Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2006 harley wrote: > oh and frozen durian is schwag compared to the real deal in asia. i > dont buy frozen myself anymore. but i > used to eat 2 40 lb boxes a week of frozen. then i went to thailand > during peak durian season.... > > life is different after fresh durian!!!!!!!!!!!! > I know. When is the peak durian season? Helen > > _ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 Glad to hear that you can move back home to work, back in the warmth? No new year plans sorry, I`m sooooooooooo boring. Apart from servicing my car that is.........once I hire a skip and clear out my garage. The Valleuy Vegan............flower child <zurumato wrote: i am in new york,it is cold here. but no snow so far.it gets dark here at 4:30. i can understand how people here get the winter blues.as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go back in two weeks.there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. vegan cakes and other foods. I forgot how annoying family members are. i should live in a cabin in the woodswhat are the new year plans for people? if any. -anoukPeter H All new Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html >flower child <zurumato >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > > (unknown) > >i am in new york, >it is cold here. >but no snow so far. >it gets dark here at 4:30. >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go >back in two weeks. >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >vegan cakes and other foods. >I forgot how annoying family members are. >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >-anouk > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 hi anouk, i'm in southern indiana in the woods. it's warm and sunny here like a spring day. i've even seen a few moths, and my baby mimosa tree is starting to sprout. I love winter. looking and hoping for snow but nothing yet. very bizarre weather. if we don't get at least a few days' worth of near-zero temps, the ticks and fleas will take over next summer. t and I are going to a couple of jams on NYE. we play in a band and most of our friends are musicians--lots of fun. One is even a vegan! On NYD, we're going to hang out with the dawgs, drink wine, and maybe go mud skiing if it rains. Are you doing anything special? Carolyn - flower child Friday, December 22, 2006 4:43 PM (unknown) i am in new york,it is cold here. but no snow so far.it gets dark here at 4:30. i can understand how people here get the winter blues.as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go back in two weeks.there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. vegan cakes and other foods. I forgot how annoying family members are. i should live in a cabin in the woodswhat are the new year plans for people? if any. -anouk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 I know what you mean about the winter blues. I used to live in Anchorage, Alaska, where there is about one hour of daylight during the winter. Alaska is such a gorgeously beautiful place, but you can't see it for half the year! I miss the changing seasons and the snow. But now that I'm a grown up I don't think I could handle having to get up early in the morning to shovel my car out from under the snow before going to work. peace, sharon > " flower child " <zurumato > > > (unknown) >Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:43:26 -0000 > >i am in new york, >it is cold here. >but no snow so far. >it gets dark here at 4:30. >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go >back in two weeks. >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >vegan cakes and other foods. >I forgot how annoying family members are. >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >-anouk > _______________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 I like to stay home for new year's and avoid the partying people on the road. It's my birthday as well. It's a good day to spend with the people (and dogs) I love the most before they all fly off out of the nest. peace, sharon > " flower child " <zurumato > > > (unknown) >Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:43:26 -0000 > >i am in new york, >it is cold here. >but no snow so far. >it gets dark here at 4:30. >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go >back in two weeks. >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >vegan cakes and other foods. >I forgot how annoying family members are. >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >-anouk > _______________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine\ -windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2006 The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you ever go to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band and going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in a long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago my daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I took her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! peace, sharon >fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >Re: (unknown) >Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows > >http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > > > > > >flower child <zurumato > >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > > > > (unknown) > > > >i am in new york, > >it is cold here. > >but no snow so far. > >it gets dark here at 4:30. > >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go > >back in two weeks. > >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > >vegan cakes and other foods. > >I forgot how annoying family members are. > >i should live in a cabin in the woods > > > >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > > > >-anouk > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 25, 2006 HiAnouk It is dark here at that time too. I think getting the winter blues depends on whether or not you like winter though. I prefer lighter evenings, but winter has its own charms. We haven't had snow either - I don't think we will get any this year. Jo - " flower child " <zurumato Friday, December 22, 2006 9:43 PM (unknown) > i am in new york, > it is cold here. > but no snow so far. > it gets dark here at 4:30. > i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go > back in two weeks. > there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > vegan cakes and other foods. > I forgot how annoying family members are. > i should live in a cabin in the woods > > what are the new year plans for people? if any. > > -anouk > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2006 me? mongolian throat singers umm... punk and some punk and then punk an aside when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's, every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it " Gilman " i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes slightly a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said nowadays, i get " Gilmans " eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a short period of time the Pound.. i'm glad its closed i loathed that place sorry went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years i could complain about that place fer days fraggle >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > >Re: (unknown) > >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you ever go >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band and >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in a >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago my >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I took >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > >peace, >sharon > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html >> >> >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM >> > >> > (unknown) >> > >> >i am in new york, >> >it is cold here. >> >but no snow so far. >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will go >> >back in two weeks. >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >> >vegan cakes and other foods. >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods >> > >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. >> > >> >-anouk >> > >> > >> > >> >To send an email to - >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2006 Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no seats, and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find your car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going there. Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style. Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new one that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a screamer peace, sharon >fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >Re: (unknown) >Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >me? >mongolian throat singers > >umm... >punk >and some punk >and then punk > > >an aside >when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's, >every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street >when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it " Gilman " >i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes >slightly >a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said >nowadays, i get " Gilmans " >eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a short >period of time > > >the Pound.. >i'm glad its closed >i loathed that place >sorry >went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years >i could complain about that place fer days > >fraggle > > > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > > > >Re: (unknown) > > > >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you ever >go > >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band >and > >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in a > >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago my > >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I >took > >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > > > >peace, > >sharon > > > > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > >> > >> > >>Re: (unknown) > >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> > >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows > >> > >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >flower child <zurumato > >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > >> > > >> > (unknown) > >> > > >> >i am in new york, > >> >it is cold here. > >> >but no snow so far. > >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. > >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will >go > >> >back in two weeks. > >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > >> >vegan cakes and other foods. > >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. > >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >> > > >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >> > > >> >-anouk > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >To send an email to - > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2006 nah...seats have nuthin to do with it wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a show! heh 1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to 2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that attitude..not my style 3. it cost too much for shows 4. their beer lines were invariably dirty 5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one of being in a tin can in a closet... 6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... case in point i roaded for a friend's band there one night 4 bands played each band got a drink ticket not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge show for the pound, but not bad either... and, one band got paid $60 one got $10 the other two got nuthin the show was $10 to get in..... i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they were begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together understandble they show up..headline.... and, get a 6 pack of beer..... hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like crap.... not a good way to run a business... *shrug* fraggle >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM > >Re: (unknown) > >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no seats, >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find your >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? > >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going there. > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style. > >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new one >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a >screamer > >peace, >sharon > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> >>me? >>mongolian throat singers >> >>umm... >>punk >>and some punk >>and then punk >> >> >>an aside >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's, >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it " Gilman " >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes >>slightly >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a short >>period of time >> >> >>the Pound.. >>i'm glad its closed >>i loathed that place >>sorry >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years >>i could complain about that place fer days >> >>fraggle >> >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM >> > >> >Re: (unknown) >> > >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you ever >>go >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band >>and >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in a >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago my >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I >>took >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! >> > >> >peace, >> >sharon >> > >> > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx >> >> >> >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> >> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows >> >> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM >> >> > >> >> > (unknown) >> >> > >> >> >i am in new york, >> >> >it is cold here. >> >> >but no snow so far. >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will >>go >> >> >back in two weeks. >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods >> >> > >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. >> >> > >> >> >-anouk >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >To send an email to - >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2006 Ah, reminds me of my band playing days, gettin ripped, and accepting gigs with half hour to go due to no show bands, carrying in gear while ducking under flying glasses/chairs etc.............ah fond memories, and we still went back and did it again......... Valley boys eh........ The Valley Vegan..............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: nah...seats have nuthin to do with itwouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a show!heh1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that attitude..not my style3. it cost too much for shows4. their beer lines were invariably dirty5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one of being in a tin can in a closet...6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les...case in pointi roaded for a friend's band there one night4 bands playedeach band got a drink ticketnot one ticket per member...but one drink ticket....at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge show for the pound, but not bad either...and, one band got paid $60one got $10the other two got nuthinthe show was $10 to get in.....i heard that story repeated, ad naseum...er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they were begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club...they were promised "a little bit of money, and two cases of beer"ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown togetherunderstandblethey show up..headline....and, get a 6 pack of beer.....hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst....they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like crap....not a good way to run a business...*shrug*fraggle>Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM> >Re: (unknown)>>Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no seats, >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find your >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper?>>My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going there. > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style.>>Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new one >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a >screamer>>peace,>sharon>>>>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>>> >> >>Re: (unknown)>>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)>>>>me?>>mongolian throat singers>>>>umm...>>punk>>and some punk>>and then punk>>>>>>an aside>>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's, >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street>>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it "Gilman">>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes >>slightly>>a few years ago, i started hearing it called "The Gilman" as you said>>nowadays, i get "Gilmans">>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a short >>period of time>>>>>>the Pound..>>i'm glad its closed>>i loathed that place>>sorry>>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years>>i could complain about that place fer days>>>>fraggle>>>>>> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM>> > >> >Re: (unknown)>> >>> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you ever >>go>> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band >>and>> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in a>> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago my>> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I >>took>> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it!>> >>> >peace,>> >sharon>> >>> >>> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>>> >> >> >> >> >>Re: (unknown)>> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00)>> >>>> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows>> >>>> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >flower child <zurumato (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>>> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM>> >> > >> >> > (unknown)>> >> >>> >> >i am in new york,>> >> >it is cold here.>> >> >but no snow so far.>> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30.>> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues.>> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i will >>go>> >> >back in two weeks.>> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up.>> >> >vegan cakes and other foods.>> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are.>> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods>> >> >>> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any.>> >> >>> >> >-anouk>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >To send an email to - >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the bands series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing is that they never got any of the things that were promised. Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure what metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, Chiodos, Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping thing instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local scene? peace, sharon >fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >Re: (unknown) >Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >nah...seats have nuthin to do with it >wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a >show! >heh > >1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to >2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that attitude..not >my style >3. it cost too much for shows >4. their beer lines were invariably dirty >5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a >supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one >of being in a tin can in a closet... >6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... > case in point > i roaded for a friend's band there one night > 4 bands played >each band got a drink ticket >not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... >at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge >show for the pound, but not bad either... >and, one band got paid $60 >one got $10 >the other two got nuthin >the show was $10 to get in..... > >i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... >er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they were >begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... >they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " >ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together >understandble >they show up..headline.... >and, get a 6 pack of beer..... >hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... > >they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like >crap.... >not a good way to run a business... >*shrug* > >fraggle > > > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM > > > >Re: (unknown) > > > >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no >seats, > >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find >your > >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? > > > >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going >there. > > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style. > > > >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd > >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my > >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new one > >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a > >screamer > > > >peace, > >sharon > > > > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > >> > >> > >>Re: (unknown) > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> > >>me? > >>mongolian throat singers > >> > >>umm... > >>punk > >>and some punk > >>and then punk > >> > >> > >>an aside > >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's, > >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street > >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it > " Gilman " > >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes > >>slightly > >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said > >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " > >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a >short > >>period of time > >> > >> > >>the Pound.. > >>i'm glad its closed > >>i loathed that place > >>sorry > >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years > >>i could complain about that place fer days > >> > >>fraggle > >> > >> > >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > >> > > >> >Re: (unknown) > >> > > >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you >ever > >>go > >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band > >>and > >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in >a > >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago >my > >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I > >>took > >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > >> > > >> >peace, > >> >sharon > >> > > >> > > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Re: (unknown) > >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> >> > >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows > >> >> > >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >flower child <zurumato > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > >> >> > > >> >> > (unknown) > >> >> > > >> >> >i am in new york, > >> >> >it is cold here. > >> >> >but no snow so far. > >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. > >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i >will > >>go > >> >> >back in two weeks. > >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. > >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. > >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >> >> > > >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >> >> > > >> >> >-anouk > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >To send an email to >- > >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 ah... those are emo/screamo bands (at least a couple of them) Jo and Peter can give you a more concrete description of metal, but, there are a million and one genres of that style of rock music ...heavy metal is a varied rock based musical sound that is generally heavy on the guitars and drums black metal, 70's traditional metal, death metal, thrash(punk crossover), grindcore(similar), prog metal, power metal, glam metal, etc and so forth.... me?..local bands... *deep breathe* strychnine, everything must go, la plebe, attack disarm takeover, reducers SF, nuts and bolts, jesus f*cking christ, verbal abuse, strung up, dekoiz, fabulous disaster, eskapo, double d's, boweltones, phenomanauts, whiskey rebels, western addiction, instant *sshole, malnourisehed...etc and so forth..local bands around at the moment... fraggle >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >Dec 26, 2006 6:48 PM > >Re: (unknown) > >Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the bands >series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands >competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing is >that they never got any of the things that were promised. > >Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure what >metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, Chiodos, >Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping thing >instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local scene? > >peace, >sharon > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> >>nah...seats have nuthin to do with it >>wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a >>show! >>heh >> >>1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to >>2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that attitude..not >>my style >>3. it cost too much for shows >>4. their beer lines were invariably dirty >>5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a >>supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one >>of being in a tin can in a closet... >>6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... >> case in point >> i roaded for a friend's band there one night >> 4 bands played >>each band got a drink ticket >>not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... >>at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge >>show for the pound, but not bad either... >>and, one band got paid $60 >>one got $10 >>the other two got nuthin >>the show was $10 to get in..... >> >>i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... >>er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they were >>begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... >>they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " >>ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together >>understandble >>they show up..headline.... >>and, get a 6 pack of beer..... >>hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... >> >>they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like >>crap.... >>not a good way to run a business... >>*shrug* >> >>fraggle >> >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >> >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM >> > >> >Re: (unknown) >> > >> >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no >>seats, >> >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find >>your >> >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? >> > >> >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going >>there. >> > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style. >> > >> >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd >> >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my >> >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new one >> >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a >> >screamer >> > >> >peace, >> >sharon >> > >> > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx >> >> >> >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >> >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> >> >> >>me? >> >>mongolian throat singers >> >> >> >>umm... >> >>punk >> >>and some punk >> >>and then punk >> >> >> >> >> >>an aside >> >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's, >> >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street >> >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it >> " Gilman " >> >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes >> >>slightly >> >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said >> >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " >> >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a >>short >> >>period of time >> >> >> >> >> >>the Pound.. >> >>i'm glad its closed >> >>i loathed that place >> >>sorry >> >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years >> >>i could complain about that place fer days >> >> >> >>fraggle >> >> >> >> >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM >> >> > >> >> >Re: (unknown) >> >> > >> >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you >>ever >> >>go >> >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band >> >>and >> >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in >>a >> >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago >>my >> >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I >> >>took >> >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! >> >> > >> >> >peace, >> >> >sharon >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >> >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> >> >> >> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows >> >> >> >> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato >> >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM >> >> >> > >> >> >> > (unknown) >> >> >> > >> >> >> >i am in new york, >> >> >> >it is cold here. >> >> >> >but no snow so far. >> >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. >> >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >> >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i >>will >> >>go >> >> >> >back in two weeks. >> >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >> >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. >> >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. >> >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods >> >> >> > >> >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >-anouk >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >To send an email to >>- >> >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 I guess that the classification ( dont you just love pidgeon holes ) of hardcore would probably mean different things to different people. I would think that bands such as Hatebreed would fit that category, but others might disagree? The Valley Vegan..............Sharon Murch <grace4compassion wrote: Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the bands series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing is that they never got any of the things that were promised.Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure what metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, Chiodos, Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping thing instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local scene?peace,sharon>fraggle > > >Re: (unknown)>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)>>nah...seats have nuthin to do with it>wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a >show!>heh>>1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to>2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that attitude..not >my style>3. it cost too much for shows>4. their beer lines were invariably dirty>5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a >supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one >of being in a tin can in a closet...>6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les...> case in point> i roaded for a friend's band there one night> 4 bands played>each band got a drink ticket>not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket....>at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge >show for the pound, but not bad either...>and, one band got paid $60>one got $10>the other two got nuthin>the show was $10 to get in.....>>i heard that story repeated, ad naseum...>er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they were >begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club...>they were promised "a little bit of money, and two cases of beer">ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together>understandble>they show up..headline....>and, get a 6 pack of beer.....>hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst....>>they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like >crap....>not a good way to run a business...>*shrug*>>fraggle>>> >Sharon Murch > >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM> > > >Re: (unknown)> >> >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no >seats,> >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find >your> >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper?> >> >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going >there.> > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style.> >> >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd> >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my> >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new one> >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a> >screamer> >> >peace,> >sharon> >> >> >>fraggle > >> > >> > >>Re: (unknown)> >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> >>> >>me?> >>mongolian throat singers> >>> >>umm...> >>punk> >>and some punk> >>and then punk> >>> >>> >>an aside> >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late 80's,> >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street> >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it >"Gilman"> >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes> >>slightly> >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called "The Gilman" as you said> >>nowadays, i get "Gilmans"> >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a >short> >>period of time> >>> >>> >>the Pound..> >>i'm glad its closed> >>i loathed that place> >>sorry> >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years> >>i could complain about that place fer days> >>> >>fraggle> >>> >>> >> >Sharon Murch > >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM> >> > > >> >Re: (unknown)> >> >> >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you >ever> >>go> >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore band> >>and> >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows in >a> >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago >my> >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and I> >>took> >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it!> >> >> >> >peace,> >> >sharon> >> >> >> >> >> >> fraggle > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Re: (unknown)> >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> >> >>> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman shows> >> >>> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >flower child > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM> >> >> > > >> >> > (unknown)> >> >> >> >> >> >i am in new york,> >> >> >it is cold here.> >> >> >but no snow so far.> >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30.> >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues.> >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i >will> >>go> >> >> >back in two weeks.> >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up.> >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods.> >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are.> >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods> >> >> >> >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any.> >> >> >> >> >> >-anouk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >To send an email to >- > >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 Well, I think all the music is good ... metal, hardcore, punk. Really, I have a hard time differentiating the lines between the music genres. I actually notice more difference in the audiences. I know the bands classifying themselves as " hardcore " actually have the tamest audiences. They jump in and two-step or windmill for a few seconds, then move out and other people move in. I don't like the shoving and pushing crowds. I'm the mom, you know, and I only really get to go when I take kids and I feel responsible for getting them home in one piece. peace, sharon >fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >Re: (unknown) >Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:42:13 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >ah... >those are emo/screamo bands (at least a couple of them) >Jo and Peter can give you a more concrete description of metal, but, there >are a million and one genres of that style of rock music ...heavy metal is >a varied rock based musical sound that is generally heavy on the guitars >and drums >black metal, 70's traditional metal, death metal, thrash(punk crossover), >grindcore(similar), prog metal, power metal, glam metal, etc and so >forth.... > >me?..local bands... >*deep breathe* >strychnine, everything must go, la plebe, attack disarm takeover, reducers >SF, nuts and bolts, jesus f*cking christ, verbal abuse, strung up, dekoiz, >fabulous disaster, eskapo, double d's, boweltones, phenomanauts, whiskey >rebels, western addiction, instant *sshole, malnourisehed...etc and so >forth..local bands around at the moment... > >fraggle > > > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >Dec 26, 2006 6:48 PM > > > >Re: (unknown) > > > >Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the >bands > >series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands > >competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing >is > >that they never got any of the things that were promised. > > > >Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure >what > >metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, >Chiodos, > >Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping >thing > >instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local >scene? > > > >peace, > >sharon > > > > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > >> > >> > >>Re: (unknown) > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> > >>nah...seats have nuthin to do with it > >>wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a > >>show! > >>heh > >> > >>1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to > >>2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that >attitude..not > >>my style > >>3. it cost too much for shows > >>4. their beer lines were invariably dirty > >>5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a > >>supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind >one > >>of being in a tin can in a closet... > >>6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... > >> case in point > >> i roaded for a friend's band there one night > >> 4 bands played > >>each band got a drink ticket > >>not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... > >>at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge > >>show for the pound, but not bad either... > >>and, one band got paid $60 > >>one got $10 > >>the other two got nuthin > >>the show was $10 to get in..... > >> > >>i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... > >>er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they >were > >>begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... > >>they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " > >>ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together > >>understandble > >>they show up..headline.... > >>and, get a 6 pack of beer..... > >>hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... > >> > >>they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like > >>crap.... > >>not a good way to run a business... > >>*shrug* > >> > >>fraggle > >> > >> > >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >> >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM > >> > > >> >Re: (unknown) > >> > > >> >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no > >>seats, > >> >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find > >>your > >> >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? > >> > > >> >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going > >>there. > >> > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their >style. > >> > > >> >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, >I'd > >> >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not >my > >> >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new >one > >> >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a > >> >screamer > >> > > >> >peace, > >> >sharon > >> > > >> > > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Re: (unknown) > >> >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> >> > >> >>me? > >> >>mongolian throat singers > >> >> > >> >>umm... > >> >>punk > >> >>and some punk > >> >>and then punk > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>an aside > >> >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late >80's, > >> >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street > >> >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it > >> " Gilman " > >> >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name >changes > >> >>slightly > >> >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said > >> >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " > >> >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a > >>short > >> >>period of time > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>the Pound.. > >> >>i'm glad its closed > >> >>i loathed that place > >> >>sorry > >> >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years > >> >>i could complain about that place fer days > >> >> > >> >>fraggle > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > >> >> > > >> >> >Re: (unknown) > >> >> > > >> >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did >you > >>ever > >> >>go > >> >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore >band > >> >>and > >> >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows >in > >>a > >> >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks >ago > >>my > >> >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and >I > >> >>took > >> >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > >> >> > > >> >> >peace, > >> >> >sharon > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Re: (unknown) > >> >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> >> >> > >> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman >shows > >> >> >> > >> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato > >> >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > (unknown) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >i am in new york, > >> >> >> >it is cold here. > >> >> >> >but no snow so far. > >> >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. > >> >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > >> >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i > >>will > >> >>go > >> >> >> >back in two weeks. > >> >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > >> >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. > >> >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. > >> >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >-anouk > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >To send an email to > >>- > >> >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 I don't know Hatebreed. I think a unifying thread in those currently calling themselves hardcore is playing breakdowns, but I dunno for sure. My son told me to buy the DVD " American Hardcore " and it will answer all my questions. I think actually he just wants it for himself... peace, sharon >peter VV <swpgh01 > > >Re: (unknown) >Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:18:22 +0000 (GMT) > >I guess that the classification ( dont you just love pidgeon holes ) of >hardcore would probably mean different things to different people. I would >think that bands such as Hatebreed would fit that category, but others >might disagree? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion wrote: > Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the >bands >series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands >competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing is >that they never got any of the things that were promised. > >Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure what >metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, Chiodos, >Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping thing >instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local scene? > >peace, >sharon > > > >fraggle > > > > > >Re: (unknown) > >Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > > >nah...seats have nuthin to do with it > >wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a > >show! > >heh > > > >1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to > >2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that >attitude..not > >my style > >3. it cost too much for shows > >4. their beer lines were invariably dirty > >5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a > >supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one > >of being in a tin can in a closet... > >6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... > > case in point > > i roaded for a friend's band there one night > > 4 bands played > >each band got a drink ticket > >not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... > >at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge > >show for the pound, but not bad either... > >and, one band got paid $60 > >one got $10 > >the other two got nuthin > >the show was $10 to get in..... > > > >i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... > >er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they >were > >begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... > >they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " > >ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together > >understandble > >they show up..headline.... > >and, get a 6 pack of beer..... > >hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... > > > >they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like > >crap.... > >not a good way to run a business... > >*shrug* > > > >fraggle > > > > > > >Sharon Murch > > >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM > > > > > >Re: (unknown) > > > > > >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no > >seats, > > >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find > >your > > >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? > > > > > >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going > >there. > > > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style. > > > > > >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd > > >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my > > >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new >one > > >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a > > >screamer > > > > > >peace, > > >sharon > > > > > > > > >>fraggle > > >> > > >> > > >>Re: (unknown) > > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > >> > > >>me? > > >>mongolian throat singers > > >> > > >>umm... > > >>punk > > >>and some punk > > >>and then punk > > >> > > >> > > >>an aside > > >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late >80's, > > >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street > > >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it > > " Gilman " > > >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes > > >>slightly > > >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said > > >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " > > >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a > >short > > >>period of time > > >> > > >> > > >>the Pound.. > > >>i'm glad its closed > > >>i loathed that place > > >>sorry > > >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years > > >>i could complain about that place fer days > > >> > > >>fraggle > > >> > > >> > > >> >Sharon Murch > > >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > > >> > > > >> >Re: (unknown) > > >> > > > >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you > >ever > > >>go > > >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore >band > > >>and > > >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows >in > >a > > >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago > >my > > >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and >I > > >>took > > >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > > >> > > > >> >peace, > > >> >sharon > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>fraggle > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>Re: (unknown) > > >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > >> >> > > >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman >shows > > >> >> > > >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >flower child > > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > > >> >> > > > >> >> > (unknown) > > >> >> > > > >> >> >i am in new york, > > >> >> >it is cold here. > > >> >> >but no snow so far. > > >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. > > >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > > >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i > >will > > >>go > > >> >> >back in two weeks. > > >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > > >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. > > >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. > > >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods > > >> >> > > > >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >-anouk > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >To send an email to > >- > > >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 ugh... ok..have to dsay it that movies a piece of trash 1. for your purposes, its a different style of hardcore... it means the style of punk i know and lived.... what they call hardcore is a different style entirely 2. like the book, the author is a self serving ego-maniac 3. while the movie gives some good band background, its HORRIBLY limited, and only deals with the authors small group/what he knows..and once he left " punk " , then punk died...its a joke really i literally got all of 20 pages into the book the first time i tried reading it before i tossed it across the room in disgust hahahahahah you've been warned.... cheers fraggle >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >Dec 27, 2006 1:22 PM > >Re: (unknown) > >I don't know Hatebreed. I think a unifying thread in those currently >calling themselves hardcore is playing breakdowns, but I dunno for sure. My >son told me to buy the DVD " American Hardcore " and it will answer all my >questions. I think actually he just wants it for himself... > >peace, >sharon > > >>peter VV <swpgh01 >> >> >>Re: (unknown) >>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:18:22 +0000 (GMT) >> >>I guess that the classification ( dont you just love pidgeon holes ) of >>hardcore would probably mean different things to different people. I would >>think that bands such as Hatebreed would fit that category, but others >>might disagree? >> >> The Valley Vegan.............. >> >>Sharon Murch <grace4compassion wrote: >> Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the >>bands >>series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands >>competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing is >>that they never got any of the things that were promised. >> >>Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure what >>metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, Chiodos, >>Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping thing >>instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local scene? >> >>peace, >>sharon >> >> >> >fraggle >> > >> > >> >Re: (unknown) >> >Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> > >> >nah...seats have nuthin to do with it >> >wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a >> >show! >> >heh >> > >> >1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to >> >2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that >>attitude..not >> >my style >> >3. it cost too much for shows >> >4. their beer lines were invariably dirty >> >5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a >> >supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind one >> >of being in a tin can in a closet... >> >6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... >> > case in point >> > i roaded for a friend's band there one night >> > 4 bands played >> >each band got a drink ticket >> >not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... >> >at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge >> >show for the pound, but not bad either... >> >and, one band got paid $60 >> >one got $10 >> >the other two got nuthin >> >the show was $10 to get in..... >> > >> >i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... >> >er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they >>were >> >begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... >> >they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " >> >ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together >> >understandble >> >they show up..headline.... >> >and, get a 6 pack of beer..... >> >hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... >> > >> >they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like >> >crap.... >> >not a good way to run a business... >> >*shrug* >> > >> >fraggle >> > >> > >> > >Sharon Murch >> > >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM >> > > >> > >Re: (unknown) >> > > >> > >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no >> >seats, >> > >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find >> >your >> > >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? >> > > >> > >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going >> >there. >> > > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their style. >> > > >> > >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, I'd >> > >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not my >> > >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new >>one >> > >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a >> > >screamer >> > > >> > >peace, >> > >sharon >> > > >> > > >> > >>fraggle >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>Re: (unknown) >> > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> > >> >> > >>me? >> > >>mongolian throat singers >> > >> >> > >>umm... >> > >>punk >> > >>and some punk >> > >>and then punk >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>an aside >> > >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late >>80's, >> > >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street >> > >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it >> > " Gilman " >> > >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name changes >> > >>slightly >> > >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said >> > >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " >> > >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a >> >short >> > >>period of time >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>the Pound.. >> > >>i'm glad its closed >> > >>i loathed that place >> > >>sorry >> > >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years >> > >>i could complain about that place fer days >> > >> >> > >>fraggle >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >Sharon Murch >> > >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM >> > >> > >> > >> >Re: (unknown) >> > >> > >> > >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did you >> >ever >> > >>go >> > >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore >>band >> > >>and >> > >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows >>in >> >a >> > >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks ago >> >my >> > >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and >>I >> > >>took >> > >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! >> > >> > >> > >> >peace, >> > >> >sharon >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>fraggle >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>Re: (unknown) >> > >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >> > >> >> >> > >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman >>shows >> > >> >> >> > >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >flower child >> > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > (unknown) >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >i am in new york, >> > >> >> >it is cold here. >> > >> >> >but no snow so far. >> > >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. >> > >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. >> > >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i >> >will >> > >>go >> > >> >> >back in two weeks. >> > >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. >> > >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. >> > >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. >> > >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >-anouk >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >To send an email to >> >- >> > >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 Thanks for the warning, but I ordered it already. I think there is some music on there my son is interested in having. But that's basically what Robbie said ... that it has evolved over the years, and what was once hardcore is now punk, what was once metal is now hardcore, or whatever. Yeah, it is so much easier for me because I don't know enough to be able to compartmentalize it! peace, sharon >fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >Re: (unknown) >Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:58:41 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >ugh... >ok..have to dsay it >that movies a piece of trash >1. for your purposes, its a different style of hardcore... > it means the style of punk i know and lived.... > what they call hardcore is a different style entirely >2. like the book, the author is a self serving ego-maniac >3. while the movie gives some good band background, its HORRIBLY limited, >and only deals with the authors small group/what he knows..and once he left > " punk " , then punk died...its a joke really >i literally got all of 20 pages into the book the first time i tried >reading it before i tossed it across the room in disgust >hahahahahah >you've been warned.... > >cheers >fraggle > > > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > >Dec 27, 2006 1:22 PM > > > >Re: (unknown) > > > >I don't know Hatebreed. I think a unifying thread in those currently > >calling themselves hardcore is playing breakdowns, but I dunno for sure. >My > >son told me to buy the DVD " American Hardcore " and it will answer all my > >questions. I think actually he just wants it for himself... > > > >peace, > >sharon > > > > > >>peter VV <swpgh01 > >> > >> > >>Re: (unknown) > >>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:18:22 +0000 (GMT) > >> > >>I guess that the classification ( dont you just love pidgeon holes ) of > >>hardcore would probably mean different things to different people. I >would > >>think that bands such as Hatebreed would fit that category, but others > >>might disagree? > >> > >> The Valley Vegan.............. > >> > >>Sharon Murch <grace4compassion wrote: > >> Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the > >>bands > >>series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands > >>competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing >is > >>that they never got any of the things that were promised. > >> > >>Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure >what > >>metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, >Chiodos, > >>Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping >thing > >>instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local >scene? > >> > >>peace, > >>sharon > >> > >> > >> >fraggle > >> > > >> > > >> >Re: (unknown) > >> >Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> > > >> >nah...seats have nuthin to do with it > >> >wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a > >> >show! > >> >heh > >> > > >> >1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to > >> >2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that > >>attitude..not > >> >my style > >> >3. it cost too much for shows > >> >4. their beer lines were invariably dirty > >> >5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a > >> >supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind >one > >> >of being in a tin can in a closet... > >> >6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... > >> > case in point > >> > i roaded for a friend's band there one night > >> > 4 bands played > >> >each band got a drink ticket > >> >not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... > >> >at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a >huge > >> >show for the pound, but not bad either... > >> >and, one band got paid $60 > >> >one got $10 > >> >the other two got nuthin > >> >the show was $10 to get in..... > >> > > >> >i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... > >> >er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they > >>were > >> >begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... > >> >they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " > >> >ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together > >> >understandble > >> >they show up..headline.... > >> >and, get a 6 pack of beer..... > >> >hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... > >> > > >> >they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like > >> >crap.... > >> >not a good way to run a business... > >> >*shrug* > >> > > >> >fraggle > >> > > >> > > >> > >Sharon Murch > >> > >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM > >> > > > >> > >Re: (unknown) > >> > > > >> > >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually >no > >> >seats, > >> > >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you >find > >> >your > >> > >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? > >> > > > >> > >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started >going > >> >there. > >> > > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their >style. > >> > > > >> > >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, >I'd > >> > >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not >my > >> > >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a >new > >>one > >> > >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's >a > >> > >screamer > >> > > > >> > >peace, > >> > >sharon > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >>fraggle > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Re: (unknown) > >> > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> > >> > >> > >>me? > >> > >>mongolian throat singers > >> > >> > >> > >>umm... > >> > >>punk > >> > >>and some punk > >> > >>and then punk > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>an aside > >> > >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late > >>80's, > >> > >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street > >> > >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it > >> > " Gilman " > >> > >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name >changes > >> > >>slightly > >> > >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you >said > >> > >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " > >> > >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over >a > >> >short > >> > >>period of time > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>the Pound.. > >> > >>i'm glad its closed > >> > >>i loathed that place > >> > >>sorry > >> > >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years > >> > >>i could complain about that place fer days > >> > >> > >> > >>fraggle > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Sharon Murch > >> > >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Re: (unknown) > >> > >> > > >> > >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did >you > >> >ever > >> > >>go > >> > >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore > >>band > >> > >>and > >> > >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any >shows > >>in > >> >a > >> > >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks >ago > >> >my > >> > >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda >and > >>I > >> > >>took > >> > >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > >> > >> > > >> > >> >peace, > >> > >> >sharon > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>fraggle > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>Re: (unknown) > >> > >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman > >>shows > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >flower child > >> > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > (unknown) > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >i am in new york, > >> > >> >> >it is cold here. > >> > >> >> >but no snow so far. > >> > >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. > >> > >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > >> > >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so >i > >> >will > >> > >>go > >> > >> >> >back in two weeks. > >> > >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > >> > >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. > >> > >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. > >> > >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >-anouk > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> >To send an email to > >> >- > >> > >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2006 heh hardcore (as in the movie) is a subsect of punk it is a american version that started in the early 80's when bands started playing faster and more aggressive see black flag, circle jerks, bad brains, DOA, minor threat, and a billion other bands at that time hardcore then started to only be associated with a certain NY sound, which started with agnostic front, and eventaully morphed into a slower sound, but with harder guitar, and lots of downbeats what is called hardcore today is a much slower but harder style..closer to metal in a lot of respects...with a much different vocal style then early 80's hardcore punk.. personally, not my style, but..eh..wotever... >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion >Dec 27, 2006 2:14 PM > >Re: (unknown) > >Thanks for the warning, but I ordered it already. I think there is some >music on there my son is interested in having. But that's basically what >Robbie said ... that it has evolved over the years, and what was once >hardcore is now punk, what was once metal is now hardcore, or whatever. >Yeah, it is so much easier for me because I don't know enough to be able to >compartmentalize it! > >peace, >sharon > > What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 28, 2006 The most gentle crowds I have come across are the death metal crowds, strangely enough - then the prog metal. Jo - " Sharon Murch " <grace4compassion Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:19 PM Re: (unknown) > Well, I think all the music is good ... metal, hardcore, punk. Really, I > have a hard time differentiating the lines between the music genres. I > actually notice more difference in the audiences. I know the bands > classifying themselves as " hardcore " actually have the tamest audiences. > They jump in and two-step or windmill for a few seconds, then move out and > other people move in. I don't like the shoving and pushing crowds. I'm the > mom, you know, and I only really get to go when I take kids and I feel > responsible for getting them home in one piece. > > peace, > sharon > > > >fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > > > > >Re: (unknown) > >Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:42:13 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > > >ah... > >those are emo/screamo bands (at least a couple of them) > >Jo and Peter can give you a more concrete description of metal, but, there > >are a million and one genres of that style of rock music ...heavy metal is > >a varied rock based musical sound that is generally heavy on the guitars > >and drums > >black metal, 70's traditional metal, death metal, thrash(punk crossover), > >grindcore(similar), prog metal, power metal, glam metal, etc and so > >forth.... > > > >me?..local bands... > >*deep breathe* > >strychnine, everything must go, la plebe, attack disarm takeover, reducers > >SF, nuts and bolts, jesus f*cking christ, verbal abuse, strung up, dekoiz, > >fabulous disaster, eskapo, double d's, boweltones, phenomanauts, whiskey > >rebels, western addiction, instant *sshole, malnourisehed...etc and so > >forth..local bands around at the moment... > > > >fraggle > > > > > > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > > >Dec 26, 2006 6:48 PM > > > > > >Re: (unknown) > > > > > >Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the > >bands > > >series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots of bands > > >competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Only thing > >is > > >that they never got any of the things that were promised. > > > > > >Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure > >what > > >metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day, > >Chiodos, > > >Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping > >thing > > >instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local > >scene? > > > > > >peace, > > >sharon > > > > > > > > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >> > > >> > > >>Re: (unknown) > > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > >> > > >>nah...seats have nuthin to do with it > > >>wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a > > >>show! > > >>heh > > >> > > >>1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to > > >>2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that > >attitude..not > > >>my style > > >>3. it cost too much for shows > > >>4. their beer lines were invariably dirty > > >>5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a > > >>supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind > >one > > >>of being in a tin can in a closet... > > >>6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les... > > >> case in point > > >> i roaded for a friend's band there one night > > >> 4 bands played > > >>each band got a drink ticket > > >>not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket.... > > >>at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not a huge > > >>show for the pound, but not bad either... > > >>and, one band got paid $60 > > >>one got $10 > > >>the other two got nuthin > > >>the show was $10 to get in..... > > >> > > >>i heard that story repeated, ad naseum... > > >>er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they > >were > > >>begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club... > > >>they were promised " a little bit of money, and two cases of beer " > > >>ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together > > >>understandble > > >>they show up..headline.... > > >>and, get a 6 pack of beer..... > > >>hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst.... > > >> > > >>they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like > > >>crap.... > > >>not a good way to run a business... > > >>*shrug* > > >> > > >>fraggle > > >> > > >> > > >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > > >> >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM > > >> > > > >> >Re: (unknown) > > >> > > > >> >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtually no > > >>seats, > > >> >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help you find > > >>your > > >> >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper? > > >> > > > >> >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I started going > > >>there. > > >> > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their > >style. > > >> > > > >> >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course, > >I'd > > >> >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certain not > >my > > >> >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in a new > >one > > >> >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He's a > > >> >screamer > > >> > > > >> >peace, > > >> >sharon > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>Re: (unknown) > > >> >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > >> >> > > >> >>me? > > >> >>mongolian throat singers > > >> >> > > >> >>umm... > > >> >>punk > > >> >>and some punk > > >> >>and then punk > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>an aside > > >> >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late > >80's, > > >> >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street > > >> >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it > > >> " Gilman " > > >> >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name > >changes > > >> >>slightly > > >> >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called " The Gilman " as you said > > >> >>nowadays, i get " Gilmans " > > >> >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, over a > > >>short > > >> >>period of time > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>the Pound.. > > >> >>i'm glad its closed > > >> >>i loathed that place > > >> >>sorry > > >> >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years > > >> >>i could complain about that place fer days > > >> >> > > >> >>fraggle > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion > > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Re: (unknown) > > >> >> > > > >> >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did > >you > > >>ever > > >> >>go > > >> >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore > >band > > >> >>and > > >> >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to any shows > >in > > >>a > > >> >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks > >ago > > >>my > > >> >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alameda and > >I > > >> >>took > > >> >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it! > > >> >> > > > >> >> >peace, > > >> >> >sharon > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>Re: (unknown) > > >> >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman > >shows > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato > > >> >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > (unknown) > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >i am in new york, > > >> >> >> >it is cold here. > > >> >> >> >but no snow so far. > > >> >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30. > > >> >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues. > > >> >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. so i > > >>will > > >> >>go > > >> >> >> >back in two weeks. > > >> >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up. > > >> >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods. > > >> >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are. > > >> >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >-anouk > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >To send an email to > > >>- > > >> >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2006 Obviously in mourning! The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: The most gentle crowds I have come across are the death metal crowds,strangely enough - then the prog metal.Jo-"Sharon Murch" <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:19 PMRe: (unknown)> Well, I think all the music is good ... metal, hardcore, punk. Really, I> have a hard time differentiating the lines between the music genres. I> actually notice more difference in the audiences. I know the bands> classifying themselves as "hardcore" actually have the tamest audiences.> They jump in and two-step or windmill for a few seconds, then move out and> other people move in. I don't like the shoving and pushing crowds. I'mthe> mom, you know, and I only really get to go when I take kids and I feel> responsible for getting them home in one piece.>> peace,> sharon>>> >fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > > > > >Re: (unknown)> >Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:42:13 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> >> >ah...> >those are emo/screamo bands (at least a couple of them)> >Jo and Peter can give you a more concrete description of metal, but,there> >are a million and one genres of that style of rock music ...heavy metalis> >a varied rock based musical sound that is generally heavy on the guitars> >and drums> >black metal, 70's traditional metal, death metal, thrash(punk crossover),> >grindcore(similar), prog metal, power metal, glam metal, etc and so> >forth....> >> >me?..local bands...> >*deep breathe*> >strychnine, everything must go, la plebe, attack disarm takeover,reducers> >SF, nuts and bolts, jesus f*cking christ, verbal abuse, strung up,dekoiz,> >fabulous disaster, eskapo, double d's, boweltones, phenomanauts, whiskey> >rebels, western addiction, instant *sshole, malnourisehed...etc and so> >forth..local bands around at the moment...> >> >fraggle> >> >> > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > >Dec 26, 2006 6:48 PM> > > > > >Re: (unknown)> > >> > >Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the> >bands> > >series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots ofbands> > >competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Onlything> >is> > >that they never got any of the things that were promised.> > >> > >Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure> >what> > >metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day,> >Chiodos,> > >Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping> >thing> > >instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local> >scene?> > >> > >peace,> > >sharon> > >> > >> > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > >> > > >> > > >>Re: (unknown)> > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> > >>> > >>nah...seats have nuthin to do with it> > >>wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a> > >>show!> > >>heh> > >>> > >>1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to> > >>2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that> >attitude..not> > >>my style> > >>3. it cost too much for shows> > >>4. their beer lines were invariably dirty> > >>5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a> > >>supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind> >one> > >>of being in a tin can in a closet...> > >>6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les...> > >> case in point> > >> i roaded for a friend's band there one night> > >> 4 bands played> > >>each band got a drink ticket> > >>not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket....> > >>at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not ahuge> > >>show for the pound, but not bad either...> > >>and, one band got paid $60> > >>one got $10> > >>the other two got nuthin> > >>the show was $10 to get in.....> > >>> > >>i heard that story repeated, ad naseum...> > >>er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they> >were> > >>begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club...> > >>they were promised "a little bit of money, and two cases of beer"> > >>ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together> > >>understandble> > >>they show up..headline....> > >>and, get a 6 pack of beer.....> > >>hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst....> > >>> > >>they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like> > >>crap....> > >>not a good way to run a business...> > >>*shrug*> > >>> > >>fraggle> > >>> > >>> > >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > >> >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM> > >> > > > >> >Re: (unknown)> > >> >> > >> >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtuallyno> > >>seats,> > >> >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help youfind> > >>your> > >> >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper?> > >> >> > >> >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I startedgoing> > >>there.> > >> > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their> >style.> > >> >> > >> >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course,> >I'd> > >> >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certainnot> >my> > >> >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in anew> >one> > >> >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He'sa> > >> >screamer> > >> >> > >> >peace,> > >> >sharon> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>Re: (unknown)> > >> >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> > >> >>> > >> >>me?> > >> >>mongolian throat singers> > >> >>> > >> >>umm...> > >> >>punk> > >> >>and some punk> > >> >>and then punk> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>an aside> > >> >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late> >80's,> > >> >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street> > >> >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it> > >>"Gilman"> > >> >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name> >changes> > >> >>slightly> > >> >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called "The Gilman" as yousaid> > >> >>nowadays, i get "Gilmans"> > >> >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, overa> > >>short> > >> >>period of time> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>the Pound..> > >> >>i'm glad its closed> > >> >>i loathed that place> > >> >>sorry> > >> >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years> > >> >>i could complain about that place fer days> > >> >>> > >> >>fraggle> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM> > >> >> > > > >> >> >Re: (unknown)> > >> >> >> > >> >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did> >you> > >>ever> > >> >>go> > >> >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore> >band> > >> >>and> > >> >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to anyshows> >in> > >>a> > >> >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks> >ago> > >>my> > >> >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alamedaand> >I> > >> >>took> > >> >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it!> > >> >> >> > >> >> >peace,> > >> >> >sharon> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>Re: (unknown)> > >> >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman> >shows> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>> > >> >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > (unknown)> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >i am in new york,> > >> >> >> >it is cold here.> > >> >> >> >but no snow so far.> > >> >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30.> > >> >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues.> > >> >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. soi> > >>will> > >> >>go> > >> >> >> >back in two weeks.> > >> >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up.> > >> >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods.> > >> >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are.> > >> >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any.> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >-anouk> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >To send an email to> > >>- > > >> >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2006 Oooooooooh! Jo - peter VV Friday, December 29, 2006 6:21 PM Re: (unknown) Obviously in mourning! The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: The most gentle crowds I have come across are the death metal crowds,strangely enough - then the prog metal.Jo-"Sharon Murch" <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:19 PMRe: (unknown)> Well, I think all the music is good ... metal, hardcore, punk. Really, I> have a hard time differentiating the lines between the music genres. I> actually notice more difference in the audiences. I know the bands> classifying themselves as "hardcore" actually have the tamest audiences.> They jump in and two-step or windmill for a few seconds, then move out and> other people move in. I don't like the shoving and pushing crowds. I'mthe> mom, you know, and I only really get to go when I take kids and I feel> responsible for getting them home in one piece.>> peace,> sharon>>> >fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > > > > >Re: (unknown)> >Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:42:13 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> >> >ah...> >those are emo/screamo bands (at least a couple of them)> >Jo and Peter can give you a more concrete description of metal, but,there> >are a million and one genres of that style of rock music ...heavy metalis> >a varied rock based musical sound that is generally heavy on the guitars> >and drums> >black metal, 70's traditional metal, death metal, thrash(punk crossover),> >grindcore(similar), prog metal, power metal, glam metal, etc and so> >forth....> >> >me?..local bands...> >*deep breathe*> >strychnine, everything must go, la plebe, attack disarm takeover,reducers> >SF, nuts and bolts, jesus f*cking christ, verbal abuse, strung up,dekoiz,> >fabulous disaster, eskapo, double d's, boweltones, phenomanauts, whiskey> >rebels, western addiction, instant *sshole, malnourisehed...etc and so> >forth..local bands around at the moment...> >> >fraggle> >> >> > >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > >Dec 26, 2006 6:48 PM> > > > > >Re: (unknown)> > >> > >Well, my son's band didn't get paid. They were in the battle of the> >bands> > >series there. Started in the summer, ran through November, lots ofbands> > >competing over a number of weeks, and his band actually won. Onlything> >is> > >that they never got any of the things that were promised.> > >> > >Metal, hmm. Robbie's band classified itself as hardcore. I'm not sure> >what> > >metal exactly is, not to sound stupid. Do you know Haste the Day,> >Chiodos,> > >Still Remains? How about Underoath? The crowds do that two-stepping> >thing> > >instead of the thrashing, usually. So who do you like on the local> >scene?> > >> > >peace,> > >sharon> > >> > >> > >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > >> > > >> > > >>Re: (unknown)> > >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> > >>> > >>nah...seats have nuthin to do with it> > >>wouldn't know what to do with myself if i was suppose to sit down at a> > >>show!> > >>heh> > >>> > >>1. yes, pound was in the *ss end of nowhere, and impossible to get to> > >>2. it was a metal club (sorry jo and peter!), and it had that> >attitude..not> > >>my style> > >>3. it cost too much for shows> > >>4. their beer lines were invariably dirty> > >>5. while it was ok that it was basically the size and shape of a> > >>supermarket, it still doesn't excuse them for having the sound remind> >one> > >>of being in a tin can in a closet...> > >>6. they were, to put it bluntly, extreme *ssh*les...> > >> case in point> > >> i roaded for a friend's band there one night> > >> 4 bands played> > >>each band got a drink ticket> > >>not one ticket per member...but one drink ticket....> > >>at the end of the night, about 200 people had paid ot get in..not ahuge> > >>show for the pound, but not bad either...> > >>and, one band got paid $60> > >>one got $10> > >>the other two got nuthin> > >>the show was $10 to get in.....> > >>> > >>i heard that story repeated, ad naseum...> > >>er the time some good friend's played there..at the last minute..they> >were> > >>begged t oplay, as everything else had fallen through for the club...> > >>they were promised "a little bit of money, and two cases of beer"> > >>ok..so, it was last minute..everything thrown together> > >>understandble> > >>they show up..headline....> > >>and, get a 6 pack of beer.....> > >>hey..good job..here's yer 6 of pabst....> > >>> > >>they were just a horrible club..they treated bands (and guests) like> > >>crap....> > >>not a good way to run a business...> > >>*shrug*> > >>> > >>fraggle> > >>> > >>> > >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > >> >Dec 26, 2006 10:49 AM> > >> > > > >> >Re: (unknown)> > >> >> > >> >Complain about the Pound? Do you mean because there were virtuallyno> > >>seats,> > >> >and it was in the boonies and had no outdoor lighting to help youfind> > >>your> > >> >car afterwards? Or was it something deeper?> > >> >> > >> >My son used to play there fairly often, so that's why I startedgoing> > >>there.> > >> > Mongolian throat singers ... that could probably describe their> >style.> > >> >> > >> >Have you ever seen Chiodos? Without know what you like, of course,> >I'd> > >> >recommend it if you ever get the chance. (No, that's for certainnot> >my> > >> >son's band. He left the old one and is just getting situated in anew> >one> > >> >that isn't playing yet, but if they ever do I'll let you know! He'sa> > >> >screamer> > >> >> > >> >peace,> > >> >sharon> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>Re: (unknown)> > >> >>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:22:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> > >> >>> > >> >>me?> > >> >>mongolian throat singers> > >> >>> > >> >>umm...> > >> >>punk> > >> >>and some punk> > >> >>and then punk> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>an aside> > >> >>when i use to come up here fer shows and visits in the mid to late> >80's,> > >> >>every called it 924 Gilman or Gilman street> > >> >>when i worked there in the late 80's to early 90's, we called it> > >>"Gilman"> > >> >>i've noticed how as each group/generation comes along its name> >changes> > >> >>slightly> > >> >>a few years ago, i started hearing it called "The Gilman" as yousaid> > >> >>nowadays, i get "Gilmans"> > >> >>eh..i thought it was interesting...sublte changes in language, overa> > >>short> > >> >>period of time> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>the Pound..> > >> >>i'm glad its closed> > >> >>i loathed that place> > >> >>sorry> > >> >>went there, oh, i dunno...10. maybe a dozen times over the years> > >> >>i could complain about that place fer days> > >> >>> > >> >>fraggle> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> >Sharon Murch <grace4compassion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 3:37 PM> > >> >> > > > >> >> >Re: (unknown)> > >> >> >> > >> >> >The Gilman, hehe. What kind of music do you like, fraggle? Did> >you> > >>ever> > >> >>go> > >> >> >to the Pound in San Francisco? My son used to sing in a hardcore> >band> > >> >>and> > >> >> >going to his shows got me hooked on it. I hadn't been to anyshows> >in> > >>a> > >> >> >long while, since before I broke my ankle, but a couple of weeks> >ago> > >>my> > >> >> >daughter's friend was playing at Rooster's Roadhouse in Alamedaand> >I> > >> >>took> > >> >> >her out there. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it!> > >> >> >> > >> >> >peace,> > >> >> >sharon> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) com>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>Re: (unknown)> > >> >> >>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:07:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00)> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>New years is several parties and the 20th Anniversary of Gilman> >shows> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eve/246511494.html> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >flower child <zurumato (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>> > >> >> >> >Dec 22, 2006 1:43 PM> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > (unknown)> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >i am in new york,> > >> >> >> >it is cold here.> > >> >> >> >but no snow so far.> > >> >> >> >it gets dark here at 4:30.> > >> >> >> >i can understand how people here get the winter blues.> > >> >> >> >as soon as i got here i got offered a job back in florida. soi> > >>will> > >> >>go> > >> >> >> >back in two weeks.> > >> >> >> >there are very nice vegan bakeries popping up.> > >> >> >> >vegan cakes and other foods.> > >> >> >> >I forgot how annoying family members are.> > >> >> >> >i should live in a cabin in the woods> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >what are the new year plans for people? if any.> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >-anouk> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >To send an email to> > >>- > > >> >> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 31, 2007 you are waning all poetic again? The Valley Vegan........flower child <zurumato wrote: oh moon you pull me every month a slave of the energy of the waveof your giant magnet and gave two and many happinesses.. oh moon I salute you-anouk Peter H All New Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 31, 2007 are you online right noww?? me too. we had a nice day, took the bus and took my little boy to the dentist, then we stopped by a bookstore. I have dreadlocks now. my little boy is playing with planes and blocks on the floor and my dog and one cat are in the room and we are listening to peter paul and mary. I won't subjcet you to my corny words! -anouk , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > you are waning all poetic again? > > The Valley Vegan........ > > flower child <zurumato wrote: > oh moon you pull me every month a slave of the energy of the wave > of your giant magnet and gave two and many happinesses.. > oh moon I salute you > > -anouk Peter H > > > > > All New Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
