Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 The truth is that there are not two beings communicating, and never have been. But, try telling this to an imaginary being, whose modus-operandi is loneliness, and the search for 'others'. " But, we must keep 'reaching out', mustn't we? " Out... where? There is nothing out there. Apparently, we must keep 'reaching out' anyway, in order to maintain what's " in here " . Don't expect the loneliness to ever go away as long as one 'in here' continues reaches to an 'out there' when there's nothing in here, and nothing out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 2:53 AM No-communication The truth is that there are not two beings communicating, and never have been. But, try telling this to an imaginary being, whose modus-operandi is loneliness, and the search for 'others'. " But, we must keep 'reaching out', mustn't we? " Out... where? There is nothing out there. Apparently, we must keep 'reaching out' anyway, in order to maintain what's " in here " . Don't expect the loneliness to ever go away as long as one 'in here' continues reaches to an 'out there' when there's nothing in here, and nothing out there. -tim- .....and all that's happening in the now?......to a non-existent > entity? All that... what? I don't remember what was said. I am the attempt to remember, Avoiding 'what is', right now, attempting to remain in the past, as I am totally false, a falsification of what actually is, this moment, as these words are being read, a desperate attempt to hold onto... what was that, again? What was attempted to be held onto? I will, of course, refer back again, because I am anxious to be. -tim- There is no out there or in here except as imagination. There is no inner entity. These are irreversible facts. Nonetheless there is memory. In my world there is a functional memory and trying to deny it is an irrational effort. The entity needs no denial - because it is not existent, but memory IS existent. Because of memory there are rains, winds, stars, nature...and...beauty. Without memory - if it was something possible- there is no beauty, in fact, there is no life. Not a moment of life would be possible without memory. You could not write without it. Remembering what was said means that you are still healthy, sane. Remembering what was said does not imply in the existence of the inner separate entity. You are trying to deny memory altogether - makes no sense. To say you dont remember what was said is stupid, because you know you said something...so you DO remember!! You are just making the wrong effort. Nature, the world, are here and so does beauty - and memory is part of it. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 2:53 AM > No-communication > > > The truth is that there are not two beings communicating, > > and never have been. > > But, try telling this to an imaginary being, > > whose modus-operandi is loneliness, and the search for 'others'. > > " But, we must keep 'reaching out', mustn't we? " > > Out... where? > > There is nothing out there. > > Apparently, we must keep 'reaching out' anyway, > > in order to maintain what's " in here " . > > Don't expect the loneliness to ever go away > > as long as one 'in here' continues reaches to an 'out there' > > when there's nothing in here, and nothing out there. > -tim- > > ....and all that's happening in the now?......to a non-existent > > entity? > > All that... what? > > I don't remember what was said. > > I am the attempt to remember, > > Avoiding 'what is', right now, > > attempting to remain in the past, > > as I am totally false, > > a falsification of what actually is, this moment, > > as these words are being read, > > a desperate attempt to hold onto... > > what was that, again? > > What was attempted to be held onto? > > I will, of course, refer back again, > > because I am anxious to be. > -tim- > > There is no out there or in here except as imagination. > There is no inner entity. These are irreversible facts. Nonetheless there is > memory. In my world there is a functional memory and trying to deny it is an > irrational effort. The entity needs no denial - because it is not existent, > but memory IS existent. Because of memory there are rains, winds, stars, > nature...and...beauty. Without memory - if it was something possible- there > is no beauty, in fact, there is no life. Not a moment of life would be > possible without memory. You could not write without it. Remembering what > was said means that you are still healthy, sane. Remembering what was said > does not imply in the existence of the inner separate entity. You are trying > to deny memory altogether - makes no sense. To say you dont remember what > was said is stupid, because you know you said something...so you DO > remember!! You are just making the wrong effort. Nature, the world, are here > and so does beauty - and memory is part of it. > -geo- > Consciousness is memory, geo. Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 10, 2009 2:53 AM > > No-communication > > > > > > The truth is that there are not two beings communicating, > > > > and never have been. > > > > But, try telling this to an imaginary being, > > > > whose modus-operandi is loneliness, and the search for 'others'. > > > > " But, we must keep 'reaching out', mustn't we? " > > > > Out... where? > > > > There is nothing out there. > > > > Apparently, we must keep 'reaching out' anyway, > > > > in order to maintain what's " in here " . > > > > Don't expect the loneliness to ever go away > > > > as long as one 'in here' continues reaches to an 'out there' > > > > when there's nothing in here, and nothing out there. > > -tim- > > > > ....and all that's happening in the now?......to a non-existent > > > entity? > > > > All that... what? > > > > I don't remember what was said. > > > > I am the attempt to remember, > > > > Avoiding 'what is', right now, > > > > attempting to remain in the past, > > > > as I am totally false, > > > > a falsification of what actually is, this moment, > > > > as these words are being read, > > > > a desperate attempt to hold onto... > > > > what was that, again? > > > > What was attempted to be held onto? > > > > I will, of course, refer back again, > > > > because I am anxious to be. > > -tim- > > > > There is no out there or in here except as imagination. > > There is no inner entity. These are irreversible facts. Nonetheless there is > > memory. In my world there is a functional memory and trying to deny it is an > > irrational effort. The entity needs no denial - because it is not existent, > > but memory IS existent. Because of memory there are rains, winds, stars, > > nature...and...beauty. Without memory - if it was something possible- there > > is no beauty, in fact, there is no life. Not a moment of life would be > > possible without memory. You could not write without it. Remembering what > > was said means that you are still healthy, sane. Remembering what was said > > does not imply in the existence of the inner separate entity. You are trying > > to deny memory altogether - makes no sense. To say you dont remember what > > was said is stupid, because you know you said something...so you DO > > remember!! You are just making the wrong effort. Nature, the world, are here > > and so does beauty - and memory is part of it. > > -geo- > > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. > > Werner > Nevertheless, Werner.. there is something called life (itself) that is *cause and effect*... Love, Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > There is no out there or in here except as imagination. > > > There is no inner entity. These are irreversible facts. Nonetheless there is > > > memory. In my world there is a functional memory and trying to deny it is an > > > irrational effort. The entity needs no denial - because it is not existent, > > > but memory IS existent. Because of memory there are rains, winds, stars, > > > nature...and...beauty. Without memory - if it was something possible- there > > > is no beauty, in fact, there is no life. Not a moment of life would be > > > possible without memory. You could not write without it. Remembering what > > > was said means that you are still healthy, sane. Remembering what was said > > > does not imply in the existence of the inner separate entity. You are trying > > > to deny memory altogether - makes no sense. To say you dont remember what > > > was said is stupid, because you know you said something...so you DO > > > remember!! You are just making the wrong effort. Nature, the world, are here > > > and so does beauty - and memory is part of it. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. > > > > Werner > > > > > Nevertheless, Werner.. there is something called life (itself) that is *cause and effect*... > > Love, > Anna > What ??? I don't understand you, Ana. Can you please explain. ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Consciousness is memory, geo.Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory.Werner Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up consciousness. And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond consciousness....is he insane? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 11:22 AM Re: Re: No-communication Consciousness is memory, geo. Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. Werner Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up consciousness. And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond consciousness....is he insane? Or...consciousness is its content. When that content is emptied what remains? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. > > Werner > > Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up consciousness. Yes surely, Geo, not all memory is making consciousness. > And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. Sorry, I must have missed that question. I can't remember you have aksed it. > You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond consciousness....is he insane? Below follows a small excerpt where K mentioned 'beyond consciousness'. Just decide for yourself if that remark made him insane Werner ........ Krishnamurti: We have said intelligence is beyond consciousness and when the mind is stripped of the psychological elements, in the very stripping there is the uncovering of this intelligence. Or intelligence comes into being in the very stripping. There is the biological survival and intelligence. That is all. Intelligence has no heritage. Consciousness has heritage. We are caught in the becoming within the field of consciousness. Within the fie]d of consciousness we are trying to become. Strip all that. Empty all that. Let the mind empty itself of all that. In the very emptying comes intelligence. ......... > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 11:59 AM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd > consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just > memory. > > Werner > > Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up > consciousness. Yes surely, Geo, not all memory is making consciousness. > And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. Sorry, I must have missed that question. I can't remember you have aksed it. > You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond > consciousness....is he insane? Below follows a small excerpt where K mentioned 'beyond consciousness'. Just decide for yourself if that remark made him insane Werner ........ Krishnamurti: We have said intelligence is beyond consciousness and when the mind is stripped of the psychological elements, in the very stripping there is the uncovering of this intelligence. Or intelligence comes into being in the very stripping. There is the biological survival and intelligence. That is all. Intelligence has no heritage. Consciousness has heritage. We are caught in the becoming within the field of consciousness. Within the fie]d of consciousness we are trying to become. Strip all that. Empty all that. Let the mind empty itself of all that. In the very emptying comes intelligence. ......... geo> " Intelligence is beyond consciousness " . Werner says there is nothing beyond consciousness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 11:59 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd > > consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just > > memory. > > > > Werner > > > > Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up > > consciousness. > > Yes surely, Geo, not all memory is making consciousness. > > > And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. > > Sorry, I must have missed that question. I can't remember you have aksed it. > > > You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond > > consciousness....is he insane? > > Below follows a small excerpt where K mentioned 'beyond consciousness'. Just > decide for yourself if that remark made him insane > > Werner > ....... > Krishnamurti: We have said intelligence is beyond consciousness and when the > mind is stripped of the psychological elements, in the very stripping there > is the uncovering of this intelligence. Or intelligence comes into being in > the very stripping. There is the biological survival and intelligence. That > is all. > Intelligence has no heritage. Consciousness has heritage. We are caught in > the becoming within the field of consciousness. Within the fie]d of > consciousness we are trying to become. Strip all that. Empty all that. Let > the mind empty itself of all that. In the very emptying comes intelligence. > ........ > geo> " Intelligence is beyond consciousness " . Werner says there is nothing > beyond consciousness. > Well....not for us anyway. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no out there or in here except as imagination. > > > > > There is no inner entity. These are irreversible facts. Nonetheless there is > > > > > memory. In my world there is a functional memory and trying to deny it is an > > > > > irrational effort. The entity needs no denial - because it is not existent, > > > > > but memory IS existent. Because of memory there are rains, winds, stars, > > > > > nature...and...beauty. Without memory - if it was something possible- there > > > > > is no beauty, in fact, there is no life. Not a moment of life would be > > > > > possible without memory. You could not write without it. Remembering what > > > > > was said means that you are still healthy, sane. Remembering what was said > > > > > does not imply in the existence of the inner separate entity. You are trying > > > > > to deny memory altogether - makes no sense. To say you dont remember what > > > > > was said is stupid, because you know you said something...so you DO > > > > > remember!! You are just making the wrong effort. Nature, the world, are here > > > > > and so does beauty - and memory is part of it. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, Werner.. there is something called life (itself) that is *cause and effect*... > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > What ??? > > > > I don't understand you, Ana. Can you please explain. ? > > > > Werner > > > > I don't understand the spark of life that some say is *born* and *dies*. And some say never was born, never will die. > > Do you? > > ~A > Who mentioned the 'spark of life', Anna ? I did not, Niz did not, Geo did not etc But if you should have meant thae Niz told 'You are the unborn' then you fell again in the trap of this confusing 'you'. Niz did not say " you are the spark of life " . Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 11:59 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd > > consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just > > memory. > > > > Werner > > > > Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up > > consciousness. > > Yes surely, Geo, not all memory is making consciousness. > > > And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. > > Sorry, I must have missed that question. I can't remember you have aksed it. > > > You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond > > consciousness....is he insane? > > Below follows a small excerpt where K mentioned 'beyond consciousness'. Just > decide for yourself if that remark made him insane > > Werner > ....... > Krishnamurti: We have said intelligence is beyond consciousness and when the > mind is stripped of the psychological elements, in the very stripping there > is the uncovering of this intelligence. Or intelligence comes into being in > the very stripping. There is the biological survival and intelligence. That > is all. > Intelligence has no heritage. Consciousness has heritage. We are caught in > the becoming within the field of consciousness. Within the fie]d of > consciousness we are trying to become. Strip all that. Empty all that. Let > the mind empty itself of all that. In the very emptying comes intelligence. > ........ > geo> " Intelligence is beyond consciousness " . Werner says there is nothing > beyond consciousness. > Ok, Geo, Then just call me insane and we both are happy. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 12:15 PM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 11:59 AM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd > > consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just > > memory. > > > > Werner > > > > Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up > > consciousness. > > Yes surely, Geo, not all memory is making consciousness. > > > And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. > > Sorry, I must have missed that question. I can't remember you have aksed > it. > > > You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond > > consciousness....is he insane? > > Below follows a small excerpt where K mentioned 'beyond consciousness'. > Just > decide for yourself if that remark made him insane > > Werner > ....... > Krishnamurti: We have said intelligence is beyond consciousness and when > the > mind is stripped of the psychological elements, in the very stripping > there > is the uncovering of this intelligence. Or intelligence comes into being > in > the very stripping. There is the biological survival and intelligence. > That > is all. > Intelligence has no heritage. Consciousness has heritage. We are caught in > the becoming within the field of consciousness. Within the fie]d of > consciousness we are trying to become. Strip all that. Empty all that. Let > the mind empty itself of all that. In the very emptying comes > intelligence. > ........ > geo> " Intelligence is beyond consciousness " . Werner says there is nothing > beyond consciousness. > Well....not for us anyway. toombaru Is that how you feel also? nothing beyond consciousness? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, Werner.. there is something called life (itself) that is *cause and effect*... > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > What ??? > > > > I don't understand you, Ana. Can you please explain. ? > > > > Werner > > > > I don't understand the spark of life that some say is *born* and *dies*. And some say never was born, never will die. > > Do you? > > ~A P: Look at the big picture. Matter has one great urge: to come together as close as possible. It shows this urge everywhere: in dust clouds, galaxies, and black holes. Matter if left alone, would become one lump, one single black hole. This urge is called gravity, the material lust. Matter not only loves togetherness, but also loves to chat. Gravity and the exchange of information between particles has lead from chaos to order, and from order to life. There is no life spark, there is only matter's tendency to clump, organize, communicate, and replicate its designs. If matter loves to shrink, space loves to expand and separate. Love and hate, gravity and dark energy. A cosmic war between eternal darkness, and ephemeral light. Take your stand, join the fight. The wise money is betting on the dark side, but everyone agrees is going to be a hell of a long war. Thus speaks the digital Zarathustra. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no out there or in here except as imagination. > > > > > There is no inner entity. These are irreversible facts. Nonetheless there is > > > > > memory. In my world there is a functional memory and trying to deny it is an > > > > > irrational effort. The entity needs no denial - because it is not existent, > > > > > but memory IS existent. Because of memory there are rains, winds, stars, > > > > > nature...and...beauty. Without memory - if it was something possible- there > > > > > is no beauty, in fact, there is no life. Not a moment of life would be > > > > > possible without memory. You could not write without it. Remembering what > > > > > was said means that you are still healthy, sane. Remembering what was said > > > > > does not imply in the existence of the inner separate entity. You are trying > > > > > to deny memory altogether - makes no sense. To say you dont remember what > > > > > was said is stupid, because you know you said something...so you DO > > > > > remember!! You are just making the wrong effort. Nature, the world, are here > > > > > and so does beauty - and memory is part of it. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just memory. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, Werner.. there is something called life (itself) that is *cause and effect*... > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > What ??? > > > > I don't understand you, Ana. Can you please explain. ? > > > > Werner > > > > I don't understand the spark of life that some say is *born* and *dies*. And some say never was born, never will die. > > Do you? > > ~A > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it one day will die. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 10, 2009 12:15 PM > Re: No-communication > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 10, 2009 11:59 AM > > Re: No-communication > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Consciousness is memory, geo. > > > > > > Firing memory neuron are causing that effect which is callesd > > > consciousness. When those neurons are not firing then they are just > > > memory. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Yes consciousness is memory, but not all memory functions make up > > > consciousness. > > > > Yes surely, Geo, not all memory is making consciousness. > > > > > And...I have asked you before but you did not answer. > > > > Sorry, I must have missed that question. I can't remember you have aksed > > it. > > > > > You like K. When krishnamurti talks of that which is beyond > > > consciousness....is he insane? > > > > Below follows a small excerpt where K mentioned 'beyond consciousness'. > > Just > > decide for yourself if that remark made him insane > > > > Werner > > ....... > > Krishnamurti: We have said intelligence is beyond consciousness and when > > the > > mind is stripped of the psychological elements, in the very stripping > > there > > is the uncovering of this intelligence. Or intelligence comes into being > > in > > the very stripping. There is the biological survival and intelligence. > > That > > is all. > > Intelligence has no heritage. Consciousness has heritage. We are caught in > > the becoming within the field of consciousness. Within the fie]d of > > consciousness we are trying to become. Strip all that. Empty all that. Let > > the mind empty itself of all that. In the very emptying comes > > intelligence. > > ........ > > geo> " Intelligence is beyond consciousness " . Werner says there is nothing > > beyond consciousness. > > > > Well....not for us anyway. > > toombaru > > Is that how you feel also? nothing beyond consciousness? > -geo- > The sense of self is the phantom child of conceptualization. For it......there is nothing beyond consciousness. And if there were.......it could never know it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > one day will die. The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > > one day will die. > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. P.S. think of the times when there is an emergency, when the survival of the body is threatened. A flood, a fire, a tsunami, a terrorist attack. That is when the 'me' is *not* there. People " pull together " , so to speak, and help one another. It might do to stop questioning " nature, " and question what is actually the case with human beings, in 'real life' situations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > > one day will die. > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > Good. Now fold that thought over on itself and see that it is the sense of self that is coming up with all those theories. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > The truth is that there are not two beings communicating, > > and never have been. -yes > > But, try telling this to an imaginary being, > > whose modus-operandi is loneliness, and the search for 'others'. -there is nobody in " search for others " , you forgot? > > " But, we must keep 'reaching out', mustn't we? " > > Out... where? -out to an imaginary " place " > > There is nothing out there. -yes > > Apparently, we must keep 'reaching out' anyway, > > in order to maintain what's " in here " . -appearently, yes > > Don't expect the loneliness to ever go away > > as long as one 'in here' continues reaches to an 'out there' > > when there's nothing in here, and nothing out there. - " who & what " could ever be lonely for real? > Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > > > one day will die. > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > Good. > > Now fold that thought over on itself and see that it is the sense > of self that is coming up with all those theories. First off, a 'sense of' something doesn't come up with theories. Secondly -- why is 'another' being told to do something? That is precisely why the " sense of self " hangs around. There is no self without the other, so 'other' is addressed and supposedly instructed, via pure assumption, surmisal, guessing and ego. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 3:01 PM Re: No-communication Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > one day will die. The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. In the other hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that it one day will die. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 10/8/2009 16:48:38 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The sense of self is a survival program and abhors the idea that it > > > > one day will die. > > > > > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. > > > > > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. > > > > > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. > > > > > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. > > > > > > > > > Good. > > > > Now fold that thought over on itself and see that it is the sense > > of self that is coming up with all those theories. > > First off, a 'sense of' something doesn't come up with theories. > > Secondly -- why is 'another' being told to do something? That is precisely why the " sense of self " hangs around. There is no self without the other, so 'other' is addressed and supposedly instructed, via pure assumption, surmisal, guessing and ego. > I do not consider you....or anyone else here.... anything other than a beautifully evolved program that the program here can use to get a glimpse of its own inner workings. The program here takes what comes through your program and applies what is observed to its own program. It is all quite impersonal. I don't care what you do with this information. It is none of my business what you think you do or don't do. But I do thank you for the mirror. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. We differ on this point. > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. They are the same phenomenon. > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. Yes. And it is what is speaking now. > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. Yes. > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of all life forms on earth. In the other > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that it > one day will die. > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to vastness out of which it emerged. toombaru > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 10/8/2009 16:48:38 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 5:32 PM Re: No-communication > > The sense of self is not there for the survival of the body. We differ on this point. > > It is there for the survival of the continuity of thought. The I amness arises concurrently with conceptual thought. They are the same phenomenon. > > The continuity of a ghost-entity, which in truth has no continuity, is > merely an ever-changing series of thoughts. Yes. And it is what is speaking now. > > It is like a repeating habit, not an entity. Yes. > > geo> Yes. The sense of self in fact is harmfull for the body. That doesn't explain the fact that humans have the most successful of all life forms on earth. geo> What explains is the program that takes care of the body but that has nothing to do with a self. In the other > hand, indeed, it is a survival program and indeed abhors the idea that it > one day will die. > > It is programmed to survive and reproduce. It is not part of its program to understand its own relationship to vastness out of which it emerged. geo> The body is progaramed like that much alike any animal. The human organism does not need an imagined inner observer. toombaru > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 10/8/2009 16:48:38 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 10/8/2009 17:53:51 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
