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  1. There is no such thing as brahman by birth. Always by quality ownly. To be born in a family of brahmanas is also a big question. I have read Srila Prabhupada questioning the validity of family gotra because guna and karma could not be truthfully assertained. So first let us 'see' the guna and karma of brahmana, then we will talk of the sons birth. Taking for granted that the son's birth is in fact in a brahman family, then we still have to see that he has embodied the same satva guna qualities. If he has? Then I can agree to not take off the old thead. But for useless tradition we do not care. It can only be by guna and karma that one is a brahman. Not by birth in any stage of the game. Even if the game has been going on for three thousand yrs Hare Krsna RCB
  2. I like it! I my not argee with the application, but the generality is good. RCB RCB
  3. That I'm not vaisnava does not mean that I can't make discrimination according to scripture. I think you are more than Sats any day! I've talked to both of you. You get my vote, he gets the moat. I say kill them all and let Krsna sort it out! LOL(thats a joke Vern) Hare Krsna RCB
  4. Our spiritual master has said that India is suffering because of the on set of Kali yuga. That started with the first fallen brahamna Srigi(?) He cursed the faltless emperor. Then down hill from there, that would include loss of a society based on guna and karma, sanatana dharma. Thereby opening the door to retribution from foreign invaders. Hare Krsna RCB PS. for someone whom posses as a stalwart vedic Indian, I would say you are less Indian. More British by the us of 'cheers' as the british do.
  5. I too think that it is possible that all of the fallen so-called gurus are not devotees at all! But synister men sent to disrupt Srila Prabhupada's movement. Understand? Hare Krsna RCB
  6. No one forces anyone! Sats was bad news bears in 77. I know from personal conversations with him on DVD. . Do not be fooled. RCB
  7. Nothing new here, Vaisnava has always been above the varnas, including brahmana. Thats not us, we are 'aspireing' not yet pure. But the pure Vaisnava is beyond reproach. There in lays the rub. They are not gurus. So your contention is moot. All speculation as to the intimate conclutions of Krsna's desires. No! pretents is just a shadow. Be real! pretents will not take us back to lila. Hare Krsna RCB
  8. 1) I would venture to guess that 'no' they are not brahmanas. 2) Could have been at one time, but not after a fall. That would just cheapen the varna. Oh and they were never gurus in a bonfided ISKCON. Prabhupada is the only guru for ISKCON. 3) Guru and brahman are two different things, mutually exclusive. One does not depend on the other. Second part will have to be answered by Prabhupada. I do not claim to know His mind at the time. But as a father, I would say that the answer is as individual as the people involved. And the over all mission of spreading KC. Things are much bigger than just one generation. The result of an action might take a hundred yrs to manifest. 4a) What? You say they were non. How about at the time of initiation they were following purly, thereby qualified. 4b) Again, What? No you have your speculation on back words. Srila Prabhupada made the best use of a bad bargan, he used as he saw fit those that came to him. Do you think that Prabhupada cherry picked us from the lot? Duh, you said yourself we are just demons/raksasas. So at the time of concideration, they were following the rule and regulations. Fell later. Other gurus do not concern us. Be carful we bite! Hare Krsna RCB
  9. Actually you have never 'seen' any of us in action, that post on this forum. It is just a forum, nothing more. Have a life off the key board. The devotees on this forum did have life in ISKCON, but you are to late(by 30 yrs in some cases) to know them as they were. We are old men now and for the most part were never in agreement with your contentions about IS-A-CON INC anyway. I do not know you! Your just TV to me. As for your claimed culture? Hello!!!! It's not there any more! Wake up!!! I've lived with your people, in India and Pakistan. It's hardly even a perverted reflection of vedic culture, just like pressent day ISKCON INC. What illusion! Read Bhagavad Gita by Srila Prabhupada, then you can see where we come from. If you read outside of the Gaudiya sect then try to impose on us what do you think will be the results? Hare Krsna RCB
  10. I have prerached to muslims, pathans in the Kyber/NWFP in fact. Had no problem. lived with them for almost a yr. I have preached the same conclusions of DVD in the deep south to blacks, also with no problems. Your a shrill that is not here to hear. Did you also know that we do not chant 100k names a day, but only 25k. If you need help to find fault, just ask. No one here is asking you to join! So how my Guru conducts his mission is not of your concern. Kind of like a barking dog whom is not part of the caravan. Hare Krsna RCB
  11. First off where are your translations from? And an ISKCON officially approved anything means nothing on the street, just in the cult! What does anyone know about varna? Or vedic? What ever he has received from his guru! That is considering he has no excess baggage from his previous life. In this regard I do not! Most that actually accept Prabhupada are of various inclinations, hence varna and asrama division. We have as followers of Srila Prabhupada received definitions and explanation that he take as vedic scriptures. This is as much as we know. Prabhupada has said that we should divide the society into varna and asrama, four + four, the society of 8. Prabhupada has given the definition of those divisions. One of those varnas is sudra, but he is never to be considered like a mundane sudra. He is Vaisnava first and foremost! Everything he will get! If he follows the rules and regulations of his varna, that includes samskaras. Prabhupada said previously the thinking was that only brahmana could get perfection. With the Daivi Varnasrama Dharma division and execution, ALL varnas are spiritually equal. This is Srila Prabhupada's declaration for ISKCON, you do as you like. Once it is determined that a person is a particular varna he should be left to his work with no other encumbrance from the other varnas to forcibly improve. It can not be done, not by force. Why bother, just for your own ego? Leave him to him work for Krsna. We are Vaisnavas that perform our work in varna and asrama general divisions, with Krsna as central recipient. As explained in Bhagavad Gita, Who gives a ... who is in what varna? Just outsiders!!!! Prabhupada told us that do to the rejection of the sudra class in India, those rejected then sought shelter in Islam, people like you drove them away. As far as sudras studying scriptures? Hell, yes as much as he is capable, this is the Kali yuga, we are not here to follow perfect varna and asrama as applies to the Satya yuga. No, only as explained by our Guru! What ever the previous acaryas have written is amalgamated in the over all works of Srila Prabhupada. Delivering to us a completed plan for a house that the whole 10k yr golden age can live in. His complete vani constitutes, what I like to think, as the last word on of the consummate purport on all the predecessor acaryas. But that is me and mine, you do as you like, our sudra's will be literate for the purpose of reading the books of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Get the pure purports, trust no imitation explanations. Read the books. Hare Krsna RCB
  12. He introduced me to Krsna and I have seen Him face to face. Good enough for me! Judge by the result! What do I care about tradition? Nothing! What do I know about tradition? Nothing! I know what my Guru has said. He did not give any disciple authority to initiate inside of ISKCON. Bas! If they do? Cheater! Hare Krsna RCB
  13. This cheater in the dress of guru isn't an empowered acarya and there by he can not make policy that comes directly from Krsna. He must stay in line with his Guru, he is not guru himself. Never was and no amount of dummy followers will change that. RCB
  14. Yes, Prahlada was aloud to take birth. Then the devas could kill him. But again we are talking very exhaulted personallities making the discision to kill. Not common men. RCB
  15. Narada Muni expedited many things that in the quick glance could have been deamed/seen negativly. Srila Prabhupada also spoke as if nuclear war it was a sure thing. But that it could change, it hasn't. I say like that because I thought we would have avoided this proposed inevitability by the spread of the Krsna conscious movement. So maybe the next stage of world wide spiritual growth has to be built from ashes like a phoenix that rises. I do not wish for it, but seems to be the enevitable conclution. RCB
  16. It is stupid and unethical to trunckate anyone's karma by the very unqualified. I've never read of anyone being qualified to decside about abortion. If you look at what Srila Prabhupada says on the subject, then how to argue against? That Vidura told Dhrtarastra to kill Duryodana is prime example of the right course of action. The child was born, karma was asertained, future was distruction of the royal family, kill it now. Instruction from the saintly person though. That was for the top most santly person to say, not your opinion or mine, which is like other parts of the body that we all poscess. And has no bases in shastra. Vidura's conclutions are not like common mans opinions. You do not have any right to abort a child in the womb because of rape. His karma is to come to a body created out of rape. That is now you business? It is his karma and the mother. That's like a woman saying she has self determination on how her body is to be used, but sex is for procreation and not recreation. If there is sex and pregnancy, then she has to have the child or be culpible for the karma of abortion. I'm not condoning rape, but now a body is created it has to be born. That is the rules, no killing womb babies. Hare Krsna, RCB
  17. WWIII begain on 9/11/01, Bush said world war on terror. Just like WWII for amerika begain on 12/7/41. That the culmination of WWIII is nuclear exchange is a for gone conclution. So how would you stop or curtail this seamingly enevitable out come? Or expedite it? RCB
  18. Good points, Krsna! your so patient. I'm looking for a stick!!! LOL. RCB
  19. So then your saying it would be ok to abort under a condition? Say like rape? RCB
  20. I know your kidding, I'm a little frivolous tonight too. I was hopeing for Daivi-Varnasrama-Dharma at least in a small start of a way, some way, any way. But no one can 'DO' it alone. Varna and asrama are one thing, but to come together in a dedicated/coopertive way, that's the 'rino' I'm hunting!! For 36 yrs! I guess it will be next life, oh well, lol. I tried and got some purified, so next time i will hit it in stride. "I'll be back" Hare Krsna, RCB
  21. It's the dance! There's gold in them thar hills! Chant Hare Krsna, experience all the thrills. All glories to Lord Varahadev RCB Ps. I read in some purport that the earth could move out of orbit do to oil exploitation, found it!....globle/earth/climate changes anyone? SB. 2.7.1 Lord Brahmā said: When the unlimitedly powerful Lord assumed the form of a boar as a pastime, just to lift the planet earth, which was drowned in the great ocean of the universe called the Garbhodaka, the first demon [Hiraṇyākṣa] appeared, and the Lord pierced him with His tusk. PURPORT Since the beginning of creation, the demons and the demigods, or the Vaiṣṇavas, are always the two classes of living beings to dominate the planets of the universes. Lord Brahmā is the first demigod, and Hiraṇyākṣa is the first demon in this universe. Only under certain conditions do the planets float as weightless balls in the air, and as soon as these conditions are disturbed, the planets may fall down in the Garbhodaka Ocean, which covers half the universe. The other half is the spherical dome within which the innumerable planetary systems exist. The floating of the planets in the weightless air is due to the inner constitution of the globes, and the modernized drilling of the earth to exploit oil from within is a sort of disturbance by the modern demons and can result in a greatly harmful reaction to the floating condition of the earth. A similar disturbance was created formerly by the demons headed by Hiraṇyākṣa (the great exploiter of the gold rush), and the earth was detached from its weightless condition and fell down into the Garbhodaka Ocean. The Lord, as maintainer of the whole creation of the material world, therefore assumed the gigantic form of a boar with a proportionate snout and picked up the earth from within the water of Garbhodaka. Śrī Jayadeva Gosvāmī, the great Vaiṣṇava poet, sang as follows: vasati daśana-śikhare dharaṇī tava lagnā śaśini kalaṅka-kaleva nimagnā keśava dhṛta-śūkara-rūpa jaya jagadīśa hare "O Keśava! O Supreme Lord who have assumed the form of a boar! O Lord! The planet earth rested on Your tusks, and it appeared like the moon engraved with spots." Such is the symptom of an incarnation of the Lord. The incarnation of the Lord is not the concocted idea of fanciful men who create an incarnation out of imagination. The incarnation of the Lord appears under certain extraordinary circumstances like the above-mentioned occasion, and the incarnation performs a task which is not even imaginable by the tiny brain of mankind. The modern creators of the many cheap incarnations may take note of the factual incarnation of God as the gigantic boar with a suitable snout to carry the planet earth. When the Lord appeared to pick up the earth, the demon of the name Hiraṇyākṣa tried to create a disturbance in the methodical functions of the Lord, and therefore he was killed by being pierced by the Lord's tusk. According to Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī, the demon Hiraṇyākṣa was killed by the hand of the Lord. Therefore his version is that after being killed by the hand of the Lord, the demon was pierced by the tusk. Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura confirms this version.
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