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Great to see Audarya Fellowship is active for posting again. Thanks. Hare Krsna RCB

I have seen Prabhupada's svarupa and it is a secret only Prabhupada should tell you. Then you will also keep it secret! If they tell, know them to be dishonest. If you have to ask, your not ready for the answer. RCB

Very well said! RCB

Could the ksatriya be inquisitive? Was this from Prabhupada or a predecessor acaraya? RCB

I don't know, looks like a lot of warm air for such a simple agreement with your admission in a previous post. Pretty sure you said 'due to my latent envy' Good self assesment, you would know! I agree. RCB

Two good quotes on two different subjects! RCB

Nice quotes Kula! RCB

This has to be one of the most disturbing things I ever seen! Reminds me of Hendrix's face supper imposed over Lord Visnu on an album cover. Was that 70'? I do not vote for non devotees, nor unqualified ones that run for office. No didn't vote for the new talking head. Did you see that photo on the cover of Vogue magazine stating that Michele was the first lady amerika was waiting for? She gave the sign of the devil with her left hand, just like Bush did for 8 yrs! New boss, is the old boss. Disturbing picture! RCB

Hare Krsna Theist Yeah, I get your point now. Well made. I admit, I read to fast with my one(DVD) purpose in mind. Which comes from MY supersoul, to thy own heart be true. Is there an applicable example that brought this to you mind at this time? Thanks Andy108(why have I called you adam? Duh)you read me like a book at times. Hare Krsna, RCB

Thanks AncientMariner, RCB

They will always be small men inside. That is OK if they stay out of the way of movers and shakers. I'm ready for many years, but their free will has it's own way. They are not even up to the level to take the heat my monkey sons get, let alone to follow actual dedication in the samkirtan movement. It's all a joke to them! Not me! Not you! RCB

Yes you are envious. You are saying they are guru not me. One can fall from a high place. One can raise to a higher place. But no yoyoing back and forth. Guna and karma can been observed. No one can just make a thing up. Ksatriya is the over seer of all varnas and asramas. But does not govern the brahmans. I will insult these IS-A-CON cheaters again and again. That is MY varna's job. To really address you is just a waste of time but hell I have all knight. You make so much up. Prabhupada initiated reformed people that latter fell, how you can not understand this I do not know. You bog down the converstion with so much debris it is like clogging a streams flow. You will never know anything of Prabhupada why are you here? To make a bigger ego for your self diluted mind I think. RCB

I've lost nothing, everything is as it always should have been. The good, the bad, the ugly. It's all part of the training! No loss, nor diminution. I'm in the right place, at the right time, doing exactly what I should be. To me I take it all serious, not as a joke. I feel that you are minimizing the effort I put toward preaching to devotees as if it was just a 'joke'. Not to me! RCB

Yes other languages, but not re-editing the original books, like a constantly changing Christian bible. I think there will always be those brahman/ksatriya that will keep the original english in vogue. The lower class might lose it. Starting with Ebonics and the like. But not the leaders. Or what good are they? I think no change will be a symptom of DVD institution too. What happened from before, is past. I was told to never change what Prabhupada gave. RCB

ISKCON is in the heart of Guru and compliant disciples. Not a bunch of corrporate paper following miscreants. RCB

We will have as much a chance at unchanged, as we have the gonads to DO like that. You have no chance! Weak a$$ sudra talk. Always quiting as soon as a little effort comes your way. Typical. RCB I still have my first BG that I bought in a hippy book store in West Palm Beach in 74' and an unchanged set of SB, CC, NOD, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, KB(all 1st ED) I collected before the passing of Srila Prabhupada. I will pass them along as historic heirlooms. If you have changed books, that is what you will pass on to the next generation. A different thing. I will try in this body till death, you have already quit! Hare Krsna RCB

This is not the full conclusion of Srila Prabhupada, so I will please take to Him only and not you, do not mind it. We still need to concider that an actual pure devotee is rare, the term 'Vaisnava' is cheaply bantered about as if it applies to all of us as equal to the uttama devotee. That we are madhyam and kanishta proves conditioning and motivation, not purity. So for management in society we must still divide as Prabhupada said to do. But still maintaning edicate balance treating one and all as on the at least begining stages of transendental understanding. That is for the followers of Prabhupada. RCB

I have to not agree with this. If it is so then the DVD paradigum would be incorrect. Srila Prabhupada has said that the person in ignorance(sudra) gets everything that the brahman gets. Because all are to be concidered transendental and not of these varnas or asramas. But just acting out for the sake of guna and karma that the devotee is by nature incline to. But if your speaking about the blade of grass in Vaikuntha as compared to the madhurya lila in Goloka then yes we will miss the highest essence (I'm probably on his ignore list, LOL) Hare Krsna RCB

Hidden? NO, suppressed. I've always been here, day one. How do you know I'm not the leader? Did Srila Prabhupada's Godbrother's neglect of Him stop progress in His life? Follow as you like, does not interfear with my progressive training by action and experience. Through my ever pressent Guru. RCB

Here we go again! ISKCON history is full of I, me, mine, the instructions were always good. The baby is clean, a bath is useless. Srila Prabhupada put in place many changes that were never followed. YES, I agree to blame the devotees and not the Guru. The failure is yours, you followed the a$$holes, not me. I fought them from day one to institute DVD! You followed like sheeple. In real life I would not trust you with my life/to cover my back. You and your demon-crazy vote will do more harm tham good in the short run. In the long run ISKCON as a movement of Srila Prabhupada's invention will disappear utterly and compleatly. Oh that's right already there! So now you go have monkey vote and you do what they say. Me? never!! I follow brahmans! This DOM is another example of your infantile understanding of my Guru's attempt at governing brahmans. Vote was given to brahmans, to put to rest a take over/coup attempt. DVD was to be undertaken again for over all renovation of stated failures to partisipate honestly from the constituency. Purfect material/spiritual management. I have also seen Prabhupada say if you make it right there will be no problem. You are not a ksatriya! You can't make it right, doesn't mean I can't. Hare Krsna, RCB

In case you haven't noticed from past conversations on this type of subject, you have proven not to be qualified to make those possible alterations/ajustments(the real ajustment, is no more tolerating out of varna schleppies, so much will just fall into place after that) do to previously/pressent, misconsquewed conceptions. You applying change would be like giving the keys of a Ferrari to a 3 yr old. First reconcil anything for Krsna, then come back for the next lesson. You have voiced your partcial support for the pressent paradigum, guru club, ISKCON appointed by no objection vote. Give you keys? Ha! I know there is some one of them you have in the past given verbal support. You name them! Reject all of them as rascals and I would stand corrected. Adam108 handed you your butt and your standing there with poop on you. Hare Krsna, RCB

Best to simply take instruction from a highly qualified Guru, like Srila Prabhupada. I just love this all inclusive verse! SB. 8.2.30.... Thereafter, because of being pulled into the water and fighting for many long years, the elephant became diminished in his mental, physical and sensual strength. The crocodile, on the contrary, being an animal of the water, increased in enthusiasm, physical strength and sensual power. PURPORT In the fighting between the elephant and the crocodile, the difference was that although the elephant was extremely powerful, he was in a foreign place, in the water. During one thousand years of fighting, he could not get any food, and under the circumstances his bodily strength diminished, and because his bodily strength diminished, his mind also became weak and his senses less powerful. The crocodile, however, being an animal of the water, had no difficulties. He was getting food and was therefore getting mental strength and sensual encouragement. Thus while the elephant became reduced in strength, the crocodile became more and more powerful. Now, from this we may take the lesson that in our fight with māyā we should not be in a position in which our strength, enthusiasm and senses will be unable to fight vigorously. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has actually declared war against the illusory energy, in which all the living entities are rotting in a false understanding of civilization. The soldiers in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement must always possess physical strength, enthusiasm and sensual power. To keep themselves fit, they must therefore place themselves in a normal condition of life. What constitutes a normal condition will not be the same for everyone, and therefore there are divisions of varṇāśrama—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, it is advised that no one take sannyāsa. aśvamedhaṁ gavālambhaṁ sannyāsaṁ pala-paitṛkam devareṇa sutotpattiṁ kalau pañca vivarjayet </I>[Cc. </B>Ādi</B> </I>17.164</I>]</I> (Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa) From this we can understand that in this age the sannyāsa-āśrama is forbidden because people are not strong. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu showed us an example in taking sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four years, but even Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya advised Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to be extremely careful because He had taken sannyāsa at an early age. For preaching we give young boys sannyāsa, but actually it is being experienced that they are not fit for sannyāsa. There is no harm, however, if one thinks that he is unfit for sannyāsa; if he is very much agitated sexually, he should go to the āśrama where sex is allowed, namely the gṛhastha-āśrama. That one has been found to be very weak in one place does not mean that he should stop fighting the crocodile of māyā. One should take shelter of the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, as we shall see Gajendra do, and at the same time one can be a gṛhastha if he is satisfied with sexual indulgence. There is no need to give up the fight. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore recommended, sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vān-manobhiḥ. One may stay in whichever āśrama is suitable for him; it is not essential that one take sannyāsa. If one is sexually agitated, he can enter the gṛhastha-āśrama. But one must continue fighting. For one who is not in a transcendental position, to take sannyāsa artificially is not a very great credit. If sannyāsa is not suitable, one may enter the gṛhastha-āśrama and fight māyā with great strength. But one should not give up the fighting and go away.(END) RCB

TO Kaisersosa (Oh, I get it on the name. What was the name of that movie, The Usual Suspects? So your not whom you propose to be then? Yes? A shrill?) You next time read the books! Ignore the rest that claim different. On the other hand you may need a guide to show you the way around the incongruent obsticles that appear to the novice. But then why would Kaiser Sosay need anything? He is the fully equipted, quiescential bad guy! SB. 8.2.30..... Thereafter, because of being pulled into the water and fighting for many long years, the elephant became diminished in his mental, physical and sensual strength. The crocodile, on the contrary, being an animal of the water, increased in enthusiasm, physical strength and sensual power. PURPORT In the fighting between the elephant and the crocodile, the difference was that although the elephant was extremely powerful, he was in a foreign place, in the water. During one thousand years of fighting, he could not get any food, and under the circumstances his bodily strength diminished, and because his bodily strength diminished, his mind also became weak and his senses less powerful. The crocodile, however, being an animal of the water, had no difficulties. He was getting food and was therefore getting mental strength and sensual encouragement. Thus while the elephant became reduced in strength, the crocodile became more and more powerful. Now, from this we may take the lesson that in our fight with māyā we should not be in a position in which our strength, enthusiasm and senses will be unable to fight vigorously. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has actually declared war against the illusory energy, in which all the living entities are rotting in a false understanding of civilization. The soldiers in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement must always possess physical strength, enthusiasm and sensual power. To keep themselves fit, they must therefore place themselves in a normal condition of life. What constitutes a normal condition will not be the same for everyone, and therefore there are divisions of varṇāśrama—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, it is advised that no one take sannyāsa. aśvamedhaṁ gavālambhaṁ sannyāsaṁ pala-paitṛkam devareṇa sutotpattiṁ kalau pañca vivarjayet </I>[Cc. </B>Ādi</B> </I>17.164</I>]</I> (Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa) From this we can understand that in this age the sannyāsa-āśrama is forbidden because people are not strong. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu showed us an example in taking sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four years, but even Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya advised Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to be extremely careful because He had taken sannyāsa at an early age. For preaching we give young boys sannyāsa, but actually it is being experienced that they are not fit for sannyāsa. There is no harm, however, if one thinks that he is unfit for sannyāsa; if he is very much agitated sexually, he should go to the āśrama where sex is allowed, namely the gṛhastha-āśrama. That one has been found to be very weak in one place does not mean that he should stop fighting the crocodile of māyā. One should take shelter of the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, as we shall see Gajendra do, and at the same time one can be a gṛhastha if he is satisfied with sexual indulgence. There is no need to give up the fight. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore recommended, sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vān-manobhiḥ. One may stay in whichever āśrama is suitable for him; it is not essential that one take sannyāsa. If one is sexually agitated, he can enter the gṛhastha-āśrama. But one must continue fighting. For one who is not in a transcendental position, to take sannyāsa artificially is not a very great credit. If sannyāsa is not suitable, one may enter the gṛhastha-āśrama and fight māyā with great strength. But one should not give up the fighting and go away.

As far as the followers of Srila Prabhupada are told, they are to place themselve in a normal condition of life(DVD) and work dilligently for Krsna. The rest is made up and not completely in line with Prabhupada on the subject of brahman. Four varnas and four asramas is the right conclusion. Hare Krsna RCB

Yes, 'real' meaning by guna and karma, not birth only! That has some effect. But if it was perfect we would not have a commonly used terminology for failure to imbide the guna and karma of high class father, in the nomenclature of 'dvija-bandu' That's the fall down that has lead to India's previous distruction and keeps Her a laughing stock today. By birth gotra. India is our glorious Mother, why have they slaughtered Her with a by birth caste system? Hare Krsna, RCB