Dining out-rant

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What? I thought miso was vegan........just fermented soya beans with either barley/brown rice etc depending on the type of miso...........dont spook me now Frag, I had some in my stew today, so it better be O.K. The Valley Vegan.................. fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: just checkin, but did you make sure the miso was vegan? hard to find a nice vegan miso in a restaurant.... Jonnie Hellens Dec 1, 2005 12:54 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

I went to a sushi restaurant the other day and they had a mushroom seaweed salad that sounded pretty good. I ordered it but never got it. I'm gonna try a different location later and give it a go. I did get some wasabi mashed potatoes that I loved, as well as some avocado rolls and miso soup. The miso really hit the spot! They put garnish plates out with wasabi and a huge pile of ginger, I devoured those since I really, really enjoy them. In fact the waitress looked at me like I was nuts when she found me enjoying the wasabi with my nice dry white wine. Oh well, keep em guessing, huh?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are high in fiber, and

most of the b-vitamins peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with

marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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the stuff you get in restaurants over on this side of the pond often has fish in it

the miso you buy in the store generally doesn't peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 1:41 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

What? I thought miso was vegan........just fermented soya beans with either barley/brown rice etc depending on the type of miso...........dont spook me now Frag, I had some in my stew today, so it better be O.K.

 

The Valley Vegan..................

fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

just checkin, but did you make sure the miso was vegan?

hard to find a nice vegan miso in a restaurant.... Jonnie Hellens Dec 1, 2005 12:54 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

I went to a sushi restaurant the other day and they had a mushroom seaweed salad that sounded pretty good. I ordered it but never got it. I'm gonna try a different location later and give it a go. I did get some wasabi mashed potatoes that I loved, as well as some avocado rolls and miso soup. The miso really hit the spot! They put garnish plates out with wasabi and a huge pile of ginger, I devoured those since I really, really enjoy them. In fact the waitress looked at me like I was nuts when she found me enjoying the wasabi with my nice dry white wine. Oh well, keep em guessing, huh?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are high in fiber, and most of the b-vitamins peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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We're alright over here Peter - miso is always vegan I believe. I think in America the companies like to dump in any old rubbish they can.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:43 PM

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

 

the stuff you get in restaurants over on this side of the pond often has fish in it

the miso you buy in the store generally doesn't peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 1:41 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

What? I thought miso was vegan........just fermented soya beans with either barley/brown rice etc depending on the type of miso...........dont spook me now Frag, I had some in my stew today, so it better be O.K.

 

The Valley Vegan..................

fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

just checkin, but did you make sure the miso was vegan?

hard to find a nice vegan miso in a restaurant.... Jonnie Hellens Dec 1, 2005 12:54 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

I went to a sushi restaurant the other day and they had a mushroom seaweed salad that sounded pretty good. I ordered it but never got it. I'm gonna try a different location later and give it a go. I did get some wasabi mashed potatoes that I loved, as well as some avocado rolls and miso soup. The miso really hit the spot! They put garnish plates out with wasabi and a huge pile of ginger, I devoured those since I really, really enjoy them. In fact the waitress looked at me like I was nuts when she found me enjoying the wasabi with my nice dry white wine. Oh well, keep em guessing, huh?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are high in fiber, and most of the b-vitamins peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant

Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

I wonder what calcium source the calcium sulfate and

calcium flow agent in the buns come from? I'm

surprised there's not honey in the bread as a great

deal of bread product has honey in the ingredients

(even lots of whole wheat tortillas). And the BBQ

sauce with its anchovies, egg yolk, beef, beef fat?

It makes " natural flavors (vegetable source) " seem

like an oxymoron. It's humorous in a way . . . makes

home cookin' sound pretty good. I was going to say MY

home cookin', but then it might sound like I think

just about anything would make mine sound good! Thanks

for sending this. He! Susan

 

> > Wheat Bun: Water, flour [(wheat flour bleached and

> enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron),

> malted barley flour], whole wheat flour, cracked

> wheat flour, high fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten,

> yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean

> oil). Contains 2 percent or less of salt, mono- and

> diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid,

> calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride, ascorbic acid,

> azodicarbomide, corn flour, propionate, calcium flow

> agent, diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and

> digycerides.

>

> BBQ Sauce: Water, high fructose corn syrup, tomato

> paste, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, distilled

> vinegar, onions, modified food starch, salt,

> molasses, Worcestershire sauce (distilled vinegar,

> molasses, corn syrup, water, salt, caramel color,

> garlic powder, sugar, spices, anchovies, tamarind,

> natural flavors (vegetable source)), natural flavors

> (maltodextrin, chicken fat, salt, yeast extract,

> modified food starch, rendered beef fat, beef

> extract, garlic*, beef stock, sesame seed oil, egg

> yolk*, alpha tocopherol as an antioxidant), natural

> hickory smoke flavor, caramel color, spices, soybean

> oil, chili pepper, extractives of paprika, onion*,

> sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard flour,

> garlic*, citric acid, propylene glycol alginate,

> ground celery. * dehydrated

>

> Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar,

> salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or potassium

> sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable

> source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.

>

>

>

> Susan <oceanfest_2000

> Dec 1, 2005 6:21 AM

>

> Re: Re: Dining out-rant

>

> McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for

> awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties

> as

> I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't

> care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads

> (back to salad again!). I think some fast food

> places

> are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand.

>

> Susan

> --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001

> wrote:

>

> > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and

> > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us

> > vegans.

> > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it

> > would be great to go through a drive through to

> pick

> > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.

> >

>

>

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I've been pretty impressed at how accommodating many

restaurants can be! I always make sure to let those

that are know how much I appreciate it. When I went

to Italy in July, I brought a small card with me

explaining in Italian that I am vegan and what I

cannot eat. One restaurant served me a wonderful meal

and then the Tiramisu came out and went around the

table for the rest of the group. The wait persons

brought out my desert . . .centered on a large white

plate was a . . . raspberry! I got a great good laugh

out of that! They then gave me a nearly perfect,

sweet pear with a knife and fork. I love Italians!

Susan

 

--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

> sounds nummy....

>

> there's a place down the street from

> me..Barclay's..the forner chef is now some famous

> person in SF cooking circles

> anyways..they use to do big beer tasting events, and

> a few times they paired food and beer events...

> 5 course meals..that sorta thing

> well..we use to hang out there a lot..and fer these

> events, the chef would make us our own vegan plates

> for the beer and food pairings..they were out of

> this world....

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Do you think they use it in organic sugar and/or

organic Sucanat? I use those, but mostly I like maple

syrup. Susan

 

--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

> bone char or bone black....

> generally used in the filtration/decolorization of

> sugar....

>

>

> Susan <oceanfest_2000

> Dec 1, 2005 6:35 AM

>

> Re: Dining out-rant

>

> Thanks, I was wondering because I read that some

> charcoal is made from burned animal bones. Susan

>

> --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

>

> > activated charcoal should be ok...

> > it is usually just partially burned charcoal(wood)

> > which makes extra holes in it..

> > this allows certain chemical compunds to be more

> > easily bound up

> >

> >

> > Susan <oceanfest_2000

> > Nov 30, 2005 8:51 AM

> >

> > Re: Dining out-rant

> >

> > I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge

> > but

> > not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the

> > process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat

> at

> > home). One example is with the sub sandwich

> > experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the

> > cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down

> first

> > (and now I wonder how long they use the

> > meat-contaminated board before they change it

> out).

> > I

> > ask to see ingredient lists for bread if they are

> > available and sometimes I call the company (or

> > sometimes I can find nutrition information online)

> > to

> > ask about ingredients. It becomes easier in my

> > hometown as I find out which places are vegan

> > friendly

> > about answering questions and which are not. I

> > choose

> > to spend my dollars and give my support to

> business

> > who are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive

> > Garden

> > sit down at my table with me to discuss options.

> He

> > was a former vegan. It's all a learning process,

> a

> > challenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating

> out

> > is another challenge. I really enjoy eating out

> but

> > I'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at

> > home,

> > too. I find learning about ingredients is really

> a

> > challenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animal

> > derived, etc. I guess like anything else, the

> more

> > experienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be.

>

> > I

> > hope not too easy because I like a challenge! To

> > me,

> > it is worth the effort, health wise and animal

> wise.

> > Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in

> my

> > water filter comes from . . . .Susan

> >

> > --- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Don't need no politician

> > Tell me things I ought to be

> > Neither no optician

> > Tell me what I ought to see

> > No one tells you nothing

> > Even when you know they know

> > They tell you what you should be

> > They don't like to see you grow

> >

>

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calcium sulfate is gypsum

generally its mined, er it can come from sea salt....

 

 

Susan <oceanfest_2000

Dec 1, 2005 3:32 PM

 

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

 

 

 

--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

I wonder what calcium source the calcium sulfate and

calcium flow agent in the buns come from? I'm

surprised there's not honey in the bread as a great

deal of bread product has honey in the ingredients

(even lots of whole wheat tortillas). And the BBQ

sauce with its anchovies, egg yolk, beef, beef fat?

It makes " natural flavors (vegetable source) " seem

like an oxymoron. It's humorous in a way . . . makes

home cookin' sound pretty good. I was going to say MY

home cookin', but then it might sound like I think

just about anything would make mine sound good! Thanks

for sending this. He! Susan

 

> > Wheat Bun: Water, flour [(wheat flour bleached and

> enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron),

> malted barley flour], whole wheat flour, cracked

> wheat flour, high fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten,

> yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean

> oil). Contains 2 percent or less of salt, mono- and

> diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid,

> calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride, ascorbic acid,

> azodicarbomide, corn flour, propionate, calcium flow

> agent, diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and

> digycerides.

>

> BBQ Sauce: Water, high fructose corn syrup, tomato

> paste, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, distilled

> vinegar, onions, modified food starch, salt,

> molasses, Worcestershire sauce (distilled vinegar,

> molasses, corn syrup, water, salt, caramel color,

> garlic powder, sugar, spices, anchovies, tamarind,

> natural flavors (vegetable source)), natural flavors

> (maltodextrin, chicken fat, salt, yeast extract,

> modified food starch, rendered beef fat, beef

> extract, garlic*, beef stock, sesame seed oil, egg

> yolk*, alpha tocopherol as an antioxidant), natural

> hickory smoke flavor, caramel color, spices, soybean

> oil, chili pepper, extractives of paprika, onion*,

> sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard flour,

> garlic*, citric acid, propylene glycol alginate,

> ground celery. * dehydrated

>

> Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar,

> salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or potassium

> sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable

> source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.

>

>

>

> Susan <oceanfest_2000

> Dec 1, 2005 6:21 AM

>

> Re: Re: Dining out-rant

>

> McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for

> awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties

> as

> I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't

> care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads

> (back to salad again!). I think some fast food

> places

> are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand.

>

> Susan

> --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001

> wrote:

>

> > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and

> > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us

> > vegans.

> > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it

> > would be great to go through a drive through to

> pick

> > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.

> >

>

>

>

>

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sucanat does not use bone char....

organic sugars *generally* do not use bone char, as its not as important to get

whiteness

to be sure..use any raw sugar....

 

 

Susan <oceanfest_2000

Dec 1, 2005 3:45 PM

 

Re: Dining out-rant

 

Do you think they use it in organic sugar and/or

organic Sucanat? I use those, but mostly I like maple

syrup. Susan

 

--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

> bone char or bone black....

> generally used in the filtration/decolorization of

> sugar....

>

>

> Susan <oceanfest_2000

> Dec 1, 2005 6:35 AM

>

> Re: Dining out-rant

>

> Thanks, I was wondering because I read that some

> charcoal is made from burned animal bones. Susan

>

> --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

>

> > activated charcoal should be ok...

> > it is usually just partially burned charcoal(wood)

> > which makes extra holes in it..

> > this allows certain chemical compunds to be more

> > easily bound up

> >

> >

> > Susan <oceanfest_2000

> > Nov 30, 2005 8:51 AM

> >

> > Re: Dining out-rant

> >

> > I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge

> > but

> > not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the

> > process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat

> at

> > home). One example is with the sub sandwich

> > experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the

> > cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down

> first

> > (and now I wonder how long they use the

> > meat-contaminated board before they change it

> out).

> > I

> > ask to see ingredient lists for bread if they are

> > available and sometimes I call the company (or

> > sometimes I can find nutrition information online)

> > to

> > ask about ingredients. It becomes easier in my

> > hometown as I find out which places are vegan

> > friendly

> > about answering questions and which are not. I

> > choose

> > to spend my dollars and give my support to

> business

> > who are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive

> > Garden

> > sit down at my table with me to discuss options.

> He

> > was a former vegan. It's all a learning process,

> a

> > challenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating

> out

> > is another challenge. I really enjoy eating out

> but

> > I'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at

> > home,

> > too. I find learning about ingredients is really

> a

> > challenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animal

> > derived, etc. I guess like anything else, the

> more

> > experienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be.

>

> > I

> > hope not too easy because I like a challenge! To

> > me,

> > it is worth the effort, health wise and animal

> wise.

> > Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in

> my

> > water filter comes from . . . .Susan

> >

> > --- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:

> >

> >

> > Don't need no politician

> > Tell me things I ought to be

> > Neither no optician

> > Tell me what I ought to see

> > No one tells you nothing

> > Even when you know they know

> > They tell you what you should be

> > They don't like to see you grow

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I love mushrooms! I also discovered that they are a

source of vitamin D. Isn't that weird? Something that

grows in the dark being a source of some vitamin D? I

laughed when I saw that!

 

--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

 

 

mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are

high in fiber, and most of the b-vitamins

 

 

 

peter hurd

Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM

 

Re: Re: Dining out-rant

 

Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Peter

 

> Thanks Peter, do you have a cat?

 

Nope - I'm not a fan of cats at all. I can't imagine much worse than having to look after one... actually, looking after two or three would be worse....

 

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Hi Peter

 

> I fell out with them years ago, didnt like their "we know best" attitude, then I switched alledgence to The Vegan Society,

> who do tend to listen to criticism and take time out for its members on a personal level.

 

I've never been a member of the Vegetarian Society, but I have to support your comments on the Vegan Society. When I first went vegan, they were really helpful - I phoned them a couple of times for advice, and sent a few e-mails, and always got really useful replies. The only slight niggle is that you don't get much in the way of discounts with the vegan society, which you do with the vegetarian society!

 

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Thanks again, fraggle. That calcium flow agent sounds

mysterious. I wonder why they can't be more specific?

One could always call the company and ask. Makes it

hard for people who don't want any animal products. I

recently learned that some red dyes are derived from

the cochineal bug but you won't see cochineal in the

ingredients; instead you have to start figuring out

the red dye numbers and from where they come. sheesh!

I suppose cochineal has a red dye number, but I don't

know what it is or if it's consistent. Maybe I can

find out one of these days when I have a little extra

time on my hands. In fact, I don't even know how the

numbers corelate or what they mean! By the way, I

don't spend all my time questioning my food. I love

to eat for pleasure and know how to do that, too! Food

is meant to be enjoyed. :-) Susan

 

--- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

> calcium sulfate is gypsum

> generally its mined, er it can come from sea

> salt....

>

>

> Susan <oceanfest_2000

> Dec 1, 2005 3:32 PM

>

> Re: Re: Dining out-rant

>

>

>

> --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

>

> I wonder what calcium source the calcium sulfate and

> calcium flow agent in the buns come from? I'm

> surprised there's not honey in the bread as a great

> deal of bread product has honey in the ingredients

> (even lots of whole wheat tortillas). And the BBQ

> sauce with its anchovies, egg yolk, beef, beef fat?

> It makes " natural flavors (vegetable source) " seem

> like an oxymoron. It's humorous in a way . . . makes

> home cookin' sound pretty good. I was going to say

> MY

> home cookin', but then it might sound like I think

> just about anything would make mine sound good!

> Thanks

> for sending this. He! Susan

>

> > > Wheat Bun: Water, flour [(wheat flour bleached

> and

> > enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron),

> > malted barley flour], whole wheat flour, cracked

> > wheat flour, high fructose corn syrup, wheat

> gluten,

> > yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated

> soybean

> > oil). Contains 2 percent or less of salt, mono-

> and

> > diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid,

> > calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride, ascorbic acid,

> > azodicarbomide, corn flour, propionate, calcium

> flow

> > agent, diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and

> > digycerides.

> >

> > BBQ Sauce: Water, high fructose corn syrup, tomato

> > paste, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, distilled

> > vinegar, onions, modified food starch, salt,

> > molasses, Worcestershire sauce (distilled vinegar,

> > molasses, corn syrup, water, salt, caramel color,

> > garlic powder, sugar, spices, anchovies, tamarind,

> > natural flavors (vegetable source)), natural

> flavors

> > (maltodextrin, chicken fat, salt, yeast extract,

> > modified food starch, rendered beef fat, beef

> > extract, garlic*, beef stock, sesame seed oil, egg

> > yolk*, alpha tocopherol as an antioxidant),

> natural

> > hickory smoke flavor, caramel color, spices,

> soybean

> > oil, chili pepper, extractives of paprika, onion*,

> > sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard flour,

> > garlic*, citric acid, propylene glycol alginate,

> > ground celery. * dehydrated

> >

> > Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, water, distilled

> vinegar,

> > salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or

> potassium

> > sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable

> > source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.

> >

> >

> >

> > Susan <oceanfest_2000

> > Dec 1, 2005 6:21 AM

> >

> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant

> >

> > McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for

> > awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan

> patties

> > as

> > I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and

> didn't

> > care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads

> > (back to salad again!). I think some fast food

> > places

> > are at least trying. It depends on consumer

> demand.

> >

> > Susan

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> > wrote:

> >

> > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat

> and

> > > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for

> us

> > > vegans.

> > > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it

> > > would be great to go through a drive through to

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> > > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.

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100gms of mushroom is a large portion though - mushrooms are very

light. You would have to eat a lot of them to get your protein

supply.

 

Jo

 

, Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

>

> According to the USDA searchable food composition link

> below,

>

> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

>

> there is 4.9 grams of protien in 100 grams of grilled

> portabella mushroom. Not bad! (I love this

> database--and one other I also use; I just noticed

> that there is a category in there for fast food,

> also). Susan

>

>

> --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> > Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?

> >

> > Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:Earlier this

> > year I wanted to take my mother to a

> > fancy French restaurant for her birthday. I called

> > ahead and explained that I was vegan and asked what

> > they could do. Even though I had called ahead, when

> > I

> > got there, they had apparently forgotten. They were

> > really good about picking up the ball and rolling

> > with

> > it, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menu

> > except salad and I told them I wanted more than

> > salad.) The chef did a wonderful job of putting

> > together a delicious dish with marinated portabello

> > mushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to

> > lick

> > the plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he

> > said

> > he enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein?

> > I

> > can eat that at home if they forget that part. It's

> > just one meal and I don't feel that I need protein

> > at

> > every meal. Susan

> >

> > --- sandi gordon

> > wrote:

> >

> > > True what is the proetin we get when we go to a

> > > restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a

> > > restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you

> > > never know what the hidden ingrediants are

> >

> >

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You can probably find a list of enumbers and what they are on the

intranet. If not, there are books that list them.

 

Jo

 

, Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

>

> Thanks again, fraggle. That calcium flow agent sounds

> mysterious. I wonder why they can't be more specific?

> One could always call the company and ask. Makes it

> hard for people who don't want any animal products. I

> recently learned that some red dyes are derived from

> the cochineal bug but you won't see cochineal in the

> ingredients; instead you have to start figuring out

> the red dye numbers and from where they come. sheesh!

> I suppose cochineal has a red dye number, but I don't

> know what it is or if it's consistent. Maybe I can

> find out one of these days when I have a little extra

> time on my hands. In fact, I don't even know how the

> numbers corelate or what they mean! By the way, I

> don't spend all my time questioning my food. I love

> to eat for pleasure and know how to do that, too! Food

> is meant to be enjoyed. :-) Susan

>

> --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> > calcium sulfate is gypsum

> > generally its mined, er it can come from sea

> > salt....

> >

> >

> > Susan <oceanfest_2000>

> > Dec 1, 2005 3:32 PM

> >

> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant

> >

> >

> >

> > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > I wonder what calcium source the calcium sulfate and

> > calcium flow agent in the buns come from? I'm

> > surprised there's not honey in the bread as a great

> > deal of bread product has honey in the ingredients

> > (even lots of whole wheat tortillas). And the BBQ

> > sauce with its anchovies, egg yolk, beef, beef fat?

> > It makes " natural flavors (vegetable source) " seem

> > like an oxymoron. It's humorous in a way . . . makes

> > home cookin' sound pretty good. I was going to say

> > MY

> > home cookin', but then it might sound like I think

> > just about anything would make mine sound good!

> > Thanks

> > for sending this. He! Susan

> >

> > > > Wheat Bun: Water, flour [(wheat flour bleached

> > and

> > > enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron),

> > > malted barley flour], whole wheat flour, cracked

> > > wheat flour, high fructose corn syrup, wheat

> > gluten,

> > > yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated

> > soybean

> > > oil). Contains 2 percent or less of salt, mono-

> > and

> > > diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid,

> > > calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride, ascorbic acid,

> > > azodicarbomide, corn flour, propionate, calcium

> > flow

> > > agent, diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and

> > > digycerides.

> > >

> > > BBQ Sauce: Water, high fructose corn syrup, tomato

> > > paste, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, distilled

> > > vinegar, onions, modified food starch, salt,

> > > molasses, Worcestershire sauce (distilled vinegar,

> > > molasses, corn syrup, water, salt, caramel color,

> > > garlic powder, sugar, spices, anchovies, tamarind,

> > > natural flavors (vegetable source)), natural

> > flavors

> > > (maltodextrin, chicken fat, salt, yeast extract,

> > > modified food starch, rendered beef fat, beef

> > > extract, garlic*, beef stock, sesame seed oil, egg

> > > yolk*, alpha tocopherol as an antioxidant),

> > natural

> > > hickory smoke flavor, caramel color, spices,

> > soybean

> > > oil, chili pepper, extractives of paprika, onion*,

> > > sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard flour,

> > > garlic*, citric acid, propylene glycol alginate,

> > > ground celery. * dehydrated

> > >

> > > Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, water, distilled

> > vinegar,

> > > salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or

> > potassium

> > > sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable

> > > source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Susan <oceanfest_2000>

> > > Dec 1, 2005 6:21 AM

> > >

> > > Re: Re: Dining out-rant

> > >

> > > McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for

> > > awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan

> > patties

> > > as

> > > I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and

> > didn't

> > > care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads

> > > (back to salad again!). I think some fast food

> > > places

> > > are at least trying. It depends on consumer

> > demand.

> > >

> > > Susan

> > > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat

> > and

> > > > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for

> > us

> > > > vegans.

> > > > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it

> > > > would be great to go through a drive through to

> > > pick

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I always say if in doubt about an ingrediant then don't eat it. Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: What is it about cheese? It seems like cheese is ineverything, especially when you eat out. I have toask if the croutons in the salad have cheese in them(usually I just ask to leave them out)as many of themdo. I am amazed at how much cheese (and dairy) wehave in our foods! I never really thought about itbefore. Susan--- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> I always send meals back if they are not vegan. I> was once surprised > when I ordered a jacket potato with beans one> lunchtime - it turned > up with melted cheese all over it. It went straight> back because > there was no mention of

cheese on the menu.> > Jo> > , Susan> <oceanfest_2000> wrote:> >> > I agree that everyone draws a personal line about> how> > far they go; I have sent meals back if they forgot> and> > had even a little dab of pesto for garnish on the> > pasta; I ask to have that held, but sometimes they> > forget. Most people are understanding about> dietery> > restrictions. I'm still learning about how far I> want> > to go. I stopped my allergy shots because they> were> > grass, dust mites, dog, and cat. My allergist> said we> > could continue the grass and dust mite and (I> can't> > believe I said this) I said dust mites are living> > creatures, too. He countered with what are> bacteria? > > Oh well, I don't care if people think

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my hubby likes el pollo loco,he eats it maybe 2-3times a month,hey its better then fried kfc stuff.fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: el pollo loco is a fast food chain out here..yes..it means the crazy chicken...mostly in the southwest they are known fer their marinated chicken things......................... peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 10:50 AM Re: Dining out-rant What the hell is pollo loco? some sort of mad mint? mad chicken? The Valley Vegan.............. My brain is in my other trouserssandi gordon

<sandisweeti13132001 wrote: I wouldn't know I don't eat at el pollo loco,my family doesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..ya got something and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx

wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out

around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a

constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to -

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I wouldn't eat anything at mc d's,well maybe their hot tea or oj otherwise the ones out here serve nothing on the veg. sidefraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: they serve porridge at mcdeathburger in the UK?hmmheartwerk <jo.heartworkDec 1, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Dining out-rantThey weren't vegan I'm afraid. I did check with someone I know at the Vegetarian Society. I think the only veggie (not necessarily vegan) items you can get at McD now are salad, fruit bowl, and porridge.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for> awhile, but I don't know if they

used vegan patties as> I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't> care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads> (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places> are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. > Susan> --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001>> wrote:> > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and> > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us> > vegans.> > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it> > would be great to go through a drive through to pick> > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.> > > > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/>To send an email to -

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the crazy chicken- is the name,I think they are now called-pollo loco(no more the),I hate the commercials they run for the placepeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: What the hell is pollo loco? some sort of mad mint? mad chicken? The Valley Vegan.............. My brain is in my other trouserssandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: I wouldn't know I don't eat at el pollo loco,my family doesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..ya got something and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose

el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare

em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I

had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to -

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Hi Sandi,

 

Our situations sound very much the same. My hubby and son are both

carnivores as is everyone around me.

 

With restaurants it just depends where we go. The neighborhood ones

know me now and I usually get either a pasta with olive oil and

garlic or just a salad to tide me over. Unless we go chinese or

Thai, then it is much easier.

 

Many times I will ask the waitress to go in back and see what can be

done. Just tell them that you are allergic and they will make darn

sure not to use pans etc that had any animal products in it. The

last thing they want is an allergic reaction in their restaurant!

 

As for family get-to-gethers, I usually bring one or two dishes of

my own to make sure I have something to eat. This also allows them

to try something vegan too and usually they like it! I'll even bring

my own butter, arrive early and then help them cook. When the

veggies are done (say green beans), before they add the butter, I

put some on a seperate plate for myself and add my own soy butter to

my plate.

 

It takes a few exra steps all the way around, but at least then

people become accustomed to your needs and even try helping out.

 

Unfortunately and fortunately we now no longer have any other family

really to share with in regular family holiday dinners. They have

all pretty much distanced themselves from us. So holidays are now at

home and my father comes over. So we make what we want.

 

On my Father's side though we have a large family get-to-gether at a

restaurant every year for X-mas. We just get a buffet style dinner

which is mostly mostacolli and pizza and salad. I ask the waitress

for plain noodles with olive oil and have some salad with it. But I

do eat a bit more before I go just in case. Then the family usually

brings in their own desserts. So I will bring vegan banana bread,

cookies or something too and everyone usually loves them and cannot

believe there are no eggs or butter in mine.

 

Tho it is more work on my part, I feel it is worth it.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Nikki

 

, " Sandi "

<sandisweeti13132001> wrote:

>

> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are

all

> meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden

salad/steamed

> veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry

about

> the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the

pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same

items

> to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where

I

> live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it

easier

> to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just

ate

> the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since

being

> a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same

pot

> as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all

anyone

> else feel like me

>

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Unfortunately I have no such luxury at my house. DH has bought me a

few pots/pans of mine own in the past. But as time goes on and one

set wears out, we cannot afford to continually buy and have 2 sets

in the house. Not too mention cannot afford having two sets of

cooking utensils, eating utensils, plates, bowls, cups, etc etc.

 

So I make do with the washing and cleaning of shared things.

 

Nikki

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place that uses the

same pots and such for meat as well as veggies...

>

> everyone draws the line at different places...

>

> and, to me there is a major difference between stepping behind a

carnivore, and eating off the same pan that has been used countless

times to baste some dead critter....

>

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I guess the way we get by w/ getting new things is by asking for them for b-day/holiday stuff,that way we don't have to spend our money on new things.I have my favorite utensils/dishes that I will reuse like daily and my hubby won't touch them(yes I do wash them daily)earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Unfortunately I have no such luxury at my house. DH has bought me a few pots/pans of mine own in the past. But as time goes on and one set wears out, we cannot afford to continually buy and have 2 sets in the house. Not too mention cannot afford having two sets of cooking utensils, eating utensils, plates, bowls, cups, etc etc.So I make do with the washing and cleaning of shared things.Nikki , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:>> i

know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place that uses the same pots and such for meat as well as veggies...> > everyone draws the line at different places...> > and, to me there is a major difference between stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the same pan that has been used countless times to baste some dead critter....>

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thank you for telling me your story yes it does sound like we are in the same boat w/ a few things(nice to know),I know when hosting soemthing at your house you should think about the guest first,but to be honest I think of my immediate family first(hubby,two kids)once they are happy then I can think about the others. I will use the allergy story when I dine out,I know this sounds lame but my favorite places to go are the ones w/ the salad bars(all you can eat/serve yourself),I swear I get soo upset when my hubby/family can order pretty much anything and then I am like hmhmhm what to get not much,oh yeah the garden salad and fruit plate(usual stand bys). I am so used to just eating at home or packing my own food that everyone around me is like oh thats sandi don't worry about her she takes care of herself(since age 14). My gram has always said -socializing is all about the food???I can't stand that comment so you can't

have a nice get together w/out stuffing your face.earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Hi Sandi,Our situations sound very much the same. My hubby and son are both carnivores as is everyone around me.With restaurants it just depends where we go. The neighborhood ones know me now and I usually get either a pasta with olive oil and garlic or just a salad to tide me over. Unless we go chinese or Thai, then it is much easier.Many times I will ask the waitress to go in back and see what can be done. Just tell them that you are allergic and they will make darn sure not to use pans etc that had any animal products in it. The last thing they want is an allergic reaction in their restaurant!As for family get-to-gethers, I usually bring one or two dishes of my own to make sure I have

something to eat. This also allows them to try something vegan too and usually they like it! I'll even bring my own butter, arrive early and then help them cook. When the veggies are done (say green beans), before they add the butter, I put some on a seperate plate for myself and add my own soy butter to my plate.It takes a few exra steps all the way around, but at least then people become accustomed to your needs and even try helping out.Unfortunately and fortunately we now no longer have any other family really to share with in regular family holiday dinners. They have all pretty much distanced themselves from us. So holidays are now at home and my father comes over. So we make what we want. :)On my Father's side though we have a large family get-to-gether at a restaurant every year for X-mas. We just get a buffet style dinner which is mostly mostacolli and pizza and salad. I ask the waitress for plain noodles

with olive oil and have some salad with it. But I do eat a bit more before I go just in case. Then the family usually brings in their own desserts. So I will bring vegan banana bread, cookies or something too and everyone usually loves them and cannot believe there are no eggs or butter in mine.Tho it is more work on my part, I feel it is worth it.Hope this helps!Nikki , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001> wrote:>> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same

items > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone > else feel like me>

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My rules in my house go like this:

I will cook no meat for anyone.

I will not allow meat to be serveed in my house. I pay the rent and I control

the kitchen!

However if someone wants cheese with their meal, they can bring their own cheese

and I

will serve it for them. But no meat. If they want to eat meat with me, they can

cook a meat

meal at their house and and some vegan food for me. If they can't do it, I cook

at home

and take it over there. Or we will eat out at a place where we can all get what

we want. My

other half's family are meat eaters and my parents aren't vegans. We have vegan,

veggie

and omnivorous friends. They don't think its odd.

Those are my rules which work for me and my other half, other vegans can have

their own

rules. But as far as I can see, if a householder is the main cook in the

kitchen, he or she

decides what gets cooked there, meat, dairy or whatnot, they choose. Its only

fair.

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably

feel

annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked " MEAT EATER " For

gods

sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is

a little

hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t

we?, so why do

it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a

carnie?

>

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> sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001> wrote:

> when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that

is vegan

friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me

a tofu

meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have

people

here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for

them

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag

of mixed

nuts with you when

> eating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you can

> eat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn't

> have any!

>

> This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just an

> anomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visit

> us they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complain

> when they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely if

> we expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food for

> them for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cook

> meat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really ask

> them to cook special food for us?

>

> Jo

> -

> " herbvalerian " <herbvalerian>

>

> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM

> Re: Dining out-rant

>

>

> > Hi,

> > This can be a difficult one.

> > I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarian

> restaurants

> > round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which is

> supposed to be

> > vegetarian.

> > Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarian

> so we don't have

> > conflict about where we go.

> > When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as they

> seem to

> > understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.

> They always

> > have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has a

> vegetarian chef.

> > He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which is

> not on the menu. If

> > we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they have

> something and if

> > they seem funny on the phone we don't go.

> > I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannot

> remember it

> > must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to one

> as I have been a

> > veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned about

> utensils if I went

> > to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.

> > It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. If

> there is nothing for

> > you there be

> > assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. " Let your fingers

> do the walking "

> > through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince the

> family that you

> > are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!

> Once you do

> > this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where you

> know you can eat

> > safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.

> Stay away from fast

> > food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don't

> know about the

> > kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.

> > If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to be

> getting a

> > balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.

> > We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing they

> gave me was a

> > plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in my

> entire life, but of

> > course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride and

> groom.

> > Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next door

> neighbour's

> > house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietary

> restrictions. I make a

> > curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makes

> some rice and

> > salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. She

> often

> > cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think she

> cooked it in the same

> > pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.

> > I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult living

> with meat eaters?

> > Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cook

> meat for anyone,

> > no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.

> > Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be really

> hard. If you could

> > find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo could

> find out if there

> > are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans in

> related

> > organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I know

> some

> > vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.

> > If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggest

> where to find other

> > vegans.

> > Let us know how you get on.

> > Herb,

> > Tyneside,

> > UK

> > , " Sandi " <sandisweeti13132001>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you

> > > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all

> > > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed

> > > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about

> > > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens

> > > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items

> > > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home

> > > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I

> > > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier

> > > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate

> > > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being

> > > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding

> > > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot

> > > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone

> > > else feel like me

> > >

> >

> >

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