(unknown)

May 11, 2007

For most people increasing

their intake of raw foods is probably a good thing, but a 100% raw

diet is obsessive and of no demonstrable benefit.

Paul

Thanks Paul - thats a worthy reminder, I'm the kind of " all or nothing "

personality

and I did try a raw food diet about 10yrs ago (bought a lot of the Kentons

books:

Raw Food Energy etc) ...but I just couldnt sustain it ..think I lasted two

weeks

and then I couldnt do it anymore! I missed cups of tea, toast - and a hot

cooked

meal now and then! Amazing what you miss isnt it. I was looking at some of

the

links and I could feel myself getting obsessive and mentally cutting out

everything

- but realistically, if I just made sure that at least one meal a day is

totally raw

that would be a start wouldnt it. I tend to read articles and go over

board -

especially as in the back of my mind my mothers side of the family suffer

terribly with cancer - my own mother died of bowel cancer at 55yrs - and its

so

prevalent in that side, so I tend to read all the stuff about it being so

good

and healthy and then try to go to the extreme 100% - probably making myself

and my poor longsuffering family miserable in the process!

Thanks again! Alison

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May 11, 2007

Cold fake turkey, presumably?!

John

-

" Alison Goodyer " <alison.goodyer

Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:39 PM

RE: (unknown)

> Thanks Louise - I think you are right - cold turkey is definitely the only

> way for me

> I think - and hopefully if I try and switch to mainly raw vegan food it

> will

> help me

> with the cravings! I guess following a raw vegan diet for a bit will rule

> out the bar of Green and Black

> chocolate I just bought though LOL !! Mind you - I'll willing to give

> anything a go to get some more energy - my nails are

> always weak and brittle and my hair albeit long, has been thinning

> slightly

> on top

> for the past year or so - which is odd considering I do generally eat a

> relatively

> healthy diet - here's hoping cutting cheese out totally and increasing the

> raw food

> that I at least start to feel more energised!

>

> Alison

>

> On Behalf

> Of

> louisekinnard

> 10 May 2007 12:17

>

> (unknown)

>

> I've been reading the posts about cheese and addiction etc. I've

> been vegan for 1 and half years now, I was gradually giving up

> cheese for about 3 years beforehand, I honestly think the best thing

> to do is go cold turkey on it, just stop eating it completely, it

> will be hard for a few weeks but then you just won't miss it, I

> don't think I could even eat it now, eugh! You'll feel so much

> better - healthier, fitter, better skin, strong nails etc!!

>

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May 11, 2007

On 11 May 2007, at 08:32, Alison Goodyer wrote:

>

> Thanks Paul - thats a worthy reminder, I'm the kind of " all or

> nothing "

> personality

> and I did try a raw food diet about 10yrs ago (bought a lot of the

> Kentons

> books:

> Raw Food Energy etc) ...but I just couldnt sustain it ..think I

> lasted two

> weeks

> and then I couldnt do it anymore! I missed cups of tea, toast -

> and a hot

> cooked

> meal now and then! Amazing what you miss isnt it. I was looking

> at some of

> the

> links and I could feel myself getting obsessive and mentally

> cutting out

> everything

> - but realistically, if I just made sure that at least one meal a

> day is

> totally raw

> that would be a start wouldnt it. I tend to read articles and go over

> board -

> especially as in the back of my mind my mothers side of the family

> suffer

> terribly with cancer - my own mother died of bowel cancer at 55yrs

> - and its

> so

> prevalent in that side, so I tend to read all the stuff about it

> being so

> good

> and healthy and then try to go to the extreme 100% - probably

> making myself

> and my poor longsuffering family miserable in the process!

>

Yes, like so many things in life, it seems that it's all about

finding the right balance. I suggest eating stuff raw that tastes

good raw (e.g. broccoli) and cooking stuff that doesn't (e.g. potatoes).

Good luck, and don't let those obsessive tendendcies get hold of

you. ;-)

Paul

May 11, 2007

LOL !!! Very funny !!!

On Behalf Of

John Davis

11 May 2007 09:16

Re: (unknown)

Cold fake turkey, presumably?!

John

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May 25, 2007

Hi Lisa!

May I ask if you find it difficult doing all the cooking for everyone

in your household when you are vegan? I'm vegan, but my husband is

not. We have no children. He eats what I make occasionally, he

doesn't mind many of my vegan meals. But he also makes himself

plenty of omnivore meals. When he wants meat, he prepares it himself.

Anna

On 25/05/2007, at 1:31 AM, Lisa Sheckell wrote:

> Hi, My name is Lisa King but around town I am known as Queenfish

> (because my husband, a fisherman, is nicknamed Kingfish) and I have

> been a Vegan for one year. I am the only vegetarian in my home ,

> which includes a husband and a 21 year old daughter, and I do all

> of the cooking for everyone. I am in my early 40's and am very

> excited to have found your site.

>

> Lisa

>

> Get your own web address.

> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

>

May 25, 2007

I am trying to transition my daughter in to fixing their meat and leaving the

rest up to me. I don't WANT the meat or anything, I just think it would be nicer

if I didn't have to fix it for them.

Anna <rodstruelove wrote: Hi Lisa!

May I ask if you find it difficult doing all the cooking for everyone

in your household when you are vegan? I'm vegan, but my husband is

not. We have no children. He eats what I make occasionally, he

doesn't mind many of my vegan meals. But he also makes himself

plenty of omnivore meals. When he wants meat, he prepares it himself.

Anna

On 25/05/2007, at 1:31 AM, Lisa Sheckell wrote:

> Hi, My name is Lisa King but around town I am known as Queenfish

> (because my husband, a fisherman, is nicknamed Kingfish) and I have

> been a Vegan for one year. I am the only vegetarian in my home ,

> which includes a husband and a 21 year old daughter, and I do all

> of the cooking for everyone. I am in my early 40's and am very

> excited to have found your site.

>

> Lisa

>

> Get your own web address.

> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

>

May 25, 2007

My DS is only 8, and although we are an all-veg family, he knows that if he

does not want what I have prepared for dinner, he can go to the

fridge/pantry and make himself:

- sandwich

- veggie dog

- frozen waffle

- toast

- microwaved leftovers

- fr bean burrito

- fr pizza

- fresh fruit/veg

- yoghurt

- cold salad

He can also make a number of things with only minimal supervision, such as:

- eggs (I believe this is that okay to say on the list?)

- oatmeal

- soup

- fr veggies

He has certain guidelines to follow so that he still has a balanced diet,

but that is not usually an issue.

Pam

On 5/25/07, Lisa Sheckell <sing_song_gal wrote:

>

> I am trying to transition my daughter in to fixing their meat and

> leaving the rest up to me. I don't WANT the meat or anything, I just think

> it would be nicer if I didn't have to fix it for them.

>

> Anna <rodstruelove <rodstruelove%40dodo.com.au>> wrote: Hi

> Lisa!

>

> May I ask if you find it difficult doing all the cooking for everyone

> in your household when you are vegan? I'm vegan, but my husband is

> not. We have no children. He eats what I make occasionally, he

> doesn't mind many of my vegan meals. But he also makes himself

> plenty of omnivore meals. When he wants meat, he prepares it himself.

>

> Anna

>

> On 25/05/2007, at 1:31 AM, Lisa Sheckell wrote:

>

> > Hi, My name is Lisa King but around town I am known as Queenfish

> > (because my husband, a fisherman, is nicknamed Kingfish) and I have

> > been a Vegan for one year. I am the only vegetarian in my home ,

> > which includes a husband and a 21 year old daughter, and I do all

> > of the cooking for everyone. I am in my early 40's and am very

> > excited to have found your site.

> >

> > Lisa

> >

> > Get your own web address.

> > Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

> >

May 25, 2007

That's really good for him too, to be able to take care of himself like that. I

miss my kids being that little. I have a 21 year old daughter and my stepson

(whom I raised)is 26.

I became a vegan after fighting colon cancer. Four years ago this month, I was

given 2 months to live. Here I am , cancer free and vegatarian and feeling

better at 42 than I have in years. For that reason alone, I wish I could get my

loved ones to understand that eating meat is dangerous to their bodies. They

don't see it the way I do though.

Lisa

pdw <pdworkman wrote:

My DS is only 8, and although we are an all-veg family, he knows that

if he

does not want what I have prepared for dinner, he can go to the

fridge/pantry and make himself:

- sandwich

- veggie dog

- frozen waffle

- toast

- microwaved leftovers

- fr bean burrito

- fr pizza

- fresh fruit/veg

- yoghurt

- cold salad

He can also make a number of things with only minimal supervision, such as:

- eggs (I believe this is that okay to say on the list?)

- oatmeal

- soup

- fr veggies

He has certain guidelines to follow so that he still has a balanced diet,

but that is not usually an issue.

Pam

May 26, 2007

My daughter who's 3 isn't allowed to fix anything for herself other than a bowl

of cereal or assisted with a sandwich of some sort.

Jackie K.

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May 26, 2007

With toddlers, you have to be careful not only that there is no preparation

required on the child's part, but also that they are supervised when they

eat and aren't going to either choke gobble up everything at once [i am

still trying to teach my DS about portion sizes].

All of the following are easy for a three-year-old to help herself to if

pre-cut and preportioned by mom, and dips are put in a snack-sized

bowl/yogurt container. Little ones like being able to choose or get it

ready themselves. When you are preparing it ahead, you can have her help

you pick out and wash veggies, spoon dips into containers, choose what to

mix into a trail mix, etc.

- fresh fruit and veggies

- crackers and sliced cheese

- teddy grahams or dry cereal

- pitas and hummus [DS would eat hummus by the handful]

- taco shell and refried beans

- granola bar

- juice containers

- dried fruit/trail mix

- applesauce

- yogurt

- jello/pudding cups [the commercial individual-sized cups do not include

gelatin]

- canned fruit

- rice pudding

- veggie deli slices, hot dog chunks, ham cubes, etc.

- mini bagels

- cubed cheese

- cubed hb egg

- popsicles

Pam

On 5/25/07, Jackie <jhascek wrote:

>

> My daughter who's 3 isn't allowed to fix anything for herself other than

> a bowl of cereal or assisted with a sandwich of some sort.

>

> Jackie K.

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Well duh, she's my shadow. I have preportioned food for her, but I'm just

stating that she can go into the cabinet and get a box of cereal and ask for

help with milk jug. I don't expect her to cook. What do you think I am an idiot?

I know how to take care of my child. She has her own snack drawer while her

friends do not and are not allowed to get anything by themselves unless the

parent unlocks the cupboard or fridge. I do not lock food away from my child,

she knows that she can go and get something if she's hungry. I don't expect her

to only eat at specific times of the day like we adults do.

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Hi Karen,

Let me add my voice to the welcome...I have some thoughts about

protein powders...

> I still use a whey based protein powder though - I

> add it to oatmeal. I'd like to get away from dairy altogether but

> that doesn't leave a whole lot. Most protein powder seems to be

> based on either soy or whey. I know Arbonne makes one with pea

> protein but it's expensive - haven't tried it. Anyone know of a

> good non soy non dairy protein powder?

Whey protein isolate does not have the allergens found in dairy so it

may be just fine for you.

I found the pea protein one to be nasty <smile>. If you decide to go

non soy, non dairy, Nutritbiotic rice protein is nice.

>

> I doubt I will try to be vegan (to my daughter's dismay). I just

> can't see how I could get enough protein. Perhaps waay down the

> road when I don't need as much, I will rethink that.

> If anyone has

> ideas to share for getting 42 grams of non meat protein in a meal, I

> think that's what I need help with.

It is fine to use the .4 grams to calculate which would bring it down

significantly.

Try and see what you get.

> That's a lot of eggs, even more

> beans. I won't have to worry about oil prices, I'll never run out

> of gas!

>

> I will look in the files for protein sources and values. I did copy

> some recipes from the files and tried one - the sour chick peas.

> They were good - my whole family liked them - but took forever (a

> day and a half) and still the chick peas were a little crunchy. Can

> you use canned chick peas instead?

Yes, canned are just fine <smile>

nice to have you here.

Warmly,

kathleen

>

> I'll look for that book on Amazon.com. What a clever title! I have

> one in my cart - a cookbook, Vegan with a Vengeance. Anyone tried

> that one?

>

> Thanks again

>

> Karen

>

July 2, 2007

Hi Karen,

I usually recommend Students Go Vegan by Carole Raymond because it is very

simple to use and most of the dishes have only a few ingredients.

If you are new to vegetarianism too, I suggest buying or borrowing a copy of

Laurel's Kitchen and reading the introduction, to learn a bit about protein

combining. (The recipes are good too, just not all vegan.)

I use a non-soy vegan protein powder made by Naturade; however they seem to be

having production problems (or going out of business?) as Whole Foods is out of

stock with no replacement date known.

Yes, you can use canned beans. Just be sure to drain them and rinse them well

as they are processed with salt (if sodium is a concern). I use both canned for

convenience, but when I have time, I cook a huge batch and freeze in individual

servings in Tupperware. Many people find that beans that have been frozen lose

much of their gas-producing qualities. Also, many also find that their digestive

systems adapt after awhile. I eat enough beans to make my teenage nephews tease

me mercilessly - but beans don't bother me at all anymore!

If you are able to eat soy at all, try shelled edamame. They can be found

frozen in most big supermarkets as well as Whole Foods and Trader Joe's. They

don't normally cause gas like other beans, and have a whopping 24 grams of

protein per cup. You can mix them half and half with corn for a high-protein

succotash.

Nuts and seeds are good sources of protein; however very high in fat, so are

good to combine with other vegan protein sources.

Lastly, if it is within your budget to do so, visit one or more vegan

restaurants, and try some of the more exotic dishes. It's amazing what a little

inspiration (and a night off from cooking) can do!

Gail

kegrimm <kegrimm wrote:

Sharon, Gail and Lacie,

Thanks for the warm welcome!

I'm on step 3.25 I guess - babystepping step 3, working on the

interval between breakfast and lunch. Taking two steps forward and

one step back.

I'm a bigone and it's a challenge getting enough protein even with

meat. So it would be a big help to hear about protein sources. I'm

probably overdoing it with cheese. I've discovered I probably have

a dairy allergy. Milk seems to make me sleepy - since I stopped

having a milk based shake for breakfast I am much more clear headed

in the morning. I still use a whey based protein powder though - I

add it to oatmeal. I'd like to get away from dairy altogether but

that doesn't leave a whole lot. Most protein powder seems to be

based on either soy or whey. I know Arbonne makes one with pea

protein but it's expensive - haven't tried it. Anyone know of a

good non soy non dairy protein powder?

I doubt I will try to be vegan (to my daughter's dismay). I just

can't see how I could get enough protein. Perhaps waay down the

road when I don't need as much, I will rethink that. If anyone has

ideas to share for getting 42 grams of non meat protein in a meal, I

think that's what I need help with. That's a lot of eggs, even more

beans. I won't have to worry about oil prices, I'll never run out

of gas!

I will look in the files for protein sources and values. I did copy

some recipes from the files and tried one - the sour chick peas.

They were good - my whole family liked them - but took forever (a

day and a half) and still the chick peas were a little crunchy. Can

you use canned chick peas instead?

I'll look for that book on Amazon.com. What a clever title! I have

one in my cart - a cookbook, Vegan with a Vengeance. Anyone tried

that one?

Thanks again

Karen

July 2, 2007

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome!

>

> I'm on step 3.25 I guess - babystepping step 3, working on the

> interval between breakfast and lunch. Taking two steps forward and

> one step back.

>

> I'm a bigone and it's a challenge getting enough protein even with

> meat. So it would be a big help to hear about protein sources. I'm

> probably overdoing it with cheese. I've discovered I probably have

> a dairy allergy. Milk seems to make me sleepy - since I stopped

> having a milk based shake for breakfast I am much more clear headed

> in the morning. I still use a whey based protein powder though - I

> add it to oatmeal. I'd like to get away from dairy altogether but

> that doesn't leave a whole lot. Most protein powder seems to be

> based on either soy or whey. I know Arbonne makes one with pea

> protein but it's expensive - haven't tried it. Anyone know of a

> good non soy non dairy protein powder?

>

> I doubt I will try to be vegan (to my daughter's dismay). I just

> can't see how I could get enough protein. Perhaps waay down the

> road when I don't need as much, I will rethink that. If anyone has

> ideas to share for getting 42 grams of non meat protein in a meal, I

> think that's what I need help with. That's a lot of eggs, even more

> beans. I won't have to worry about oil prices, I'll never run out

> of gas!

>

> I will look in the files for protein sources and values. I did copy

> some recipes from the files and tried one - the sour chick peas.

> They were good - my whole family liked them - but took forever (a

> day and a half) and still the chick peas were a little crunchy. Can

> you use canned chick peas instead?

>

> I'll look for that book on Amazon.com. What a clever title! I have

> one in my cart - a cookbook, Vegan with a Vengeance. Anyone tried

> that one?

>

> Thanks again

>

> Karen

>

July 4, 2007

Thanks for the explanation about the whey protein. It didn't seem

to be making me spacey like milk does, I should trust my

perceptions. Nice to be validated. Also I will try using .4 to

calculate protein. I weigh 250 lbs so that would be 100 grams a

day or 33 a meal, does that sound right? I have found that if I use

several different protein sources in a meal it doesn't seem so

excessive as I don't have to eat huge amounts of any one.

Everyone says that pea protein is nasty. I had a shake made with it

once that was delicious (made by someone trying to sell it to me).

It had lots of vanilla yogurt and frozen berries in it. Hid the

taste but sorta defeats the purpose.

Karen

, Kathleen DesMaisons

<radiantkd wrote:

>

> Hi Karen,

>

> Let me add my voice to the welcome...I have some thoughts about

> protein powders...

>

> > I still use a whey based protein powder though - I

> > add it to oatmeal. I'd like to get away from dairy altogether

but

> > that doesn't leave a whole lot. Most protein powder seems to be

> > based on either soy or whey. I know Arbonne makes one with pea

> > protein but it's expensive - haven't tried it. Anyone know of a

> > good non soy non dairy protein powder?

>

> Whey protein isolate does not have the allergens found in dairy so

it

> may be just fine for you.

> I found the pea protein one to be nasty <smile>. If you decide to

go

> non soy, non dairy, Nutritbiotic rice protein is nice.

> >

> > I doubt I will try to be vegan (to my daughter's dismay). I just

> > can't see how I could get enough protein. Perhaps waay down the

> > road when I don't need as much, I will rethink that.

> > If anyone has

> > ideas to share for getting 42 grams of non meat protein in a

meal, I

> > think that's what I need help with.

>

> It is fine to use the .4 grams to calculate which would bring it

down

> significantly.

> Try and see what you get.

>

> > That's a lot of eggs, even more

> > beans. I won't have to worry about oil prices, I'll never run

out

> > of gas!

> >

> > I will look in the files for protein sources and values. I did

copy

> > some recipes from the files and tried one - the sour chick peas.

> > They were good - my whole family liked them - but took forever (a

> > day and a half) and still the chick peas were a little crunchy.

Can

> > you use canned chick peas instead?

>

> Yes, canned are just fine <smile>

>

> nice to have you here.

>

> Warmly,

> kathleen

> >

> > I'll look for that book on Amazon.com. What a clever title! I

have

> > one in my cart - a cookbook, Vegan with a Vengeance. Anyone

tried

> > that one?

> >

> > Thanks again

> >

> > Karen

> >

July 4, 2007

Gail,

Thanks for all the suggestions. That cookbook sounds good; I'm into

simple (just don't have time for anything else). The protein

combining would be a helpful also. I can eat some soy, it was just

when I started every day with a soy/soy shake (soy milk and soy

powder) I didn't feel so good . The edamame and corn succotash

sounds great - I like edamame and I think I have some in the freezer

right now. I like edamame in yellow rice, too. I have a rice cooker

that makes rice dishes very easy. hmm...

Karen

- In , Gail Shapiro

<weedabutt wrote:

>

> Hi Karen,

> I usually recommend Students Go Vegan by Carole Raymond because

it is very simple to use and most of the dishes have only a few

ingredients.

>

> If you are new to vegetarianism too, I suggest buying or

borrowing a copy of Laurel's Kitchen and reading the introduction,

to learn a bit about protein combining. (The recipes are good too,

just not all vegan.)

>

> I use a non-soy vegan protein powder made by Naturade; however

they seem to be having production problems (or going out of

business?) as Whole Foods is out of stock with no replacement date

known.

>

> Yes, you can use canned beans. Just be sure to drain them and

rinse them well as they are processed with salt (if sodium is a

concern). I use both canned for convenience, but when I have time, I

cook a huge batch and freeze in individual servings in Tupperware.

Many people find that beans that have been frozen lose much of their

gas-producing qualities. Also, many also find that their digestive

systems adapt after awhile. I eat enough beans to make my teenage

nephews tease me mercilessly - but beans don't bother me at all

anymore!

>

> If you are able to eat soy at all, try shelled edamame. They can

be found frozen in most big supermarkets as well as Whole Foods and

Trader Joe's. They don't normally cause gas like other beans, and

have a whopping 24 grams of protein per cup. You can mix them half

and half with corn for a high-protein succotash.

>

> Nuts and seeds are good sources of protein; however very high in

fat, so are good to combine with other vegan protein sources.

>

> Lastly, if it is within your budget to do so, visit one or more

vegan restaurants, and try some of the more exotic dishes. It's

amazing what a little inspiration (and a night off from cooking) can

do!

>

> Gail

>

> kegrimm <kegrimm wrote:

> Sharon, Gail and Lacie,

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome!

>

> I'm on step 3.25 I guess - babystepping step 3, working on the

> interval between breakfast and lunch. Taking two steps forward and

> one step back.

>

> I'm a bigone and it's a challenge getting enough protein even with

> meat. So it would be a big help to hear about protein sources. I'm

> probably overdoing it with cheese. I've discovered I probably have

> a dairy allergy. Milk seems to make me sleepy - since I stopped

> having a milk based shake for breakfast I am much more clear

headed

> in the morning. I still use a whey based protein powder though - I

> add it to oatmeal. I'd like to get away from dairy altogether but

> that doesn't leave a whole lot. Most protein powder seems to be

> based on either soy or whey. I know Arbonne makes one with pea

> protein but it's expensive - haven't tried it. Anyone know of a

> good non soy non dairy protein powder?

>

> I doubt I will try to be vegan (to my daughter's dismay). I just

> can't see how I could get enough protein. Perhaps waay down the

> road when I don't need as much, I will rethink that. If anyone has

> ideas to share for getting 42 grams of non meat protein in a meal,

I

> think that's what I need help with. That's a lot of eggs, even

more

> beans. I won't have to worry about oil prices, I'll never run out

> of gas!

>

> I will look in the files for protein sources and values. I did

copy

> some recipes from the files and tried one - the sour chick peas.

> They were good - my whole family liked them - but took forever (a

> day and a half) and still the chick peas were a little crunchy.

Can

> you use canned chick peas instead?

>

> I'll look for that book on Amazon.com. What a clever title! I have

> one in my cart - a cookbook, Vegan with a Vengeance. Anyone tried

> that one?

>

> Thanks again

>

> Karen

>

July 8, 2007

Hello,

About protein powder -- I've seen both hemp and rice protein powderavailable at

some health food stores -- the Vitamin Cottage comes tomind, they're a regional

chain who have stores in Colorado, NM, andsome other places I think. I can't

remember the price but seems to meit was reasonable. Vitamin Cottage tends to

be cheaper than the otherhealth food stores where I live.

kegrimm wrote: