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  1. Sorry for the off subject posts. Back to Gurukripa's article. I was repulsed by his claim to fame do to the fact that he has been to the last 25 kartiks in a row and yada, yada, yada, hasn't. Shit, I would love to have such facility, but that I do not, am I less a devotee or unworthy because of poverty and he is automaticaly qualified do to oppulence? No! of couse not, but this is the Gurukripa that I knew in Santa cruz early 80's. A puffed up condescending jerk that I wrote off after repeated attempts at befriending, if just on a social level only. The guy couldn't look me in the eye for more than a few seconds at a time, let alone have a lengthy conversation on a subject deeper than weather or football(sorry don't follow any sports, not even car racing). No these idols will always look for ever newer slows to take aderation and distintion from, vampires. So that mood all in the service of Srila Prabhupada is purified, but for himself, he might have to fast talk Lord Yamaraja like anything if he doesn't watch out. You know what they(Iso 12) say about phony gurus. RCB
  2. THAT? That was just recreation, lol. No, No ,No, what I'm talking about.....I can't. RCB
  3. No! do not write him off, but keep perspective. I was just checking motivation and you gave a great answer, LOL. That he is someones cup of tea is surely not my business. But as a KC leader here and now? Please not again, he had his chance and blew it Aren't we all a little crazier than the public knows, LOL? RCB
  4. Is this a fact? How appropriate, lol. I have to happily agree with Theist and who ever else also said follow the heart. This what I have done for 55 out of 60 yrs. Follow the heart and be true to yourself. Ask for the truth, the HOLE truth, and NOTHING but the truth and you will not go wrong. I found the Gita in a book store. Got preminently hooked, then found ISKCON. But they had little effect on me spiritually, that was always between me, Krsna and Guru. RCB
  5. This is good! For Krsna's service Gurukripa's apparent sinful actions are not concidered. But this is not the case in and throughout his life exclusively. And what about his boys that helped? Gurukripa had help! Who were they? let us not forget them and give as much praise. A leader is nothing without followers, he had a good crew too. That Prabhupada focused on Gurukripa does not mean that the crew is do-do. I saw once that Prabhupada said there is no definition of King without no subjects. And yes I agree that that includes me. RCB
  6. Are you just playing the bad guy like you said you enjoyed doing? Or is this idol worship real? A little over the top, wouldn't you say? Or as a laugh, I guess not, LOL. RCB
  7. Wait a minute, how did he become a sinful fault finder? Is it fault finding to say Satvarupa is fallen to sex? Oh, but he did so much service, so all is ok? When did that happen? I suggest a happy medium, for Krsna? Yes! For our selves? NO! Prabhupada used snuf to keep alert during translations sometimes, I have seen as his guard. Did Prabhupada break the rules. NO! It was snuf for Krsna's service, not self pleasure. If Bankok revved Gurukripa's motor in direct service, then have another, maybe two at a time, LOL. But for the self? No, then fallen. Then black. LEC SB 2.9.9 Tokyo 4/25/72 Prabhupāda: Dharmasya hy āpavargyasya nārtho 'rthāyopakalpate. Nārthasya dharmaikāntasya kāmo lābhāya hi smṛtaḥ. Yes. Dharmasya hy āpavargyasya nārtho 'rthāyopakalpate. One should not execute religious principles for getting better financial or material facility. That is not the purpose. But they have taken it purpose. "We have supported this religious community—we must become victorious of our whimsical declaration of war." That Kṛṣṇa supported the Battle of Kurukṣetra, it was not whimsical declaration of war. Before declaring war, Pāṇḍavas, even Kṛṣṇa tried to stop it in so many ways. When Duryodhana clearly said that "Not even that portion of land which can hold the tip of a needle can be given to you without war..." They were, Kṛṣṇa personally requested that "They are kṣatriyas. They cannot take up the work of a brāhmaṇa or a śūdra or a vaiśya. So better you give them five villages only. Let the five brothers rule over them." He replied, "What do You say of five villages? Not that portion of land which can hold the tip of a needle I can give them without war." Therefore the war was declared: "All right. Decide by war." That was not a whimsical war manufactured and maneuvered by the politician. That is dharma-yuddha. When you encroach upon my right, there must be. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam [Īśo mantra 1]. You cannot encroach upon others' right. So the animal killer, they are encroaching upon others' right. These cows and goats, they are also living entities, they have got right to live. When there is absolute necessity, that is a different thing. But you cannot encroach upon their right of living simply to satisfy the taste of your tongue. That is the greatest sin. Similarly illicit sex. One has got wife and he is having illicit sex with other woman, that is, that is crime. "You want to satisfy your sex? All right. You have got legitimate wife.No. I want to satisfy my senses." Therefore illicit sex is sinful. You have got many other foodstuff. Why should you satisfy your senses by killing some other right of living? Therefore it is... Why it is sinful anyone can understand. Just like if I have no money, that does not mean to secure money I shall take your money. Then I am thief. You cannot say, "Oh, I have no money. This man has got so much money. Therefore I have taken some money." Will the court excuse you? Even if you have no food, you cannot encroach upon other's right unless you are sanctioned. Therefore according to Vedic system, the meat-eater is given chance by sacrificing an animal before some demigod. Not free slaughterhouse. No. That you cannot do. Undergoing that process, someday he will come to his senses that "Meat-eating and killing of animal is not good." Because there are so many mantras. If you understand mantras, the mantra, when a goat is sacrificed before Goddess Kālī, before the goat being cut by his throat, the priest says that "Because you are sacrificing your life before Goddess Kālī, next life you are going to have human form of body for your, this sacrifice." Otherwise you have to undergo the process. That is gradual evolutionary process. But because you are forced somehow or other in the presence of mother material energy, she will give you the facility to promote immediately to the human form of life. And as human being, you will have every right to kill this man who is killing you. That is meaning of māṁsa. Mām means me, sa means he. "He will also eat me." So I will have to take the form of a goat next life. And he will take the form of a human being and he will get the chance of killing me. He can excuse, but he will get the chance. This is the bandhana. Karma-bandhana. So after hearing all these mantras, if one takes the risk of eating meat, let him do that. But who is that sane man who will take this risk? This is the meaning of sacrifice. Not that it is a slaughterhouse substitute. No. They will understand that what kind of risk they are going to take by killing the animal under the name of sacrifice. Another thing is that to sacrifice the goat before the demigod Kālī means it is restricted. Because the prescription is that one can sacrifice a goat before Goddess Kālī on the dark moon night, amāvasyā. That is once in a month. So even the śāstra gives him the facility, the facility is restricted. As much as marriage. What is the difference between married sex and without wife? Restricted. You restrict to one woman. You don't spoil many women and get syphilis disease. You see? This is restricted. Restricted to one man, restricted to one woman, restricted once in a month. So actually whenever there is sanction in the śāstra, that is not encouraging. That is restriction. So one cannot give this evidence, "Oh, your Vedas say this is sanctioned." But that sanction is restriction. Loke vyavāyāmiṣa-madya-sevā nityā hi jantor na hi tatra codanā. The śāstra is not encouraging. Because there is no need of encouraging. It is already known to him. Why the śāstra encourage? This is not encouragement. This is restriction. The same example can be given. Just like when government opens liquor shop it is not encouragement. It is restriction. You cannot have liquor manufactured by yourself anywhere, everywhere; otherwise it will increase more and more. So you have to pay heavy tax and purchase. And there are so many other rules and regulations. So this is restriction. When there is liquor shop licensed by the government, it does not mean it is encouragement. At least that is the philosophy. It is restriction. So all these facilities given sometimes in the śāstras or by the government for drinking or for intoxication or for sex or for gambling, that is restricted. Gambling, kṣatriyas, they can gamble. They must have the sporting spirit. Otherwise when they are defeated they will succumb to death. So they have to... The gambling, I lose one hundred thousand dollars, "Never mind. It is sporting." Otherwise I will succumb to death. I have been... What? That is being done in gambling clubs. But if you do it in a sporting habit, then "Never mind. I gain or lose, it is nothing." That's all. Kṣatriyas are allowed because when they fight they will have to gain or to lose. But if they lose, if they become succumbed, then it will be very difficult for them. They are allowed to hunt. If they cannot kill, then how can they rule over the criminals? The kṣatriya king, "Oh, he is a criminal"? Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja. Such a Vaiṣṇava king. As soon as he saw somebody is trying to kill a cow, immediately took his sword: "What nonsense you are doing? Immediately I shall kill you." A kṣatriya must be spirited. Immediately cut off. Even in England, that was the practice. They used to practice dummy men cut head. The king must be like there. Sudāmā: Here also. Here also there was a class of men called samurai, and they carried long sword and short sword. And they had certain rules for fighting. They would never fight a man unless he was equally matched. And if he lost, then he must take... If I lose the battle then I must take the short sword and kill myself for shame, for dishonor. Prabhupāda: Not only that, when Kṛṣṇa was fighting with Rukmiṇī's brother, he lost his chariot. So, and Rukmiṇī took the sword. So Kṛṣṇa also throw His bow and arrows. He also took the sword. Not that "I shall possess better weapons to kill you." No. Equal. Equal terms. "If you have no sword, I will give you a sword." Yes. "Take this sword. I take another." That is kṣatriya spirit. Sporting. So for kṣatriya, this animal killing, this, which is abominable, but they require. Devotee: Intoxication too? Prabhupāda: Intoxication also. Just like Balarama, He was drinking madhu. Yes. You have not seen it? He was also enjoying in the company of women. Because He is kṣatriya. The kṣatriyas are allowed polygamy, drinking, intoxication, because they are king. They must have facility. At the same time they are ruling over the country. They take consulting great sages, saintly persons. And if he is not in order, these saintly persons would dethrone him. Pṛthu Mahārāja's father was killed, Veṇa. He was not according to the system. He was killed. Pradyumna: I don't understand how sometimes we..., how the intoxication of some type of wine would go along with the ruling of a country. Prabhupāda: Well, for rulers is a pleasure. They must have some pleasure. Just like ordinary men, they drink with woman, dancing, it is a recreation. So this is material recreation, to be little intoxicated and several nice young girls around. That gives him some encouragement. You see? They have to take so much risk, so much responsibility. For recreation they require it. They should be given little facility. Devotee: Can they still make spiritual advancement? Prabhupāda: Well, spiritual advancement is going on. They are taking advice from great saintly persons, they are observing, they are performing big sacrifices, spending money, treasury. That is their spiritual advancement. You are satisfying Kṛṣṇa in spite of... All these devatās, the demigods, they also enjoy. In higher planetary system, like Indra, he is prostitute hunter number one, Indra. (laughter) But he is a great devotee at the same time. Pradyumna: But he is still in material world. Prabhupāda: Yes. This is material. So those who are going to directly to transfer to the spiritual world, for them all these things are prohibited. But those who want to remain here, at the same time they have got some particular duty, these are also. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu says those who are preparing bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasya niṣkiñcanasya, they must give up all these things. They should be niṣkiñcana.(END) RCB
  8. I have to agree with you a bit here. But then he is inconcequential to me. They all were! In fact I never could understand what the hubbub was about, these cheaters were as transparent then as they are now. He was never in my life and I was never a groupie of anyone. A good kirtan was just that, a good kirtan and I was happy to be part of it. Devotees forget to easily that in a kirtan there are also the followers and if they are not concidered part then how did the kirtan get to be so good? EVERYONE participated! Kirtan is a group effort. RCB
  9. But done is done. That's the point. If done purely in conection to Krsna, then there is no adharma. Don't through Krsna's babies out with bath water. RCB
  10. There is a nice example of the devotee that was giving Lord Caitanya a massage. In order to serve both sides of the Lord's body the devotee steps over the lord! Then when finished he steps back. In the mean time lunch prasadam has come, but the Lord is in the doorway and blocking entrance. The devotee waits until the Lord awakens. When ask by Lord Caitanya, that the devotee stepped over the Lord to give service but not for lunch, why. The devotee says for the Lord anything, for myself all rules and regulations. RCB
  11. Although I'm a known Rocker, I grew up with a combo of country, Bach, big band and Evis! But Johnny is the real King!!! Just love the KC conection here. RCB
  12. I can't find the letter now but I have seen this and it is true! My old folio died along with my broken hard drive, LOL. RCB
  13. Again the word reform comes to mind, if they did not reform then the mercy is recinded. Prabhupada said that in a private letter. Not in an open class, nor in a open conversation with His disciples, and absolutly not in any books. So now you want to again make a comparison of apples to oranges for the benifit of homos and low class, charlitan so-called gurus. RCB
  14. Not the approach, which is explained by Prabhupada as OK. It was the practisioners. RCB
  15. And that's the rub, Kula speaks pure poison on this subject. RCB
  16. Are you on a merrily-go-around? I quoted you, but didn't jump on with you! That he is guru to homo's is a foregone conclusions. Srila Prabhupada condemed homosex, but accepted REFORMED fags/persons as desciples. the opperative word here is reformed. Not that they were fallen and Prabhupada them gave 'marrage' sanction! And to compare all gurus as one in qualification is nuts. Just like when Nanda Maharaja had a big fire sacrifice he did not invite the lesser qualified brahmans, though they too were brahmanins. RCB
  17. Prabhupāda: Devotees is... I have already explained. We are all devotees. Past condition, we are all devotees. We are not, we do not belong to this varṇāśrama. I have already told you. Suppose I am mopping. So that does not mean I am mopper. But I am teaching how to mop. This is our position. Parivrājakācārya: So the students, also, they must all be devotees. Prabhupāda: Yes. Devotees are... That is our life and soul. Satsvarūpa: And the idea is that after they've finished their schooling, they would take part in ISKCON, preaching in some way as vaiśya or... Prabhupāda: Yes. This preaching is also required, to make the groundwork. Because nobody's taking care. Just like some of the devotees, great devotees, they took the profession of becoming thief. They, in South India, it was done so. They took the profession of becoming thief. So a devotee is a thief? But he took. They took it. Because nobody was paying. So they organized a plundering party. "Plunder all these big men." Just like the politicians do. There is history. Yes. So even up to the point to become a thief, devotees took it. Yes. And the gopīs, even up to the point of becoming prostitute—for Kṛṣṇa. So for Kṛṣṇa's sake we have to accept any nonsense type of business. Or on the highest grade. Anything. But for Kṛṣṇa we have to do that. Hṛdayānanda: So, Prabhupāda, in our temples, we have so many devotees. Should the devotees...? Prabhupāda: They should be engaged. Hṛdayānanda: Should they be trained in a particular...? Prabhupāda: Yes. Those who are not able to preach or to do other things, they must go to the plough department, agriculture. Hṛdayānanda: Those who cannot preach. Prabhupāda: Yes. Those who are less educated, not very much expert in preaching, they must be acting as kṣatriya or vaiśya, or as śūdra. Hṛdayānanda: And sometimes... Prabhupāda: :Not he's śūdra. Always remember that. But he has to act to fulfill the, fill up the gap. Proxy.
  18. OH MY GOD! Have you not searched homosex on the folio? Have you not read these results? Please show homosex minimaztion, as to be not so important a concideration. No not there! I have seen and so have others that Prabhupada even periodically had a hard time referenceing the subject. No problem with it? RCB
  19. Prabhupada said homosex is OUTSIDE of DVD, untouchables. But WHO IS SAYING an untouchable can not practice devotion as best as posible?????? In you mind only. RCB
  20. Different times, places and circumstances. Neither is (he) even a guru! let alone to be put in any way or form on the same level as comparable Srila Prabhupada's action? That you would in the same breath compare the two makes me vomit!!!!! RCB
  21. We know what Srila prabhupada says on the matter. I personally do not care if someone disagrees with that. I have to take the conclusions Prabhupada took. Homosex is outside of the four varnas and there by untouchable. Just like the cobbler. Yes, Yes, what ever you say is good for you. I go with Prabhupada and we do not need to take any more lazies or crazy in the name of doing the best with a bad bargan as Srila Prabhupada abviously had to do and willingly did. Time to grow! We aren't Prabhupada and it is not 1965/66 in the village. RCB
  22. With military law at least there is symbolence of law, in martial law there no law. Save and except at the buisness end of a weapon. Yes, I'm also ex-military and would chose them over martial law any day. RCB
  23. What a trickster, LOL, then yes, you would be right in that context. RCB
  24. Have any of you ever LIVED under martial law? I have for almost a yr, if it happens here it will not be a joke. I remember a passage in the SB or no maybe a purport I think, that Prabhupada says the ksatriyas and brahmanas will hide from the government in caves to escape the turmoil caused by them in this age. RCB
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