Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:28 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 9:26 PM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 10, 2009 9:17 PM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 6:12 PM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 5:32 PM > > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > continuity, > > > > > is > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > of > > > > all > > > > life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > geo> What explains is the program that takes care of the body but > > > > that > > > > has > > > > nothing to do with a self. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > > vastness > > > > out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > geo> The body is progaramed like that much alike any animal. The > > > > human > > > > organism does not need an imagined inner observer. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who is it that has decided that? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Please rephrase the question. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it something other that the sense of self...the inner > > observer.....that > > has concluded that the physical organism doesn't need an inner observer? > > > > Where do those opinions reside? > > > > toombaru > > > > Ahhhh...toomba...Not opinions, it is obvious. > > There is the seeing of this organism/consciosuness and the awareness > > that > > is > > just an empty pattern and the possiblity of being able to look at it > > means > > I > > am not it. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Biiiiiingo! > > :-) > > toombaru > > That is the whole " point " is it not? > The seeing of the manifested - as a whole - suddenly as some quantum snap > evaporates any observer into the empty not-knowable non-manifested > no-thingness. > -geo- No, it is being the suffering without identifying with it. Not escaping into some never-never land of not-manifested no-thingness. The suffering itself is the emptiness. -- D -- " it is being the suffering without identifying with it. " In what manner that is different from " empty not-knowable non-manifested no-thingness. " ? Is any of those expressions identical with it? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:23 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:39 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 8:25 PM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of > > all > > life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that > > > it > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > toombaru > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that does or > has or sees. > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and give it > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > -- Dan -- > > The sense of self? why do you say that? Of course it does. It is a sourece > of fear, anxiety, anger, illusion. illness.... The attempt to establish something that is the source of fear, *is* fear. >Profound fear for inexistent > causes, great anguish for fear of loosing imagined stuff.....all this > affects the body/mind... There aren't any final explanations for the fear you are - there is simply being it. This is not for the squeamish. The fear of death is like a poison the alters the > organic balance of the body/mind delicate balance. What about jealousy, > panic...lots and lots of more reactions that shoot wrong enzims, > inapropriate hormones, harmfull discharges all over the organism..I really > dont get you here... Fear is much more than the biological observations you've learned about. It is the basis for the establishment of the science that produced these observations about the biochemistry of fear. > PS - Not the inexistent self - of course - but the sense of " as if " . Sure - but learning about the " as if " nature of human nature, is itself an " as if. " In other words, there is no refuge available from fear and suffering, and the pain humans inflict on each other, by surmising an " as if " condition involved. Learning that this is a dream, is itself learning in a dream. The attraction for the dream is to attempt to get away into a reality that can be controlled somehow. -- Dan -- All I said is that living with the imagined center harms the organism: the need for fforts from morning till night and night till morning. You are talking of something else. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:41 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, > > > > is > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > that it > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that does > > or has or sees. > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and give > > it power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > Is there something other than " it " speaking through you? > > > > toombaru That's a silly question that can't be answered. Who would care about such a trivial concept as that? Trying to figure out who is really speaking? That is obviously nonsense, as any attempt to define what is speaking requires someone to do that defining. Getting involved in such games is a mental preoccupation to avoid being what one actually is. The evasion is very close to home. It is not out there with someone else. - Dan - You are not too well today dan. Who else could be doing enything? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:49 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 8:22 PM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 3:01 PM > > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that > > > > > it > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, > > > > is > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. In the > > > > other > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > that it > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > It doesn't do anything. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > The sense of self? why do you say that? Of course it does. It is a > > > sourece > > > of fear, anxiety, anger, illusion. illness.... > > > Profound fear for inexistent causes, great anguish for fear of loosing > > > imagined stuff.....all this affects the body/mind... I really dont get > > > you > > > here... > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a mirage exist?......yes and no. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Suffering hurts. > > Calling it a mirage is an attempt to escape. > > - D - > There is physical suffering and there is suffering induced by the fearful imagination of the ego. They have been given the same name........but they are not the same. toombaru Exactly. Dan has itchy fingers in ealry mornings -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:51 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > There is physical suffering and there is suffering induced by the > fearful imagination of the ego. > > They have been given the same name........but they are not the same. Yes, let's split suffering in two, now. The more bits and pieces we can get, the better. The more thought can divide, the more 'in control' it feels. -tim- Nop. There are real sufferings and imagined ones. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:25 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:13 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > There is physical suffering and there is suffering induced by the > > > fearful imagination of the ego. > > > > > > They have been given the same name........but they are not the same. > > > > Yes, let's split suffering in two, now. > > > > The more bits and pieces we can get, the better. > > > > The more thought can divide, the more 'in control' it feels. > > > > > One form of " suffering " is substantial. > A broken leg hurts. > One form is imaginary. > Losing one's lover.......hurts. > > > > toombaru This is very, very important, isn't it? To keep on conceptually separating things. Very, very important to maintain this momentum. -tim- You are about to get hystercal about it... -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:26 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:28 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is physical suffering and there is suffering induced by the > > > > fearful imagination of the ego. > > > > > > > > They have been given the same name........but they are not the same. > > > > > > Yes, let's split suffering in two, now. > > > > > > The more bits and pieces we can get, the better. > > > > > > The more thought can divide, the more 'in control' it feels. > > > > > > > > > One form of " suffering " is substantial. > > A broken leg hurts. > > One form is imaginary. > > Losing one's lover.......hurts. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > This is very, very important, isn't it? > > To keep on conceptually separating things. > > Very, very important to maintain this momentum. > No more important than your compulsion to push your imaginary things together. toombaru Correct. Swapp them out there for me in here. What is fogoten is that there is an out there and some in here to start off. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:26 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that > > > it > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > toombaru > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that does or > has or sees. > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and give it > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > -- Dan -- > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is due to ego.....forever restless in nature.... Marc It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:27 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:49 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > " I am above the I " is an interesting statement indeed. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Are there any statements that aren't interesting? > > > > There is an imagined 'background process', that is actually absolutely > > synchronous with what is perceived. > > > > The notion that there is something 'happening in the background' is > > delusion, can be called " the subconscious mind " (or 'me'). > > > > There is what is being avoided, that is pushed out of awareness and is > > thus " subconscious " . > > > > Or not. > The attempt by the conceptual mind to figure itself out is doomed > to failure for one very good reason. That's right. No theories are offered, from here. Facts only. If they look like theories, that's the reader's issue. What is the case, is final, complete. There are no arguments either for or against it. One can make all the arguments one likes, however... feel free. -tim- So...now have you finally convinced yourself? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:27 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:07 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > " I am above the I " is an interesting statement indeed. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Are there any statements that aren't interesting? > > > > There is an imagined 'background process', that is actually absolutely > > synchronous with what is perceived. > > > > The notion that there is something 'happening in the background' is > > delusion, can be called " the subconscious mind " (or 'me'). > > > > There is what is being avoided, that is pushed out of awareness and is > > thus " subconscious " . > > > > Or not. > The attempt by the conceptual mind to figure itself out is doomed > to failure for one very good reason. That's right. 'What is the case' is final, complete. There are no arguments either for, or against it. If any argument is possible, it isn't the case. " Instead of seeking what you don't have, find out what is is you have never lost " -- Nisargadatta " Go back the way you came " -- Ramana -tim- The moment you needed them to rescue you...you lost it. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:28 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 That is the whole "point" is it not?> The seeing of the manifested - as a whole - suddenly as some quantum snap> evaporates any observer into the empty not-knowable non-manifested> no-thingness.> > In other words. Fully objectivating the manifested realizes the subjective> non-manifested - and not the other way around. -geo-I don't understand this one. -toomba- I meant..dont try to find the non-manifested subjective because that is objectivating it. See the objective instead and the subjective is there. In fact then all is subjective or objective - the same side. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that > > > > it > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that does or > > has or sees. > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and give it > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is due to > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > Marc > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > -geo- > > nobody knows.... except the ego. .... nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for real...anyway... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, > > > > is > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > that > > > > it > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that does > > or > > has or sees. > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and give > > it > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is due > to > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > Marc > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > -geo- > > nobody knows.... except the ego. .... nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for real...anyway... Marc It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate imaginer. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 08:07:44 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, > > > > > is > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that does > > > or > > > has or sees. > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and give > > > it > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is due > > to > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > Marc > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > -geo- > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > except the ego. > > ... > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for real...anyway... > > Marc > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > imaginer. > -geo- > > imaginer " geo " , " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, inclusive there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... Marc > > > > > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 11/8/2009 08:07:44 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > continuity, > > > > > is > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > of > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > does > > > or > > > has or sees. > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > give > > > it > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > due > > to > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > Marc > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > -geo- > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > except the ego. > > ... > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for real...anyway... > > Marc > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > imaginer. > -geo- > > imaginer " geo " , " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, inclusive there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... Marc To the reader " geo " is an image. To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the same. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > > continuity, > > > > > > is > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > > of > > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > > does > > > > or > > > > has or sees. > > > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > > give > > > > it > > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > > due > > > to > > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > > > except the ego. > > > > ... > > > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for real...anyway... > > > > Marc > > > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > > imaginer. > > -geo- > > > > > imaginer " geo " , > > " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, inclusive > > there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... > > Marc > > To the reader " geo " is an image. > To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the > same. > -geo- > reader and writer " geo " are imaginary also reader and writer " marc " are imaginary ..... they get real, when there is a " reader or writer " " geo or marc " reading or writing.... .... they disappear when there is silence....again means, when real Self appears, again. Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > > continuity, > > > > > > is > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > > of > > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea > > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to > > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > > does > > > > or > > > > has or sees. > > > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > > give > > > > it > > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > > due > > > to > > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > > > except the ego. > > > > ... > > > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for real...anyway... > > > > Marc > > > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > > imaginer. > > -geo- > > > > > imaginer " geo " , > > " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, inclusive > > there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... > > Marc > > To the reader " geo " is an image. > To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the > same. > -geo- > >Geo, why the daily obsessive compulsive need to reply to every posting that is there before/when you logged on? Are you the Advaita police? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:19 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > > continuity, > > > > > > is > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > > of > > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the > > > > > > idea > > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship > > > > > to > > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > > does > > > > or > > > > has or sees. > > > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > > give > > > > it > > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > > due > > > to > > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > > > except the ego. > > > > ... > > > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for > > real...anyway... > > > > Marc > > > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > > imaginer. > > -geo- > > > > > imaginer " geo " , > > " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, > inclusive > > there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... > > Marc > > To the reader " geo " is an image. > To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the > same. > -geo- > reader and writer " geo " are imaginary also reader and writer " marc " are imaginary ..... they get real, when there is a " reader or writer " " geo or marc " reading or writing.... .... they disappear when there is silence....again means, when real Self appears, again. Marc There is no need for fragmentation in order to write or do anything. IT is always doing IT. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 10:23:51 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - douglasmitch1963 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:00 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > > continuity, > > > > > > is > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > > of > > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the > > > > > > idea > > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship > > > > > to > > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > > does > > > > or > > > > has or sees. > > > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > > give > > > > it > > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > > due > > > to > > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > > > except the ego. > > > > ... > > > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for > > real...anyway... > > > > Marc > > > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > > imaginer. > > -geo- > > > > > imaginer " geo " , > > " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, > inclusive > > there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... > > Marc > > To the reader " geo " is an image. > To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the > same. > -geo- > >Geo, why the daily obsessive compulsive need to reply to every posting that >is there before/when you logged on? Are you the Advaita police? geo> I have been doing it for a month or two now and it has helped me to have a better understanding of things. I love to digg into this matter. Concerning " advaita " ...I think the first time I heard about it was a couple of month ago when I first read Nis. and later on this list. It is not an obssession though... Do you feel I am overdoing it? Am I being agressive or something? I am interested to know what kind of image geo is projecting now. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 10:23:51 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:19 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > > > continuity, > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > > > of > > > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship > > > > > > to > > > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > > > does > > > > > or > > > > > has or sees. > > > > > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > > > give > > > > > it > > > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > > > due > > > > to > > > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > > > > > except the ego. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for > > > real...anyway... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > > > imaginer. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > imaginer " geo " , > > > > " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, > > inclusive > > > > there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... > > > > Marc > > > > To the reader " geo " is an image. > > To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the > > same. > > -geo- > > > > reader and writer " geo " are imaginary > > also reader and writer " marc " are imaginary > > .... > > they get real, when there is a " reader or writer " " geo or marc " reading or > writing.... > > ... > > they disappear when there is silence....again > > means, when real Self appears, again. > > Marc > > There is no need for fragmentation in order to write or do anything. IT is > always doing IT. > -geo- > > this your " IT " is just " geo " who is allergic when it comes to fragmentations.....or differentiation between real and unreal. " geo " (or this your imaginary " IT " ), of course, is always the cause of fragmentations.....because thats the nature of imaginations & fictions like " geo " ... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:00 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:43 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:44 AM > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:14 AM > > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We differ on this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. > > > > > > They are the same phenomenon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no > > > > > > > continuity, > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And it is what is speaking now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful > > > > > > of > > > > > > all life forms on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other > > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. > > > > > > It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship > > > > > > to > > > > > > vastness out of which it emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything, have anything, see anything. > > > > > > > > > > You are talking about a pattern of neural events, not a thing that > > > > > does > > > > > or > > > > > has or sees. > > > > > > > > > > You try to debunk something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > You address many, many comments to something that is not. > > > > > > > > > > In that ongoing attempt to debunk it, you show a belief in it, and > > > > > give > > > > > it > > > > > power it never has had, as if to exist. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > such " show a belief in it, and give it power it never has had.... " is > > > > due > > > > to > > > > ego.....forever restless in nature.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > It is not due to ego. The belief IS the " as if " ego itself. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nobody knows.... > > > > > > except the ego. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > nobody there who need such " imaginary knowledge " (ego) for > > > real...anyway... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It seems that sometimes imagination seems to issue from some separate > > > imaginer. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > imaginer " geo " , > > > > " geo " Is....all this nice imaginations, words and worlds in here, > > inclusive > > > > there are indeed no seperations between " geo " and " geo " ... > > > > Marc > > > > To the reader " geo " is an image. > > To the writer it is a means to facilitate commucation. They are not the > > same. > > -geo- > > > >Geo, why the daily obsessive compulsive need to reply to every posting that > >is there before/when you logged on? Are you the Advaita police? > > geo> I have been doing it for a month or two now and it has helped me to > have a better understanding of things. I love to digg into this matter. > Concerning " advaita " ...I think the first time I heard about it was a couple > of month ago when I first read Nis. and later on this list. It is not an > obssession though... > Do you feel I am overdoing it? Am I being agressive or something? I am > interested to know what kind of image geo is projecting now. > -geo- > > you were told that you project the image of an " Advaita Police " .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > >Geo, why the daily obsessive compulsive need to reply to every posting that > >is there before/when you logged on? Are you the Advaita police? > > geo> I have been doing it for a month or two now and it has helped me to > have a better understanding of things. I love to digg into this matter. > Concerning " advaita " ...I think the first time I heard about it was a couple > of month ago when I first read Nis. and later on this list. It is not an > obssession though... > Do you feel I am overdoing it? Am I being agressive or something? I am > interested to know what kind of image geo is projecting now. > -geo- Geo, Man, just where in the fuck do you get off spouting like you do? Here you are puking words like a psychotic parrot. TWO FUCKING MONTHS?????? TWO FUCKING MONTHS and you're here posing as a " knower of reality who can juggle the Advaitan concepts and be unshakably consistent? " TWO FUCKING MONTHS and you're high-hatting and rib poking anyone and everyone with your inane blurbs that completely reveal your inability to grasp Advaita? If you're that smart, ya shudda taken up brain surgery instead of trying to impress the chuckleheads here who are not much clearer than you. If you were anywhere near to what you're posing to be, you sure wouldn't be posting here obsessively like a person scratching a rash. You are doing the equivalent of stealing a white coat and sneaking into a laboratory and just mixing chemicals at random while pretending to everyone in the lab that you're some sort of hotshot....and all you're doing is randomly mixing just in the hope that some sort of small reaction takes place so that you can brag that that is some insanely fucking great achievement and proof that you deserve to wear that white coat. TWO FUCKING MONTHS? TWO FUCKING MONTHS? Well, at last, it gels. You aren't crazy, you aren't stupid, but son-of-a-bitching-christ you're brazenly uneducated and grossly disrupting an advanced dialog about subtleties that historically a neophyte would mull over for decades in a cave before uttering a word about them. I got 40 years of mediatation, yoga, puja, scriptural studies, thousands of hours of writing about Advaita, and I tremble to speak here, because there are some folks who have intellectual clarity here. I fucking know that I don't know, so I try very carefully to string the words such that I wouldn't be an embarrassment to myself -- I still fail, but at least I know I'm trying to write about that which I but distantly view. Every time a newbie comes here, you're here speaking pure bullshit and making no sense 95% of the time, and the newbie cannot be expected to sort out who here is handling the subtleties and who is a little kid scribbling on research papers with a crayon. Does ya get it that that newbie might be turned off from seeking just because of nutjobs like you posing here as if they knew what was what? You're building a most horrid karma for yourself -- you're guaranteeing that you too will be mislead in life by others equally unaware of their own lack of expertise yet willing to lead you into the crapper. I shudder to think what you're going to be suckered into next. And, for all those who would say, " Edg, where's your compassion for this conceptual cripple? " -- I say, it besmirches anyone who would indulge a fool when enlightenment is on the line. Geo, you're like a guy who just figured out how to masturbate and you've got online and joined a chat-room for children ages 5 - 10 and now you're telling them about SELF pleasuring. Look in the mirror. You don't have a PhD in shit one. All your tee shirts are still to be purchased at Walmart. My sin? I waste my time looking for a decent conversation where trolls, posers and the utterly lonely collect like fish washed up on shore after the lake is poisoned. FUCK! Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 8:22 PM > > > > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 3:01 PM > > > > > > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > > > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is > > > > > > > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. In the other > > > > > > > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that it > > > > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self? why do you say that? Of course it does. It is a sourece > > > > > > of fear, anxiety, anger, illusion. illness.... > > > > > > Profound fear for inexistent causes, great anguish for fear of loosing > > > > > > imagined stuff.....all this affects the body/mind... I really dont get you > > > > > > here... > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a mirage exist?......yes and no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > The reason we see the mirage is we are Brahman, and because we are Brahman it never happened...> > > > > > > > > ...and Brahman isn't just a mirage...yes > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is a type of cattle. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > lol > > it is a type of...everything " you " want....means, everything you could ever imagine, intime....here and now > > Marc > The conceptual mind stacks up its post-its and calls the stack " God " . toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 P: What fun! Nothing more amusing that righteous indignation over beliefs. Overheard in a nut house: " How dare you, sir, proclaim yourself Jesus Christ? If I were still Emperor of France your head would roll, but alas, here I'm at St. Helen having to put up with your ravings. " Ha ha! Saudades do Brasil, eh, Geo? Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > >Geo, why the daily obsessive compulsive need to reply to every posting that > > >is there before/when you logged on? Are you the Advaita police? > > > > geo> I have been doing it for a month or two now and it has helped me to > > have a better understanding of things. I love to digg into this matter. > > Concerning " advaita " ...I think the first time I heard about it was a couple > > of month ago when I first read Nis. and later on this list. It is not an > > obssession though... > > Do you feel I am overdoing it? Am I being agressive or something? I am > > interested to know what kind of image geo is projecting now. > > -geo- > > Geo, > > Man, just where in the fuck do you get off spouting like you do? > > Here you are puking words like a psychotic parrot. TWO FUCKING MONTHS?????? TWO FUCKING MONTHS and you're here posing as a " knower of reality who can juggle the Advaitan concepts and be unshakably consistent? " > > TWO FUCKING MONTHS and you're high-hatting and rib poking anyone and everyone with your inane blurbs that completely reveal your inability to grasp Advaita? > > If you're that smart, ya shudda taken up brain surgery instead of trying to impress the chuckleheads here who are not much clearer than you. If you were anywhere near to what you're posing to be, you sure wouldn't be posting here obsessively like a person scratching a rash. > > You are doing the equivalent of stealing a white coat and sneaking into a laboratory and just mixing chemicals at random while pretending to everyone in the lab that you're some sort of hotshot....and all you're doing is randomly mixing just in the hope that some sort of small reaction takes place so that you can brag that that is some insanely fucking great achievement and proof that you deserve to wear that white coat. > > TWO FUCKING MONTHS? TWO FUCKING MONTHS? > > Well, at last, it gels. You aren't crazy, you aren't stupid, but son-of-a-bitching-christ you're brazenly uneducated and grossly disrupting an advanced dialog about subtleties that historically a neophyte would mull over for decades in a cave before uttering a word about them. > > I got 40 years of mediatation, yoga, puja, scriptural studies, thousands of hours of writing about Advaita, and I tremble to speak here, because there are some folks who have intellectual clarity here. I fucking know that I don't know, so I try very carefully to string the words such that I wouldn't be an embarrassment to myself -- I still fail, but at least I know I'm trying to write about that which I but distantly view. > > Every time a newbie comes here, you're here speaking pure bullshit and making no sense 95% of the time, and the newbie cannot be expected to sort out who here is handling the subtleties and who is a little kid scribbling on research papers with a crayon. Does ya get it that that newbie might be turned off from seeking just because of nutjobs like you posing here as if they knew what was what? > > You're building a most horrid karma for yourself -- you're guaranteeing that you too will be mislead in life by others equally unaware of their own lack of expertise yet willing to lead you into the crapper. I shudder to think what you're going to be suckered into next. > > And, for all those who would say, " Edg, where's your compassion for this conceptual cripple? " -- I say, it besmirches anyone who would indulge a fool when enlightenment is on the line. > > Geo, you're like a guy who just figured out how to masturbate and you've got online and joined a chat-room for children ages 5 - 10 and now you're telling them about SELF pleasuring. > > Look in the mirror. You don't have a PhD in shit one. All your tee shirts are still to be purchased at Walmart. > > My sin? I waste my time looking for a decent conversation where trolls, posers and the utterly lonely collect like fish washed up on shore after the lake is poisoned. > > FUCK! > > Edg > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > There is physical suffering and there is suffering induced by the > > fearful imagination of the ego. > > > > They have been given the same name........but they are not the same. > > Yes, let's split suffering in two, now. > > The more bits and pieces we can get, the better. > > The more thought can divide, the more 'in control' it feels. Yes, interminable analysis is possible that way. And interminable commentary about the analysis that never ends. Including lots of commentary about how the thought-self is not. Smiles, -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
