Maitreya

Satyaraja,

Please reread the example of trying to light a fire while pouring some water on the wood.

MC

To such bewildered persons of atheistic propensity, Lord Buddha is the emblem of theism. He therefore first of all wanted to check the habit of animal-killing. The animal-killers are dangerous elements on the path going back to Godhead. There are two types of animal-killers. The soul is also sometimes called the “animal” or the living being. Therefore, both the slaughterer of animals and those who have lost their identity of soul are animal-killers.

Mahäräja Pariksit said that only the animal-killer cannot relish the transcendental message of the Supreme Lord. Therefore if people are to be educated to the path of Godhead, they must be taught first and foremost to stop the process of animal-killing as above mentioned. It is nonsensical to say that animal-killing has nothing to do with spiritual realization.

SB 1.3.24 purport excerpt

SB 1.17 the whole chapter is good to read on this point.

Satyaraja, you know these things.Why are you arguing?

MC

This exact conversation came up on VNN some time back.Of course nothing was resolved but there were some fun times,people were posting dancing carrots etc.

I gotta go anyway, its chore time, time to milk the carrots.

MC

Originally posted by atma:

How do men sort their laundry?

 

"Filthy" and "Filthy and Wearable"

 

Yeah, but there is reason behind that one.Underware stains don't show so you can get more mileage out of them.

It's a good idea.Big topic when we think of religious practices,animal slaughter, receipes etc.

Important as well.Praksit Maharaja said the Personality of Godhead won't reveal Himself to those engaged in animal slaughter.

And Prabhupada always brought it up when speaking to Christians.

Cow protection is vital for a society.

Also the word vegetarian must get a lot of hits from search engines, so we may get some interesting guests dropping by.

MC

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

 

So these are just some examples of how the word corn in scattered throughout the Bible. So shall we conclude that the Bible is wrong? Or that the Bible is simply a modern interpolation? The answer is no and the reason deals with the evolution of language. Language is fluid and constantly changes. The King James Version of the Bible was first published in 1604. At that time the old English word corn referred to any generic form of grain (very often wheat). But over the last few hundred years, language has changed. Today most people think of corn as that New World crop that goes great with butter, or eaten popped at the movie theater. But that is not what the Bible is referring to in these passages. Now the reference to pumpkin is even more rare and only found in some versions of the Bible. This is more likely just a bad translation rather than language evolution.

 

Gauracandra

 

 

Along the same lines,the word meat in the Bible originally refered to food or nourishment.As in "the fruits of the trees and green herbs shall be your meat."Genesis

Once I was reading some translation of the Bible and it listed the diet of John the Baptist as grasshoppers and wild honey.This translation was from another english translation in which it read locusts and wild honey.

What they didn't know was locust refers to a tree, the locust tree or carob tree.John ate carob pods from the locust tree.They are also called locust beans.The seeds from these pods is the source for locust bean gum which is added to some food products.Even now you can by St. John's Bread from health food stores and herb shops.Carob pods, not grasshoppers.

Big difference at lunch time.

MC

Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

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A mere coincidence or not, the vegetables forbidden by these lists are the same that are considered as 'mleccha' by most of the traditional lines. The Radha-ramana mandir in Vrindavana, for example, follows strictly these lists and never uses any of the vegetables mentioned therein. Many other temples do the same, such as Sri Jagannatha, Sri Rangam, and so on. These events may corroborate the thesis that the problems of translation and interpolations in smrti texts are not the only cause of the ban of these vegetables.

 

dasa dasanudasa

Satyaraja dasa

It may say the opposite too.If these vegetables were not native to India why mention them to be banned.

Could it be they were banned simply as a reaction to colonialism?"We don't want you or your stinking tomatos...well except for certain chutnies."

Yes, like to familial conflicts that many of us went through when we entered Prabhupada's temples.My parents a year or two later were even on the verge of hiring a deprogrammer/kidnapper.Others parents did.

Jesus also said that we should not conceive of anyone on earth as father for there is only one Father of us all.

The peace found in the material world is like the peace one finds in a stagnant pond.

Better war were Krishna is,than peace were He is not.

MC

Single handedly,standing poised in the midst of the battlefield,she rains arrow after arrow from her quiver that never empties. Scattering the males that once stood opposing her,like whimpering dogs fleeing the sudden appearance of a lioness roaring.

She smiles as the rain of arrows continues.

Have we no heroes to oppose her?

premananda, concerning your post above; an open mind that is agile enough to change course when necessary is a beautiful thing.

It is a good example,rarely seen.

Please accept my respects.

YS MC

Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

In smrti texts that mention rules and regulations concerning diet such as Padma Purana and Vahara Purana there are interesting consideration in this regard. The smrti clears states that fruits, roots and some vegetables do not get impressed by any samskara.

 

That means that no karma may be transferred by these foodstuffs, that are always considered pure and not suitable to be polluted by any impressions. In other words, if one fry potatoes with some impurities like a slice of beef for example, the potatoes will never get the samskaras of the beef. Never. Only very ignorant people would argue otherwise. It would be the same as to consider Ganga's water polluted by a cow's cadaver.

 

So a potato is as pure as the Ganga, and even if it is covered and has aborbed beef juice it is considered pure?But a carrot, another root is considered meat, even if it has not touched meat.Too strange for me,sorry I don't mean to offend anyone, but this makes no sense.

 

YS MC

 

 

 

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Satyaraja,

On the carrots are like meat idea; can you or anyone else give me any logical reason why I should consider a carrot, meat?

Sounds like a superstition to me.

YS MC

One herb that has been used for thousands of years as a brain tonic and aid to mediative practices is Calamus Root, known also as Sweet Flag and in sanskrit as Vacha.

It is said to purify and revitalize the brain and nervous system.

From the book The Yoga of Herbs by Vasant Lad and David Frawley on Calamus:

"It clears the subtle channels of toxins and obstructions.It promotes cerebral circulation, increases sensitivity, sharpens memory and enhances awareness.It is sattvic and one of the best herbs for the mind along with brahmi[gotu kola]."

It is said to counter the ill effects of ganja.It also promotes memory.Along with its chemical components that strengthen the nuerons it also increases cerebral circulation bringing a rich supply of nutrients and oxygen to the brain cells.

A well feed neuron is a happy neuron.

Some hippies have read that calamus can give you visions, so they are trying to get high on this herb.To get this effect they try to chew large amounts of the root, which has a HORRIBLE taste.On top of that in moderate doses it acts an an emetic which means it induces vomiting.

For cognitive enhancement buy the root in small pieces and grind in a small coffee grinder into a powder and either take with orange juice or encapsulate in Vegi-caps.Take one or two caps or just a third of a teaspoonful.Adjust the dose as you develop a feel for its action.Start on the small dose side and increase as needed.

I have purchase pre-powered root and it seems much less effective, so take the time to grind it yourself.

According to yogi lore it clears and strenthens the subtle nadis,ida pingala and shushumna, and thus has been a favorite of some practioners of kundalini yoga.

The first effects are noticed an hour or two after ingesting, at least that is how it works on me.Give it a daily try for a couple of weeks.Don't take late at night or it may interfer with sleep.It has stimulating properties but as a nervine it acts to calm the nerves as well.No coffee type jitters.

It is also very inexpensive as you use such small doses.

Jaya Dhanvantari!

Happy herbing

MC

Patronizing such establishments seems to me to be a type of association, whether one eats the meat or not.In any case, the following is interesting and instructive.

TRANSLATION

“Actually we belong to the caste of meat-eaters because we are servants of meat-eaters. Indeed, our activities are exactly like those of the meat-eaters. Because we always associate with such people, we are inimical toward the cows and brähmanas.”Madhya 1.197

PURPORT

There are two kinds of meat-eaters—one who is born in a family of meat-eaters and one who has learned to associate with meat-eaters. From Srila Rüpa and Sanätana Gosvämis (formerly Dabira Khäsa and Säkara Mallika) we can learn how one attains the character of a meat-eater simply by associating with meat-eaters. At the present moment in India the presidential offices are occupied by many so-called brähmanas, but the state maintains slaughterhouses for killing cows and makes propaganda against Vedic civilization. The first principle of Vedic civilization is the avoidance of meat-eating and intoxication. Presently in India, intoxication and meat-eating are encouraged, and the so-called learned brähmanas presiding over this state of affairs have certainly become degraded according to the standard given herein by Srila Rüpa Gosvämi and Sanätana Gosvämi. These so-called brähmanas give sanction to slaughterhouses for the sake of a fat salary, and they do not protest these abominable activities. By deprecating the principles of Vedic civilization and supporting cow-killing, they are immediately degraded to the platform of mlecchas and yavanas. A mleccha is a meat-eater, and a yavana is one who has deviated from Vedic culture. [excerpt]

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Gauracandra,

I had noted your question earlier on another thread, and also noticed that no one answered it.

Here is something related,for us all to consider, the initiation of Rupa and Sanatan Goswamis' by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

TRANSLATION

“My dear Säkara Mallika, from this day your names will be changed to Srila Rüpa and Srila Sanätana. Now please abandon your humility, for My heart is breaking to see you so humble. Madhya 1.208

PURPORT

Actually this is Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s initiation of Dabira Khäsa and Säkara Mallika. They approached the Lord with all humility, and the Lord accepted them as old servants, as eternal servants, and He changed their names. [excerpt]

They approached and petitioned with great humility for mercy and the Lord granted their desire.The Lord then instructed all the assembled Vaisnava's to give them their mercy as well.

Still looking for an example as you described, but haven't found it yet.

Hare Krishna,

YS MC

Gauracandra,

I had noted your question earlier on another thread, and also noticed that no one answered it.

Here is something related,for us all to consider, the initiation of Rupa and Sanatan Goswamis' by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

TRANSLATION

“My dear Säkara Mallika, from this day your names will be changed to Srila Rüpa and Srila Sanätana. Now please abandon your humility, for My heart is breaking to see you so humble. Madhya 1.208

PURPORT

Actually this is Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s initiation of Dabira Khäsa and Säkara Mallika. They approached the Lord with all humility, and the Lord accepted them as old servants, as eternal servants, and He changed their names. [excerpt]

They approached and petitioned with great humility for mercy and the Lord granted their desire.The Lord then instructed all the assembled Vaisnava's to give them their mercy as well.

Still looking for an example as you described, but haven't found it yet.

Hare Krishna,

YS MC

Yes the whole atmosphere of the place is contaminated.You can sense it even walking past these places.Hellish vibes radiate and hang in the ether.Not fit to enter just to drink water, even if it's free.

And I thought it was going to be gods, as in men are like gods.

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Fellow souls,

How are we to define Krishna consciousness?

Is it not the natural fulfilled state of the soul?What do the residents of the Spiritual Sky have to do with religion?

Krishna tells us in the Gita to abandon all these karma and jnana based mundane faiths and just surrnder unto Him.This is also what Christ taught, surrender to the Supreme Person.So we can see Krishna consciousness there as well.

If someone has developed unmotivated devotional service in love to God that is the test.

We can accept this essence anywhere we see it.That is non-sectarian.

Krishna consciousness is not Hinduism, Christianity or Islam although degrees of Krishna consciousness can be found in all three.

And where we find it we can celebrate it.

YS MC

shvu,interesting.Harrapons? I thought that this was the general area, off Gujarat, where Dwaraka was but I have never been very clear on the geography.

Where was Dwaraka?And has any evidence been found?

shvu?anyone?

Bhajananandi and goshy-anandi, different moods.

PD you are in the preaching mood.Very evangelical like.You like to argue against the siksa-parampara over and over.

How do you consider the guru disciple relationship between Krishna and Arjuna?

YS MC

Bhajananandi and goshy-anandi, different moods.

PD you are in the preaching mood.Very evangelical like.You like to argue against the siksa-parampara over and over.

How do you consider the guru disciple relationship between Krishna and Arjuna?

YS MC

Originally posted by shvu:

Neither does it say that one must refrain from eating meat. The key point is that Jesus himself doesn't seem to have made such a comment although there was enough vegetation 2000 years back.

 

Unless he did say so and the people who wrote the bible left that out.

 

Cheers

 

 

Well it is forbidden and can be seen by negation."Here is what you shall eat, the fruits of the trees and the green herbs". Meat is excluded.Like in the Gita, Krishna gives a list of what He is willing to accept.Meat is not on it.Some may say neither is milk, so that can get carried to extremes. But we can see the general plan was obviously to live in a way that is as non-violent as possible.

I'm not sure what that region had for vegetation 2000 years ago, it is in the dessert, a barren type land.What Israel has done in the last 50 years may make it a far cry from what it was then.

But even eatting the meat was restricted to types of animals and you had to remove all the blood to make it kosher.Good luck on that one.

From what ever point religion starts it must move towards the sattva-guna in it's practices.

YS MC

 

Dear , I do not want to give any criticism and make an offence to any Vaisnava. But, you are asking, so I am replying. All Vaisnavas please forgive me if there is any offense.

 

 

In Radha Kunda there are many babajis. Many persons there are doing bhajana sadhana with a pure mood. But many more persons there have an impure mood.

 

 

 

I don't see any slander or gossip.He acknowledges some are at Radha Kunda with a pure mood.Others with an inpure mood.

The name of who is speaking about is left blank in the post.

I just don't get your crusade PD.The GM side seems willing to acknowledge deviations among their own group.But some seem to consider anyone with babaji after his name to be genuine.All that is being cautioned in the article is that one be discriminating between the pure and impure at Radha Kunda and not a wholesale condemnation as you seem to imply.

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Dear , I do not want to give any criticism and make an offence to any Vaisnava. But, you are asking, so I am replying. All Vaisnavas please forgive me if there is any offense.

 

 

In Radha Kunda there are many babajis. Many persons there are doing bhajana sadhana with a pure mood. But many more persons there have an impure mood.

 

 

 

I don't see any slander or gossip.He acknowledges some are at Radha Kunda with a pure mood.Others with an inpure mood.

The name of who is speaking about is left blank in the post.

I just don't get your crusade PD.The GM side seems willing to acknowledge deviations among their own group.But some seem to consider anyone with babaji after his name to be genuine.All that is being cautioned in the article is that one be discriminating between the pure and impure at Radha Kunda and not a wholesale condemnation as you seem to imply.

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