(unknown)

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Lopez, Ariana

rawfood

Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:37 PM

RE: [Raw Food] (unknown)

 

 

I'm schocked at how narrow minded some people are. I understand this board is

raw vegan, however if someone is asked how they construct their diet or where

they get their protein from, are they just not going to answer? No one is being

forced to take on another style of living or pressured to use animal products.

Simply stating that someone eats such foods, should not intimidate or create

conflict. In other words, back off and stop being so tight about this petty

issue that is not going to harm you.

Ariana>>>

 

and again follow the rules and no it won't harm me by reading about it but it

sure harms the fish and animals and offends vegans which again this group was

set up to be RAW VEGAN...

so it's safe to assume you're not a true vegan then so why dont YOU then go to

a group that isn't supposed to be totally vegan!!!

 

tara

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/11/2004 8:47:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,

alopez writes:

No, I think I will stay here. But thank you for trying to boot me out. The

bass I had on sunday with my salad was delicious. Thanks for asking.

 

 

rotflmao!!!.... peace, ... Mandy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

No, I think I will stay here. But thank you for trying to boot me out. The bass

I had on sunday with my salad was delicious. Thanks for asking.

______________________________\

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and again follow the rules and no it won't harm me by reading about it but it

sure harms the fish and animals and offends vegans which again this group was

set up to be RAW VEGAN...

so it's safe to assume you're not a true vegan then so why dont YOU then go to

a group that isn't supposed to be totally vegan!!!

 

tara

 

 

[Guest guest]

>

>No, I think I will stay here. But thank you for trying to boot me out. The

>bass I had on sunday with my salad was delicious. Thanks for asking.

>_____________________________\

_________________

> and again follow the rules and no it won't harm me by reading about it

>but it sure harms the fish and animals and offends vegans which again this

>group was set up to be RAW VEGAN...

> so it's safe to assume you're not a true vegan then so why dont YOU then

>go to a group that isn't supposed to be totally vegan!!!

>

> tara

 

>

> Um I agree with Tara, I think that if you do not follow a raw vegan

>diet, you should not write about how great your dead animals tasted on a

>raw VEGAN group. It grosses me out.

 

Angie

 

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i don't think anyone ever uses the chat option here....

 

 

alright dudes so im new here and is it just my computer or does no

one go on the chat? does it even work? everytime i go one, im the

only one there

[Guest guest]

Hi - welcome to the list, I don't think it is used - I know I don't use it,

as I have fairly limited time - maybe now you've mentioned it others might.

I hope you enjoy it here.

 

Jo

 

 

> alright dudes so im new here and is it just my computer or does no

> one go on the chat? does it even work? everytime i go one, im the

> only one there

[Guest guest]

nope, i think it is the chat, when i go in im the only one there too. i think it would be fun to chat live with some veg heads.

emocore_girl51 <kora_pakora_171 wrote:

alright dudes so im new here and is it just my computer or does no one go on the chat? does it even work? everytime i go one, im the only one thereTo send an email to -

 

 

[Guest guest]

HI Elizabeth,

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 10:57:50 +0000, elizabeth Lugin wrote:

> Thank you for accepting me. I have suffered from an ailment for 25 years

> traditional American way, shows her own skepticism as she treats me. Am I

> still welcome? Now that you know this?

 

 

I cannot think why you would not be welcome here!

 

regards

Persian

--

 

" We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation

and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feather so badly that,

beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would

depict the devil in human form " - William Ralph Inge

 

" The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk,

horses' milk or giraffes' milk. " ~Michael Klapper, M.D.

 

Only when the last tree has died

and the last river has been poisoned

and the last fish has been caught

will we realise we cannot eat money. - Cree Indian saying

[Guest guest]

Kenya,

I backpack at least 8 times a year. I don't have a lot of time right now but I promise I will email you later this weekend with all kinds of food ideas to pack.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenya,

 

My dad's a hare core backpacker and he llikes to take Luna bars with him.

 

Love,

Anna

 

 

>Kenya Garcia <sweetbrenda_3

>

>

> (unknown)

>Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>Hi Everyone,

>

>My name is Kenya. I just recently, in May, turn vegetarian. It was much

>easier than what I thought. What I been having problems with is cheese but

>I'm working on that. Eggs wasn't too hard either.

>

>I became vegetarian after reading how inhumane animals raise for

>consumption are treated and slaughter.

>

>I would like to find out from those of you who have gone backpacking, what

>kind of food do you take when you go back packing? I will be going back

>packing in August for about 3 days and besides fruits I don't know what

>else to bring with me. I don't think we will be cooking (if we cook) during

>the day only when we settle for the night.

>

>So any tips will be appreciated. Look forward to any responses.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Kenya

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Jamie,

 

I get dressing recipes from http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/dressings/

There are a ton and all low-fat. I really like

the viniagrettes, the tomato herb dressing, zesty

herb dressing...etc

 

Morgan

 

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Jamie Albright

Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:10 AM

(unknown)

 

 

I was looking for some recipes for homemade salad dressings that weren't high in cholosterol or fat. But with awesome flavor, something different. I do like the oil based one's, not necessarily the creamy kind.

 

thanks,

JamieThe greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. -- Gandhi

 

 

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Hi,

 

I was a meat eater until about your age too, it's been eight years now. The PETA site has a lot of info on this and they have footage of how factory-farmed animals live, hen factories, etc, and you can get a free copy of their vegetarian starter kit http://www.peta.org/about/faq-veg.asp. I know a popular book is diet for a small planet.

 

You might want to start by getting a veggie cookbook and change a few meals a week to see how you liek it. I like The Meatless Gourmet: Easy Lowfat Favorites and The Meatless Gourmet: Favorite Recipes from Around the World, they both have easy to make recipes using ordinary ingredients.

 

Good luck!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

visual_infinityuk

Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:32 PM

(unknown)

Dear Group,I understand this is a group for recipe exchange but I would like to find some help on my queries below and have been unsuccesful in finding a decent forum to discuss them in so I was hoping some of you could contribute towards them since they affect most vegetarians in some way.I have recently given considerable thought to becoming a vegetarian, I have pondered over being one since I was about 13, but I am 22 now and have rcently considered this issue in light of some disturbing images I saw on TV over animal testing (a monkey with some of its brain exposed!!!) and on battery chickens and now feel I can successfully plan my own diet. The reason for wanting to be a vegetarian is partly logic, it is not logical to destroy one life to support another imo, also of compassion over the disgusting living conditions battery farm chickens have to be put through amongst other animals.I dont think I will have a problem switching to being a vegetarian (as some people I know are suggesting it will be a big lifestyle change lmao) because I am not the type to look at a BBQ and think "oh, I'd love to bite into one of those juicy burgers" lol. However, I have in thinking about this issue over the last two days had some curious thoughts over what I may or may not eat on my grounds for not eating meat and whether or not for example I may wear leather shoes (I dont recall seeing any decent shoes for example of any other material... btw - this reminds me someone recently suggested I am over analytical which I think is quite true ;o)If I am going to be against killing and eating cows for example over the logic as suggested, then killing a cow for its leather is even less justified. Also, is it ok to say I dont eat cow on the basis it is not a prefered flavour since I am not aware of whether or not cows are treated poorly??Have any of you advice on where I may read about what people in the vegetarian world are saying about these issues? Or places where I may discuss this logically?Jonathancontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

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I suggest that you tackle this on the basis of the health benefits of meat of all kinds. the thing about being and becoming a vegetarian, is that this must be tackled from a knowledge of the health benfits to you standpoint.

 

Once you discover the overall benefits of a vegetarian diet and the numerous ways that you can get protein aside from dairy and meat ( none of which you will find in standard industry material for obvious reasons), you'll be on a knowledge track from which nobody can derail you.

 

I also suggest that you read materials on the myriad of ways that you can become a vegetarian ( there are levels for sure). You'll find a lot of this stuff in health food stores. If you study very closely the emerging FOOD TRIANGLE, you'll find more and moer that meat is being relagated to fewer and fewer servings. The science of it ( hwen pure scientist become involved ) is very difficult to refute.

 

You'll then be prepared to shop differently, as well as treat your freinds how to treat you. Just as they respect non-alcohol drinkers and non-smokers on the point of principle, they come to respect your new and permanent choices as well. When you are informed , there is no need to explain. Most folks already know that meat and dairy are high cholesterol content foods, but it is often difficult to reconcile this with the strong draw and attachment to culture and tradition.

 

Your grandmother and mother will almost disown you if you waver in any way. Consistency is the watch word as in all things. People respect consistency over the long haul, and that is the most difficult for most newbie vegetarians who are trying to become principled in their approach.

 

You must ween yourself slowly from meats starting first with the worst, beef, then pork, then on down the line over a period of years. If you are like me , you'll do it overnight once you get sufficint knowledge form your own research and readings. Colds, flus, sinus conditions, and other forms of mucus generations will be the first to leave you.

 

The new discipline will help you in all other areas of your life, once you internalize the principle of discipline, then apply it to other areas of your life that need changing.

 

Off my soap box now.

Good Luck!

Out,

P B Hallvisual_infinityuk <jonathan_northampton wrote:

Dear Group,I understand this is a group for recipe exchange but I would like to find some help on my queries below and have been unsuccesful in finding a decent forum to discuss them in so I was hoping some of you could contribute towards them since they affect most vegetarians in some way.I have recently given considerable thought to becoming a vegetarian, I have pondered over being one since I was about 13, but I am 22 now and have rcently considered this issue in light of some disturbing images I saw on TV over animal testing (a monkey with some of its brain exposed!!!) and on battery chickens and now feel I can successfully plan my own diet. The reason for wanting to be a vegetarian is partly logic, it is not logical to destroy one life to support another imo, also of compassion over the disgusting living

conditions battery farm chickens have to be put through amongst other animals.I dont think I will have a problem switching to being a vegetarian (as some people I know are suggesting it will be a big lifestyle change lmao) because I am not the type to look at a BBQ and think "oh, I'd love to bite into one of those juicy burgers" lol. However, I have in thinking about this issue over the last two days had some curious thoughts over what I may or may not eat on my grounds for not eating meat and whether or not for example I may wear leather shoes (I dont recall seeing any decent shoes for example of any other material... btw - this reminds me someone recently suggested I am over analytical which I think is quite true ;o)If I am going to be against killing and eating cows for example over the logic as suggested, then killing a cow for its leather is even less justified. Also, is it ok to say I dont eat cow on the

basis it is not a prefered flavour since I am not aware of whether or not cows are treated poorly??Have any of you advice on where I may read about what people in the vegetarian world are saying about these issues? Or places where I may discuss this logically?Jonathancontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this listMake Your Knowledge Sell!http://ctpm.sitesell.com/rowena3510.htmlThis document may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Whether you are the intended recipient or otherwise, you are hereby on notice that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the electronically transmitted materials is prohibited.

[Guest guest]

, prince hall

<princehll1> wrote:

You must ween yourself slowly from meats starting first with the

worst, beef, then pork, then on down the line over a period of years.

If you are like me , you'll do it overnight once you get sufficint

knowledge form your own research and readings. Colds, flus, sinus

conditions, and other forms of mucus generations will be the first to

leave you.

 

 

Where may I read further information to support the health benefits

mentiond above?

 

I dont eat beef and havnt done for a long time (keep off BSE lol),

not a fan of lamb besides mince in sphagetti bolognase either. I only

really eat chicken turkey and lamb minced and prawns. What happens to

the stomach of a vegetarian? We have evolved consuming 90% of our

diet as meat, doesnt a vegetarian diet lead to lots of heartburn?

 

 

 

Jonathan

[Guest guest]

what is the reason behind his depression, is he overweight?

 

 

 

Renata Shiloah MS RD CDN

Nutritionist4U Counseling, PC

The Rock Health & Fitness Club

Astoria, NY

516 343 8745

www.nutritionist4u.com

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome Latice:) Where did you go to school if you don't mind my

asking? Sounds wonderful!

 

Debra

 

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

 

Analyst - Mortgage I

 

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

 

debrathompson <debrathompson

 

214.492.7402

 

Lindsey Sanders [tiger200183]

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:06 AM

(unknown)

 

 

Hi group,

 

Well I came across this group well looking for another group.

My friend also just started a vegetarian group in Miami and I wanted to

see how I can help her better her group. I'm really not a full pledge

vegetarian as if now. I use to be back when I was living with my

parents. It was kind of hard not to be because everywhere I go people

was only serving vegetarian food. For example, the private school I

attended for seven years only serve vegetarian food for lunch and the

cook made it taste great so I was hooked. Anyway if you would like to

find out more about me on a personal level just look at my profile.

Later I will begin to post recipes but there is one recipe I will not

post yet in hopes that I might be able to publish it in a well known

cookbook. (Hint: Chilli) Oh I'm doing a vegetarian Thanksgiving dinner

for my friends so wish me luck!!

 

Your new member,

Latice

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome:) Have you had a chance to check out the files section for

recipes? TONS of information there:)

 

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

 

Analyst - Mortgage I

 

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

 

debrathompson <debrathompson

 

214.492.7402

 

Crunchand Munch [chupychick]

Friday, December 17, 2004 1:14 AM

(unknown)

 

 

Hello, all. I am chupychick, a lifelong vegetarian who moved

out of my parents' house 3 years ago. I joined because upon leaving the

nest, I found it difficult to maintain a healthy lifestyle and eating

habits. I look forward to getting to know the group.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

welcome!!!

Blessings,

Chanda/Maria

-

Crunchand Munch

Friday, December 17, 2004 2:13 AM

(unknown)

 

 

Hello, all. I am chupychick, a lifelong vegetarian who moved out of my

parents' house 3 years ago. I joined because upon leaving the nest, I found it

difficult to maintain a healthy lifestyle and eating habits. I look forward to

getting to know the group.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Anna,

 

Welcome to the group! I've been vegan for 8 years and I find it very easy, - I would advice you to get in touch with organizations like Viva and The Vegan Society and get yourself some simple recipe books,- Viva have a good one for people starting out on the vegan path,- after 8 years I've become a very good vegan chef!

Its important tp get some good nutritonal imformation aswell,-if there's anythingelse you like to know just ask,

 

 

Joanne

 

 

 

 

-

Anna Midgley

Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:25 PM

(unknown)

 

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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Hi Anna,

 

I'm not sure it sounds bad that you became a vegetarian for a bet. Not many people would have been even willing to try. Besides, it makes for a more interesting story than most!

 

 

> 14. I just need some advice on veganism really.

> There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

What do you want to know?!

 

If you're after general information, there are a bunch of websites out there. The Vegan Society site has a lot of information on all aspects of veganism: www.vegansociety.com. Or for a less overwhelming overview, try www.vegan-info.com. This also has a lively vegan discussion list you can join, and a mentor scheme where they match you up with someone who will help you with becoming a vegan.

 

Other than that, if you've any questions at all, just ask - either on the list, or feel free to email me directly

 

All the best,

 

John

 

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]26 December 2004 22:25 Subject: (unknown)

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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According to the groups and contacts pages in the Vegan magazine there is a Vegan Group based in Ramsgate, so no reason why you should not soon be able to meet up with some like-minded people. You are lucky to have a group near you. The contact person is listed on the Vegan Society website, here, under Kent, someone called Rosalind,

 

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/about_us/local_contacts/england.php

 

Don't worry about not being fully vegan yet, most vegan groups I've come across are very definitely welcoming so long as people eat vegan food only at their events. I'm sure they will be very pleased to hear from someone thinking about being vegan.

 

Realfood also do a vegan buddying scheme to help with the transition to veganism,

http://www.realfood.org.uk/

 

You think your start doing it as a bet was bad, please don't think of it like that! It doesn't matter, you got started on a more compassionate way of life and that is what matters.

 

I was hovering on the brink of veganism for a year or two, really knowing it was the right thing to do but I just lacked the will-power to give up cheese, and only finally made the change when I was going out with someone who was vegan! As well as caring about the animals, I wanted to be good enough for this man, and he seemed to be still hung up on a previous girlfriend who was a meat-eater and that gave me the push I needed, I was a bit in awe of him as he was about three years older than me and more confident and quite a good campaigner on animal rights, and I was desperate to be as good in his opinion as his previous g/f and I mistakenly thought if I was vegan like him and not as I thought he saw it, a mere lame half-hearted veggie, he would really care for me and forget about her, but I also felt it was stupid of me to feel I was not good enough as I had always been quite the little feminist. In fact I don't think he ever saw me as being as good a person as his ex but hey that was his problem not mine and even after we parted ways I stuck with veganism because I wanted to be vegan for the animals, and that was what mattered.

 

When I said to a friend years later that I felt I was pretty weak to have dithered so long and waited to go vegan until I was going out with a vegan (who did not really care for me anyway), one of my very dedicated vegan friends who was brought up vegetarian, confessed that for a brief time she ate meat because of the influence of a meat-eating boyfriend, and she said that was much worse! I guess she was not so dedicated then, as she was raised veggie and not a convert to it, so until she was really consciously connecting eating habits with the suffering of animals it did not really click for her how important it was to stay veggie. I don't see her lapse as much different from me eating meat when I was younger, I just was not very aware and I suppose she was not at the time. She is one of the most dedicated and hard working vegans I know now.

 

I went vegetarian when I was in 6th form at school and being accused of being a hypocrite by my classmates who were doing dissection (I was not doing biology myself so did not get put in the position of standing up and refusing to dissect). I told them how sick it was killing animals just so you can cut them up when you can study books and models instead. I asked them why they didn't refuse to do it because it was cruel, and I said I would have definitely refused to take part, so they told me I was a hypocrite for eating meat if I thought it was wrong to kill animals, so I blurted out this is the last time I eat meat because I cannot argue with that. And I knew I had to stick to it or be a complete fake! Thankfully it was not hard because my mum was supportive, and I was ready to make the commitment to be veggie. So while it was not exactly a bet, I definitely found being challenged by meat-eaters to be consistent gave me the push to do it. I cannot respect someone who is a total hypocrite so I decided they would more likely take notice of what I had to say on cruelty to animals if I lived by what I believed.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

John Davis [mcxg46]29 December 2004 11:04 ; pinkspanna6Subject: RE: (unknown)

Hi Anna,

 

I'm not sure it sounds bad that you became a vegetarian for a bet. Not many people would have been even willing to try. Besides, it makes for a more interesting story than most!

 

 

> 14. I just need some advice on veganism really.

> There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

What do you want to know?!

 

If you're after general information, there are a bunch of websites out there. The Vegan Society site has a lot of information on all aspects of veganism: www.vegansociety.com. Or for a less overwhelming overview, try www.vegan-info.com. This also has a lively vegan discussion list you can join, and a mentor scheme where they match you up with someone who will help you with becoming a vegan.

 

Other than that, if you've any questions at all, just ask - either on the list, or feel free to email me directly

 

All the best,

 

John

 

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]26 December 2004 22:25 Subject: (unknown)

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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Hey John!

Just wanted to say thenks for your help regarding my S.O.S. in my introduction email. I've just emailed Fran Hutcheson at www.vegan-info.com asking for a mentor so hopefully that'll be quite useful. This probably sounds a bit vague but if there's anything else you can think of, any major obstacles or problems you've encountered whilst being vegan then can you let me know, just so I know what to expect.

 

Thank you so much again.

 

Spanna )John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:

 

Hi Anna,

 

I'm not sure it sounds bad that you became a vegetarian for a bet. Not many people would have been even willing to try. Besides, it makes for a more interesting story than most!

 

 

> 14. I just need some advice on veganism really.

> There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

What do you want to know?!

 

If you're after general information, there are a bunch of websites out there. The Vegan Society site has a lot of information on all aspects of veganism: www.vegansociety.com. Or for a less overwhelming overview, try www.vegan-info.com. This also has a lively vegan discussion list you can join, and a mentor scheme where they match you up with someone who will help you with becoming a vegan.

 

Other than that, if you've any questions at all, just ask - either on the list, or feel free to email me directly

 

All the best,

 

John

 

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]26 December 2004 22:25 Subject: (unknown)

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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Hi Lesley!

Just thought I'd say thanks for emailing. I had absolutely no idea about the vegan group that's based in Ramsgate, I've just not been made very aware of these things. You can't find any vegan publications in Ramsgate, any advertisements or such like, I just don't have the time to look these things up.

Another thing I've been trying to find out that I was wondering if you could maybe help me with; are tattooing inks/pigments vegan friendly and if so, which ones? It sounds easy enough to find out but it's seemingly impossible. I'm an apprentice tattoo artist and am quite heavily tattooed myself and I've tried phoning and emailing suppliers for a list of ingredients but, as is the case with most tattoo suppliers and other artists, they're very tight with their information. The suppliers seem to think a 19 year old apprentice will be able to take a list of ingredients and start making her own batches!!! Alot of pigments are suspended in glycerol/glycerine to thicken the pigment and give it a more paste like texture. I've only found out that a company called Intenze Colours uses this technique, so they're out of the question. Unfortunately, I am going to have to make some sacrifices due to the nature of my work but I have been told that if I

can find vegan alternatives to products that may not be suitable e.g. Vaseline/ Petroleum Jelly, Isopropyl Alcohol, Washing Up Liquid, and pay for them myself then that's fine. Now I just have to find them.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Spanna )Lesley Dove <Lesley wrote:

 

 

According to the groups and contacts pages in the Vegan magazine there is a Vegan Group based in Ramsgate, so no reason why you should not soon be able to meet up with some like-minded people. You are lucky to have a group near you. The contact person is listed on the Vegan Society website, here, under Kent, someone called Rosalind,

 

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/about_us/local_contacts/england.php

 

Don't worry about not being fully vegan yet, most vegan groups I've come across are very definitely welcoming so long as people eat vegan food only at their events. I'm sure they will be very pleased to hear from someone thinking about being vegan.

 

Realfood also do a vegan buddying scheme to help with the transition to veganism,

http://www.realfood.org.uk/

 

You think your start doing it as a bet was bad, please don't think of it like that! It doesn't matter, you got started on a more compassionate way of life and that is what matters.

 

I was hovering on the brink of veganism for a year or two, really knowing it was the right thing to do but I just lacked the will-power to give up cheese, and only finally made the change when I was going out with someone who was vegan! As well as caring about the animals, I wanted to be good enough for this man, and he seemed to be still hung up on a previous girlfriend who was a meat-eater and that gave me the push I needed, I was a bit in awe of him as he was about three years older than me and more confident and quite a good campaigner on animal rights, and I was desperate to be as good in his opinion as his previous g/f and I mistakenly thought if I was vegan like him and not as I thought he saw it, a mere lame half-hearted veggie, he would really care for me and forget about her, but I also felt it was stupid of me to feel I was not good enough as I had always been quite the

little feminist. In fact I don't think he ever saw me as being as good a person as his ex but hey that was his problem not mine and even after we parted ways I stuck with veganism because I wanted to be vegan for the animals, and that was what mattered.

 

When I said to a friend years later that I felt I was pretty weak to have dithered so long and waited to go vegan until I was going out with a vegan (who did not really care for me anyway), one of my very dedicated vegan friends who was brought up vegetarian, confessed that for a brief time she ate meat because of the influence of a meat-eating boyfriend, and she said that was much worse! I guess she was not so dedicated then, as she was raised veggie and not a convert to it, so until she was really consciously connecting eating habits with the suffering of animals it did not really click for her how important it was to stay veggie. I don't see her lapse as much different from me eating meat when I was younger, I just was not very aware and I suppose she was not at the time. She is one of the most dedicated and hard working vegans I know now.

 

I went vegetarian when I was in 6th form at school and being accused of being a hypocrite by my classmates who were doing dissection (I was not doing biology myself so did not get put in the position of standing up and refusing to dissect). I told them how sick it was killing animals just so you can cut them up when you can study books and models instead. I asked them why they didn't refuse to do it because it was cruel, and I said I would have definitely refused to take part, so they told me I was a hypocrite for eating meat if I thought it was wrong to kill animals, so I blurted out this is the last time I eat meat because I cannot argue with that. And I knew I had to stick to it or be a complete fake! Thankfully it was not hard because my mum was supportive, and I was ready to make the commitment to be veggie. So while it was not exactly a bet, I definitely found being

challenged by meat-eaters to be consistent gave me the push to do it. I cannot respect someone who is a total hypocrite so I decided they would more likely take notice of what I had to say on cruelty to animals if I lived by what I believed.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

John Davis [mcxg46]29 December 2004 11:04 ; pinkspanna6Subject: RE: (unknown)

Hi Anna,

 

I'm not sure it sounds bad that you became a vegetarian for a bet. Not many people would have been even willing to try. Besides, it makes for a more interesting story than most!

 

 

> 14. I just need some advice on veganism really.

> There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

What do you want to know?!

 

If you're after general information, there are a bunch of websites out there. The Vegan Society site has a lot of information on all aspects of veganism: www.vegansociety.com. Or for a less overwhelming overview, try www.vegan-info.com. This also has a lively vegan discussion list you can join, and a mentor scheme where they match you up with someone who will help you with becoming a vegan.

 

Other than that, if you've any questions at all, just ask - either on the list, or feel free to email me directly

 

All the best,

 

John

 

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]26 December 2004 22:25 Subject: (unknown)

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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Hi Spanna,

 

Glad to hear you've got in touch with Fran - I know her from one of the discussion lists, and she's very helpful.

 

Major obstacles to being vegan...Well, for me, I had it real easy. I was already a vegetarian, and having made that transition, cutting out the last few bits of dairy didn't seem that hard. Especially as there are 'fake' milks, cheeses, etc. available. Getting rid of my non-vegan clothing was a bit harder, but on the other hand vegans disagree on whether this is important anyway - it is certainly important not to buy new non-vegan products, but if you already have them, it is often argued that keeping them makes no difference. For me, though, it was kind of symbolic - getting rid of everything non-vegan from my life.

 

I think the biggest obstacle generally encountered is the reactions of other people, friends, family, even people at a restaurant. But, hopefully, if people have accepted you being a vegetarian, they'll respect your decision to become vegan as well. And if all else fails, email lists/vegan groups give you a place to vent your frustrations at a non-vegan world!

 

Other than that, it is sometimes hard when you find you've inadvertantly eaten/used something that isn't vegan. But I find it real helpful to bear in mind that veganism is an ideal, not some state that can ever be achieved: it 'seeks to exclude as far as possible and practical' animal products. So if you accidentally use something non-vegan, or discover a non-vegan ingredient in some essential medicine, that doesn't mean you're being hypocritical, or everything else you do to be a vegan isn't still worth doing!

 

Cheers,

 

John

Ps: I vaguely recall a discussion about tattoo ingredients on a list somewhere, and seem to remember someone saying that plenty are vegan. Another place to ask for obscure advice is www.veganvillage.co.uk, and I'd be willing to bet that if you placed a message on their board someone would be able to help.

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]29 December 2004 19:09 Subject: RE: (unknown)

 

 

Hey John!

Just wanted to say thenks for your help regarding my S.O.S. in my introduction email. I've just emailed Fran Hutcheson at www.vegan-info.com asking for a mentor so hopefully that'll be quite useful. This probably sounds a bit vague but if there's anything else you can think of, any major obstacles or problems you've encountered whilst being vegan then can you let me know, just so I know what to expect.

 

Thank you so much again.

 

Spanna )John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:

 

Hi Anna,

 

I'm not sure it sounds bad that you became a vegetarian for a bet. Not many people would have been even willing to try. Besides, it makes for a more interesting story than most!

 

 

> 14. I just need some advice on veganism really.

> There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

What do you want to know?!

 

If you're after general information, there are a bunch of websites out there. The Vegan Society site has a lot of information on all aspects of veganism: www.vegansociety.com. Or for a less overwhelming overview, try www.vegan-info.com. This also has a lively vegan discussion list you can join, and a mentor scheme where they match you up with someone who will help you with becoming a vegan.

 

Other than that, if you've any questions at all, just ask - either on the list, or feel free to email me directly

 

All the best,

 

John

 

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]26 December 2004 22:25 Subject: (unknown)

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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Unfortunately I wouldn't know anything about the veganness of tattoos as the idea of getting one has never appealed to me so I've never looked into it.

I did hear once about someone who had the vegan symbol as a tattoo, I thought that was pretty good!

I've come across loads of vegans who do like tattoos so I am sure you will be able to get some answers from someone soon.

 

You make a good point about not seeing any information locally about your local vegan group, because I think it is true that a lot of groups don't publicise themselves very well. I have been trying to get things happening with other veggies and vegans in my area but I know I need to do more about publicity. They might only be quite a small group in your area, maybe you could offer to help them with publicising themselves if you feel that they are not getting well-known enough in the area.

 

If you don't get the Vegan magazine you might not know about them, and most vegans are not members of the Vegan Society. Non-vegans can join as associate members too.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]29 December 2004 19:33 Subject: RE: (unknown)

Hi Lesley!

Just thought I'd say thanks for emailing. I had absolutely no idea about the vegan group that's based in Ramsgate, I've just not been made very aware of these things. You can't find any vegan publications in Ramsgate, any advertisements or such like, I just don't have the time to look these things up.

Another thing I've been trying to find out that I was wondering if you could maybe help me with; are tattooing inks/pigments vegan friendly and if so, which ones? It sounds easy enough to find out but it's seemingly impossible. I'm an apprentice tattoo artist and am quite heavily tattooed myself and I've tried phoning and emailing suppliers for a list of ingredients but, as is the case with most tattoo suppliers and other artists, they're very tight with their information. The suppliers seem to think a 19 year old apprentice will be able to take a list of ingredients and start making her own batches!!! Alot of pigments are suspended in glycerol/glycerine to thicken the pigment and give it a more paste like texture. I've only found out that a company called Intenze Colours uses this technique, so they're out of the question. Unfortunately, I am going to have to make some sacrifices due to the nature of my work but I have been told that if I can find vegan alternatives to products that may not be suitable e.g. Vaseline/ Petroleum Jelly, Isopropyl Alcohol, Washing Up Liquid, and pay for them myself then that's fine. Now I just have to find them.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Spanna )Lesley Dove <Lesley wrote:

 

 

According to the groups and contacts pages in the Vegan magazine there is a Vegan Group based in Ramsgate, so no reason why you should not soon be able to meet up with some like-minded people. You are lucky to have a group near you. The contact person is listed on the Vegan Society website, here, under Kent, someone called Rosalind,

 

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/about_us/local_contacts/england.php

 

Don't worry about not being fully vegan yet, most vegan groups I've come across are very definitely welcoming so long as people eat vegan food only at their events. I'm sure they will be very pleased to hear from someone thinking about being vegan.

 

Realfood also do a vegan buddying scheme to help with the transition to veganism,

http://www.realfood.org.uk/

 

You think your start doing it as a bet was bad, please don't think of it like that! It doesn't matter, you got started on a more compassionate way of life and that is what matters.

 

I was hovering on the brink of veganism for a year or two, really knowing it was the right thing to do but I just lacked the will-power to give up cheese, and only finally made the change when I was going out with someone who was vegan! As well as caring about the animals, I wanted to be good enough for this man, and he seemed to be still hung up on a previous girlfriend who was a meat-eater and that gave me the push I needed, I was a bit in awe of him as he was about three years older than me and more confident and quite a good campaigner on animal rights, and I was desperate to be as good in his opinion as his previous g/f and I mistakenly thought if I was vegan like him and not as I thought he saw it, a mere lame half-hearted veggie, he would really care for me and forget about her, but I also felt it was stupid of me to feel I was not good enough as I had always been quite the little feminist. In fact I don't think he ever saw me as being as good a person as his ex but hey that was his problem not mine and even after we parted ways I stuck with veganism because I wanted to be vegan for the animals, and that was what mattered.

 

When I said to a friend years later that I felt I was pretty weak to have dithered so long and waited to go vegan until I was going out with a vegan (who did not really care for me anyway), one of my very dedicated vegan friends who was brought up vegetarian, confessed that for a brief time she ate meat because of the influence of a meat-eating boyfriend, and she said that was much worse! I guess she was not so dedicated then, as she was raised veggie and not a convert to it, so until she was really consciously connecting eating habits with the suffering of animals it did not really click for her how important it was to stay veggie. I don't see her lapse as much different from me eating meat when I was younger, I just was not very aware and I suppose she was not at the time. She is one of the most dedicated and hard working vegans I know now.

 

I went vegetarian when I was in 6th form at school and being accused of being a hypocrite by my classmates who were doing dissection (I was not doing biology myself so did not get put in the position of standing up and refusing to dissect). I told them how sick it was killing animals just so you can cut them up when you can study books and models instead. I asked them why they didn't refuse to do it because it was cruel, and I said I would have definitely refused to take part, so they told me I was a hypocrite for eating meat if I thought it was wrong to kill animals, so I blurted out this is the last time I eat meat because I cannot argue with that. And I knew I had to stick to it or be a complete fake! Thankfully it was not hard because my mum was supportive, and I was ready to make the commitment to be veggie. So while it was not exactly a bet, I definitely found being challenged by meat-eaters to be consistent gave me the push to do it. I cannot respect someone who is a total hypocrite so I decided they would more likely take notice of what I had to say on cruelty to animals if I lived by what I believed.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

John Davis [mcxg46]29 December 2004 11:04 ; pinkspanna6Subject: RE: (unknown)

Hi Anna,

 

I'm not sure it sounds bad that you became a vegetarian for a bet. Not many people would have been even willing to try. Besides, it makes for a more interesting story than most!

 

 

> 14. I just need some advice on veganism really.

> There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

What do you want to know?!

 

If you're after general information, there are a bunch of websites out there. The Vegan Society site has a lot of information on all aspects of veganism: www.vegansociety.com. Or for a less overwhelming overview, try www.vegan-info.com. This also has a lively vegan discussion list you can join, and a mentor scheme where they match you up with someone who will help you with becoming a vegan.

 

Other than that, if you've any questions at all, just ask - either on the list, or feel free to email me directly

 

All the best,

 

John

 

 

 

 

Anna Midgley [pinkspanna6]26 December 2004 22:25 Subject: (unknown)

 

Hey!

Just thought I'd reply to the questions you sent me!

 

1. My name is Anna Midgley, better known as Spanna.

 

2. I'm 18 years old, soon to be 19 in January.

 

3. I'm sad to say that I only know one vegan, who is very strict about his food, clothing etc. and only two vegetarians who are a bit rubbish. They still have Sunday roast because they'd miss their roast chicken if they didn't.

 

4. I'm not actually a vegan yet, which is kind of why I've signed up to this, because I needed help with it. I have been vegetarian for, what will be 6 years, in January.

 

5. I'm a vegetarian because I believe that it's wrong for any animal to suffer unnecessarily. It is unnecessary because I don't need meat, most people don't need meat, to live and I've come to believe that things such as milk, cheese and other such products are also unnecessary. This sounds really bad but I actually started vegetarianism as a bet that I couldn't last without meat for a week and I just wanted to see how long I could carry it on for. It has become very much an ethical thing for me now and I'd rather chew off my own arm than have to eat meat.

 

6. I live in the South East of England in Kent. Ramsgate, if we're going to be picky.

 

7. The area is absolutely appalling for vegetarian and vegan food. I'm only aware of one vegetarian restaurant and it's called 'The Hippo Cafe' and it still caters for meat-eaters, so as your trying to tuck into your animal friendly meal you can still smell another person's bacon sarnie cooking. As for clothing there's absolutely nothing, mainly lack of information but still partially down to ignorance.

 

8. I don't have a favourite bean. Butter beans are alright but I can't stand lentils, pulses or anything like that. It's probably just down to not being shown how to make them up properly, ignorance basically.

 

9. My favourite place ever is South East Asia, Thailand and Cambodia. They're absolutely mind blowing places.

 

10. My favourite type of film is comedy, anything that makes me laugh my a**e off basically.

 

11. The last meal I ate was Linda McCartney sausages and mash with vegetarian gravy. Yum.

 

12. I'm definitely a night person, I get really groggy if I have to wake up before midday.

 

13. I found out about this site through scouring the net for help on veganism.

 

14. I just need some advice on veganism really. There's alot I need to know before I dive in and fail miserably at it. S.O.S!!!

 

 

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