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I wud like bring here what Srila prabhupada said in one of his lectures. He says there are basically four ways to bless 4 different types of people 1. You die soon , live not! - This is for ascetic to whom this world is very very difficult to live with. So he is sure to enter Lord's kingdom after his death cos of his ascetic living here 2. You live long, die not-- This is for the prince as he must have been / is leading a very very sinful life and god knows what kinda body he is gonna get when he dies , so better live long 3. Die NOT, Live NOT - This is for a butcher , who if lives will have to kill and will have blood stains on his hand everyday, and if dies will be damned to the dowm most hell 4. You die or Live - Thats for the vaisnawa! cos wherevere he goes he takes the Lord in his heart and by doing so he lives always in Vaikunta So , its rather difficult to change this world (forget about killin ), infact as the lord himself says Dukhalyam Asahashwatam, this world is miserable and very very temporory. So intelligent ones should start finding ways to somehow get deliverd from it and reach his lotus lovely feet to serve eternaly. Try for a better world then you don need to change the current. Till you are here you have to bear with whats there around. Afterall everybody reeps for what everybody sew for. Hari hari bol

what you did was perfect and according to the Vedic body of knowledge. Afterall the marriages are made not to gratify one's senses, if so then there is no need to marry, one can have it without getting married.(even the dogs and hogs have it) The prime purpose behind marriage is to beget children. I damn at that husband as well who just satisfies his wife lust every night without lettin her know the actual purpose behind it. What can distrub the one who has realised that the same Visnu who protects and delivers rests in one's own heart. Hope that brings you some peace Hari hari bol

Mostly if one sees the beliefs, faiths , rituals and many more of such things are nowadays done or practised only for certain material gain. The mind has been forced to read that if " I do this then I am sure to get this in return and If I dont then there is a FEAR that I wouldnt get that ". And as result eventhough sometimes some faiths tend to appear entirely nonsense ,the people not only tend to follow but also tend to advocate such thought, as they wud have had some great (so called) material gains by havig such a thought or faith or whatsoever one calls it as , and there is a great FEAR that one would loose whatever one has gained if one diverts from that stuff. When one is only concerned with the spiritual gain then there is no conflict with the thougts inside and the ones which show outside. Infact they become very neutral, deviod of any material gain. Then the mind thinks there is actually nothing in this world to win or loose, ther is actually nothing to gain or loose. And most importantly this kind a people are very very few in this formum (in the world) and as result i guess your thread!!!! Rememeber all the confusion herein is genarated only because of the biased and localised openions genarated by the materialistic (or sometimes mixure of) minds. If there is a great spiritual conquest , thirst and desire for this tiny mind, then there remains no confusion, chaos ot any kind of turbulance as one is situated in the right and purest platform. Know that " ONE THAT IS IN AND OUT DWELLS BUT STILL DOESNT IS THE SUPREME " Hari Hari bol

Just think that we are here cos we wanted! thats all, the rest just follow and we will be back, back to godhead only if we want again! Chant hari nama and the return is gauranteed Hari hari bol

Ego cant be taken over everyone is an individual soul - the part and the parcel of the supreme Lord Krishan as Gita confirms. Yet a false ego of ones thinkin oneself as a material body has to be removed. The difference of these two has to be clearly understood at first hand. hari hari bol

Both have -same skript -to certain extent similar grammatical construction Sanskrith is very rich as the words have very cariety of meaning depending on the context and grammatical usage , where as Hindi is much simpler and a derivative of the former -Sanskrith is the mother of all the langauges so if for hindi -A speakere of hindi can have proper accent while speaking sankrith the above is just a tip of iceberg Hari hari bol

For everything you do we have only one word SHANTHI......... /images/graemlins/grin.gif I never understand which shanthi Gandhi was talking about! is she the one who brings milk to my house every morning..--. /images/graemlins/confused.gif As prabhupada said , we were much happier under the british i guess!! this independence has brought nothing more than more curruption, more unemployement and wholly chaotic atmosphere , wherin all adharims are ruling and get chance to ruling on the basis of so called democracy (where in as prabhupada quotes the foolish and low cast men get a chance to choose their leaders- and as a result they choose one of their kind). Only hari can potect in such a situation!!!! hari hari bol

The word Naga comes from the Sanskrit, meaning "serpent." Naga can also mean "cobra." But the term also has come to refer to a group of serpent deities and demi-humans, which is what concerns us most, here. The most powerful Nagas are at the very root of Hindu Mythology, in the Vedas and the Puranas, which when at last passing out of the Vedic oral tradition and into written texts, had no doubt been well influenced by the snake worshipping tales of the conquered Harappan peoples of the Indus Valley (who are also sometimes referred to as Nagas) with whom they lived for hundreds of years. The Nagas have three kings. The first and greatest is Sheshnaga, born of the residue left over after creation, with 1,000 heads formed into a giant hood. Earth is said to rest on his hood, and his venom ends all of creation at the end of each great cycle of life. Vishnu uses him as a couch. The second is Vasuki, who plays an important role in the Hindu cosmogenic tale of the "Churning of the sea of milk." It was at a time when the Gods were weak, and the Demons strong. The Gods were being driven out of their heavens. But Lord Visnu suggested a plan -- by churning the cosmic sea of milk, they could dredge up the elixir or immortality from the bottom, and so gain the strength to take back their heavens and defeat the demons. But to churn the cosmic sea was too much for just the Gods alone to do, so a truce was called and the demons assisted, hoping to gain the elixir for themselves. So they went about making the biggest milk-churn the world has ever known, using Mount Mandara as the churn/pivot, and the Serpent King Vasuki as the rope. They wound Vasuki around the Mount, and then, the Gods grabbing the tail and the demons grabbing his seven heads, proceeded to pull the great serpent back and forth, turning the mountain and churning the ocean. Needless to say, the whole thing was making Vasuki a bit nauseus, and he kept belching fire into the demons faces, while the Gods had partly cloudy skies and a nice breeze on their end. Finally Vasuki couldn't take it any more, and vomited up a great poisonous cloud, threatening to kill everything and everyone, gods and demons included. But Shiva popped down and swallowed the poison, saving the world, and turning his throat blue at the same time. Eventually the Gods get their elixir, trick the demons out of theirs, and Vasuki heads out, waiting for the next time the Gods decide to use him for tug-of-war. The third Naga King is Taksaka, who rather than having cosmic importance, could really be considered more of the tribal chieftain. His story kicks off the epic Mahabharat. A powerful king, out hunting, meets an ascetic in the woods. He speaks to the wise man but the ascetic makes no response. Angered, the King kills a snake and drapes it over the yogi's neck, who is unmoved. When the ascetic's son sees what has happened, he curses the King to die, and calls upon Taksaka, the Naga King, to take revenge. The yogi is not happy about the curse, and sends a disciple to warn the King. But Taksaka is far to clever. He sends some Nagas, disguised as hermits, to the King, and they offer him fruit. The King takes the fruit, from which Taksaka, disguised as an insect, emerges. He stings the King, who is killed instantly. And so, it is his son's turn to take revenge. He vows vengeance on Taksaka, and by summoning a priest who uses a powerful spell, a sacrd fire is created which consumes the snakes one by one. The young man is intent on ridding the world of snakes once and for all, but just as Taksaka himself is about to be consumed by fire, a great sage intervenes and spares his life. After this, the Nagas retreat to the underworld, promising to bit only the truly evil, or those destined to die prematurely anyway. Serpent Maidens and Mothers The Naga, a race of semi-divine snake people who inhabit the Naga-loka underworld with Taksaka as their King, have inspired and continue to inspire legends and stories. But it is especially the women of this race, the Nagin, who have captured the imagination the most. These serpent princesses are said to be strikingly beautiful, but with the power to transform at will, to a cobra, or to a half-snake, half-human figure. A precious gem is embedded in their skulls which give them magical powers. These beautiful snake women are, apparently, the marrying kind. Arjun, hero of the Mahabharat, takes as one of his wives the Nag Princess Ulupi. In a tale familiar to Chinese and Japanese myth, though with different principal characters, Ulupi spies Arjun doing his religious practices, falls in love, and abducts him to live in her underwater kingdom. He marries her, and lives there for three years, before she allows him to leave and continue his journey, providing him protection from all underwater creatures. Out of legend and into claims of historic authenticity, it is interesting that several royal families in India claim to have Nagi in their family tree. The Royalty of Manipur, in North Eastern India, traces their lineage back to 33 AD, beginning with a union between a serpent princess and a human. In Southern India, the Pallavas does the same. There are all kinds of legends about snake maidens, down by the river, who fall in love with and marry human men who demonstrate some act of kindness. One of the best known legends of the Nagi is about a serpent mother, not a maiden, and in snake form, not in human. A farmer, while tilling his field, manages to kill a nest full of young serpents. The mother, on her return, sees the dead snakes and becomes furious. She bites the farmer, his wife, and their children while they are sleeping, killing them all. The farmers eldest daughter, already married and living out of town, takes some time to get to. When the snake mother arrives, she catches the daughter in the middle of worshipping an image of a snake, asking for forgiveness for mistakes made by her family. This makes the mother snake feel like a complete asp, and so she gives the daughter some nectar to bring her family back to life, and leaves in peace. hari hari bol

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I see the verse has been seriuosly misinterpretated. This is the thing what happens when people who re not realised, who are not in the line of the Brahma, Madhva gaudiya paprampara make the intepretation over the scriptures . How can one say the sentense like "Similarly, all the purposes of the Vedas can be served to one who knows the purpose behind them." is similar to or same to the sentance like so unnecessary are the scriptures to someone who has seen the truth And then this age of kali where the poeple in genaral ( including vaishnawa or brahmana) have very low memory, its very well needed to refer them now and then to lead correct and dharmic life, this is quite evident i believe Scriptures are important even for vaishnawa, he leads his and others life using them , however the usage coud be tangible or intangible. hari hari bol

this is snake worship, right? correct me if i am wrong . No nagas mean cobras perhaps the earliest people in india, maybe going back to 6000 or 7000 or 8000 BC may have been naga worshippers. if i am not mistaken i think it also is connected somehow to shaivism no? Both shaiva and vaishnawas worhsip nagas as for the shaiva Naga represents the one on the Lord Shivas neck and for the vaishnawas he is the Anantha (on which Lord vishu is in his yoga nidra). The basic purpose of the naga worshipping is to get the grace of thier masters(i.e visnu or Shiva) so that one can get mukthi. But as you know all the demigod worship has been destorted now, people just worship them for the material gain forgetting the actual purpose. and for this reason Krishna in Gita recommondes to worhsip only Him . or maybe there are just more snakes in south india. i dont know. Snakes are everywhere but the worshippable are very few just likfe one cant worship every human being only a reverrable and godly personality is worshipped am i right in saying nagas are snakes? No as I already said , only cobras are worshipped Hope that help Hari hari bol

Ba bye to the thread no more questions hari hari bol

In the place where I was born and grown , there is a very peculiar tradition of worshipping Nagas (as called as Nagadevta). Every family will have thier own diety of the same and all these dietis will be kept together and worshiped and its done especially on panchami. Couple of days back it was Nagara Panchami, meaning a day which is especailly dedicated to Nagas and to the king of all these Nagas i.e. Shesha Naga who serves Krishna eternally in his Visnu form in the midst of causal ocean, who is always served by his most beloved Mata Lakshmi. Its quite peculiar that this tradition of worhsippin Nagas -intern worshipping the Shesha naga is not prevalent in many parts of India, and also most of the people dont even know about this tradtion can anybody throw some light on this? views are always appreciated hari hari bol

"As unnecessary as a well is to a village on the banks of a river, Thats a wrong analogy! Nobody can drink river water (as its very very salty) , in any case you need a well at home. Thats my personal experience so unnecessary are the scriptures to someone who has seen the truth - No thats wrong, even for him its a tool to lead the others to truth By the way for which verse in Gita you have intepreted like this? can you please put a detailed reference from Gita like Chapter, verse and so on. Hari Hari bol

If you openup you heart You will know what I mean We have been polluted so long And there is a way to get clean By chanting the names of the lord you will be free The Lord Sri Krishna is waiting on us all to awaken and see ----George Harrison (beatles) Hari Hari bol

here are some verses which I wud say only a tip of iceberg, for more you can even refer Garuda purna wherein you can find what will be the punishment for such a fool sulapani sama yadi vaishnavere ninde tathapiha nasa paya -- kahe shastra vrinde "Even if some one of the level of the supremely powerful devotee and gunavatara Lord Shiva blasphemes a devotee, he will soon be destroyed. This is the verdict of all the scriptures." (CB Madhya 22.56) iha na maniya ye sujana-ninda kare janme janme se papistha daive dose mare "Sinful people who ignore the above fact and critcize devotees suffer the heaviest of all punishment of providence birth and birth."(57) anyera ki daya gaura-simhera janani tanhare o vaisnavaparadha kari gani "What to speak of others, even the supreme mother of the Supreme Lord Himself Gaura Simha was not exempt from being considered an offender of a Vaishnava." (58) prabhu bale -- upadesa kahite se pari vaisnavaparadha ami khandaite nari Lord Gauranga Himself replied -- " I can give instructions how to eliminate the aparadha (like in the case of Durvasa and Ambarish), but I Myself even though being the Supreme Lord am unable to destroy an offense against a Vaishnava." (32) It is not in any Puranas, Gita or even in practise. Where did such nonsense comes from? And coming to the funda- Gurur brahma Gurur Visno Gurur devo Maheshwara, Gurur Sakhshath parbrahma , tasmai sri gurve namaha I dun think one needs any other proof other than this simple verse Hari hari bol

There is a saying only a well educated jeweler can value a precious stone, it will have no value when it goes into the hands of a monkey. Similarly only those know the value of these organisation who have suffered a lot because of muslim harrassment, barbarism and many more soul killing activities can know its value. Mere a person sitting in his house (may it be a Hindu)with a lots of luxury can never understand the value, and then what speak about tolerance. Ignorance is on your side bandhu, try browsing aorund, ask mulsim affected familiies , learn some history books , and if not enough refer to Madahv (one of the members in this forum) and he will let you know what does tolerance actually mean when it comes to these beef eaters. hari hari bol

Satya Yuga - Good in one planet and the bad in the other Treta Yuga - Good and bad on the same planet (Rama and ravana) Dwapara yuga - Good and bad in the same family (Pandava and kaurava) Kaliyuga- Good and bad are in the same person - thats reely sucking , so chant hari nama and become clean and good Hari Hari bol

I guess even if the family names are same , if the gotras are differnt then the marriages can take place . Hari hari bol

http://www.geocities.com/godkalki/aboutgod.html thats the funniest website I have ever seen in my Life hari hari bol

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I guess the most prominant is the the spiritual part of it, which the west never undertsood Hari hari bol

I have nevere heard any spiritual out here! The thoughts are more or less Morality Hari hari bol

Pure - Shuddh (a) Sunshine - Prabha (e) Dew - Manju rain- Varuna (e) hari hari bol

I agree with that!!! Hari hari bol