

> remember it

> > must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to

one

> as I have been a

> > veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned

about

> utensils if I went

> > to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.

> > It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. If

> there is nothing for

> > you there be

> > assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. " Let your

fingers

> do the walking "

> > through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince the

> family that you

> > are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you

can't!

> Once you do

> > this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where you

> know you can eat

> > safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.

> Stay away from fast

> > food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don't

> know about the

> > kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.

> > If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to

be

> getting a

> > balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.

> > We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing

they

> gave me was a

> > plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in my

> entire life, but of

> > course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride and

> groom.

> > Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next

door

> neighbour's

> > house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietary

> restrictions. I make a

> > curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makes

> some rice and

> > salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. She

> often

> > cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think she

> cooked it in the same

> > pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.

> > I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult living

> with meat eaters?

> > Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not

cook

> meat for anyone,

> > no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.

> > Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be really

> hard. If you could

> > find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo could

> find out if there

> > are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans in

> related

> > organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I

know

> some

> > vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.

> > If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggest

> where to find other

> > vegans.

> > Let us know how you get on.

> > Herb,

> > Tyneside,

> > UK

> > , " Sandi " <sandisweeti13132001>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> > > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

> > > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

> > > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

> > > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> > > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

> > > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> > > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

> > > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

> > > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

> > > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

> > > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> > > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

> > > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

> > > else feel like me

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

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It's always best to say that you are vegan when you order something that you would expect to be vegan - then there can be no mistake.

 

Jo

 

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I agree,I once ordered a salad and I was eating it and found strips of chicken it it,I was sooooo upset,I never want to put animal flesh in my mouth again and the thought of it eeeks me outserene <lists wrote: On Wed, November 30, 2005 6:13 am, Sandi said:> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> else feel like meI can understand where you're coming from, but for me, veganism (I haven'talways been a vegan, but I've been a vegetarian most of my life) is aboutjoy, not stress, so I would encourage you to relax and enjoy your liferather than stressing. If it gives you joy to eat out, do it. If itdoesn't, and just adds to your stress, eat at home instead. Or decide (ifit gives you joy) to eat out and not worry about microscopic amounts of[whatever] in your food. Life is about joy for me. I won't let worry robme of that.Just a thought, not a criticism,Serene

 

 

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That's probably because they don't eat those things. Their normal might consist of meat, potato and a serving of veg, or sometimes a meat curry with rice.

 

Jo

 

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:14 PM

Re: Dining out-rant

 

I don't find it hard to be a vegan but all non veg's. think its sooo tough-WHAT DO YOU EAT?come on people there are a zillion things to eat,I have a wide variety in my diet,but all they think I eat is fruit and veggies,wheres your iron and proetin-foolsSusan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge butnot impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in theprocess (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat athome). One example is with the sub sandwichexperience. Since I know they prepare meat on thecutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first(and now I wonder how long they use themeat-contaminated board before they change it out). Iask to see ingredient lists for bread if they areavailable and sometimes I call the company (orsometimes I can find nutrition information online) toask about ingredients. It becomes easier in myhometown as I find out which places are vegan friendlyabout answering questions and which are not. I chooseto spend my dollars and give my support to businesswho are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive Gardensit down at my table with me to discuss options. Hewas a former vegan. It's all a learning process, achallenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating outis another challenge. I really enjoy eating out butI'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at home,too. I find learning about ingredients is really achallenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animalderived, etc. I guess like anything else, the moreexperienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. Ihope not too easy because I like a challenge! To me,it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise.Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in mywater filter comes from . . . .Susan--- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over> 11 yrs.)do you > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and> relatives are all > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually> order-garden salad/steamed > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a> constant worry about > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the> pots/pans/utensils/ovens > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or> using the same items > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I> usually eat at home > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my> own stuff.Where I > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice> to make it easier > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo> loco I just ate > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them> right....since being > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big> thing regarding > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be> cooked in the same pot > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours> ago)thank you all anyone > else feel like me> > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/

 

 

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activated charcoal should be ok...

it is usually just partially burned charcoal(wood) which makes extra holes in

it..

this allows certain chemical compunds to be more easily bound up

 

 

Susan <oceanfest_2000

Nov 30, 2005 8:51 AM

 

Re: Dining out-rant

 

I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge but

not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the

process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at

home). One example is with the sub sandwich

experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the

cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first

(and now I wonder how long they use the

meat-contaminated board before they change it out). I

ask to see ingredient lists for bread if they are

available and sometimes I call the company (or

sometimes I can find nutrition information online) to

ask about ingredients. It becomes easier in my

hometown as I find out which places are vegan friendly

about answering questions and which are not. I choose

to spend my dollars and give my support to business

who are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive Garden

sit down at my table with me to discuss options. He

was a former vegan. It's all a learning process, a

challenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating out

is another challenge. I really enjoy eating out but

I'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at home,

too. I find learning about ingredients is really a

challenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animal

derived, etc. I guess like anything else, the more

experienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. I

hope not too easy because I like a challenge! To me,

it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise.

Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in my

water filter comes from . . . .Susan

 

--- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

 

 

Don't need no politician

Tell me things I ought to be

Neither no optician

Tell me what I ought to see

No one tells you nothing

Even when you know they know

They tell you what you should be

They don't like to see you grow

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> Also in the UK if a cafe (even an omnivorous cafe) is accredited by the

> Vegetarian Society it means they have been trained in what is required to

> produce vegetarian dishes - i.e. using different utensils, boards etc.

 

What - even McD****ds?????

 

BB

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i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place that uses the same pots and

such for meat as well as veggies...

 

everyone draws the line at different places...

 

and, to me there is a major difference between stepping behind a carnivore, and

eating off the same pan that has been used countless times to baste some dead

critter....

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Nov 30, 2005 8:30 AM

 

Re: Dining out-rant

 

I think it is possible to be too sensitive. I can't see any problem

with eating food prepared in any utensil as long as it has been

thoroughly washed. If you take that sort of thought further you

might not want to go out of your house because people who eat meat

have walked on the ground that you would walk on, and it would be

somewhat of a joyless life.

 

I agree with asking questions about how the food is prepared if you

go to an omnivorous restaurant, and avoiding places that don't use

cleaned utensils etc.

 

Jo

 

Don't need no politician

Tell me things I ought to be

Neither no optician

Tell me what I ought to see

No one tells you nothing

Even when you know they know

They tell you what you should be

They don't like to see you grow

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yeah they think every meal has to have a animal product in it to say they ate a well balanced meal. Its funny whenever I am not feeling to hot my mom will say sandi maybe a nice piece of chicken or some tuna will make you feel better,I have been a vegetarian for 17yrs./vegan for 11yrs. come on now like I will just switch-never neverjo <jo.heartwork wrote: That's probably because they don't eat those things. Their normal might consist of meat, potato and a serving of veg, or sometimes a meat curry with rice. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:14 PM Re: Dining out-rant I don't find it hard to be a vegan but all non veg's. think its sooo tough-WHAT DO YOU EAT?come on people there are a zillion things to eat,I have a wide variety in my diet,but all they think I eat is fruit and veggies,wheres your iron and proetin-foolsSusan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge butnot impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in theprocess (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat athome). One example is with the sub sandwichexperience. Since I know they prepare meat on thecutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first(and now I wonder how long they use themeat-contaminated board before they change it out). Iask to see ingredient lists for bread if they areavailable and sometimes I call the company (orsometimes I can find nutrition information online) toask about ingredients. It becomes easier in myhometown as I find out which places are vegan friendlyabout answering questions and which are not. I chooseto spend my dollars and give

my support to businesswho are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive Gardensit down at my table with me to discuss options. Hewas a former vegan. It's all a learning process, achallenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating outis another challenge. I really enjoy eating out butI'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at home,too. I find learning about ingredients is really achallenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animalderived, etc. I guess like anything else, the moreexperienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. Ihope not too easy because I like a challenge! To me,it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise.Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in mywater filter comes from . . . .Susan--- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over> 11 yrs.)do you > find it

tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and> relatives are all > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually> order-garden salad/steamed > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a> constant worry about > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the> pots/pans/utensils/ovens > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or> using the same items > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I> usually eat at home > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my> own stuff.Where I > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice> to make it easier > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo> loco I just ate > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them> right....since being > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big> thing regarding > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be>

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