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He is clearing trying to misdirect Srila Prabhupada's flock. When some sheep sees the wolf in sheep's clothing doing mischief they should sound the alarm to warn the other sheep. That is not a lynch mob mentality. Those that demand silence among the sheep become collaboraters with the wolf.

Amen

And which past acarya blessed gay marriages? Therefore he did not reject a GV acarya at all, only a pretenderthat has an interest separate from his spiritual master. Such a personshould not be accepted in the first place, but having done that shouldbe rejected when one gains more knowledge.

All he made was a simple statement. Breach of Vaisnava etiquette???? Soap opera????

Well he mentions Srila Prabhupada respectfully twice. But it seems everyone else knows him. I thought he was a second wave devotee who now came to realize he could get all he needs from Srila Prabhupada,s vani. Anyway glad to see anyone cut themselves free from the homosex crowd and their supporters.

Kind of a circular discussion. Too much thinking? The practice of sadhana bhakti for the GV centers around the Hare Krishna mantra. The first word of which is Hare which is a call to the most merciful aspect of Krishna, Radharani, to be engaged in service.

Bhaktivinode gave the example of two beggars going to the same house and begging for food. One was given a bowl of freshly cooked rice. The other was given water, dry rice, pot and a place to cook it. He said it was really the same thing as both were the mercy of the householder.

I did. It was hilarious.

Well what I got from his short letter was he is dropping H. as a guru figure and is focusing directly on Srila Prabhupada. That is what I call a trade up.

I guess I have the advantage of not knowing his past. Sounds like a good oppurtunity to offer some encouragement KK,s to me.

Well whatever his past position was it appears he has had an epiphany on the subject. People are allowed to change. Why not give the man the benefit of the doubt. Anyway what does his decision have to do with Iskcon?

Right, and why is that? Because the name of God is not a mechanical device. The name of God is a Person and to surrender to the name of God is a personal decision made internally by every jiva. You can shadow chant mechanically for a thousand years without once uttering the Pure Name or one can quickly come to the pure platform if the attitude is right. Anyway this is off topic for this thread. You are posting the same on another thread so let's drop this on this thread.

Makes perfect sense. He didn't buy into the explanation given by H, same as a lot of us. Knowing what Srila Prabhupada's views on the subject were he was unwilling to deviate from Prabhupada's example even to the point of rejection his current guru. It is obvious he has chosen Srila Prabhupada as his guru.

My Relationship With Hridayananda BY: KRISHNA-KIRTI DAS Feb 14, USA (SUN) — Dear Devotees, Hare Krishna and please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Asmany of you know, for many years I have been an initiated disciple ofHridayananda Goswami. However, on account of recent news of hisblessing of homosexual nuptials and his less-than-straightforwardresponse to the devotee community about his involvement, I haveformally ended my relationship with him as his disciple. That is all. Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada, Krishna Kirti Das

Yes but it is not an automatic, mechanical transformation requiring no internal work on the part of the practioner.

Yes but one can also remain in the instituion, depending on if it is a conducive situation for him but he can't remain with the false sense of security that the institution offers. No substitute for a change of heart.

Yes but it is not an automatic, mechanical transformation requiring no internal work on the part of the practioner.

The myth is that during the time Prabhupada was with us everything in Iskcon was fine. It wasn't. Prabhupada was fine but everyone else had their demons to wrestle thru. There is not now or ever in the future going to be a religious institution free from blemish or scandal. The trick is to take Krishna consciousness out of the mess and leave the rest. The target for reform is not directly Iskcon as many think. The target for reform remains ourselves from the inside out. Gurukrpa Memories - Apathy giving way to Rage! BY: SURESH DASA Feb 14, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA, (SUN) — I have been reading the various articles written by Gurukrpa, hisfriends, admirers, and supporters. I am struck by feelings of apathy,disbelief, sadness, and despair, finally giving way to rage over theirremembrances of his past as a glorious ISKCON leader and authority. Ihave been tolerating all these various rants, trying my best to stay aspatient as possible towards them. But I just can’t contain myselfanymore. Somebody has to say something and tell the truth about howthings really were in ISKCON’s past during Srila Prabhupada’s presence. Whyare we lead to believe that Gurukrpa is any better than any of theother usurpers who run ISKCON today in the form of Zonal-Acaryas, GBC,and Initiating Gurus? Does anyone really know Gurukrpa’s past? Isanyone honest enough to tell the truth, without getting all starry-eyedabout our glorious service to ISKCON? Gurukrpano doubt has his name on a column at the Krsna Balaram Mandir inVrndavan, giving him all the credit for collecting the laxmi needed tobuild that temple. But all the slave-labor book distributors andcollectors that he ground into the dust and burned to ashes are nothingmore than forgotten rank-and-file devotees, who were the actualcollectors of that money. Is no credit given to the Japanese peoplethat Gurukrpa and his Sankirtan party ripped off to collect that money? Gurukrpa’scollecting techniques were so hard-driving aggressive, that he and hisparty single-handedly receive the credit for ISKCON being kicked out ofJapan and removed from that country. Apparently there were also someforms of hush-hush illegal activity as well, and even possibly murderinvolved in the collecting of that money in Japan. So why give him allthe credit and praise for building two temples that were built basednot on the love and kindness that ISKCON portrays itself to represent(hiding behind its books and philosophy), but on force, coercion, andpile-driving cruelty to the devotees and non-devotees alike. Ipersonally remember Gurukrpa as a sannyasi in the San Francisco templearound 1973-74. He and Yasodanandana Swami back then were fire-brand,intense, angry, hellfire-and-brimstone sannyasis. Their famous linewas, “I kept my poker in my pants”, as their reason for takingsannyasa, and why they were superior to all the other devotees presentthere. Theyalways employed a heavy-handed style in their dealings with thedevotees and non-devotees alike. I remember when Gurukrpa and someother leaders, came up with the “final solution” - and kicked all thewomen out of the San Francisco temple, turning it into an all-maletemple. I remember all those proud brahmacaris and sannyasis who hadfinally made the solution to the “woman problem” in ISKCON, all endingup getting married or running off with women, including none less thanGurukrpa and Yasodanandana Swamis themselves. Fromtime to time I run into Gurukrpa Swami’s daughter (a woman today in herlate 20’s). She told me recently that Gurukrpa suffers from a heroin addiction. Sowhat finally drove me over the edge to say something, and to bringmyself to write and object? It was Gurukrpa’s remembrance of hisglorious traveling Sankirtan memories. He remembers with pride how heand his devotees slept in a van and bathed daily in rivers on travelingSankirtan, while collecting their laxmi. I remember that experiencetoo. I was distributing books and collecting money seven days a week,as a traveling Sankirtan slave, as well. I remember realizing back thenhow much I was probably worth to ISKCON for collecting their money -about fifty cents a day. That’s how much it cost for us to go to a carwash each morning and get a power wash as our morning shower. TheSankirtan leaders were too penny-pinching to put the traveling devoteesup in even the cheapest of motels for the night. So instead we had tosleep in cold, hard vans or on the ground, and in the morning the POWERWASH! Has anybody bathed in a river lately? They are all eitherpolluted or freezing cold. What is so glorious about being so cheap youcan’t give a devotee who is collecting money all day and night, without any pay, or even a little time off, a warm room and a hot shower?That’s what I had to look forward to in life. Of course sometimes wewould come back to the temple to wash pots, scrub floors, and cleanstool rooms, as our special reward for our service. ----

Such a strong statement. I have to ask myself if I have ever made an offering to the Lord in this consciousness and the answer is no. So where does that leave me?' On the outside looking in' is where. The honey is in the jar but I am trying to enjoy it through the glass. Devotional service is internal and not institutional. The externals are necessary to keep us in the game until we realize this and open up and release our loving attitude towards Krishna. This is only done personally one by one.

I see this story as an illustration of the advent of kali-yuga and not so much a happening between a handful of characters.

This is good. I never really considered the difference between a hallucination and illusion before. Krishna is right before our eyes but we mistake his presence to be something else. We are in illusion.

Paroksa? Or how else do you explain a bull standing on one leg?

There is a basic premise that many people have wrong. It is not or has it ever been the acaryas duty or mission to point out the next pure representative of Krishna. That Krishna alone does. I find Prabhupada's books chock full of this teaching to the exclusion of all other schemes and plans. We were well warned. Did not Srila Prabhupada point out the troubles that arose immediately after Srila Bhaktisiddhanta left his body? It is also Krishna's doing who comes to the acarya to be taught. It is then up to Krishna to enlighten those souls from within to transcendental knowledge. Krishna awards that to the sincere seeker from within. The guru's job is to engage those Krishna brings to him in devotional service in proportion to the amount they are willing to serve. I am really sick and tired of people blaming Prabhupada because they were victimized by some charleton disguized as a devotee; "O why didn't he make it clear how the parampara was to continue. " He made it crystal clear in practically every page of his books. One must hear Krishna consciousness from the right source. How to find the right source? By the grace of Krishna one gets guru and by the grace of guru one gets Krishna. The material world is the place for false religion to flourish. Why be surprised when you see it happen right before your eyes? Transcendental realization is for the rare few and attachment to the externals of religion are for the masses. It's entirely up to us which camp we will gravitate to.

Some really bored people with a twisted state of mind looking for some cheap entertainment. Sick for sure.