Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I always send meals back if they are not vegan. I was once surprised when I ordered a jacket potato with beans one lunchtime - it turned up with melted cheese all over it. It went straight back because there was no mention of cheese on the menu. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > I agree that everyone draws a personal line about how > far they go; I have sent meals back if they forgot and > had even a little dab of pesto for garnish on the > pasta; I ask to have that held, but sometimes they > forget. Most people are understanding about dietery > restrictions. I'm still learning about how far I want > to go. I stopped my allergy shots because they were > grass, dust mites, dog, and cat. My allergist said we > could continue the grass and dust mite and (I can't > believe I said this) I said dust mites are living > creatures, too. He countered with what are bacteria? > Oh well, I don't care if people think I'm weird I have > to live the way I believe and I can only do the best I > can. Susan > > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place > > that uses the same pots and such for meat as well as > > veggies... > > > > everyone draws the line at different places... > > > > and, to me there is a major difference between > > stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the same > > pan that has been used countless times to baste some > > dead critter.... > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Sorry I missunderstood, hope you liked the Hatebreed lyrics though! The Valley Vegan............For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: my hubby and kids are meat eaters,the paper plates are cheaper thats why-sorry for your reaction thoughpeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably feel annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked "MEAT EATER" For gods sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is a little hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t we?, so why do it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a carnie? The Valley Vegan.................................... For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo----- Original Message -----"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Why would you need flu shots anyway, are you elderly, very young or have a serious medical condition which lessens you bodies imune system in some way? The Valley Vegan............. What we have are not possessions we own.It's not weighed by greed or personal gain.This is real a desire for freedom.A place apart from a world in abandon.sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: so as a vegan I should avoid them right,I have since childhoodfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: flu shots are from fertlized chicken eggs..yes sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 2:08 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Isn't the flu shot from a chicken/egg??or can you request another kind Don't need no politician Tell me things I ought to be Neither no optician Tell me what I ought to see No one tells you nothing Even when you know they know They tell you what you should be They don't like to see you grow Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Peter H Model Search - Could you be the next catwalk superstar? Check out the competition now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hey aint no big thang.... I love my mother. I love my wife I love my two gorgeous girls I love my puddie tats I try to love each and everyone on this rock It aint always easy The Valley Vegan............... If you don't live for something you'll die for nothing.jo <jo.heartwork wrote: LOL - at least you admitted in public that you love her. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:37 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant My wife has irritable husband syndrome! The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: That is really annoying. I do get it if I eat things that disagree with me. Mostly I don't eat wheat, but I do like cake sometimes. If I eat wheat two days running I am very uncomfortable for a couple of days! Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:14 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I have to avoid certain foods due to my ibs(irritable bowel syndrome)so it can be tougher to enjoy some foodsjo <jo.heartwork wrote: or if it contains nuts. I know people who are variously allergic to/intolerant of peanuts, cashews, sesame seeds, almonds, beans, soya, onions and garlic, mushrooms, apples, bananas, strawberries, oranges, wheat, tomatoes and probably others I have forgotten. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:13 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Unless they are Fruitarian! The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: if someone doesn't want to make something i can eat..fine....i just don't eat with em..fair enoughtho...they still CAN eat wot i bring...not the other way aroundjo Nov 30, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dining out-rantThat's my point. We will not cook anything other than what we eat for otherpeople - and maybe shouldn't expect them to cook anything out of their usualfor us.Jo-"fraggle" Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:08 PMRe: Re: Dining out-rant> the baby cow will...>> and, i'll definately be sick if i eat cheese....>>> would ya be sick if ya ate a soup made of boiled babies???> prolly not until ya knew...>> everyone is different...like i always say> everyone takes veganism and diet to different levels>> i couldnever serve someone a non-vegan meal..that would be horrendous...> just like i couldn't help someone capture their escaped slave, just like iwouldn't sit back and watch as my guest beat the crap out of their kid, justlike i couldn't watch my guest yell racial epithets out my window....> etc and so forth>> > serene > Nov 30, 2005 10:14 AM> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant>>> On Wed, November 30, 2005 10:11 am, fraggle said:> > ah..but are they really cooking special foods?> > why are they special?> > can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?> > will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?>> Will you curl up and die if you eat cheese?>> I cook vegan nearly all the time. If someone requests something else, I> provide it. it's part of being a good host.>> serene>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 That's nice to hear :-) BBJo - peter hurd Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:26 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Hey aint no big thang.... I love my mother. I love my wife I love my two gorgeous girls I love my puddie tats I try to love each and everyone on this rock It aint always easy The Valley Vegan............... If you don't live for something you'll die for nothing.jo <jo.heartwork wrote: LOL - at least you admitted in public that you love her. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:37 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant My wife has irritable husband syndrome! The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: That is really annoying. I do get it if I eat things that disagree with me. Mostly I don't eat wheat, but I do like cake sometimes. If I eat wheat two days running I am very uncomfortable for a couple of days! Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:14 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I have to avoid certain foods due to my ibs(irritable bowel syndrome)so it can be tougher to enjoy some foodsjo <jo.heartwork wrote: or if it contains nuts. I know people who are variously allergic to/intolerant of peanuts, cashews, sesame seeds, almonds, beans, soya, onions and garlic, mushrooms, apples, bananas, strawberries, oranges, wheat, tomatoes and probably others I have forgotten. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:13 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Unless they are Fruitarian! The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: if someone doesn't want to make something i can eat..fine....i just don't eat with em..fair enoughtho...they still CAN eat wot i bring...not the other way aroundjo Nov 30, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dining out-rantThat's my point. We will not cook anything other than what we eat for otherpeople - and maybe shouldn't expect them to cook anything out of their usualfor us.Jo-"fraggle" Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:08 PMRe: Re: Dining out-rant> the baby cow will...>> and, i'll definately be sick if i eat cheese....>>> would ya be sick if ya ate a soup made of boiled babies???> prolly not until ya knew...>> everyone is different...like i always say> everyone takes veganism and diet to different levels>> i couldnever serve someone a non-vegan meal..that would be horrendous...> just like i couldn't help someone capture their escaped slave, just like iwouldn't sit back and watch as my guest beat the crap out of their kid, justlike i couldn't watch my guest yell racial epithets out my window....> etc and so forth>> > serene > Nov 30, 2005 10:14 AM> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant>>> On Wed, November 30, 2005 10:11 am, fraggle said:> > ah..but are they really cooking special foods?> > why are they special?> > can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?> > will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?>> Will you curl up and die if you eat cheese?>> I cook vegan nearly all the time. If someone requests something else, I> provide it. it's part of being a good host.>> serene>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 and of course its cooked on the grill alongside their regular fare enjoy... McVeggie Burger on a Whole Wheat Bun with Barbecue Sauce Calories 350 Calories from Fat 70 Total Fat 8 g Saturated Fat 1.5 g Cholesterol 0 mg Sodium 1490 mg Total Carbohydrates 47 g Dietary Fiber 9 g Sugar 11 g Protein 24 g Vitamin A 6% Vitamin C 15% Calcium 30% Iron 35% Veggie Patty: Water, soy protein product, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, vital wheat gluten, modified cellulose, spices, salt, evaporated cane juice powder, hydrolyzed corn and soy protein, natural flavor (vegetable source), yeast extract, caramel color, vitamin B1 (thiamine hydrochloride), vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B3 (niacinamide), vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride), vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin), pantothenic acid (calcium pantothenate), reduced iron, zinc (zinc oxide). Wheat Bun: Water, flour [(wheat flour bleached and enriched with thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, iron), malted barley flour], whole wheat flour, cracked wheat flour, high fructose corn syrup, wheat gluten, yeast, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean oil). Contains 2 percent or less of salt, mono- and diglycerides, propionic acid, phosphoric acid, calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride, ascorbic acid, azodicarbomide, corn flour, propionate, calcium flow agent, diglycerides, ethoxylated mono- and digycerides. BBQ Sauce: Water, high fructose corn syrup, tomato paste, brown sugar, apple cider vinegar, distilled vinegar, onions, modified food starch, salt, molasses, Worcestershire sauce (distilled vinegar, molasses, corn syrup, water, salt, caramel color, garlic powder, sugar, spices, anchovies, tamarind, natural flavors (vegetable source)), natural flavors (maltodextrin, chicken fat, salt, yeast extract, modified food starch, rendered beef fat, beef extract, garlic*, beef stock, sesame seed oil, egg yolk*, alpha tocopherol as an antioxidant), natural hickory smoke flavor, caramel color, spices, soybean oil, chili pepper, extractives of paprika, onion*, sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard flour, garlic*, citric acid, propylene glycol alginate, ground celery. * dehydrated Pickle Slices: Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar, salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or potassium sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric. Susan <oceanfest_2000 Dec 1, 2005 6:21 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. Susan --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us > vegans. > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it > would be great to go through a drive through to pick > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc. > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 sounds nummy.... there's a place down the street from me..Barclay's..the forner chef is now some famous person in SF cooking circles anyways..they use to do big beer tasting events, and a few times they paired food and beer events... 5 course meals..that sorta thing well..we use to hang out there a lot..and fer these events, the chef would make us our own vegan plates for the beer and food pairings..they were out of this world.... Susan <oceanfest_2000 Dec 1, 2005 6:26 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to a fancy French restaurant for her birthday. I called ahead and explained that I was vegan and asked what they could do. Even though I had called ahead, when I got there, they had apparently forgotten. They were really good about picking up the ball and rolling with it, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menu except salad and I told them I wanted more than salad.) The chef did a wonderful job of putting together a delicious dish with marinated portabello mushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lick the plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he said he enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? I can eat that at home if they forget that part. It's just one meal and I don't feel that I need protein at every meal. Susan --- Don't need no politician Tell me things I ought to be Neither no optician Tell me what I ought to see No one tells you nothing Even when you know they know They tell you what you should be They don't like to see you grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I`d love to go, but the one thing other than the fact that I couldnt afford it is that I would feel guilty seeing all the poor communities there...........no bullshit, I just would. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Jamaica's too hot for me. Jo - fraggle Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:32 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant but if Jo's sportin for the trip, lets go peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 2:26 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Kingston Jamaica? a bit of a trek? The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Same here really. If ever you can make it to Kingston go the Riverside Vegetaria. It's my favourite restaurant, and very pleasant - not posh, not rough, and a good selection on the menu (90% vegan). They even make sure you have vegan sugar, and there are vegan wines and beers. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:32 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Not posh is what I do best, I seldom - if evr do posh. The Valley Vegan.......................................................................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Yeah, expensive. We've been there twice, but I can't understand why they charge so much. Try the pub next time - it was quite good - the food was delicious even though it was not posh. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:40 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I went to one place in Bath when I was over there on a course with work, I think it was Demuths, nearly had to do a runner when I saw the bill! The Valley Vegan...........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: There's Demuths in Bath. It is veggie with some vegan options. Very nice, but rather expensive. There is a pub called something like Porters that is a veggie pub. We had vegan burger, chips and salad there. It was nice but lots of loud music - not my kind either. Jo - peter hurd Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:14 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Still you rub my face in it, so much choice! its a wonder you cook at all, and I bet its cheaper than over here? The Valley Vegan..........fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: found some places in Bath..but that was way back when and we only ate out like twice while we were there.... here..shhhesssh...eaten out like 5 days out of the week last night was sushi at koryo sushi(4 blks from my haus) monday we had vegan japanese at cha ya in berkeley(damn good mushroom miso) saturday was herbivore in SF friday was pizza at lanesplitter... and yet..we still cook everyday...go figure... fraggle peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:56 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Well I guess you can be more choosy than us over here, you would probably never eat out much over here! The Valley Vegan............. It doesn't matter anywayNever understand our kindTry to disrespect what's mineYour words don't mean a thing to meYour living in a fantasyNow we have no more to sayWe'll get about it our wayfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place that uses the same pots and such for meat as well as veggies...everyone draws the line at different places...and, to me there is a major difference between stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the same pan that has been used countless times to baste some dead critter....heartwerk Nov 30, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Dining out-rantI think it is possible to be too sensitive. I can't see any problem with eating food prepared in any utensil as long as it has been thoroughly washed. If you take that sort of thought further you might not want to go out of your house because people who eat meat have walked on the ground that you would walk on, and it would be somewhat of a joyless life.I agree with asking questions about how the food is prepared if you go to an omnivorous restaurant, and avoiding places that don't use cleaned utensils etc.JoDon't need no politicianTell me things I ought to be Neither no opticianTell me what I ought to seeNo one tells you nothingEven when you know they knowThey tell you what you should beThey don't like to see you grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 What the hell is pollo loco? some sort of mad mint? mad chicken? The Valley Vegan.............. My brain is in my other trouserssandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: I wouldn't know I don't eat at el pollo loco,my family doesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..ya got something and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Call me wierd (please!), but I love the smell of my cats paws between the pads....................lovely earthy smaell. Come on everybody smell your cats paws, go on dont be shy.................... The Valle Vegan...........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: It's dog and cat breath I can't stand. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:15 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant well after someones eats a full on meat meal and they breath on you uuuuuuggggghhhh,give me space man,then they come over to give you a wet one,I am like heck nopeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Did he bring his own oxygen as well? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: the carnie at our haus(who was "mostly veg" when he moved in, tho that turned out to be a lie) has his own plates and cooking stuff...he has his own sponge, etc... peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:51 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably feel annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked "MEAT EATER" For gods sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is a little hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t we?, so why do it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a carnie? The Valley Vegan.................................... For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo----- Original Message -----"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 they serve porridge at mcdeathburger in the UK? hmm heartwerk <jo.heartwork Dec 1, 2005 8:35 AM Re: Dining out-rant They weren't vegan I'm afraid. I did check with someone I know at the Vegetarian Society. I think the only veggie (not necessarily vegan) items you can get at McD now are salad, fruit bowl, and porridge. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for > awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as > I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't > care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads > (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places > are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. > Susan > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001> > wrote: > > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and > > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us > > vegans. > > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it > > would be great to go through a drive through to pick > > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc. > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/ > To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 el pollo loco is a fast food chain out here..yes..it means the crazy chicken...mostly in the southwest they are known fer their marinated chicken things......................... peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 10:50 AM Re: Dining out-rant What the hell is pollo loco? some sort of mad mint? mad chicken? The Valley Vegan.............. My brain is in my other trouserssandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: I wouldn't know I don't eat at el pollo loco,my family doesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..ya got something and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 What is it about cheese? It seems like cheese is in everything, especially when you eat out. I have to ask if the croutons in the salad have cheese in them (usually I just ask to leave them out)as many of them do. I am amazed at how much cheese (and dairy) we have in our foods! I never really thought about it before. Susan --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > I always send meals back if they are not vegan. I > was once surprised > when I ordered a jacket potato with beans one > lunchtime - it turned > up with melted cheese all over it. It went straight > back because > there was no mention of cheese on the menu. > > Jo > > , Susan > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > I agree that everyone draws a personal line about > how > > far they go; I have sent meals back if they forgot > and > > had even a little dab of pesto for garnish on the > > pasta; I ask to have that held, but sometimes they > > forget. Most people are understanding about > dietery > > restrictions. I'm still learning about how far I > want > > to go. I stopped my allergy shots because they > were > > grass, dust mites, dog, and cat. My allergist > said we > > could continue the grass and dust mite and (I > can't > > believe I said this) I said dust mites are living > > creatures, too. He countered with what are > bacteria? > > Oh well, I don't care if people think I'm weird I > have > > to live the way I believe and I can only do the > best I > > can. Susan > > > > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any > place > > > that uses the same pots and such for meat as > well as > > > veggies... > > > > > > everyone draws the line at different places... > > > > > > and, to me there is a major difference between > > > stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the > same > > > pan that has been used countless times to baste > some > > > dead critter.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > page! > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I wouldnt recommend anyone on here even entertains the idea of setting foot in, never mind giving them money, in McDeath............. The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: They weren't vegan I'm afraid. I did check with someone I know at the Vegetarian Society. I think the only veggie (not necessarily vegan) items you can get at McD now are salad, fruit bowl, and porridge.Jo , Susan wrote:>> McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for> awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as> I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't> care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads> (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places> are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. > Susan> --- sandi gordon > wrote:> > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and> > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us> > vegans.> > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it> > would be great to go through a drive through to pick> > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.> > > > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Peter > Call me wierd (please!), I never like to pass up an opportunity like this... you're weird :-) > but I love the smell of my cats paws between the pads....................lovely earthy smaell. Come on everybody smell your > cats paws, go on dont be shy.................... OK - this time I mean it... you're weird! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are high in fiber, and most of the b-vitamins peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Do you know if it is animal bone char used in the filtration of water, either in the large machines that use double/triple filtration or the ones you use to purify water at home? That is also my question. Any clue? I read that that was a possibility. "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - fraggle bone char or bone black....generally used in the filtration/decolorization of sugar.... > --- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:> Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in my> water filter comes from . . . .Susan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 answered this one earlier activated charcoal for water filtration systems is made from wood generally(tho know of at least one type that uses coal) apparantly coconut shell is popular to be made into charcoal.... linda Dec 1, 2005 12:02 PM Re: Dining out-rant Do you know if it is animal bone char used in the filtration of water, either in the large machines that use double/triple filtration or the ones you use to purify water at home? That is also my question. Any clue? I read that that was a possibility. "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - fraggle bone char or bone black....generally used in the filtration/decolorization of sugar.... > --- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:> Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in my> water filter comes from . . . .Susan> To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Thanks Peter, do you have a cat? The Valley Vegan............Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter > Call me wierd (please!), I never like to pass up an opportunity like this... you're weird :-) > but I love the smell of my cats paws between the pads....................lovely earthy smaell. Come on everybody smell your > cats paws, go on dont be shy.................... OK - this time I mean it... you're weird! BB PeterPeter H Win a Vespa NEW - Cars has 3 Vespa LX125s to be won Enter Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I went to a sushi restaurant the other day and they had a mushroom seaweed salad that sounded pretty good. I ordered it but never got it. I'm gonna try a different location later and give it a go. I did get some wasabi mashed potatoes that I loved, as well as some avocado rolls and miso soup. The miso really hit the spot! They put garnish plates out with wasabi and a huge pile of ginger, I devoured those since I really, really enjoy them. In fact the waitress looked at me like I was nuts when she found me enjoying the wasabi with my nice dry white wine. Oh well, keep em guessing, huh?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are high in fiber, and most of the b-vitamins peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 They do. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:57 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant > they serve porridge at mcdeathburger in the UK? > hmm > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > http://music./unlimited/ > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I was very cross with the Veg Soc when they allowed McD to have their logo. I did write to them, and had a bit of an argument with them. I bet they feel stupid now McD have given up on their veggie burgers. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:16 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I wouldnt recommend anyone on here even entertains the idea of setting foot in, never mind giving them money, in McDeath............. The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: They weren't vegan I'm afraid. I did check with someone I know at the Vegetarian Society. I think the only veggie (not necessarily vegan) items you can get at McD now are salad, fruit bowl, and porridge.Jo , Susan wrote:>> McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for> awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as> I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't> care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads> (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places> are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. > Susan> --- sandi gordon > wrote:> > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and> > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us> > vegans.> > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it> > would be great to go through a drive through to pick> > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.> > > > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I fell out with them years ago, didnt like their "we know best" attitude, then I switched alledgence to The Vegan Society, who do tend to listen to criticism and take time out for its members on a personal level. The Valley Vegan................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I was very cross with the Veg Soc when they allowed McD to have their logo. I did write to them, and had a bit of an argument with them. I bet they feel stupid now McD have given up on their veggie burgers. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:16 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I wouldnt recommend anyone on here even entertains the idea of setting foot in, never mind giving them money, in McDeath............. The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: They weren't vegan I'm afraid. I did check with someone I know at the Vegetarian Society. I think the only veggie (not necessarily vegan) items you can get at McD now are salad, fruit bowl, and porridge.Jo , Susan wrote:>> McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for> awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as> I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't> care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads> (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places> are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. > Susan> --- sandi gordon > wrote:> > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and> > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us> > vegans.> > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it> > would be great to go through a drive through to pick> > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc.> > > > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 just checkin, but did you make sure the miso was vegan? hard to find a nice vegan miso in a restaurant.... Jonnie Hellens Dec 1, 2005 12:54 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I went to a sushi restaurant the other day and they had a mushroom seaweed salad that sounded pretty good. I ordered it but never got it. I'm gonna try a different location later and give it a go. I did get some wasabi mashed potatoes that I loved, as well as some avocado rolls and miso soup. The miso really hit the spot! They put garnish plates out with wasabi and a huge pile of ginger, I devoured those since I really, really enjoy them. In fact the waitress looked at me like I was nuts when she found me enjoying the wasabi with my nice dry white wine. Oh well, keep em guessing, huh?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: mushrooms have a pretty high protein ratio..and are high in fiber, and most of the b-vitamins peter hurd Dec 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Surely the mushrooms are a fairly good protien?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to afancy French restaurant for her birthday. I calledahead and explained that I was vegan and asked whatthey could do. Even though I had called ahead, when Igot there, they had apparently forgotten. They werereally good about picking up the ball and rolling withit, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menuexcept salad and I told them I wanted more thansalad.) The chef did a wonderful job of puttingtogether a delicious dish with marinated portabellomushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lickthe plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he saidhe enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? Ican eat that at home if they forget that part. It'sjust one meal and I don't feel that I need protein atevery meal. Susan--- sandi gordon wrote:> True what is the proetin we get when we go to a> restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a> restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you> never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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